This video is very VERY well put together. I watch a lot of strategy game youtubers, and this is the best breakdown of CM from a tactical perspective that I have seen. Bravo. CPG has my attention.

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Much love. Enjoying it so far. Keeps me sharp.

@dv6000islame

2 жыл бұрын

Check out Usually Hapless who does a fantastic job also of explaining tactics etc through Combat Mission: kzread.info/dron/9egpHJiRis89uHkeyJiEug.htmlfeatured Double Vision is also excellent: kzread.info

Learning to play CM is like learning to parallel park. It quickly goes from seeming like an impossible task to being second nature.

@DirtyCivilian14

2 жыл бұрын

You're not wrong. But its great when you master it

@BlastinRope

2 жыл бұрын

Dont start with the modern ones. The ww2 ones are easier to learn since can focus on fundamental tactics. guided munitions and such complicate things so much when it comes to war, also nobody even knows what modern conventional warfare even looks like. The closest we got was iraq-iran war and that war was messy

@gotanon8958

2 жыл бұрын

Desert storm would be the closest we can get to a modern conventional war.

@InvictusProductionsX

2 жыл бұрын

@@BlastinRope Black Sea was my first one and oddly enough it was easier for me to learn than the WW2 ones. Not sure why but I am absolutely abysmal at Blitzkrieg but godtier at BS/Cold War Multiplayer

@tireachan6178

2 жыл бұрын

That's spot on. You start off like an officer on his first combat deployment. You make bad calls, you fail to coordinate your assets effectively, and your casualtie numbers reflect your ineptitude. After you gain experience you become ruthlessly efficient in coordinating maneuvers to become viciously aggressive which feels rather satisfying

"Ay sarn't you told us to drive to the breach" - that VC/driver, probably. 10/10 realism.

"Oh shit, my fire support team is dead and I didn't notice!" As a FiSTer, I assure you, you are not the first officer to do this and will not be the last.

@Leader1623

2 жыл бұрын

Everyone asks where is my FIST not how is my FIST.

@aauwhatitdo1582

2 жыл бұрын

@@Leader1623 lol, there is definitely a distinction between the two.

Bit late, but I come bearing more tips. You can conduct any fire mission/air mission/recon mission right off the bat, with or without direct LOS to the target. FOs are the best unit to assign drones, for obvious reasons. At the start, when you moved your FO vehicle into position, you used the fast command. Hull Down is the best way to make sure you expose as little as possible. You set the waypoint, give it a "target" and the vehicle will stop once it is Hull down from the "target." You use the fast command a lot, I'd recommend using quick move or just move more if you want to avoid bogging. (Fit) infantry can also go a reasonable distance going "quick," as well. Edit: Oh, and you can queue disembark orders. Give mounted infantry any order moving anywhere, and they dismount at the vehicle's last waypoint. Edit edit: You can also assign a facing command, followed by a smoke command to "aim" smoke. When breaching, I'd recommend integrating vehicle smoke during dismount, all in one turn.

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah had zero clue any of that was possible. Good stuff. More tinkering and failing to come no doubt.

@jakesomethingorother4676

2 жыл бұрын

@@ControlledPairsGaming It takes dedication, for sure. It's not for people wanting a more casual experience- as you said, it's a simulation more than it is just a game. I highly recommend opening the (broader engine) manual, and browsing the contents. Anything you see that stands out, give it a read. The most important things to read, though, are the commands. It explains them in detail for both infantry and vehicles, mitigating any confusion in that regard. Besides that, the individual game manual has a lot on units found in the game, giving a little background but most importantly explaining their capabilities. Certain things are a little obscure, such as fire support capabilities, and the manual can clear it up.

@robertkalinic335

Жыл бұрын

I remember that the youtuber Usually Hapless tested vehicle bogging in regards to speed and he did not find slower speed to be significantly useful in preventing bogging. Its actually better to cross the problematic terrain as fast as possible to reduce opportunities for them to get stuck and try to avoid mud and swamps. While the fast command doesnt make the significant difference in chance of bogging, it makes the complete immobilization more likely. None of this is in the manual, just people testing it themselves. Also, giving reverse order helps a bit with unbogging, dont know if thats based on real world or just game code spagetty.

