The actress that plays Liandrin has been KILLING IT. Easily becoming my favorite character this season

@redflower4890

10 ай бұрын

Liandrin actress is perfect, I'm ready to admire her image of Liandrin forever. Her concern about how Seanchan treat women who can channel and the way she said "kneel to me" made me be on her side and angry at Suroth for being rude to Liandrin first

@wolfdragonhorse

10 ай бұрын

Kate Fleetwood is amazing!

@ituleo697

10 ай бұрын

Damn ❤❤❤❤❤

@wheelofwokesellouts3900

10 ай бұрын

aha yes.. the wheel of liandrin.. tobad they dont even focus on main people. i hear people say they like this liandrin more then the books.. well thats becuse they only focus on liandrin in the show. think if they had so much focus on any minor arc it would be the same stuff.. braindead shills who swallow everything

@KylieTension

10 ай бұрын

She is amazing

Kate Fleetwood keeps killing every scene. And holy shit the Seanchan hair is just as crazy as described in the books

This does a great job of showing conflict within the dark friends.

@seanlamont8501

10 ай бұрын

In the books, I always rooted for the darkfreind Aes Sedai over their uneducated counterparts from elsewhere. I was always like, "Do they know who they are talking to?" 😂😂

shes SUCH a good actor, the hate and strange admiration i have for liandrian is insane

Ahh poor Elayne and Egwene sleeping through everything 😂

@bryancookieface6348

10 ай бұрын

LMFAOOO 😂

This shows how many joined the Dark One for different reasons, but the cultures the Darkfriends were born and raised in divide them. Also, Liandrin and Suroth's rivalry reminds me of how Ishamael joined the Dark One to break the Wheel entirely while the rest of the Forsaken joined for power and petty reasons.

@adapienkowska2605

9 ай бұрын

Ishamael also joined for petty reason, but made up better excuse.

@WardNightstone

2 ай бұрын

none more petty then Lanfear the wheel of times Yandaree

This is a good scene. Does a good job of explaining things without getting too explanatory. Love it!

I don't know if I hate or love Liandrin. The actress is just amazing.Damn❤

Black Cloak over Red outfit. 👍👍👍

Oh my. This is good stuff!

@ryankwon8785

10 ай бұрын

Liandrin and Suroth's rivalry reminds me of how Ishamael joined the Dark One to break the Wheel and the suffering of life entirely while the rest of the Forsaken joined for power and petty reasons. Also, this scene really sets up how complex the Darkfriends are in joining the Dark One.

@leviabtw

10 ай бұрын

I'm scared for Nynaeve and Egwene!!! And I guess Elayne lol

Wake up, Wonder Girls! You're in danger!

they've succeeded in having the Seanchan look truly alien to the rest of Randland my god. basically a beat for beat recreation of the scene in TGH as well 👀

@2brownjalen

10 ай бұрын

Dont you mean Egweneland in the show.

@TheKevinPodcast

10 ай бұрын

@@2brownjalen nope

Wheel of time season 2 is fire so far 🙌😁🔥🔥🔥

Love the music, conflict, etc. Can't wait to see this scene in the context of this week's episode!

This scene was very well done. I'm really looking forward to this episode

@BrandyBee1

10 ай бұрын

Ditto!

@mroverdose14

10 ай бұрын

Best episode yet honestly

Liandrin never realised that she could have collapsed Seanchan society or at least caused a great deal of trouble by shouting out loud that the Sul'dam are also natural born channelers who can channel by themselves rather than thru Damane, ie they are no different from the Damane

@kainschild

9 ай бұрын

It wouldn't have worked. In the books they did a good job of explaining how much of a mark of shame that having the power was to their society as a whole. So no one would have believed her. And if for some reason one or two people would have well they would have been killed quickly. The Seanchan were brutal in the books. Have not watched the show still a little disappointed that the final arc in the novels never got written. Robert Jordan had said that he would end series or have a trilogy after the main story with the Seanchan arc being dealt with. He was kind of vague on the details and from what I understand that was left out of his notes, transcriptions and interviews for Sanderson to finish it.

