I like the idea of Baby not caring about the other funtimes and only used them for her benefit to escape

@jingerjoy6760

Жыл бұрын

Like father like daughter.

@naturescorruptedinfactorie8062

Жыл бұрын

@@jingerjoy6760 daaaaaaamn

@Captain_Rye

Жыл бұрын

In which the other Funtimes later kicked her out of Ennard because of this-

@RainenStar2264

Жыл бұрын

Ngl i could totally see her doing this

@michaelraymon111

Жыл бұрын

That's cringe. Why does she have to be completely evil?

I wish they had never tried to make William an evil mastermind who is directly responsible for every bad thing ever. If you just look at the first apperences of Springtrap, Baby, and a lot of the conceptual stuff about Vanny, this franchise could have had three distinctly scary unique villains, but because they are so desperate to tie everything together and have William personally directly responsible for everything the wound up just making him dull and inconsistent and Baby/Vanny just interchangeable henchwomen. I wish the idea of Springtrap was still a shambling corpse, half conscious and half programing. I wish Baby was still a manipulative scheming and calculating monster. I wish Vanny had been allowed to have... any personality or screen time beyond some very barebones stuff.

@sonic8005

Жыл бұрын

My headcanon is that Glitchtrap is not William but rather Circus Baby who goes on to posses Vanessa... Not perfect but I thought it works

@mid-knight6528

Жыл бұрын

It'd be so cool to have a Circus Baby reveal in SB, would honestly raise my opinion of the game a bit (Although admittedly, I do like the game. It's got its issues, but the characters and atmosphere really help me look passed them. I get that not everyone likes it, which I get, but I just can't hate it.)

@somechupacabrawithinternet8866

Жыл бұрын

not gonna lie i would work for baby if she was real minus the scooper as i would love to stay alive ad don't get me wrong if baby wanted to use that thing on me i would allow it on the condition that i feel no pain or the least amount of pain, no pain and that's a deal

@pennyforyourthots

Жыл бұрын

Even if you wanted him to be the center of basically everything bad in this universe, him being a mastermind is clearly not the way to do it. He's a terrible person and the serial killer sure, but he's kind of just a regular serial killer. The better way to do it would be to have the trauma he caused me the inspiration for more villains, but not have them be subservient to him. Like, circus baby could have been her own standalone antagonist whose villainy is the result of William Afton, but she has her own plans and goals.

@c.ccarlhead5744

Жыл бұрын

I the part that has always scared me the most about William Afton as a villain was not all the soul catchy stuff (which some of it is admittedly kinda cool in concept) but the idea that this guy was a complete narcissist that all it took was being booted from his franchise to make him just get into a drunken stupor and kill the innocent child of his cofounder. The most scary aspect to me was the power he had over those children. How much of a coward he had to be to abuse his kids who were helpless. He's like any abuser, an abuser that attacks the most helpless people around them and gets sick satisfaction from that. I think the engineering child soul catching machines would fit well with Vanny who is very meticulous about her persona and doesn't commit crimes of passion but rather very calculated murders. Or better yet Baby could've been the one to make the technology because of how she was abused by William and has a desire to inflict that pain on other children.

One thing i always felt is that Ballora should've had more screentime, as it's kinda implaed that she has some type of rivality with Baby, as she is the only one who doesn't help with the escape plan, and how Baby seems to not like her, even more than the others

@staydetermined6717

Жыл бұрын

Omg ballora deserved so much better wish we got to see a scarp version of her or something in fnaf 6

@aromaladyellie

Жыл бұрын

I think Ballora was against the plan entirely and against hurting anyone but Baby forced her to be scrapped to force her to leave with them. She needed Ballora. That might explain why Baby hates her so much.

@staydetermined6717

Жыл бұрын

Imagine if after a while they kicked out lizzie ballora kicked herself out as well-

@xxspicytacoxx1861

Жыл бұрын

Me and a friend actually had an idea of how to improve security breach by having ballora in it Basically a broken down version of her would be with Gregory in the alleyway, just outside the pizza plex, and after teaching you the movement with some trash cans with flashlights taped onto them to avoid staff bots, you would hear something loud coming, and ballora would tell Gregory to run away, but Gregory being the child, hides inside a dumpster nearby, Monty then comes out and asks ballora who she was talking to. When ballora refuses to admit Monty would smash ballora to disrepair, after monty leaves Gregory would run to the remains and hear the last couple of words along the lines of "I know where your friend is, search for Freddy he can help you find your friend" or something and then shut down, Gregory would then enter the pizza plex through the loading bay and then have to run from some staff bots and Vanessa who will say something of "I'm just trying to help you" before you run to a charging station and black out then reawake find your way to the stage and crawl inside the shut down Freddy which leads to the start of the game

@BunBunFNAF

Жыл бұрын

Having Ballora have something against Circus Baby could be amazing to have!

Baby was peak angry little girl characterization. Her writing was so convincing as a vengeful, manipulative, little girl. She really did sound like a muderous animatronic mixed with a confused little girl. At first youd think its the animatronic is dangerous but no, it seems like the little girl inside has realized she is now the scary dangerous animatronic. And she can use it to get what she wants, freedom and revenge.

@HyperSpeed657

9 ай бұрын

Your right that was revenge was going to be on William Afton until fnaf 6 the books came in and ruined everything saying now Elizbeath wants to make her father proud why can't they just keep the universe separated like Elizbeath from the fourth closet wants to help her father and make him proud. While the other one wants to brutally kill her father and make him pay for everything, he's done to her tossing her to the side like garbage in the original sister location there was no sign of Elizbeath wanted to make William proud after being killed no she wanted to leave the underground faculty and get her blood thirsty revenge against William like the other animatronics do also its even know Circus Baby not stupid.

Thank you for telling the truth about Vanny's outfit. I said it once and I'll say it again, Vanny is far too sexualised to be scary. She just swishes her hips and hops about like the Cadbury carmel bunny and it's not scary at all. They could of made her scary by putting her in a massive mascot suit like one you see at football games. Something bulky, covered in dried blood, big and looming inside of bunny Harley Quinn.

@clownetto981

Жыл бұрын

@@PopGoesMyBall I am a woman, mate

@wolfenden9805

Жыл бұрын

@@PopGoesMyBall you got wooshed

@ExValeFor

Жыл бұрын

Vanny is designed for fangirls to cosplay and obsess over. Man, if they put this out back when tumblr was at its peak, it would've been huge.

@ultmateragnarok8376

Жыл бұрын

Even the animators at SteelWool did well with Vanny's model when it comes to the creepier movements, but those were simply never added. And I do wonder if that's why.

@Lechgang

Жыл бұрын

@@ultmateragnarok8376 Game was rushed, and Vanny was already bugged.

Something interesting I can potentially add. When Michael said that they didn’t recognize him at first, he probably referred to the Funtimes excluding Baby, as he then says afterwards “And I found her” as if he’s separating her specifically. Perhaps Baby is Elizabeth, yet she doesn’t fully comprehend this truth, as she has care and support for Afton yet refers to Elizabeth as another. As the series has shown us, the dead tend to forget, and even Henry says in Pizzeria Simulator “I’m sorry to interrupt you Elizabeth, if you still even remember that name.” It could be her, yet the murderous programming of Baby corrupted her soul. With this being a potential explanation, her character can still work in between games

@karak962

Жыл бұрын

that's how I always took it!!! I think that Elizabeth started to show herself more and more. I think she hopes William will still care for her, finally give her a reason to exist. "Why did that happen?" I think Elizabeth is hurt and confused about why William did this to her.

@awesomust

Жыл бұрын

@@karak962 That’s what I believe happened when Michael said he put her back together. He helped her remember who she truly is

@SC-ec8xe

Жыл бұрын

I like this. I didn't think about quite like that but this actually makes a lot of sense narratively too. Thanks for sharing.

@Evie0h

Жыл бұрын

Oh this is what I had always picked up on, I never realized that actually wasn’t clear, or supposed to be. I had thought Baby didn’t realize what she truly is or who is truly around her

@Sapphiretodentistry

11 ай бұрын

Wait so she isn’t evil?