I think a Combined Arms Clearance of a densely Built up Area (Fallujah sim...) or some type of Contested MasTac against Near Peer threats would be a fun and humbling visualization of what Modern Conventional war would look like. Casualty figures and such.

@Syndie702

2 жыл бұрын

For that you'll want Combat Mission: Black Sea. That is unless you want the ultimate showdown of US Army vs. US Marines in SF2.

@jakesomethingorother4676

2 жыл бұрын

Black Sea is exactly that, I'd recommend it. Blue on "Red" US vs. US wargame scenarios are fun, as well.

@slammedc2003

2 жыл бұрын

For that simulation I recommend Combat Mission Black Sea, that has near peer threats and more lethal technologies and the dense urban maps get pretty crazy.

This is the easiest mission in all combat mission games. from ww2 to modern. and this game was in the demo to lure unknown players in by giving you ALL THE Toys...........and a perfect base of firing position and good LOS after that, it's a grind when we don't get access to those toys

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah is kind of interesting to me. The game sets up a combined arms breach but there's no incentive to actually do it when you can just sit on the berm and kill from afar the whole time.

What I have learned about CM is that if you have to clear a building artillery is the best option and infantry is only if artillery isn’t an option

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

BDA>BD6

@chasecrappell6556

2 жыл бұрын

Breaching buildings with infantry is awful on this simulation. Probably realistic.

TIL about Assault Breacher Vehicles. The M1150 is going to haunt me, that thing looks terrifying coming at you.

I tend to think about this stuff on the micro level (being the breach element) but thinking more about the bigger picture is definitely interesting

@Duck1en

2 жыл бұрын

Oh hello :D

@TheButterAnvil

2 жыл бұрын

What's up buddy 🤣

When using infantry in urban operations in CM, breaking down and splitting squads is a must for reducing mass casualties.

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@capthawkeye8010

2 жыл бұрын

@@ControlledPairsGaming When using infantry in the open however, keep them mounted as much as possible. Losing a squad in a Stryker to an RPG is a bad experience but you'll see later on that you can lose just as many men to snipers and artillery fire-both of which will slow bleed your force.

Love the way you put this together mate. You are 100% correct by saying this is a simulation. If you like this, try their other Simulation called Combat Mission Black Sea. US, Ukrainian and Russian forces. Its a lot harder fighting a near peer force instead of an inferior army.

Man id watch you play this for hours.. i love the combat mission games

@dv6000islame

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. I really enjoy how he explains approaching the mission and the tactics involved.

One thing you have to understand about CM is its mainly designed for Human vs Human. So when fighting missions against AI, mission editors tend to put in tons of Infantry or way larger force then yours since the AI is not tactically intelligent as a human player who would use cover deflate and much better potions. So to simulate harder assaults more AI is dumped into a building to cause more casualties and for player to have a harder time trying to take objective as if he were playing a Human player. Not perfect logic but it works to a point and not much more you can do due to game engine limitations. So that said, sometimes you have to put tons and tons of fire into areas such as these buildings you assaulted. Otherwise your infantry would be running into a meat grinder as you have seen here.

@gcgrabodan

2 жыл бұрын

noone on youtube seems to play these games PvP unfortunately

Splitting your squads Into teams gives you even more Control

Fantastic my friend! Nice job on the mission despite the relatively chunky casualties assaulting the compound near the end there. But I loved seeing the thunderstorm of automatic grenades rain hell from the Strykers! You explained very well what you were doing tactically. I enjoyed the cut down approach where you show your planned out orders and then each minute of action. There's a lot of nuance you can do with the game that you'll discover: targeting arcs, armored arcs, hunt orders, slow (ie stealth) movement, blasting through walls with engineers, pause orders, etc. I agree that the game's controls could use an upgrade. They haven't changed all that much in 20 years, but even so, it's still my favorite military sim out there. Keep 'em coming!

Love to see this stuff man. Always interesting to learn about the tactics you'd employ on the field!

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate that, man. It's a clunky sim, but I enjoy it!