Now that is an excellent scene! Roll on friday

If you read the books (at least the second) this episode does a great job of bringing this section to life. Small gripe but I don't want to give spoilers. The addition of the forsaken this early isn't bad and doesn't take away from the episode even tho they on Rand so much and don't give as much screen time to the 2 novices and accepted but it's also the best part of the episode so I'm conflicted over it. Still liked it. I hope they don't rush the damami. Hated them in the book and you need a peripheral villain that impossible to like but overshadows the dark one for the moment to make it the stakes real. Best episode of the season so far

“Our suldam train for years unlike you aes Sedai.” Yes they do though.

Kate is such an attractive looking woman when not in the role of Liandrin! What a class actor. I must confess this the first role Ive seen played by Kate Fleetwood. Anything else I should see her in? Im intriguied by her talent.

@redflower4890

10 ай бұрын

I really love her Nancy Birch from Harlots and Lady Macbeth. These are her main roles and she kills them!

@martinacarossino1486

10 ай бұрын

She played Queen Victoria's half-sister in season 3 of ''Victoria''. Her character vas very hateful but she is an amazing actress 🙂

So good

i love show liandrin, i want her to win the show...

Suroth's hair styling and scarification is incredible in concept, but less so in execution. Otherwise, wow what a perfect scene!!

@gizzad

10 ай бұрын

yeah, i don't know why she didnt just go with a real shaved head

@ramielSPE

10 ай бұрын

​@gizzad its not easy convincing people to shave their head. Although if they really wanted the character to have the shaven look, they could've definitely looked for someone else to play the role who's willing to shave.

@Jrr592

10 ай бұрын

For me, I only had a problem with it in THIS specific scene, idk if maybe they had issues this day on set or if it was the lighting, but in her chambers when she’s talking with Ishy it didn’t bother me

this biiiii........ Liandrin gurl, I love to hate you and Kate Fleetwood, I just love you. I knew this season was going to be good, but man!! it really has surpassed my expectations.

This looks and acts like a set in an adult film. And Im loving it. Big cheese.

Strong Chang as Jeff's understudy playing the Dean vibes IYKYK

I love the show, and the books, and Kate Fleetwood's Liandrin... but besties that bald cap is sooo bad 😭

Wow, the bald cap on Suroth looks so bad. It makes her head look like an alien.

#KATE FLEETWOOD AS PRESIDENT

❤❤❤❤❤❤

get her Jade!

Seanchan Empire vs Morgoth's army. Who wins?

@soulfyre6521

3 ай бұрын

probably seanchan because magic is in the hands of more people in the WoT universe

I need some help these guys are the Seanchan not being a reader of the books I thought these must be the dark ones forces last season how do they fit in

@Ceej474

10 ай бұрын

They’re a different nation from across the sea who want to reclaim ‘their’ land. Their customs are very different. High Lady Suroth (bald woman) is shown to be working with Ishamael, and her conversation with Liandrin indicates they are both allied with the Shadow. However, you will see that the Seanchan empire are not a nation of darkfriends collectively, but they do pose a threat for other reasons.

@Verhen_n

10 ай бұрын

An easy analogy is Seanchan are like second world war Japan with aspirations to conquer Korea and China. I always viewed them in this way. They are like Roman Empire with culture and aspirations of Japan and geography of Indonesia. Robert Jordan combined different historical aspects to one character or one in nation like Artur Hawking is part King Arthur Pendragon, part Alexander the great in the way he conquers all known land at such young age and part Charlemagne in way he mimicked his rift with clergy despite doing their job.

@phillipmotbey765

10 ай бұрын

Thank you this is very enlightening

Why’d they take my girl Suroths eyebrows 😭

Could it be that the blonde damane is Alivia?

All marath'damane

spoil me about her fate in the novel

Who do they mean by "our master". Is it Ishamael? Someone let me know

@redflower4890

10 ай бұрын

Yes, it's him

@BoetPrince

10 ай бұрын

The Dark One

Wait what. Master who? Oh she’s a baddie?

@redflower4890

10 ай бұрын

She's talking about Ishamael

@cancelpolice3731

10 ай бұрын

@@redflower4890 So her master is a Forsaken? She’s one of those people in the table shrouded in black then I guess

@redflower4890

10 ай бұрын

@@cancelpolice3731 Yes, you're right. Liandrin was at the darkfriend social. I immediately recognized her by her body language and the shape of the nails. She clenched her hand into a fist when Ishamael was talking about Rand. I've noticed this habit in her before

@oluade626

10 ай бұрын

@@redflower4890she wears a glove how can you see her nails.