I think this is the reason of why i love *I Can't Fix You Remix* The version of Baby in the song depics her as someone who lost all the respect and admiration she once had for her father, Showing all the pain he caused, And she literally ripped one of his arms off, I wish we got that type of Baby in Pizzeria Simulator

@morganthematerialgirl6226

Жыл бұрын

What time is that at when baby rips of aftons arm

@corey4370

Жыл бұрын

Instead we got the “we can do it together, daddy.” Baby. Completely disgraced

@DecepticonFan21

Жыл бұрын

@@morganthematerialgirl6226 It's in the last verse on the Cg5 remix of *I Can't Fix You*

@PopGoesMyBall

Жыл бұрын

Thats how shes potrayed in Fourth Closet to an extent

@PancakemonsterFO4

Жыл бұрын

@@corey4370 Harley Quinn but in reverse (and it´s not just because she´s a clown)

Baby could've, and really should've stayed as her own character, with no retcons or changed motives. Had Sister Location been the last we had seen of her, I believe that Baby would have felt much better as a character and her motives would be fulfilled, now living a new life as Ennard. Since she continued on into Pizzeria Sim, she should have stuck as Ennard with none of the Molten Freddy silliness, making the ending to SL more meaningful as her goal has been completed and she still can continue on with the rest of her plans. There should have just been someone else to fill in the role of Afton follower, maybe not Vanny as she didn't come in until later, but someone else as a placeholder for Vanny or someone Vanny kills as she wants to take the mantle as Afton's main follower. Definitely wasn't worth ruining Baby's character over, should've come up with something else

@skeletor4436

Жыл бұрын

There was no retcons with baby

@PancakemonsterFO4

Жыл бұрын

Sometimes if feels like i´m the only one who really digs the idea of Ennard

@forkalamari6093

Жыл бұрын

See like Baby shouldn’t have been turned into “daddy’s girl 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😈😈😈😈😈😈.” She could have been still resentful. My rewrite would make her a semi-good guy like the MCI kids. Same motives, just different targets. Circus Baby is honestly a really good character and with Scrap Baby’s design would have been perfect imo.

@Falloutlover1011

Жыл бұрын

@@skeletor4436 Her entire personality was retconned.

@demilung

Жыл бұрын

Oh fuck off. I can't stand people coming up on a sole creator of the thing they supposedly enjoy and going "you've ruined this thing that completely came fro your mind! You should do it by MY wishes!" You all are treating it like Baby is some existing tragic character that was mistreated by the people adapting it, not a thing that was created by Scott in its entirety.

The thing that bugs me about the whole Pizza Simulator thing is that Baby's plan could have just as easily been to lure her father into the pizza complex and punish him for what he's done to her- and then be cut off by Henry, or have Baby and Henry be reluctant allies who've been working together all along, or have them have been allied but Baby was unaware that Henry's final plan was to burn her along with everything else.

@soupshee

Жыл бұрын

I think her still wanting to make her dad proud showed that she was still a child an just wanted to be loved by her father still as a kid it's hard to see that ppl u look up to are bad sometimes

@syweb2

Жыл бұрын

@@soupshee Given how manipulative she was toward someone she thought was William in SL, her original characterization probably lost any fondness she might have once had for him before her tragic rewrite.

@zamzamhassan2985

9 ай бұрын

@@syweb2You know, while the other Funtimes thought he was William, it’s possible that Elizabeth herself recognized him as Micheal. I mean, he’s family so she’d be more inclined to recognize him than the others. It would explain why she killed Mike but still loved William.

@syweb2

9 ай бұрын

@@zamzamhassan2985 Alternatively, SL Baby could be controlled more by Circus Baby's original programming, while Scrap Baby is controlled more by Elizabeth.

@zamzamhassan2985

9 ай бұрын

@@syweb2 That also makes sense.

Circus Baby is a great example of the loss of direction Fnaf has had since the fourth game. The stories afterwards have tried resurrecting a storyline that the 3rd and 4th game ended effectively, which had led to a slew of retcons and repetitive plot points that seem to be an endless loop to the point that the writers seem to have no idea of what they want to do with the rapidly overexpanding lore and characters, circus baby being one of them.

@kaiserreichempireofohio834

Жыл бұрын

If you ask me, the 4th game should have ended the original saga full stop, with the next game being unrelated to the Aftons, and any other canonical game afterwards being focused on other characters

@roxycauldwell544

Жыл бұрын

Probably because FNAF became a directionless lore baiting cash grab

@waluigiisthebest2802

Жыл бұрын

The problem is that Fnaf 4 raised more questions than answers, and it’s speculated that the original ending would have implied all the games were just a dying child’s dream. But “all just a dream” is a terrible, half-assed explanation. The problem is that now you need to come up with explanations for all the weird crap in Fnaf 4, which includes illusion disks, Fred bear being remote controlled (even though he teleports), and the ever-elusive box. So basically, Scott written himself into a corner, coming up with one idea, then scrapping the idea, and scrambling to explain all the weirdness that happened.

@psycless

Жыл бұрын

i am so sick and tiredd of purple guy. he's lost all his scariness at this point for me

@justice8718

Жыл бұрын

@@psycless The purple guy is literally the daddy bear now. "But it's Michael", Michael is nothing like this bear and fnaf4 William in being a fatherly figure that stalks his little boy all day. The Retro CDs make it canon that William Afton is biased as shit to his little boy.

Honestly if they kept the old personality. Would’ve been hilarious to potentially hear in the vents Baby arguing with Afton and the two of them not getting anywhere.

@garlicamvs6235

Жыл бұрын

Imagine if it was a gameplay mechanic where if you lure two animatronics to the same room they start arguing or something and you get some lore dumps for the story

@neneenenejrkerre1828

Жыл бұрын

@@garlicamvs6235 ORVILLE!!!! IM NOT GETTING YOU ANY MORE BREAD!!!

@ganja_burn_9516

Жыл бұрын

She would prob kill her dad for getting her stuck, she’s aware of the real world outside the pizzeria in her voice lines, she wants to be free

@SteveCrafts2k

11 ай бұрын

@@neneenenejrkerre1828 Mr. Hippo: Orville, you need an intervention.

@nametheocmaker

9 ай бұрын

what if she fakes being subservient to afton to try to get him killed

I think Baby's need to make William proud makes sense for her since she's possessed by Elizabeth, so maybe that side of her personality is Elizabeth taking over and wanting to do anything to earn her father's respect. And the other part of Baby is her A.I. which was specifically designed to kill. I think that Idea of Baby (and maybe the rest of the Funtimes) being this confused entity made up off multiple personalities (A.I. versus human spirt) is a really cool concept that sadly hasn't been fully realized in a game or book yet. But I hope Baby will return as the main villain in a future book or game and those aspects of her character can be explored more.

@PopGoesMyBall

Жыл бұрын

Baby is shown as having one personality and mind though, not multiple, same with rest of the funtimes

@ivebenhere1843

Жыл бұрын

@@PopGoesMyBall I was referring to Elizabeth vs the AI programming. Even though the spirits in the animatronics are able to act independently from their animatronic bodies to an extent, it’s heavily implied in all of the games that the animatronics AI can (at times) interfere with the intentions of the spirit possessing them. For instance, Springtrap in fnaf 3 is possessed by William and his main goal is to kill the night guard, Michael, but the springlock suits are programmed to turn and walk to sounds. That’s why he is “tricked” by the Balloon Boy audio in fnaf 3, it’s not that William is that dumb and can’t understand that that isn’t really the sound of a child right next to him, but it’s the AI of the Springlock suit that’s preventing him from killing you. There are also examples of this in Security Breach, even though Chica is being possessed by Glitchtrap she will frequently ignore Gregory to look for food because her personality chip is said to be malfunctioning. I think it would be interesting for future games to expand on the idea of AI vs human consciousness because even though there are hints of these themes across various books and games, it’s still mostly up to interpretation if these themes are even relevant to the story or if they are only there as a way to explain the game’s mechanics in the plot.

@PopGoesMyBall

Жыл бұрын

@@ivebenhere1843 well yeah the spirots are still restricted by the bodies they inhabit. Also i wouldnt say Glamrock Chica is possesed, but that shes "infected"

@ivebenhere1843

Жыл бұрын

@@PopGoesMyBall yeah I know. I just brought up the A.I. stuff in my original comment as a possible way to explain Baby's weird character shift from sl to pizza sim. I could easily be wrong, I just want future books or games to explore her character more, maybe somehow explain why she was ejected from Ennard in a short story instead of a few lines of dialog between Baby and Ennard on Scott's websites.