One additional thing I missed in CM:SF2 for a hugely long time is that practically every US Stryker or M2 has a spare javelin and some reloads for it on board as well as a huge amount of ammo for your squad's weapons. It can really help with getting your troops set up and the game even factors in the thermals on the Javelin improving the spotting skills of an infantry team. I'm also frankly surprised one of those ATGM teams in the buildings didn't pop your FIST vehicle much sooner, it always seems like if I hang a unit out where it can be seen I learn the hard way about it again. The game is also entirely unforgiving of assaulting an occupied building, I've never found a reliable way of doing it with out losing way too many troops.

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Wait... I can pull javs off of vehicles?

@Stlaind

2 жыл бұрын

@@ControlledPairsGaming Yeah, if you select an infantry team/squad while they're in a vehicle (can be any time, even mounting up in a vehicle that belonged to another platoon or company) and hit the "S" on the commands selector then choose acquire - it'll give you a list of things the squad can pick up. Fair warning though, there's no way in the game to have them discard it or put it back in a vehicle after that point. Also the more you load a squad down with weapons and ammo the faster they tire out.

@Euan_Miller43

2 жыл бұрын

@@ControlledPairsGaming when playing with US mounted infantry I always take plenty of 556 as the rifle squads don’t carry that much, you can also pick up AT4’s, 762, and HEDP 40mm

@coryhoggatt7691

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I knew the moment you pulled it up on that berm the FIST Stryker was going to die. You can dismount the team and put them up there without attracting attention.

@Stlaind

2 жыл бұрын

@@coryhoggatt7691 Even better you can use the UAV to spot and keep the FIST behind the berm and out of sight entirely

Thank you so much for this, I've been searching and searching for something like this 👍

Your amazing channel gets better every time I see it - PLEASE keep doing combat mission! Your military insight is invaluable

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

More.to come. Thanks so much.

See Combat Mission = instant thumbs up. It'd be awesome to see you play through a campaign!

@dv6000islame

2 жыл бұрын

I agree!

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

more to come! Thanks guys.

Ok, here is a tip i think you will appreciate next time you arty a building. Use the "armor" ammo option in the fire mission setup. Its basically supposed to be a delayed fuse and its gonna collapse buildings VERY quickly.

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

So helpful. Thank you.

So, I really liked this one because it reminded me of my first experience with CM, back in Shock force 1 times. The critical piece of information is: You do not need to accomplish all objectives, some are basically impossible without taking crippling losses. From my point of view the compound was far too large to take with the forces you were given, so the actual goal was to break the enemys morale until they surrender, at this point all objectives would be considered complete. Force protection is extremely important in SF2 because you dont really get reinforcements throughout the campaign, so at this point and considering the losses I think its basically game over after the first mission. Nonetheless, great vid, thanks for it and keep it up. 🤟

In that mission I just left some FSV at rear where ICV rush while popping smoke when near target bldg for my infantry safe disembark while FSV at rear target briefly at bldg for supression with HE rounds. good video mate.

You and hapless make the best content for this game, and shermanator. I am really glad I found your channel man. I have finished the British campaign on elite, I really enjoyed Shockforce 2. I will be finishing my marines campaign when I go back to it. I recently bought black sea. I love how the system is the same but the dynamics are totally different because it is near peer v peer combat. I finished my first mission as the Russians last night. It was really fun getting to use BMPs for the first time. I would love to se you make a video using Black Sea and hear what you have to say about the peer v peer kind of combat. I really enjoyed listening to your insights behind the choices you were making in this video. I will certainly be watching all of your videos from here. Thanks for the content man.

Tip: when making a turn with vehicles make sure to make a smooth turn and not a sharp angle. Edit: here’s a good video guide about vehicle movement in cm kzread.info/dash/bejne/k5x3tNCcl7nYoaQ.html

Glad to see you playing this game. I'm surprised it has not gotten more attention. Battlefront deserves more attention. By the way I think that drone and 120mm mortars are available to be given orders without FO's having LOS at the setup phase of the game with instant results when you press the "go" button.

LETS GOOO keep up the great work man

This is the type of scenario where you would just glass it from the air.

I actually JUST finished this mission before finding this video (and your channel. Congrats, you have a new sub!) My general plan was to have 1st platoon hit the right side trenches, 3rd platoon to hit the left, both supported by tanks, breaching points cleared by AP mortar fire. They would secure the flanks and fort exits while 2nd platoon would assault what was left of the HQ building after 10 minutes of sustained artillery fire. It didn't go well. 1st platoon was cut to pieces, 3rd platoon bugged out after a near direct hit from a T-55. Fortunately the hq was shelled to pieces so 2nd platoon barely had to walk on in and the enemy surrendered soon after. I lost roughly 20 guys.