@redflower4890

10 ай бұрын

@@oluade626 when she clenched her fist, one or two of her nails pressed hard against the glove. It was enough to see that she had small square nails.

😲😲😲😲😲

that busted looking prosthetic is killing me 😭

So they do still use collars? Guess the gags are an aesthetic choice.

Looking forward to the collars around all three girls.

@mroverdose14

10 ай бұрын

Not quite

@dyslexicultimatum5318

10 ай бұрын

@@mroverdose14 missed opportunity

@mroverdose14

10 ай бұрын

@@dyslexicultimatum5318 agreed, but they setting up the yellow so you need them to make introductions. They at least doing better than season 1.

The scene is fine, but I can’t help but cringe at Suroth’s lines. It’s not what she’s saying, but it’s how she’s saying them (why is she bobbing her head so much; it’s distractingly obvious she’s acting).

Why is Suroth speaking ? Great scene tho

@adamstevens1083

10 ай бұрын

She speaks in the corresponding scene from the books. Can't really have her Voice do this on her behalf.

The script worked in the books, but on screen, it just doesn't feel right for Liandrin to be patient enough to hear everything Suroth had to say. Anyway, I don't mind the hairstyle, pretty book accurate, but the actress probably has a lot of hair, so after hiding the hair under prosthetic scalp and makeup, her head is awfully big. This will probably trigger a lot of ranting from bookcloaks even though book accurate is exactly what they have been screaming for.

The Seanchan seem to be the one thing the show is getting right.

@Oerwinde

10 ай бұрын

I don't get the weird face shit with the Sul'dam and Damane though.

@Pepitobenito

10 ай бұрын

@Oerwinde It's weird but I think they're heavily leaning into the alien/foreign aspect of the Seanchan, so I can live with it.

@PeterDoughman

9 ай бұрын

Having them have American accents is a very weird choice though.

@erinknightingale251

4 ай бұрын

They specifically have a slurred accent no one can understand so it check out, also aren’t the sanchen a representation of the us?

I guess it’s a good idea that they just included High Lady Suroth and not High Lord Turak

@sVieira151

10 ай бұрын

Turak is included, just not in this scene

Kate the actress that you are 🧎🏻‍♀️🧎🏻‍♀️🧎🏻‍♀️

that bald cap is distracting. it would look better if they had actually shaved her head, but i guess that would be too much to ask of an actor

@allanjones1321

10 ай бұрын

Looking forward to Austin Butler as Feyd in Dune. Prepared to shave his head to look badass, even though not in the books.

Suroth looks like Austin Butler

Great scene, acting & dialogues are good. My only issue is the face paint on the Suldam & the mouth gag on the Damane makes them look a bit like a poor cosplay at Comic Con

@nabilmuhammadsani2827

10 ай бұрын

Mouth gag, yes!! Face paint, I think I like those.

@Verhen_n

10 ай бұрын

They are meant to be like that, they are meant to be displayed as Aliens, they are looking aliens to mainland

Eh, should have set up the factions better if they wanted this to land.

No hard feelings towards Liandrin but if I didn't know anything, I would assume she's the main character instead of Rand since we barely see him.

@weirdo56

10 ай бұрын

I’m hoping rand will have his big moment in Falme during the finale.

@seanlamont8501

10 ай бұрын

Rand is not the main character of Wheel of Time. In book three you hardly see him at all. And then in other books I honestly almost forgot about him at certain parts. I get what you're saying though.

@gabnel1000

10 ай бұрын

Honestly Rand feels like a side character in the TV Show

@gabnel1000

10 ай бұрын

@@seanlamont8501 what do you mean. Rand is not the main character in the wheel of time, who is the main character then?

@seanlamont8501

10 ай бұрын

@@gabnel1000 There isn't one. Of course you have your primary characters, including Rand, but depending on which book you're reading it's Egwene who is the main character, or Elayne, or Mat, or Perin ... etc... In no single book do we stay with Rand throughout its entirety. That's why the series is called Wheel of Time, not "The Dragon Reborn"

This looks absolutely terrible

This is... kinda like the book? I mean a soap opera feel to what i read. The dialog choices are cringy.

@francisco2013

10 ай бұрын

Lots of the dialogue is verbatim from the books? "Yet even our master’s needs will change with time. All marath’damane will be leashed eventually. Perhaps I will be the one who places the collar around your lovely throat.” “As you say, Suroth. Our master’s needs will change. I will remind you of it on the day when you kneel to me.”

