Comparing the Septuagint and Masoretic Using Mark 12-16

This video continues this series on the Septuagint by going through the New Testament and learning if the New Testament writers used today's Masoretic or today's Septuagint in their quotations from the Old Testament.
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  • @digitalsublime
    @digitalsublime2 жыл бұрын

    I see a video from you I click right away! 💪🏼👍🏼☦

  • @Derry_A_Deryni
    @Derry_A_Deryni2 жыл бұрын

    if I wasn't dead to having a job by the world, I hate this life, I'd so be supporting you with more than comments & thumbs, sadly, I've become a hitch hiker on yt.

  • @theespjames4114

    @theespjames4114

    2 жыл бұрын

    You’re not alone bro

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the cool and kind comment! Yeah, life requires us to be responsible with jobs and stuff. The best thing you can do is to be praying for me, that God will give me the time and energy to work on more videos... in between all my other responsibilities. God bless you!

  • @asaphhere
    @asaphhere2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for this awesome video. God bless you brother 🙏🏾

  • @jamesrobertson2460
    @jamesrobertson2460 Жыл бұрын

    THIS SERIES IS FABULOUS and proves the TRUTH that the Church Councils of the 4th century that determined the Canon were correct!

  • @jessemathew1947
    @jessemathew1947 Жыл бұрын

    thanks for doing this brother. this is incredibly helpful

  • @suiko2fan2
    @suiko2fan22 жыл бұрын

    Been missing these videos!

  • @williamgrant9167
    @williamgrant91672 жыл бұрын

    God is good!! 🙏❤️🙂

  • @ggesman7811
    @ggesman78112 жыл бұрын

    Happy belated Septuagint Day! :-) Wonderful wonderful work. So excited you are doing this very cool endeavor. God bless you greatly.

  • @HebronprayerhousePalakol
    @HebronprayerhousePalakol2 жыл бұрын

    Praise the LORD brother, I am so glad that ur doing this ministry by telling us those early Christian things...... I really love it, but brother I had a request.... please do some videos on Monastists and novaltists and some things you told jn your very first video in this channel. MAY GOD BLESS YOU ABUNDANTLY

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for commenting and for your encouragement. I have briefly talked about the Montanists and Novatianists in other videos. I might refer to them in future videos, but I do not plan on making videos on the groups themselves. God bless you too!

  • @beulahophir8797

    @beulahophir8797

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@PostApostolicChurch Brother Make a New video, I am waiting so eagerly for ur new videos

  • @wangmary888
    @wangmary888 Жыл бұрын

    At 4:23, it should be Mark 12:36. Keep your good work! Learn much from you!

  • @theespjames4114
    @theespjames41142 жыл бұрын

    I just got my Samaritan Pentateuch. The translators claim there are 6000 variance between the Samaritan Pentateuch and the Masoretic text and 2000 variance between the Samaritan Pentateuch and the Septuagint.

  • @R9500pro1

    @R9500pro1

    Жыл бұрын

    What edition did you get?

  • @theespjames4114

    @theespjames4114

    Жыл бұрын

    @@R9500pro1 “ Israelite Samaritan version of the Torah “ First English translation compared with the Masoretic version. Published 2013 Benjamin Tsedaka and Sharon Sullivan translators

  • @ReegyDee
    @ReegyDee Жыл бұрын

    I hope you're well mate 🙂👍

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for checking in! I'm doing very well. But sadly, it has still be hard to find the time to research and make more videos. I'm trying to find that time. God bless you!!

  • @ReegyDee

    @ReegyDee

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@PostApostolicChurchI just watched your new video and then found your reply 😄 awesome to hear what you had to say. Blessings etc 😁

  • @ericmacrae6871

    @ericmacrae6871

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@ReegyDeeI was just wondering about this thanks for asking the question!