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

more combat mission on the way! Thanks for watching.

More of this Combat Mission content please dude

Damn man. Your content just keeps getting better.

PLEASE do more with this game! really enjoyed this

Would love to see a similar video with you playing Combat Mission Black Sea!

@dickyneedles8876

2 жыл бұрын

Same here, CM:BS is such a nice change of pace from asymmetry in SF2 to a near-peer conflict in Eastern Europe. I'd love to see how doctrine and plans change as a result of this shift in the force dispositions/capabilities.

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Doctrine likely wouldn't change, but risk tolerance and casualty count would.

@dickyneedles8876

2 жыл бұрын

@@ControlledPairsGaming That's actually what I suspected; very little to no change in actual doctrine but changes to execution and precautions you would have to consider. I think I read somewhere US ACR personnel deployed to the Fulda Gap at the height of the Cold War were told they had like a 15 minute life expectancy if stuff got hot WITH air support, and 8 minutes without. Pretty insane considering it was only the 70s/80s, imagine the death in a modern conflict.

Welcome to Combat Mission! One tip is you might want to play with the admin tab of orders, the American infantry squads in this game really benefit from being broken down into fire teams, also when assaulting buildings in this game teams will limit your losses when you get surprised like that.

Would love to see more of this game!

I love this mission, I would love to have play it with Bradley’s or warriors. 250 hours deep into CMSF2

Me: I have a deadline today, and I need to get to work. Controlled Pairs: Releases 40+ minute video on one of my favorite games. Me: %$&!

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Hope you got your work done!

This is my go to game for last weeks. Love it and waiting for salary come to buy also Black Sea.

Really cool stuff. I've been interested to see if there was a game with a wider focus than door kickers. Its interesting to see the balance of how much of the infantry operations the game handles i guess as doctrine, and how much it expects you to control directly.

@lordfraybin

2 жыл бұрын

The entire "Combat Mission" series is fantastic. The mod community is pretty active too, and have released higher rez textures and skins for units, as well.

@jakesomethingorother4676

2 жыл бұрын

I'd compare it more to Close Combat mixed with ArmA, being completely honest.

Finally, a tutorial for this CMSF2! Big thanks.

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Not really a tutorial, just my thoughts!

good stuff. wish we used this game for digexs back in the day

Just to let you know... there is a bug in the game. I'm in the middle of the video, so I don't know if you'll comment on it, but quite obviously the trenches are all misaligned. This is caused by loading a game or starting a new game on the same map without shutting down and re-starting the game. The same bug is the reason why so many of the enemy tanks in the beginning were just standing in the open, they are supposted to be dug-in. Also, there are really two schools of thought on how to approach a CM-mission... Either you are hardcore and go in blind and accept the results (which can lead to later missions being practically unwinnable if you screw up in campaign as you'll use the same troops in several missions), or you are like me and replay until you get it down to perfection. And I have replayed this mission an absurd amount of times. You can finish this mission without moving a single vehicle beyond the berm and with 0 casulties. Never get closer to the enemy line than 200 m and they wont hit a single thing as they are green conscripts without nightvision. Just pound them with tanks, machine guns and artillery until they give up. There is no reason to try to take the fort, or even clear out the trenches to finish the mission. The enemy are reservists, and will give up far more easily than later on in the campaign when you'll be facing SF and republican guard. Scare them enough and they'll surrender.

@lupahole

2 жыл бұрын

hey kashk, i got this bug today. Which is strange cause when shock force 2 was first released i never noticed it. Are you sure restarting the game fixes it? Cause i fired up the game today after many weeks and i got this misalignment.

@kashk42

2 жыл бұрын

@@lupahole Always solved it for me. As long as I've started the map (or any map) for the first time, without any re-loads of saves or starting over trenches and positions have always been in the correct position. Any time I try to play the map two times in a row without restarting the game I get this bug.

@lupahole

2 жыл бұрын

@@kashk42 Restarted the game and it was solved. But strange for it to happen even though the game hadnt launched for a few months...Thanks for your advice anyways!