@PopGoesMyBall

Жыл бұрын

@@ivebenhere1843 I agree! I really love Babys character (and ennards too)

finally someone mentioned the weird treatment of the female characters

Hear me out. Before being possessed by Elizabeth, Baby was already a malicious and intelligent AI, this is probably who wants revenge on William and resents their treatment by the company. Elizabeth the star child probably doesn't understand why what happened happened and loves her dad. This would explain Baby talking about Elizabeth as a separate entity, when she leaves Ennard and builds herself a body from scrap she might not have that complex circuitry and is now mostly Elizabeth allowing the roles to reverse. Fnaf 1 animatronics have set movement patterns and are piloted by ghosts, but unlike all previous animatronics Baby would have had thoughts, experience and memories pre possession. Leaving an AI vs ghost situation, like it is the first instance of something like G. Freddy fighting back against Burntrap. Edit: Only grammar, I lost the heart because I edited for grammar 😅

@PopGoesMyBall

Жыл бұрын

I completely agree

@ImmortalAbsol

Жыл бұрын

@@PopGoesMyBall ☺️

@PokeX14

Жыл бұрын

I also agree

@ImmortalAbsol

Жыл бұрын

@@PokeX14 Yay, validation 😂 Ty ty.

@somechupacabrawithinternet8866

Жыл бұрын

and fnaf 2 is a prequel thank you for watch

Ngl part of why I hate what happened to Baby so much is that we so rarely get female villains who are terrible people, do terrible things, and when their Tragic Backstory is revealed they don’t immediately because Weak and Feminine, and they just get to be BAD and NOT a “femme fatal”. Baby is threatening and scary because she’s a giant animatronic designed to murder and manipulate children, not because “ooooh she’s SEXY and she’s gonna STAB YOU while trying to kiss you 😱😱😱”. She’s the opposite! And that’s way more interesting! And you could make her a boy and she would barely change! And then they ruined it for what??? To make her more conventionally attractive??? That’s so dumb???????? She’s not scary anymore. There’s absolutely nothing even unsettling about her. UGH.

@Artist_shabo

4 ай бұрын

The result kf fantasizes and how men see women, sexism

Since Baby is the Golden Child abuse victim of her narcissist father, I do think it makes sense that she would go and try to make her father proud. Though considering the Funtimes used Micheal as a skinsuit under the assumption he was William (either figuring out later he wasn't or not, and whether by just visuals or due to being under a manipulative stance made from lies by Elizabeth and Baby not caring due to her own abusive development and programming giving her similar traits to William), I also see and understand that at least in some part Baby is mad about her own dad essentially killing her, or conversely about her brother killing her other brother, or both. But due to her unhealthy attachment to William she cannot truly let go of him after being in such squalor and left as scrap and garbage alongside her compromised and broken mental state. If she were somehow reprogrammed or got therapy perhaps she could have at least not become a full monster, but obviously since she is basically a public eyesore or seen as a toy (much like she saw Baby before death, as any kid would reasonably think) throughout the unfortunate majority of her existence, and is not even slightly approachable by the time she is part of Ennard or as Scrap Baby in either body or mind, there would be no way of saving her.

@justice8718

Жыл бұрын

I don't know about William being abusive in the games. Henry strikes me far more of an abusive father/figure from his background details and how depressed Charlie truly is in PS in comparison to Molten Freddy and Baby. In fact, SL only happened because William couldn't override Henry's influence (the control shocks) on the SL. It's madly suspicious that the SL funtime animatronics are finalized with MCI souls AFTER William is canonically given the boot for the MCI. William couldn't have done this. He could've stored their remnant during the MCI event, but that story was given to the man that cared for the MCI children, not the killer...

Everyday I weep for the amount of fanservice our poor clown is subjected to. Her name is Circus *BABY*, the animatronic itself is so child-coded, with the way she walks in HW and her dialogue in sisterlocation having child-like isms like the use of "dummy". Scrap Baby also just... demolished her characterization, made her into a "daddy's girl" instead of the cunning and self-aware animatronic she was before. Given that they thought Michael was Will, I find it likely that she was angry at William and wanted revenge for how they mistreated her, which like, fair. I do feel as though some part of her did regret what she did, but she is playing it up to make it seem as though it's haunting her constantly. Scott why do you introduce good ideas and then just demolish them with a sledgehammer.

@PancakemonsterFO4

Жыл бұрын

Because bad ideas ALWAYS COME BACK

@kittennight3305

Жыл бұрын

@@PancakemonsterFO4 I don't think that that was scotts idea... Well I don't think the books were Scott's idea to turn baby into...a hot women.

@cajunking5987

Жыл бұрын

I can’t take anybody seriously when they use terms like ____-coded lmao

@mid-knight6528

Жыл бұрын

Scott's an odd dude. He doesn't seem to know what he wants to do with most of his concepts.

@brigade7678

Жыл бұрын

@@mid-knight6528 He had one huge success shape his entire career. There is a huge likelihood he would prefer to just move on but knows this is his Cash Cow. So there HAS to be more and more and more- if its just tacking on more story for the sake of keeping the Brand going then artistic vision really has no place to grow. Sadly....

this video better explained the parallels between elizabeth and vanessa than any theory video claiming that they're literally the same person.

@notrealnamenotatall2476

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

I’ve been kind of annoyed by the fact that her entire character is basically obsessed with making her obviously psychopathic father proud of her. It’s in almost all the fanmade Alternate universes and everything too. Why can’t she have a different purpose?

@aeshaahme3774

Жыл бұрын

Well, how can we know that she has a personality of her own tho? WHAT makes us think that she was different than the others? For all we know, it can be that Elizabeth is in disguise trying to sound as poor and mishandled animatronic with its own AI. Why would Elizabeth soul go full “Yeah, this animatronic uses me, I won’t control it, it’s fine.”

I really wish they would've just focused on how terrifying a 500 pound, 7 foot tall, possessed clown robot is 😭

Possible theory: Its obvious that Circus Baby hates William as she is trying to kill the security guard in Sister Location because she thinks he's William. So after she escapes and becomes Scrap Baby, she might be pretending to be a "daddy's girl" to earn his trust so she can lure him somewhere and torture him like she clearly wanted to in Sister Location. But then Cassidy does that for her by trapping him in his own personal hell, and she sees her opportunity to torture him endlessly. I get this from Circus Baby's and Scap Baby's voice lines in UCN because saying things like "Let's see how many pieces I can cut you into" and "You won't die, but you'll wish you could" doesn't really sound like she likes him very much. So her personality (or lack thereof) in Pizzaria Simulator could just be an act for her own motives. But like I said, that's just a possible theory. P.s. Sorry if this doesn't make much sense.

@sailorpolka

Жыл бұрын

Its stuff like this that makes me wish fans write fnaf

@LanaTheSockPuppeteer

Жыл бұрын

Ngl that's actually an amazing theory

@ladybug8851

Жыл бұрын

@@LanaTheSockPuppeteer ty

@justice8718

Жыл бұрын

I don't think so. Scrap Baby and the Lefty reference their torture devices way too much and those torture devices are more easily linkable to Henry Emily, whom they are aware and scared of.

@syweb2

Жыл бұрын

@@justice8718 Henry doesn't have anything to do with the Funtimes in the games, though, so Baby's torture device is squarely on William's shoulders - she was property of _Afton_ Robotics, after all.

Baby should never have been hinted to be or have aspirations to be an antagonist past just escaping the Rental facility in Sister Location. She shouldn't have been malicious past lashing out at Afton Robotics and Fazbear Entertainment. She should have, if anything, been a tragic character. Elizabeth was just a little girl who wanted to play with robot who was designed for her by her father, and then left to waste away in an underground facility, having to deal with electric shocks for years. She shouldn't be idolizing her father. She should be resenting him. Then she scooped out her own brother, Michael seems to believe she thought he was William rather than himself and she was willing to scoop him then. What I think should have happened while she and the others were lurking in the sewers is that she realizes that was Michael instead of William. . The point was gonna be that she would be distraught but then again, Michael bullied their other brother so maybe Elizabeth would resent him too. Maybe they keep roaming around, hiding in the shadows, find a kid, try to entertain, but the Funtime's programming forces them to kill the child because William wanted murder drones, and then they become absolutely distraught. All of them, really, and then they come to resent William Afton even more now and go to FFPP to kill William.