  • @XxSPOPxX
    @XxSPOPxX2 жыл бұрын

    What translation of the Bible do you use for study (not general reading)? For the longest time I used the KJV and while I do love the poetic translation I moved to the DR Bible which has the Deuterocanonical books; however, most English Bibles including the DR use the Masoretic Texts primarily for their OT. Would you recommend continuing to use these versions or read a blend of Brenton’s Translation along with these older translations? Thank you and great work on your content

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    2 жыл бұрын

    Great questions! I believe the best answer is to add as many translations that are helpful to you. Here is my personal list of translations that help me. HCSB (my personal favorite; it is now called the CSB) ASV (most literal) Brenton's (best Septuagint) NLT (best balance of dynamic and accurate) OSB (Septuagint, Deuterocanon, and New Testament all-in-one)

  • @kingdomtreasures888
    @kingdomtreasures8882 жыл бұрын

    😊🙏

  • @ready1fire1aim1
    @ready1fire1aim1 Жыл бұрын

    Is gematria different in Samaritan Pentateuch/Torah?

  • @ggesman7811
    @ggesman78112 жыл бұрын

    Would it be possible at the end of each book to show a final tally for that book? I'd like to see how each book compares to every other book in terms of "Verses: ??, Both: ??, LXX:. ??, MT: ??". I think having this format completed at the end of each book would be a real benefit for analysis. Just a suggestion.

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for asking. I didn't spell it out that way at the end of this video. Instead, I check out the graph. If you look at the graph, Mark would be... Verses: 20, Both: 14, LXX: 3, MT: 2, Neither: 1

  • @ggesman7811

    @ggesman7811

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@PostApostolicChurch Thank you.

  • @ExploringThroughTheBible
    @ExploringThroughTheBible Жыл бұрын

    I'm curious if there is anything in the Pre-Nicene writings about demon possession or casting out of unclean spirits, and also any thoughts you may have on the subject. Thanks!

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for commenting. Yes, the Pre-Nicene Christians wrote about those things happening. But compared to other subjects, they wrote extremely little about demon possession and unclean spirits. I haven't looked at that subject for a while, so I won't share the Pre-Nicene beliefs about it right now. Perhaps many years down the road, I will make a video about it. But like the Pre-Nicene Christians, they apparently believed there were more important things to talk about. And those are the videos I want to do next. As for my own thoughts, I have learned to not put anything in a box. That is, I used to believe that demon possession/oppression was completely fake. However, now I believe that possession/oppression can happen today. No longer do I want to put anything in a box, but instead be opened minded about things like that. And there is one belief that I think is the MOST TRUE when it comes to this subject: it is absolutely impossible for a Christian to be possessed by demons. If a person is a Christian, then they have the Holy Spirit, who is FAR MORE POWERFUL than anything than Satan can do. As the apostle John said, "We know that everyone who has been born of God does not sin, but the One who is born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him" (1John 5:18). That is, everyone who belongs to God is kept safe from demon possession. Satan may tempt us like crazy, but Satan cannot control us. For the person who does not belong to God, that person does not have that guarantee. God bless you!

  • @ExploringThroughTheBible

    @ExploringThroughTheBible

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the reply. I was also wondering if the Pre-Nicene writings give us any indication as to whether the problem of the Gentiles being compelled to be circumcised and keep the Law of Moses was still lingering, or if Paul's letters and teachings had stopped that problem by their time. Thank you and God bless.

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ExploringThroughTheBible Excellent question! As you know, the Jewish Christian who tried to compel everyone to be circumcised and keep the Law of Moses were called Judaizers. This is the group that Paul targeted in Galatians, whom Paul said had fallen from grace. After Paul's time (in the 2nd century and a little after), there was a group called the Ebionites. They were not as "fallen from grace" as the Judaizers, but the Ebionites also commanded that people observe many of the Laws of Moses. Fast forward to today. This concept of "Judaizing" has resurfaced in the last few decades. It is called the Hebrew Roots Movement. Folks in this movement have a lot of different beliefs on compelling themselves (and others) in following the Law of Moses... but for many of the folks in in the Hebrew Roots Movement, it is a modern-day version of "Judaizing."