I bought this game right after your first video on it and can confirm it is great if a little clunky

dude i really wanted to support your channel by buying this game from your site but it twice as much as on the steam store

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

No worries at all! They are typically the same price unless there is a sale or major price change that Nexus hasn't reflected yet.

Combat Mission Games are so good, I highly recommend the Black Sea game as it has more technologically advanced systems which in turn makes it a bit more chaotic and lethal. Also, if there is a window on a wall CM simulates that the entire wall can be shot out of or seen out of.

@CrowDawg11

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, you can knock loopholes anywhere. No preexisting windows required.

Arty the base to suppress, have an A-10 party to hit the vehicles, use heavy guns on vehicles to eliminate INF from range. Have you played Wargame Red Dragon BTW?

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

I've seen it. A bit too arcadey for me for an RTS SIM.

@SSDConker2

2 жыл бұрын

@@ControlledPairsGaming tbf, Wargame isn't really a sim, just a RTS that requires a shit ton of mirco and SA

CM is high on my list of things to buy when I have the time to really learn it. But there's a lot of stuff that's pretty opaque with it, like how your forward observers just kind of vanished without much feedback.

@dv6000islame

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, the feedback comes as you watch (and re-watch) the minute of action from many different angles, zoomed in and zoomed out. I tend to re-watch the minute at least once with the camera pulled all the way out, just watching for flashes of orange (indicating friendly casualties) on my unit icons to see if I missed any casualties. Then I zoom in and watch it again in close-up detail to see how it went down.

Well done Col. Pairs!

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

🤘

As a fister it’s nice to see the fires community get a little love lol

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

🤙

This was my whole job in the marines, ABV vehicle commander as an E-3. It was always odd telling high ranking officers what to do. Its a shame they don't have the AVLB and ABV in this

I would like to see more of a defense type of scenario maybe in another video. Maybe you can also do some desperate types of scenarios. like an armour column getting ambushed or a cut off infantry division that has to survive until armor can reinforce them.

lovin it, keep it going...

Another protip. - Before you start the match, grab 2k 5.56 ammo per squad and assign them javelins, then you can separate the AT team, which has the said javelin to do some precision work. Aand your squad wont run out of ammo if something happens. Another thing in these scenarios, if it is night time and the enemy doesnt have NVGs, you can easily walk around in the open at distances above 250-300m.

Hey bro, awesome video. Small tip when using drones. It's actually better to just set a point for them rather than an area. When you set a point the drone will simply circle that point to observe everything around it. If you outline an area it confuses the current mechanics. It's hard to explain but simply, rather having one zone focused on accurately It's trying to maneuver and focus on multiple zones quickly.

@KevinCreighton

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, and linear drone targets > area target.

@Tactical_Werewolf

2 жыл бұрын

On a deeper note for anyone interested, this is from the games actual manual on UAV spotting. "Observe missions have a higher chance of detecting enemies if set to a Point target, which will encompass a 50m diameter circle. Area targets cover much more ground but have lower resolution. Linear missions function like area missions"

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Only a 50m diameter? That's ridiculous for fixed wing FMV RPAs

@Tactical_Werewolf

2 жыл бұрын

@@ControlledPairsGaming Double checked manuals to to see if it differentiates between the 11B Raven and 7B Shadow but doesn't look like it.

.... but does it allow us to drink tea with the elders?

Have you seen Tank Warfare: Tunisia 1943 by chance? I think it's a decent mil-sim per say. Definitely worth a look. And the control's are clunky but once you get use to it, it's really helpful.

Do you have a playlist on this games campaign? I want an easy time finding all your videos.

I tackled this mission by assaulting through and clearing the enemy positions to the left of the road and then slowly and carefully working my way into the complex from that side, rather than frontally bum rushing the long face of their prepared position in the building. It didn't really make a difference once I got into the objective, and my final casualties were similar to yours. Room clearing is always going to be costly no matter how good your tactics are. Something our trainers always taught us in the Corps was that "proximity negates skill" and a room is a great example. Even a shit-scared guy with zero training can mag dump an AK from 5m away and wipe a fireteam or squad.