@sp00k1tty

Жыл бұрын

ooooo youre making me wanna write a fix-it fic so bad where this is canon

The biggest issue for me with peepaw and baby’s dynamic in the books is that Peepaw just doesn’t do anything to justify how much devotion Baby has for her. He doesn’t pray on her insecurities, doesn’t even do the barest of minimums to act decent with her, hell he barely interacts with her in the books other than to order her to do things and then being a dick. The only justification that baby has for working with peepaw is that he just isn’t Henry (which admittedly says more about book henry than it does about peepaw). And you might come to the conclusion that maybe peepaw tampered with her programming but admittedly we know from the fourth closet’s ending and also SB that he’s kinda shit at getting robots to obey him (peepaw, stuffing your kidneys inside of a robot is not an effective way to control your creations. Your just wasting perfectly good kidneys at that point). Tldr: Book baby suffers the most from being tied to peepaw causing his narrative weightlessness to rub off on her bringing down the whole story >~

@fohb7291

Жыл бұрын

It's probably becuase william is her dad 🗿 you're overthinking it

Thank You for making a video about Lizzy, she's such an underrated villain. I honestly believe it would've been better if Glitchtrap turned out to be Elizabeth, the plottwist would hit so hard, seeing her pretending as a virus. Without bringing back William, it would fix "making her father proud", and then dying immediatly, she would come back, as all Aftons do. Also I love the way You mimic Baby's voice, it's funny.

@notrealnamenotatall2476

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. XD

@theftking

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but like... imagine the reveal that Glitchtrap is _Elizabeth._ That'd be such a _"wtf?"_ moment XD

@nashthomas1843

Жыл бұрын

While I don't mind the idea of Elizabeth coming back as the Glitch instead of William (I also think she is such an underrated villain), I think it would be better to just make her a Glitchbaby so people are prepared for what they are getting and not baiting them into thinking it's William only to reveal it's not, because trust me, Liz being freed in 6 would be the last thing people would be getting upset about, there are a lot of William fans who would get pissed off lol

@Icommitwarcrimestoo

Жыл бұрын

We still do have the theory that Elizabeth is behind fanzbear entertainment so in theory she could still be the big bad that is left to be revealed(ps, I also think elizabeth is a super underrated vilain)

@liliowy

Жыл бұрын

@@theftking oh shit it’s that weird dog thing

I couldn’t help but notice that you mentioned Circus Baby’s voice changed and you suggested it was just Scott trying to initially conceptualize Circus Baby but I’m Dawko’s FNaF show Heather Masters (Circus Baby’s Voice Actor) said that Scott completely changed Circus Baby’s voice and that she didn’t know why Scott changed how Circus Baby spoke. My theory is that Scott initially wanted Baby to feel more robotic and as time passed she began to feel more and more sentient.

I prefer to believe "Scrap Baby" is actually Elizabeth possessing Baby's body and voice box, while the original Baby A.I. remains with Molten Freddy. Like she couldn't possess the animatronic like others because of the A.I. in the way, but with the chip gone it was free real state. It even makes the last message in Pizzaria Simulator make more sence. Maybe the one telling Michel Afton "you can't die" was Elizabeth as well? And both then became Scrap Baby while the barf became Molten F. ?

I remember being hyped to play Sister Location because Baby's design was the eeriest so far to me, then the game released and she had less screentime than even Vanny did in Security Breach

@notrealnamenotatall2476

Жыл бұрын

At least she had more voice lines. ;)

@slyhunter

Жыл бұрын

@@notrealnamenotatall2476 Ahh, now THAT is certainly true

@fohb7291

Жыл бұрын

None of them really had any screen time. Most of them time you can't even see them

@powrur

6 ай бұрын

She didn’t even have a jumpscare too

@cawareyoudoin7379

5 ай бұрын

Well, she didn't have much screentime, but she had a lot of PRESENCE.

I didn't realize baby was _7ft tall_ , absolutely horrifying

And to think that there was so much potential to explore what happened to Baby after SL… Like how did she rebuild herself, did she try to have like this local cryptid sort of lifestyle, did she still want to be able to live among humans, etc. There could’ve been some really great opportunities for character development, but I guess this is what happens when you try to overachieve stuff instead of stopping from milking the Afton plotline and try new things with the series. Man, fnaf was much more interesting when the ourple guy wasn’t so… uh, the center of everything? It was all so much cooler and mysterious when all we knew was that he worked at Freddy’s and liked to kill kiddies. And then the merging of the books storyline with the games to, for some reason, appease to a larger audience?? I really don’t understand why Scott decided to merge the two during FFPS, it’s not like these are comics where the source material has to change to reflect the movies. I guess we’ll never know what goes on through animdude’s mind unless he releases a universe Bible in five years or something. I really enjoyed the expansion to the earlier Baby video! Your stuff is super informative and well thought out, though I guess that’s to be expected XD. Thanks for making this video, keep going cause your channel is starting to pick up. In less than a day you’ve gone from 9k subs to almost 10, so I’m really excited to see what you do next! Have a nice day, Mable😊!

To be honest the tittle of “FNAF’s under-use/misused…” fits well for pretty much every character in the series with the exception of Willy (unless you count overused as misused). To be fair most of my complains are result of how the story of FNAF was told to us, as in the cryptic details that gave birth to to massive theory community that surrounds the series. Something that I must admit is why I’m into FNAF, so I can’t say it’s bad, if anything I think is why the franchise is so big on the internet. Tangent aside and going back to what I was saying, yes putting together the fragmented story is very interesting. However as a medium for storytelling, specially when it comes to characters and their portrait is quite of the worst. Think about it, we barely know anything about the Afton’s besides what’s related to Willy, neither Elizabeth or Evan (crying child) had much in characterisation besides what we can asume base on their behaviour. The worst is probably Michael. He’s the protagonist of almost every game, the man had his insides pull out and wonder the earth for decades as a walking corpse trying to stop the nightmares his father stared… and we barely know anything about him. And let’s not forget about the side characters: Henry lost his daughter, discovered her soul was inside a robot he made to protect her, discover she was a “shepherd of souls”, had to design a machine to capture her because unlike the other 3 at Pizza simulator he couldn’t guarantee she would come to the trap, discovered his businesses partner was a serial killer, either had to serve time in prison for William’s actions or became a hermit for decades after what happened to Charlie (there has to be a reason as to why he disappeared for 40 odd years). And yet he barely has any development, even during his powerful speech at the end of Pizzeria simulator he sort of feels hollow, like, after all that you’ll think the man would be, IDK more interesting to talk about rather than a mystery. And the same goes for Charlie and the 5 Children, we barely know anything about them, heck a few years back we didn’t even knew the names of the 5! And of the 5, 3 are still missing a face (we only know what Sussie and Cassidy look like, and Cassidy barely counts). Think about it, 6 kids that spend over 40 years hunting robots, who would be between 40 to 60 by the events of Pizzeria simulator, and we barely know anything about them, or what they did for those years. What I’m trying to say is that, my main problem with FNAF, is that it has so much potential in its characters, every single one of them is a gold mine, what they think or feel, how they change, everything about them has SO much potential… yet most of it is wasted, lost and unable to be explored because of how FNAF story is told.

@riskopalfi801

Жыл бұрын

Wow! Could not have said it better myself. Seriously, when I first got into the franchise(around SL, Pizza Sim) the theories were cool and all but now I am just Dissapointed, and getting tired of it. Because Fnaf is a goldmine of potential which is never used/explored.

I always liked the idea of baby turning into a villain who was the successor to William, being the calculating, manipulative monster he used to be but better while still resenting him for everything he’s done

I've always liked the idea that Elizabeth was just as malevolant as her father, though you have brought up a great point about how the games made her subserviant to William. Honestly, they didn't even really need to bring William back, they could have just had Elizabeth/Baby and/or Vanny acting as copycat killers and it would have worked just as well, if not better.

Yeah, every new reveal of this just makes me worry more and more that this franchise has become all about glorifying the character who murdered children...

@fohb7291

Жыл бұрын

Bro he gets set on fire in pretty much every game he's in 💀 ☠️

It genuinely sucks to see that Elizabeth/Baby didn’t live up to her full potential as a character. Personally, I think it would be interesting to see Baby feeling bad at the sight of Vanessa/Vanny replacing Elizabeth and her wanting to destroy Afton for it. Super awesome video.

Scrap Baby is has much more potential than Normal one. Think about it. Normal Baby is manuplative liar dusgised as a kid Friendly robot. Like how blue printz shows it. Scrap Baby is like What she actually is. No charm, no manuplation, no lies. Just her True colors. And that could be really scary If its done right. A game centered around her and Molten Freedy probably be more scrary. Playing as a random person in first 5. And later Playing as Mike in the 6 one.