  • @wangmary888
    @wangmary888 Жыл бұрын

    The pie charts seem not that correct because the pies make a round to mean they are together as 100%, but the numbers of these pies are added into less than 100%. Why?

  • @jirehla-ab1671
    @jirehla-ab1671 Жыл бұрын

    Just to clarify does the kjv uses both?

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for asking clarification. No, the KJV uses the Masoretic for its Old Testament. However, the translators of the KJV were familiar with the Septuagint. There are a few verses in the KJV where it uses the Septuagint instead of the Masoretic. For example, Isaiah 7:14 says "young woman" in Masoretic and says "virgin" in the Septuagint. The KJV translated it as "virgin," which is correct. God bless you!

  • @digitalsublime
    @digitalsublime Жыл бұрын

    Hi, hope everything is going good with you. Miss your videos. Have you researched Dionysius there is all this talk about the sacraments specially the work of Brian C. Muraresku - The Immortality Key. He has connections with Jesuits and the Vatican, but seems honest in his research. How should we as Orthodox Christian respond think about the subject of use of psychedelics by early Christians? Glory to Christ

  • @skylerstorm527
    @skylerstorm527 Жыл бұрын

    Can you recommend any books that defend the priority of the LXX?

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for asking. I'm sorry, I am not familiar with any books that defend the LXX. Of course, I know that they are out there! I would check what Google or Amazon recommends when it comes to finding books that defend the LXX. God bless you!

  • @skylerstorm527

    @skylerstorm527

    Жыл бұрын

    @@PostApostolicChurch Thanks, and God bless you!

  • @ready1fire1aim1
    @ready1fire1aim1 Жыл бұрын

    If Masoretic text has all the contradictions and the gematria is different between Masoretic and Samaritan maybe we should use Samaritan gematria. Contradictions are big red flags.

  • @fransvalkenburg1156
    @fransvalkenburg11562 жыл бұрын

    👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼💙

  • @paullavoie5542
    @paullavoie55422 жыл бұрын

    You're only on Mark and I can't rememeber how long I've been subscribed to your channel. You still have Luke and John to go.

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    2 жыл бұрын

    Very true. And Paul. And Hebrews. Yes, there is a lot to cover in the future! :)

  • @jacoba4669
    @jacoba46692 жыл бұрын

    Did the Masoretic Text exist during the time of Jesus to allow HIM or the gospel writers to quote from the MT ?

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for commenting. The point of these videos is compare today's Masoretic with today's Septuagint in order to find out which one is more accurate (based on the NT quotations). While the Septuagint did exist in Jesus' day, the Masoretic technically did not. But since the Masoretic is the oldest Old Testament we have, it is all we have to go by. God bless you!

  • @monotheist..

    @monotheist..

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@PostApostolicChurch do you think its allowed to quote from old tetament god words but not verbatim and little bit loose thats why they didnt match seotuagint and more lean to masoratic is taht possible or a stretch?

  • @monotheist..

    @monotheist..

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@PostApostolicChurch because as i understand as zealos person you should quote god words verbatim and not change or loosen it

  • @monotheist..

    @monotheist..

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@PostApostolicChurch it is possible that they match masoratic by accident because they loosen their quote towards septuagint or our current septuagint are just different

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@monotheist.. I agree that it is a good thing to quote the words verbatim as best we can. However, the power of the Scriptures is not in the words but in the message the words are trying to say. I forget which verse it was, but there was one time that Jesus quoted from the Old Testament and He did not quote it verbatim. Also, there is the fact that language changes over time and words can change in meanings. While language changes, God's message does not. That is another reason why the meaning of the words are more important than the words themselves. No, I do not think that a NT quotation could "accidentally" match either the Masoretic or Septuagint. I believe the NT quotation is exactly what it should be. Because of that, we can use what we know is true (NT quotations) in order to see which OT wordings are true.