3:13 2008. There are a couple giveaways as to the date, such as that the "camo" being worn by the US soldiers is UCP

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Good catch. Misspoke. UCP 🤮

Thoroughly entertaining and informative Pairs. I'll give you a little AAR since you got me in the mood. (Reaction) When those first dismounts were rolling up I was like fuck yeah. About to own this objective. Maybe shift fire to the north side, but otherwise great suppression achieved. Then the ramp dropped... and the enemy rate of fire PICKED WAY UP. I was like oh shit that ain't good. Later saw your infantrymen using 40mm on the 3 story and barracks. I was like hell yeah. Stryker drivers and VCs make some wacky calls sometimes. So I don't think that's really that bad. There honestly should be some sort of confusion on the exact spot you want units to go. What I disliked was the lack of bounding towards the objective. What the hell was that FOOM Pairs? Company blob fireteam wedge? :P Might be worth it to spend some time trying out infantry maneuvers to see what the sim is capable of. Lack of handheld smoke was also weird. Would've been hella useful for the breach and the assault. (Sustains) Getting those 240s into the fight was a good call, but I don't know if I would've gone with the roof. I feel like they would've been too exposed from the entire length of the 3 story and barracks. But they fucked shit up and stayed alive and that's what counts. Initial suppression of the breach was sick. Good tactical patience there waiting for the battlefield to develop. Abrams are one hell of an asset. Continue to use the heck out of them. (Improves) I would've liked a more prepared scheme of clearance. I think you could've prevented a lot of casualties by seizing a foothold in the corners rather than the center of the HQ. At the very least your infantry wouldn't have been taking fire from multiple directions. The 3 story building seemed like a piece of key terrain inside the objective. I think I would've prioritized fires on it until it was significantly shorter. The danger of elevated shots from RPGs against your dismounts and vehicles was very high. I'm not a fister, but I'm pretty sure the reds on the 120s start at like 600m. I wouldn't want to shift the 120 fires to the north side of the objective while assaulting the south, so I'd probably punctuate the battle hand off with a 10 - 20 round fire for effect. Easier said then done when the FSO vehicle is on fire.

So before i see how you assault this objective im gonna try to layout how i think i would attack. Lets start with the ramps. Basics of defense you never want to be in a bowl. The enemy has essentially made a bowl with this wall they put up. Use the ramps get infantry on the high ground as observers and get the abrahams on that high ground if possible. Start shelling those positions with the outranging of their cannons. Push 3 of the lighter vehicles through the quick access with one abrahms in support. Hold troops for a reserve in case the enemy starts to empty off their right line or QRF meets your primary engagement. Id say withhold the infantry in your primary push and rely on coaxials and MGLs your infantry should be on the high ground using javelins or calling for arty to keep the enemy supressed

Great video, but this is a good example of why you always call for fire on objectives to soften the target before you assault.

maybe bring one of your friends over here and you guys can discuss tactics. that would be great to be honest.

always loved being part of a CALFX. Sucks when there’s a fuck ton of iterations, but still fun nonetheless. SLTW

There are some good NATO icon mods available if you're into that. The visual mods are worth looking at too, you can change friendly and enemy uniforms, improve muzzle blasts, explosions, sound effects, etc. CM Mod Warehouse has it all, not to mention tons of scenarios.

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Works in steam version?

How does a mission go from "A company takes out half a battalion without a single casuality" to "Mop up operations are basically NORMANDY BEACH WTAF"

For the looks, there's a bunch of mods on the internet ! I strongly recommend !

I was waiting for that SOSRA drop

@thebombasticbadazz4729

2 жыл бұрын

you and me both boss

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

I've got standards fam

@Justinred87

2 жыл бұрын

@@ControlledPairsGaming You know them "standard bearers" *wink wink nudge nudge*

I always just picked an unlucky stryker and sent it to "make" a path through those mines on route lightning

@jackgunz148

2 жыл бұрын

sometimes 2 or 3 strykers would be needed...

Anytime I get bored of Door Kickers, I load up CM: Black Sea and I imagine every time my guys enter an apartment complex, they're all in their own little version of Door Kickers.

Just want to point out, given the sheer numbers of Blue forces and Red forces, standard doctrine dictates a 2v1 advantage over the Opposing Force be present prior to the determination of considerations for a tactical advance. In this scenario the US was in fact outnumbered more than 2 to 1. Additionally, Allied forces suffered a 36% casualty rate, which again by doctrine is approaching considerations for declaring the force combat ineffective.