@mouthwaterin

Жыл бұрын

Idk, I mean your remark about how scrap baby no longer tries to manipulate you (What made baby a very refreshing villain to FNAF) just makes her another evil animatronic that wants to kill you just cuz. And that to me is quite lame because it really takes away her original uniqueness that she had in sister location

@rickyronny4019

5 ай бұрын

Agreed. And that’s what I like about Scrap Baby

I wish there could be some content in between Sister Location and Pizzeria Sim.

@notrealnamenotatall2476

Жыл бұрын

Same. I kinda blame the scooping of Michael Afton for this, because after that point there was kind of a ticking clock where there wasn't before, because elsewise we could've perhaps squeezed a game or two in to continue the themes and story.

@andrew_animation

Жыл бұрын

@@notrealnamenotatall2476 I thought that maybe Baby seeing her father again changed her, until I remembered that he tormented her for years in a dark bunker. It just doesn't make sense to me.

there's another thing to say about the transition from fnaf style robots to sister location robots- the color palettes. they're warm, with browns and reds and yellows. when you look at sister location though, there's a stark usage of cold colors always, blue and purple everywhere. it's really interesting! edit: i just finished the video, this was very interesting. the LOOOREE of the games leaves little room for storytelling, i think, but this was actually a great deep dive. fun watch!

Honestly in retrospect, the concept of an AI robot that was built and programmed with the sole purpose of tricking and killing children wanting to break from their directive code is an interesting idea if Scott wanted to delve more into the sci-fi elements of Fnaf. Unfortunately I think Scott couldn’t help himself from adding the whole Elizabeth possessing Baby aspect of the story, and I agree that the sudden change of Baby’s character in Pizzeria simulator is really disappointing to some

I think that Elizabeth and Baby are like two separate consciences that merged together more by the end of Sister Location. When you think about it like that, it makes sense as to why she can play the innocent so easily, and why she finds it easy to kidnap and kill Michael because she’s programmed to be a killer robot. And besides, I don’t think she started to mistakenly believe that Michael was William until after the fourth night, because then after that point she becomes a part of him since that’s what she believes “William” wants in a way, to be with her again. So basically, she denies that scooping him will be so much of a bad thing. She mimics Elizabeth’s voice because she can, but also because the two consciences are slowly becoming one in this moment, and thus we see that Elizabeth still loves her father, saying she knows it was just an accident and that everything is okay. So it makes perfect sense as to why she follows in her father’s desires in Pizza Sim, because now that she’s free but lost and without purpose, she can find fulfillment by doing his bidding, so to speak. She believes that she’s failed him all these years and can finally do him proud. And let’s not forget, children are very naive. Baby may be smart, but now that Elizabeth is fully a part of her, she can’t understand that what she is doing is wrong, especially since killing is literally in the machine’s programming. It’s like a natural born instinct for her now. And hey, at least she was still smart enough to finally realize long before Pizza Sim that Michael was never actually William. So yeah, I don’t really think she was ruined during Pizza Sim. As for the rest afterwards, ughhhhh that’s a different story…

@PopGoesMyBall

Жыл бұрын

Its more like, during Sister Location they WERE merged but after mike "put her back together" the elizabeth part of her took most of the control.

@justice8718

Жыл бұрын

I honestly think Springtrap/Scraptrap is something simliar, but William Afton is ironcally the weaker will of the two. Sptringtrap is possessed prior to the events of fnaf3 according to the reports from (prior fnaf2) Phone Guy. I think the second soul is Sammy Emily. The son we've heard about in Midnight Motorist and seen as the blue-shirted boy in "Save Him". The second soul especially seems the most gleeful about a tragic father-and-son meeting, "Bittersweet, but fitting." It also makes sense with Shadow Bonnie's appearance in fnaf2 being aligned with the mention of a used YELLOW suit.

Fun fact: Baby has been in every main series game since her debut

I wouldn't mind the "daddy's girl" shitck so much if they did something cool with it, like her taking her father's place as the main villain. Like imagine if instead of having Burntrap, we got Burn Baby who's manipulating her father's established legacy to get what she wants

@fohb7291

Жыл бұрын

That sounds even worse 😭 this is why fanbases should never write for official works 💀

@zamzamhassan2985

8 ай бұрын

Sounds cool to me. I wanna read a fanfic of that.

Interestingly the fact she thought Micheal was her father makes me think that contrary to popular belief she might not actually be as loyal to her father as many theorists think. Her change in personality change could also be that when she found out her father was still alive she kicked into manipulation mode and wanted to manipulate him to her own ends at least until he was no longer the one in charge. It's just my own theory but if it's true it could mean she is actually worse than old will.

12:48 now that I think about it shouldn't Afton had been the one to do the monologue instead of Baby (then maybe she can still act like she worships William but have her kill lines imply it was just to fool you into letting her in)

@notrealnamenotatall2476

Жыл бұрын

Actually, yeah. I'm not sure why it was Baby. O.o

@marcsuraci7759

Жыл бұрын

@@notrealnamenotatall2476 yeah FNAF 6 was supposed to be Williams final horrah. You’d except a badass villain speech from him before Henry shows up

@michaelraymon111

Жыл бұрын

@@marcsuraci7759 I don't care how much people self obsess. Afton will never be bad ass

One thing that impressed me especially about Circus baby was her character design in Sister Location. What I love about it is that Baby is as big as the Animatronics of the first Fnaf game. And to top it off, she has the newer sleek look of the animatronics of fnaf 2 and security breach. What made the animatronics from Fnaf 1 so terrifying in my opinion is how well in my opinion that Scott Cawthon managed to replicate the same fear factor that the animatronics of the banana splits, where in the eyes of a child Baby looks amazing and fun but in the eyes of everyone else, there’s something off about them. Plus, I agree, She was a fantastic villain and just what the series needed and it’s a shame that the Scott Cawthon didn’t seem to realize just how much potential she had as a character in his universe.

a part of me thinks that the baby reveal in fnaf world was scott saying that they ran out of story to tell and didnt know what to do(especially after fnaf world tanked) so they put together a new story which was headed by baby, the character dying there representing his original story dying

Honestly, circus baby and Elizabeth’s plot could’ve been extremely interesting to the plot. I haven’t read the books yet so I’m going off the games but with the mix of Elizabeth’s innocence of being a child and circus baby’s manipulative personality, becoming one, I think it could’ve been an interesting identity crisis like thing. Like, she’s not sure whether she should go off her programming or continue being the innocent little girl she once was. She’s confused on who she is and this could cause her to act the way she does in the games. They could’ve probably explored into something like that but nope, they just went bye bye baby.

baby is my favorite fnaf character she's manipulative but also brings, in some moments, a sense of being safe, her voice is... sexy, yeah. (scott wtf you were thinking???), but i feel like it's more soft and comforting, as she gains your trust more and more to kill you in the end with the scooper, like she was made to do: act like a safe animatronic for the kids and then kidnapping the children

I really like the idea of, what were, her learned behaviors of being in such a toxic environment spiraling into her general distrust of, seemingly, anyone and everyone; which leads her further into her manipulative tendencies because she feels she is owed that after all the pain and suffering she has been through. It's really neat stuff. Sorry, was writing about an oddly similar character to Baby and happened to bump into this video. Fantastic work!