@fardareismai4495

10 ай бұрын

It's so funny to see complaints about things directly taken from the books. There will be things that don't translate well even if it's directly lifted from the books, that's the nature of adaptation...

@jelgerwoudstra9640

10 ай бұрын

@@fardareismai4495 It's funny that for this scene aswell as the Dark Friend Social scene, the dialogue that is under scrutiny is directly from the book. Sometimes dialogue may work well when written, but when spoken sounds cringy.

@fardareismai4495

10 ай бұрын

@@jelgerwoudstra9640 Exactly, which is why adaptation is such a fine balancing act... a lot of stuff from the books is a little stiff when spoken out loud, that's the nature of the written word vs the spoken word. That said, it's cool to see some lines that I recognise haha

@matthewhodges7444

10 ай бұрын

@@fardareismai4495 yes it feels like they are reading directly from a page. The acting skills of a 5th grader reading out loud to his class. And yes, they start this off with changes before they carelessly pluck out a section of the book.

Season 2 very disappointed and slow. They're showing powerless main characters from episode 1 till now in this season. Very stretching storyline and boring 😑😢 missed season 1

@Alejojojo6

10 ай бұрын

Nonsense. Season 1 is REALLY REALLY Bad. Season 2 is an improvement and closer to the books.

Wow, this is bad. Bad bald cap. Also, are they purposefully trying to find the strangest looking women out there for all the rolls?

So, actress did well. On the other hand, Seanchan look too bright and too comfort. Did they understand that those women are slaves? Did writers understand anything from the Wheel of Time books? A much better question.. xD

@DeadsySedai

10 ай бұрын

What are you talking about?

@fardareismai4495

10 ай бұрын

The Seanchan always look immaculate, except after battle I suppose. Lady Suroth is nobility, and there are plenty of scenes where it's described how the Sul'dam "lovingly" take care of their Damane's appearance. Nobody is going to look shabby here...

@elanmorintedronai9562

10 ай бұрын

@@DeadsySedaiTalking about this alphabet adaptation by an alphabet troll Rafe. This has nothing to do with the Wheel of Time.

@jonahdav9589

10 ай бұрын

the showrunners do not respect the source material but rather hate it. This is 1984 replacement time for them.

Omg! Bleh! On the one positive hand they show a little bit of lesser known knowledge about Ishamael and one of the Dooms he sent in motion (The Seanchan's corrupted prophecy, the leashes, and Hawkwings hatred of the Aes Sedai). On the other hand, this is shot so badly, the lighting is wrong, the editing is really bad, there's way too much silence. The girls are just lying there why? They should be leashed already, right? And they're speaking about their Master out in the open as if the whole of the Seanchan empire are down with the Dark One! Which by the way gives a clue to a future plotline possibly being completely removed (Demandred and the Sharans). Because yeah sure, in book, Suroth is a darkfriend but they Liandrinn and Suroth met in secret, because no one is supposed to know you're a darkfriend, right? But in show, Ishy is chilling, out in the open, with the Seanchan. And here we are, Liandrinn and Suroth talking about their Master? Suroth has no Master other than the Empress, may she live forever.... Out in the open, right? WTF!!! What are they effing doing?

@yetanotherhma2

10 ай бұрын

in books liandian and suroth dont meet in some secret one on one. There are literally atleast 50+ as written in books. Reference para 3 chapter 40 TGH. They literally say those exact lines also about their master .

@sharp7467

10 ай бұрын

They didn’t meet in secret when she dropped off the girls..bro hahaha people like to shit on the show and can’t remember scenes

@francisco2013

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, plenty of things to be annoyed about. This ain't it though. Great scene lifted from the books

@Jrdn357

10 ай бұрын

Dude, read the books. These lines about their Master are lifted word for word from the books, and there are at least 50 Seanchan in attendance during this meeting. This show is flawed, there are a lot of problems, but seriously? Your going to complain about what's actually IN THE BOOKS??

@PlaysAsHessalam

10 ай бұрын

​@@Jrdn357 I'm pretty convinced the clowns that hate on the show the most never actually read the books.

What a horribly written show.

worst fun fiction ever.

@jonahdav9589

10 ай бұрын

This darkfiend rafe version is a fan-enemy 1984 style adaptation with large doses of hatred for the author, Robert Jordan.