When making vehicles turn, doing right angles will cause your vehicle to stop and in turn in place very slowly. Better to do a series of short shallow turns.

I remember this mission, i lost a bunch of armor because i couldnt figure out how to clear mines. I eventually got it though

love it

Ah, CM. I love it.

If you want a WWII version of this look up Men of War Assault Squad 2

more of this game!!!

fascinating

Well done again! Love seeing CM on the channel! Once you get CM Shock Force under control…check out CM Black Sea (US and Ukraine vs Russia with ALL the toys too include predator drones and CM Cold War for that Nostalgic take

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Haha I've got Black Sea. Just working on learning the controls and we'll graduate 🤣

Not sure what I’m doing wrong with mortars but I’m having some issues. Put a spotter right on the burm with direct line of sight. First issue is I choose immediate and its takes multiple turns to come out and when it does it is nowhere near where I spotted it to drop.

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Immediate is the fastest way to get rounds on target, and the least accurate. Reality is calling for fire takes time.

A quick tip, learned the hard way: don’t fire at buildings with your infantry inside - they’ll get suppressed at best and killed by friendly fire at worst. The same can apply on open ground, try not to have MMGs firing above soldiers heads

hey just a rando enthusiast/follower. i'm curious about a building block you gave us on your DK2 videos, something that i would have thought applied pretty cleanly to this scenario, but it doesn't seem like you chose to implement it, which is fighting from an L shape? I would have thought, given the large central objective, it would have been pretty clean once you routed the road garrison and breached the berm on the main route, to establish a large L shape along the road and berm to capture the firebase with a graph paper of tank and called fires. is there a reason that your assault seemed to focus mainly on approaching the base from (i think the south?) it also seemed like there wasn't much of a reward for getting soldiers into the HQ building, when you seemed to be able to establish a firing position with your tanks and arty. why wouldn't we just sit back, lean up against the RPG cages on the APCs, and go in once the whole place is quiet rubble for an assessment and cleanup? not criticizing, i'm just trying to learn.

Good video, but right from the get go if this is a preset scenario doctrine went out the window lol. A battalion sized OBJ is going to require at least a brigade and more than likely upwards of a division.

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Oh shit is that how this works?

@Michael-tn7qw

2 жыл бұрын

@@ControlledPairsGaming Ya I mean I love your content cuz I am learning the mechanics of this game but after nearly 15 years in the Army I can tell you we train to fight on a 3 to 1 ratio. Now of course this is not always going to be the case, and our enemies can put us in volatile situations. Theoretically, or doctrinally speaking, if my enemy is in a buddy team, I want a squad, if he is in a squad I want a platoon, if he has a platoon I want a company (3 platoons, often times complimented by a mortar section). If he has a company I want a battalion (generally consisting of 3 infantry companies, a mounted company, and a support company) and so on. The idea here is as the old saying goes, if you’re fighting fair, you’re fighting wrong.

I managed to achieve better outcome without any prior military or CM experience but great explainatory video anyway.

Alt + W will get rid of the shadows. It looks much better without.

I always thought Full Spectrum Warrior was the best squad level military simulator/trainer.

Just a note, this game takes place in 2007, so the equipment is not quite the same as it is now.

I never thought something like this existed on the public market how do you get this game on steam ?

I’ve always liked CM but I only liked to play small platoon level scenarios. It never made sense to me to be playing with a battalion and moving individual squads and vehicles. Span of control

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Concur. I appret the ability to micro manage, but to require it is really tedious.

Invested a bunch time, I've been playing since 1999... So thats over 20 years....

@dv6000islame

2 жыл бұрын

Me too! I remember those good old days with CM Beyond Overlord en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Mission:_Beyond_Overlord Dang I'm getting old... Ever tried the top down 2D TacOps game also sold by battlefront back in early 2000s?

I really need to see more of this. I thoroughly enjoy your doorkickers videos. But this was really interesting to watch. It is a pitty the AI looks sort of slow and janky and breaching looks more like a numbers game than anything tactical, like who can shoot more of the enemy before going down after running facefirst into the building. So kind of far away from your normal CQB, but very entertaining in it's own right.