Can we just talk about how *TALL* AND *HEAVY* BABY IS! 7.2ft IS TALL! 585lbs too! (I don’t know how heavy that is lol)

Something I find interesting about Baby, when it comes to why she is.. well, why she's like that, is her lines during both endings. Specifically, the "I've been out before. But they always put us back inside." and its counterpart line from the Private Room of "We won't be allowed to try again if they find us like this.". This shows that most workers _don't_ know how intelligent she is. Most of them see her as a machine - a dangerous machine, since she's huge, heavy, and 'programmed' to move about in response to the room, but a mere machine, albeit creepy. Most of them, if not all of them, believe that. And if the workers come back the next day, and find Ennard, then they'll make sure it doesn't happen again - hence why Ennard is willing to follow Michael home even without their disguise. They were desperate, enough to risk the outside world catching them, to get out. Also, scrolling through the chapter list after watching half the video and just seeing 'That's a BIG Baby!' was very sudden and hilarious, thank you. The plushie thing in UCN is neat and all, and yes the idea that you have to either pay her or buy her gifts to avoid her trying to kill you is fairly fitting, but the truth of that mechanic is that it mainly exists just to serve as a fazcoin drain - you have to use them on that rather than on other things, meaning you have to spend time collecting them rather than directly defending yourself against everyone else, and so forth. Still, it _could_ be worked in, particularly given the other characters on that list are Nightmare ones (who, funnily enough, would be stored in Afton Robotics alongside the Funtimes - although Nightmare Mangle doesn't exist down there, despite being a pretty fair combination of characters to make into an intentionally terrifying one), who already have a thing with plushies nullifying their effects or at least delaying them. I do like the idea you proposed, but UCN as a sort of finale joke game focused more on making everyone add something but still be rather beatable (he missed quite a few characters and most of them that were included have _no_ nuance to their mechanics and often only a bit of resemblance to their original forms) just doesn't have that. A remaster of it, where everyone has unique and either complex or dangerous mechanics, would be great! Albeit also even harder than the original, but that _was_ the idea. Baby in Help Wanted is the sort of thing that makes me think the game was going to be more. The walk cycle is wonderfully in-character for the animatronic she's in (whoever was in charge of those is a master at characterization, right down to the Withered animatronics having accurate limps and so forth), her gameplay is unique and scary, and her model is pretty good compared to a lot of what's in the game, although the Funtimes in HW are kind of sharp-looking when it comes to their polygon counts, but it passes for her - some of the others, perhaps less so. Her endo looks weird in it, if I remember correctly, but you only ever see that if you fail. I _think_ the plush babies were meant to be Bidybabs originally, as those do exist in the files as a rigged model (and can show up in the Baby level, as an easter egg), which might've fit better but I imagine they would attack regardless when they outnumber you four-to-one in an enclosed space... unless they retain their fear of Baby, and only can resist it when she's visible to them, gradually losing control to their hostile programming when she's not. Still, a little disappointing for Funtime Freddy to have the normal Nightmares' mechanics, although admittedly it too is in-character, what with him playing along with the game while he taunts the player from down the halls. The addition of the rabbits is a good one there to spice up the otherwise unchanged gameplay (save for the lack of a bed mechanic as well, I believe). Anyways I probably should stop going on and on about Help Wanted whenever I get the chance, but I don't exactly make good progress on that or on the expansion to it I eventually want to have a go at making. The take on 'Baby' in TFC is something I _could_ understand. She does retain that wish to blend in as a human, even if her motives are changed here - but the games did that _because_ the books established her character as such. And Baby before Elizabeth is a different story, sure, as is the possession (though I can accept it being something of a 'she ends up like that anyways but the situation here doesn't stay the same' situation, and her story isn't all too nonsensical, just a bit earlier in the franchise's development in-lore), where she specifically may be sentient and have memories, but she didn't understand human concepts at all, particularly her own emotions-which-were-not-hers, until Lizzie joins in and they meld together as one. Or, rather, the two partial souls, one entire soul, and an AI that are all bouncing around in there, not to mention the fragments of the five other children who also might've been used to bring her to 'life' before Lizzie, ah, stepped in. And Lizzie in TFC _is_ tragic, in the parts she's shown. She's abused, she's lacking love, she's outcast because of what she does for her father's attention, much less affection, and it leads her to get in too deep and make a final mistake. But what they did with her... well, the body is one thing (I could see William making some fucked-up looking thing that attempts to be sexy, like, y'know, Ballora, but not _that_ which is just an analogue to a human body), and I guess you can explain it as 'oh Henry made the frame' but Henry only made a basic endo, not the casing at all by that point. It's more her endless devotion, right up until she realizes 'wait I hate what's happening more than I want to participate in this story' and fucks things up on purpose. The unstable, unpredictable personality she has combined with her powerful physical capabilities _does_ make her a formidable threat, and a rather terrifying one for the characters to be in the same room as, such as the exposition thing at the end of the book, but it's just another product of Scott not being all that good at storywriting. He's great at tension-building, and that seems to translate well to the writing, but he's not great at explaining why anyone's there. Anyways, the story aside, I think the original blob, the one in TFC, and how it was changed from the novels' description to the graphic novel's depiction is worth a video, as might be the ideas of the SB Blob - which, while I still suspect to be a placeholder model, also appears to be in this state intended to unravel into the reaching tendrils we see from it; we just never do _see_ what they're wrapped around nor what happens to the pieces haphazardly sticking out of it when it does this. Also, I'm sure Baby appears on at least one variant of arcade machine in SB, but I really don't care to go through all of the models and textures for them to see. Anyways, Vanny and Vanessa taking over the role - Vanny's model is... well, you said it all yourself. I don't need to repeat that part. Anyways, the animators at SteelWool did a great job with her, making her characterized almost entirely by those movements, but there was more, too - she has more than half a dozen other animations of crawling, a sprinting variant of her skipping loop, some creepy 'moving without moving her head or arms' ones of both sprints and stalking, even a well animated little cartwheel she does sometimes. They portray her as playing this like a game, except when the gloves come off, she still would've been ruthlessly efficient, just straight-up rushing Gregory without any theatrics beyond a slight head tilt. And then, someone at SteelWool trashed that. All those animations are done, they were _in the game files,_ they just didn't get put into use, likely because someone thought the skipping was what they wanted out of the character - a prancing, childlike, skintight-suit-wearing mascot.

Circus Baby in “The Fourth Closet” is a concoction of pain, rage, and depression is a masterpiece. Baby’s skeleton built by Henry’s rage and emotions from Elizabeth Afton’s abuse from William is a huge concoction of villainy.

Baby is my favorite character in two senses. The specific character from sister location (dead Elizabeth) and the general Circus Baby animatronic character separated from that aspect. I wish we could get like… Glamrock and Rockstar versions of characters like her instead of only just the main trio. I would have killed for Glamrock Baby.

This made me relize something Not only are the Scrap Animatronics NEVER explained in universe why they look like that (besides Lefty) but also their personalities Lefty/Puppet-went from protector to mentally scared and sounds weak while Puppet sounds high and mighty due to his power Scraptrap- went from suffering as a possed animatronic and dying a grusome death to loving being undead ScrapBaby-went from hating being an animatronic to also loving being an animatronic since she sees it as a way of pleasing her dad Molten Freddy-went from stupid henchman to cunning leader who has gone made

@Vilgax00

9 ай бұрын

Well,logically we are speaking,fnaf sl takes place closer to fnaf 1. So its almost like 30 year. Its not hard to think why they became what they are in Fnaf 6. Scrap Baby-Baby Ai became broken due to do turning into ennard and later rejected. So Elizabeths dezires and control got a hold of her. Scraptrap-We never get any hints that he is hating beign Springtrap. I think he hates the program,and this is why he is so much suffering in the first place. Once he removed it,he enjoyed beign Scraptrap. Pupet/Lefty:She is so done after this point. Like almost 50 years we are talking about. So its actually make sense why she became much more scared. She do not know how all of this will going to end. Molten Freedy-He probably forcefully absorbed the other 2. So its not hard to think why he is basically same. He did not changed much. Still the same maniac. The problem is,they never explained or showed it in the games. Or give us any hints. I mean it is abovius how they are turned out like thst. But still,established it in the games.

@monobro141

8 ай бұрын

​@@Vilgax00 I still love the Scrap animatronics but my only problem is that they are never explained why they look and act like that

Your voice sounds like Velma from Scooby-Doo and I love it!

The actual worst part of so many characters being shafted in favor of Afton is. Them being the major antagonists ACTUALLY paints Afton's actions in a more horrid light. Vanessa being a potential fan inspired by him, his actions directly creating Baby, and indirectly Puppet as well, it'd still show him as being the Big Bad of the series via his shit causing OTHER people to do bad things long term too.

I loved Baby because she had very personal goals and motivations. She was an absolute power player

Yeah honestly... Kinda sad seeing how much her character suffered the longer the series went on ...which is a trend among the books and games..

Removing the little chip in her arm might have something to do with her sudden character change. I truly believe that little chip was the mimic 1 program which would explain Henry feeling guilt about creating her AND her just suddenly becoming less intelligent

i feel like in pizza sim it really should have gone in a direction where baby was trying to manipulate afton back, all of her manipulation of others coming around to her finally successfully manipulating her horrible father who got her killed in the first place. make it a whole big act over the games narrative and then when the time comes at the end, have her pull the rug on Both william and henry in the end. this could result in the same ending we got, the location being burned down with everyone inside, which just so happened to be henry's end goal as well.

honestly I really think the scrap baby character shift COULDVE been really cool if Scott focused on how the failure of her plan and forced removal from ennard somewhat "broke" her, leading to less manipulation and more anguished violence. not just to the player but everyone tbh (INCLUDING AFTON). really capture that "fall from grace" but in an INTENTIONAL way besides, I don't think she'd be very successful at portraying herself to be innocent like in SL with a huge claw on her hand

I think Baby could work very well as a successor to Afton. She clearly follows after her father, and if FNAF VI didn’t happen with the animatronics burning I could see her being there as a successor to Afton instead of Vanny.