  • @Alberto.R.Broglio
    @Alberto.R.Broglio2 жыл бұрын

    O θεός God, ο θεός μου my God, πρόσχες take heed μοι to me! ινατί Why εγκατέλιπές did you abandon με me? It is the last quote, you see that there is only the sentence "take heed to me" that is omitted in the Gospel of Mark, but for the rest it is the same as the masoretic. I think Jesus is quoting both.

  • @traceursebas
    @traceursebas Жыл бұрын

    Are you still producing videos?

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for asking. Ideally speaking, I would answer yes. I still have my plan and future videos are in the works. Practically speaking, I know it does not look like it. My life has been so busy, it has been much more difficult than I thought to find time to work on and finish videos. In short, I would say that I have been on an unexpected hiatus. I would like to change that! Time will tell.

  • @traceursebas

    @traceursebas

    Жыл бұрын

    @@PostApostolicChurch I’m still hoping you one day make a video on the early church’ stand in tithing and interpretation of Revelation

  • @josephflynn9268
    @josephflynn92682 жыл бұрын

    ??????? ?

  • @AmeeraG242
    @AmeeraG242 Жыл бұрын

    How could he be quoting from both the Biggest thing to pay attention to here I what they call the Lord. Jesus would have been quoting from the Septuagint

  • @richlopez5896

    @richlopez5896

    Жыл бұрын

    Jesus and the apostles quote from the Septuagint over 300 times in the New Testament. Literally in all 27 New Testament books

  • @yeshuaisyhvhgodmadeflesh6258
    @yeshuaisyhvhgodmadeflesh62582 жыл бұрын

    Hi Brother ! The massoretic text doesn't exist at the time of our God and Savior Yeshua/Jesus. How can you say that God Yeshua/Jesus or the apostles quote this text ??? Yeshua/Jesus didn't need to quote any scriptures, cause He is the Holies Scriptures. And jehovah is a pagan name useby pagan as jehovah witnesses. The Name of Yeshua/Jesus, in Old Testament is YHVH = Yahveh. As in John 19.19-20 in Hebrew : Yeshua Ha'nostri Ve'melech Ha'yehudim = YHVH. In English : Yeshua The Nazarene The King of Jews. HalleluYAH ! Shalom

  • @PostApostolicChurch

    @PostApostolicChurch

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for commenting. Yes, the Masoretic did not exist in Jesus' day. We do not have the Hebrew that existed in Jesus' day; the Masoretic is the the closest to it. These videos are comparing the New Testament with today's Masoretic and today's Septuagint. It's a great way to learn which one is more accurate to the New Testament. God bless you!

  • @Tyfron

    @Tyfron

    2 жыл бұрын

    "Yahweh" pronounciation is the same as the Jove/Iove, which is the Roman Jupiter. the Jehovah/Yehovah Ive read is this way because the Jews placed the vowels of adonai into the YHWH, and later others took it to be the actual pronounciation. Not sure how true the last part is, but it's what Ive read concerning it.

  • @yeshuaisyhvhgodmadeflesh6258

    @yeshuaisyhvhgodmadeflesh6258

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Tyfron You are right, the rabbis added vowels to the tetagram YHVH to mislead people, so that they do not pronounce correctly the Name of the Father and the Son, which God gave to Moses for the old covenant = YAHVEH. And the sect of jehovah's witnesses, as well as other ignorant people, have fallen for this. YAH is the third person of the verb to be in Hebrew, meaning HE IS, HE WAS, HE WILL BE, while YEH is the first person of the verb to be in Hebrew, meaning I AM, I WAS, I WILL BE. HalleluYAH ! One God, One Truth, Yeshua/Jesus, HalleluYAH ! Maran-atha Adonaï ! Amen ! Shalom