@dv6000islame

2 жыл бұрын

Here's a good explanation from Usually Hapless on why building interiors and engagements are the way they are in Combat Mission: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mn-ZpsqJkduoldY.html

@jacobotstot2021

2 жыл бұрын

@@dv6000islame I mean I, could pretty much see that from the video. Nut yeah it looks like basically what I said, breaching is a numbers game with RNG rather than any sort of actual tactics.

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'll be leveling structures from now on.

@dv6000islame

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacobotstot2021 For interior building fights, there are tactics involved, though I agree that they aren't at the minute level of control you'd get from something like Doorkickers and the like. It's not that game, and the tactics are more macro. They involve things like: Who is set and who is moving, if you rush that kind of your position, you're going to get hosed in the initial exchange. There are ways around that. Hitting the room from multiple sides at the same time, rinsing it with area fire first to soften up the position as much as possible etc. But interior rooms are just plain tough IMO. Force composition, weapon type, morale, and training (veteren vs green etc) do come into play as well. But I agree, at a basic level, there's a lot to be said for who has the most number of troops and who is throwing the most lead.

If you mess around with reshade this game becomes gorgeous

I had a bad feeling when you put that fire support Stryker on top of the berm and then...oh. Just as expected. It would be better if you get that spotter out of the vehicle and have him calling the fire mission on top of the berm. I am surprised that you made it through the minefield so smoothly. Every time I tried to cross the supposedly cleared path, my vehicle would blow up. Once I even tried bringing my artillery down to the minefield after my engineers failed, but the mines still lingered. Perhaps they somehow fixed it in the Steam version? I played the old Battlefront version. In my most successful run, I got behind the fort with the aim to encircle it. I found in previous plays that the enemy garrison, upon being panicked by my fire, would flee behind the fort through the broken walls or run to the fort square. Therefore, I sent my Abrams to punch through the trench on the left and swung right toward the rear of the fort. A Stryker platoon then occupied the trench and blasted holes on the left wall, creating multiple "firing slits" from which it could fire into the square. When my howitzers pounded onto the fort buildings, the garrisons got "flushed out" and fled into my prepared kill zones. My Abram strike force was also in a position to intercept the intermittent Syrian tank reinforcement. I didn't enter the fort at all - I simply turned it into a giant kill box. In the end, the enemy had surrendered before I completed the encirclement. I killed 200+ Syrian to a single wound of my own. The only real obstacle I faced was the minefield. I would say that this mission would have make a perfect introduction to the game if not for the game-breaking minefield. Btw, I highly recommend the HQS sound mod for the game. It is a bit huge at almost 2GB but it is well worth it. cmmodsiii.greenasjade.net/?p=7273

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Can you mod the steam version? And I'd didn't realize dismounting the 13 series dudes was an option. Lol. Should have assumed as much. Noted.

@caldesigner8679

2 жыл бұрын

@@ControlledPairsGaming It should be. I don’t own the Steam version but I assume it works the same as the Battlefront version. The game root file should be under Steam\steamapps\common. Find the Data folder, create an empty folder named “Z” capitalised and without the quotation marks, and then just dump the mod folder inside. For some reasons, it needs that Z folder in order to work.

JDAMs for the win!

Oh wait till you see Graviteam Tactics.

more combat mission :)

Do you have some recommendation for TV shows that show combat with atleast some sensible tactics used?

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

meh. Act of Valor actually wasn't that bad.

@dv6000islame

2 жыл бұрын

An oldie but a goodie is "Band of Brothers", at least from my perspective of a layman tactician. it seems they did a good job with it. Getting actors to hold their firearms right is half the battle. :)

An accurate meat grinder simulator lol

Instead of moving your armor so close to the enemy, it is better have your infantry dismount and advance towards them. That way your armor can act as fire support if your dismounts come under fire. You would rather lose 1 or 2 infantry man than a Stryker loaded with infantry. Handheld anti tank rocket launchers usually have an effective range of 300-500 meters. 300 for the RPG-7 and 500 for the RPG-29.

@ControlledPairsGaming

2 жыл бұрын

For sure. Just no solid place to download them in cover with any standoff on this map. Shoot have just leveled the building.