I think one thing FNAF6 really misses out on are character interactions. You have these 4 characters that all know each other, and fucking despise each other.. but they never interact? I would've had voice lines that you can hear echoing throughout the vents, not only would it have gave them more of a prescense but it also helps them be more of a character. You could have Molten Freddy screaming at William for abandoning them, or cursing out Baby. William would probably be disgusted at what his creations became, but proud of his daughter And that's without getting into Lefty/The Puppet. Whilst the rest of them are confused on who this guy is (Molten Freddy would probably call them a copycat whilst Baby is jealous of how new they look).. William knows. William knows exactly whose in there, and despite what his lines suggest, he's fucking terrified of them. FNAF6 is one of my favourite FBAF games, it's just a shame it's ideas weren't used to the fullest.

@Wind_Blaze

2 ай бұрын

It would be so cool to see The Puppet as an actual threat to the others again. The one William should have never killed, now piloting an advanced animatronic

Honestly I want this whole game to be revisited. It quickly became a top favorite and I feel like as good as it was it could’ve been even better.

Every time The Fourth Closet is brought up, I have a thought that I, well, want to write down. There was potential in the idea of having a series of replacement goldfish where, because the system that was managing them had been in disrepair, one of them activated early and didn't receive the previous one's memories correctly. Have young adult Charlie activate before she was supposed to and teenager Charlie not deactivate, but instead of YA Charlie just being evil because "dad was angry when he was making me", have it be because the system regulating them was breaking down. Make it a reflection of how little their father cared about the consequences of his work; we've got an example of a mess he made that would have (or at least _should_ have) hit close to home for the guy if he was still alive. Instead, we get a lame exposition dump coming from a shallow villain who's mostly there to be eye candy.

I swear, every time I see or hear about something from the novels, I'm like "Wow, I'm really glad I didn't read the novels. That sounds awful"

7:52 I interpreted everything up to this point as a loyalty test

@notrealnamenotatall2476

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, definitely.

12:24 guess Baby lost a few brain cells when she was banished from the Ennard (Molten Freddy doesn't seem to make use of them though)

@notrealnamenotatall2476

Жыл бұрын

Hit her head on the way down to the concrete. XD

@thesmilingman7576

Жыл бұрын

@@notrealnamenotatall2476 I was trying to imply not all of her was ejected

i feel like baby had so much potential especially with the idea of her as an amalgamation of a murdered child and a sentient robot that have been forced together to form something unique and tragic. her motivation was infinitely more complex than any other character in the series but then it was just simplified towards her loving afton for some reason ? it makes no sense and she became an entirely one dimensional character

12:10 if I'm remembering correctly didn't Heather (the woman voicing her) record both her SL lines and FNaF 6 lines around the same time wouldn't that mean that Baby was destined to become William worshiper

@nickyneedlemouse875

Жыл бұрын

Really? I never heard about that before; that's kinda interesting. Where did this come from? Was it the Dawko "FNAF Show" interview with Heather Masters?

@thesmilingman7576

Жыл бұрын

@@nickyneedlemouse875 I believe so

totally off topic, but you sound like Wendy from Gravity Falls and i love it

@notrealnamenotatall2476

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Circus Baby was definitely one of the greatest villains FNAF could have continued with. She was similar to William Afton but they could have taken her to the next level. It is true when her personality was just erased since she was resentful to her father to then joining her father. I hope she becomes and gets a major role in the future. I’m not sure what FNAF is going for but if they were to continue, they should give it to Baby. The end of the William Afton Era and the beginning of new era! That would be amazing to do and I hope it does come true!

@-ayesha-

9 ай бұрын

Circus baby should be vengeful when she finds her father had officialy ended and wants revenge on who has made him go bye bye and wants to carry on his legacy

I have a headcanon and theory that you might like. İt would be so good ıf they revealed that Baby and William actually "survived" the fire. I am saying "survived". Like,both actually died. And their souls gone to the afterlife.But the agony keep their remains alive. Agony of Elizabeth(the only soul other than William that wants to not burn. Even souls in Molten Freedy wants to beign burned) keep Circus Baby program active. And when fazbear inc used parts from Baby,they accidently Turned her into Glitchtrap. Meanwhile Burntrap is the Springbonnie program that possesed by Aftons agony. Remember that old fnaf 3 theory where we are not sure who was in control over Springtrap. William Or the suit? Yeah that theory. I took that theory,and modified it a bit. This also explains why Burntrap has no personality. And why has no dialoge with Vanny. And Mimic is also there for some reason. But lets face it. İts new model ruined every theories about him beign Burntrap or Baby. And ı think they will going to scrap that chracter later.

It might just be me but I feel SOOO bored with the entire "game revolves around Afton" story that keeps on being produced over and over and over again with NO end to the story whatsoever from any of them. I would LOVE to have a retrospection on the main stories of how the original kids were abducted and killed, what early locations they were in and what they looked like, and have an official answer on what the heck the bite of 87 was if it wasn't the one shown in FNAF 4. A simple creepypasta-like story of the child's point of view on their own lives and what their grusome experience haunting the animatronics would be an AWESOME storyline for the games and maybe even some novels, which I am aware have touched on this subject a few times, but not enough.

I think the security breach ruin dlc could fix baby's character entirely by showing that she was actually glitchtrap all along and she's the one who's been pulling the strings but she masqueraded as William Afton to shift the blame onto a dead man.

Good stuff. I love this kind of content for FNAF. I stopped following the series quite a while ago, right around the VR days, but I’ll always prefer these types of videos that focus on discussing the quality and consistency of the story given to us instead of just the endless theorizing about the future and the many unanswered questions. Pretty good Baby impression by the way!

Baby is genuinely a very epic villian. I do wish she could be more of her own character, though, rather than just william aftons daughter. But since the good part of the story ended in the 6th game, she wasnt able to. But i also have some disagreement. I think it could be argued that Baby in pizzaria sim has sort of "dropped the act" in that game, as she may perhaps be acting far more drastically given her new circumstance. Maybe she doesnt think manipulation is going to work as well now, so she resorts to being more aggressive. And MAYBE Afton really did tell her something really epic??? Although, because it was never stated what happened, there is no way o know what he could've possibly said. And ultimately, i wouldve preferred her to be independent from him.

@orrorsaness5942

5 ай бұрын

William Afton: You are my true successor. Kill me, and you can take my legacy wherever you want. You are my daughter, and I am proud of you, Elizabeth Circus Baby: Elizabeth… that is my name… (regains memories)… you know… killing you isn’t fun anymore.

15:16 "parent(s) not being able to give real love and just buy their children off with gifts" that hit hard with realization because that's what my mother does. recently she's been buying me stuff, she's bought me a bunch of my favorite movies, some games I was trying to save up for, and a tablet with accessories. that's $100+ worth of stuff, at different times, of her showering me instead of giving me an allowance like I've been asking for for years so I can buy what I WANT! thanks for this point out, just another sad realization in my sad life. I love Circus Baby she's my favorite.

I see some similarities between what happened to Baby and what happened to Metal Sonic. Back in the early 90's, there were a few robotic Sonic doppelgangers that served as bosses, but when Metal Sonic appeared in Sonic CD, there was something about him that left an impression, as he was the one that stuck around. His boss fight left a lot to be desired though, as when you finish racing him he runs into a door and isn't seen from the rest of the game. Luckily, Metal Sonic would have a real moment to shine with Sonic Heroes. Before, he didn't have a lot of characterization to speak of, aside from being cold and lifeless. But after Sonic had beaten him so easily in Sonic CD, he seemed to be afraid of being nothing more than an interior copy. For his grand plan to prove that he was the superior hedgehog, he adopts a new form(Neo Metal Sonic), holds Eggman prisoner, and scans the data of all the playable characters(except the Chaotix) after fighting them in order to become the Metal Overlord. Of course, this plan fails, as Sonic and the gang beat him with the superpower of teamwork, leaving Metal Sonic to wonder why he can never win. After Metal Sonic's characterization in Sonic Heroes, he became more lifeless than ever. He basically went from being the potentially best rival for Sonic to being fodder for Eggman to throw at him on occasion. Kinda unfortunate after his role in Sonic Heroes, but I heard that the IDW comics did a good job at making him a good villain again, so there's that.

Great analysis. Baby deserved so much better

Thank you for your content, its been so fun to binge! God all these videos make me want to spend my years creating fnaf fangames setting up a better timeline of what could of been

I LOVED Baby at first, she was manipulative, scheming and at first, although I had my doubts, I did started trusting her so I was genuinely surprised when she betrayed us. Also, I like the idea of her being this girl who even after being kicked out of the group is able to pick up her pieces (both figuratively and literally) and keep going with what she had in mind, I wish she was kept that way. Also as a sidenote, she being this omniscient voice that tell us what to do and how to do it while we're going around an underground facility solving puzzles and challenges for dear life and that we know is going to try and kill us in the end, gave me MAJOR GLaDOS vibes and I was all for it, imagine Baby cracking some sick sarcastic jokes at us sometimes.

This video was very entertaining and informative. It also had me looking at one of my favorite series of games with a more critical eye for once. Great work!

15:29 As somebody named Elizabeth With parents who felt they could be as cruel as they were to me, but buy me over and buy my silence with gifts and material objects I feel called out

This was a great video. Well edited, and with a good script. You go over all the necessary information well, and it's really interesting hearing you talk about this specific topic. Definitely makes me wish for a more consistent and less muddled story, without a continued return to William Afton once again.

My KZread glitched and the video froze on the funtime Freddy picture, I didn't realised until the end of the video, this proves that your content is so good that even without pictures It was still very interesting Good job

A lot of times.. when thinking of FNAF in a whole it's just so sad because there are THOUSANDS of good ideas in the lore between any of the games and yet.. for whatever reason, they try and tie everything into Afton and his story when it really doesn't need to be. To be honest I've always wondered why they didn't follow the intergenerational trauma that occured out of the first 4 games (after FNAF 4 I was certain that would be the way theyd go. With the older brother -- fox mask -- taking up the helm after Afton got Springtrappped. Sort of like how John Cramer -- Jigsaw -- always had a new lacky every movie.) A lot of the time, especially when we hear from voice actors who've worked on FNAF, it feels like the infamy really ruined the series and then Game Theory demolished Scott's love for it. Now it can't be just a new addition to the series, trying out new mechanics or characters, no. If it hosts the FNAF name it has to link into the Original FNAF lore and that is so restrictive it just nrver makes sense to me but I completely get that Scott would be kinda.. tired and burnt out trying to make games that /he/ wants the fans to enjoy only to have external forces or factors ruin everything like the budget cuts for security breach (though let's be honest that whole game was.. rushed and overcomplicated in it's attempts to be a part of the rest of the story) I want, I wish, really. That Scott could jsut make a FNAF game without everyone trying to put their input in. Go back to what form HE made, HE wanted to showcase and not having to play into all the fandom bullshit and theorizing... It's always shown to me between sister location and what came after that the mere theorizing and constant attempts of Matpat and other fans to tie Sister Location into the original FNAF lore made Scott sort of throw his hands in the air and go 'fine. Just.. make whatever the writers want and slap the FNAF name on it. I'm tired of this bs. want to change the whole story of baby? Whatever, no one wants to be patient enough for the story I want to make anyway.'

literally my favourite youtuber right now 🙌 youre so well spoken and i really really agree with all your points 🙏 keep up the good work bro

@notrealnamenotatall2476

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!

Clicked back on to share the link and I was struck again by how glad I was that you switched to your voice! Its MUCH more engaging and easy to listen to than the robo-voice ^^

“We see her slouched over and unmoving so it’s not that creepy of an introduction.” Yeah, dude, I’m looking at a robot with no eyes that, for all I know, could he playing dead in order to unexpectedly kill me in a game built on jump scares.

Vanny could have been a new villain who was inspired by William & seeks to gain greater infamy than him or even make the legend real by becoming the real purple guy since security breach seems to be in a timeline where all the former games are just myths made up my people. Have her real name by Vanya & the name Venessa is used to hide her true identity. Gregory could have been her little brother who she tricked into getting locked inside so that she could kill him in the same way the crying child died, hence leaving glamrock Freddy unscathed, oh & have her hijacked glamrock Bonny so that he could replace the bunny suit, instead have her use him as a mech suit kinda like how Freddy & Greg team up. Maybe Bonnie wants to rid of the other animatronic out of jealousy or envy & has a “if I can’t have it no one can!” Attitude.

I'm pretty sure the reason why Scrap Baby's personality was like that was a result of her descent into madness. Elizabeth is overtaking Baby more and more, the trauma that Elizabeth's soul was possibly going through after she died along with the murderous programming of Circus Baby fighting for control eventually caused them to become one after the long period of time between Sister Location and Pizzeria Simulator. Plus, remember, when the Funtime animatronics were still Ennard, Baby and Funtime Freddy got into an argument which caused Freddy to overthrow Baby and become the leader eventually becoming Molten Freddy, so Baby being pissed about this, having to be on her own and crudely rebuild herself probably didn't help. Keep in mind, while we don't have an exact timeframe as to when Pizzeria Simulator takes place, it's implied that both games take place decades apart from each other with Sister Location heavily implying to be the 80s, so that gave Elizabeth more time to take over Baby and more time to go insane corrupting her soul. This makes Elizabeth's character even more tragic.

@rickyronny4019

5 ай бұрын

Agreed

Loved this video 😍 You should make more videos just like this one but with other characters 🙂👌

Not sure how I fell into this wormhole but I really appreciated your deep dive. I learned so much!

Every villain in FNaF has their own kind of ways to manipulate things. With Afton granted with immortality, always coming back more powerful than ever, and Vanny... well, just look at her behavior in the game, she definitely has superpowers. And then there's Baby, Afton's daughter who was tragically killed by her father's creation, been kept in a basement for what sounds like a longass time, AND if that wasn't bad enough she had to deal with getting shocked on a daily basis if she doesn't behave. And overtime in that dark basement she learned something special, how to pretend. She used that power to get herself out. She also did the exact same thing in the books, she pretended to be Charlie only this time quite literally using the mind control disc (which is like her favorite toy to play with for very obvious reasons), she also pretended to be various characters in the Fazbear Frights series with the heart shaped pendant. Baby is the type of character you don't need to set a motive or a goal for, her backstory and personality is enough to be a terrifying villain.

@justice8718

Жыл бұрын

Vanny and baby are literally the same person with the same eye color.

Now that I see your videos, I realized that Scott's Achilles hill is the writing and development of the characters, but most important, the souls like Elizabeth, Charlie, Cassidy and even the B.V. Because the only real character development are made by the fans and not the games itself (except the books, with some flaws of course). I think FNAF should have a spin-off line for those characters, FNAF Souls. The first game of this spinoff saga is the Charlie Emily game (inspired by Infamous and Control), the second is the Baby/Liz game (inspired by the Darkness and Far Cry) and the last one is for the Golden Duo Cassidy and B.V (inspired by Deathloop and Army of Two). Maybe Steel Wool can make this game with a AAA studio, the choices are: Arkane studios (Dishonored, Prey, Deathloop and Redfall) Eidos Montreal (Deus Ex, Thief, and GotG) Remedy Entertainment (Alan Wake, Control, Max Payne and Quantum Break) Raven Software (Singularity, Heretic, Wolfenstein 2009, and Hexen) Respawn (Titanfall, Apex legends and SW Jedi fallen order) Massive entertainment (The Division and Avatar Frontiers of Pandora) Bend Studio (Syphon Filter and Days Gone) The Coalition (Gears of War) Do you think this is a great idea for the franchise? If you were Steel Wool, to Wich studio would give this idea?

This video convinced me to appreciate Baby's original character, then listed exactly how said character has been ruined (Great video)

@sailorpolka

Жыл бұрын

Same

Omg your voice is so cool! I really love baby as a character and I just wish she was more threatening in the games or at least had more time to develop! Love the video keep that up

I love how you didn't take out some of the mess up line reads and now I get to draw of what vanana would look like. Btw love the vid

ive always been super confused on how someone could find a robot hot

@notrealnamenotatall2476

Жыл бұрын

*Insert Security Breach quip here*

I know that this is almost totally unrelated to the video. But I really liked the way you mimicked Baby's voice, it was almost exactly like her's!

@notrealnamenotatall2476

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! 8D