Guess I'll chime in. James just issued his apology: kzread.info/dash/bejne/iYKHubCFncynqsY.html The plagiarism in the first episode was a huge mistake and misunderstanding and that first script was definitely plagiarized after looking into the online software. We noticed a few issues with other scripts, mainly Bad Taste, which was replaced by The Host. Since the incident the uploads had a few issues with pulling a few trivia facts, which should have been cited fully, but didn't have the damning issues that the other two scripts had. Yes, I agree, James SHOULD write ALL of the Monster Madness content, but needed extra help this year and trusted us to get it done. Aside from that, a lot of these films, being Around the World are out of James' wheelhouse, more obscure international films, especially countries that only have ONE horror movie or you need to know about anime or something, so we enlisted some help. Which bit us in the ass. Regardless, he wrote a ton this year, or added his input and opinions into each script. And in 15+ years of Cinemassacre and 5+ years of Screenwave we have never had issues with plagiarism. This was a one-off issue which we are fixing. -- Aside from that, Screenwave Media DOES NOT own Cinemassacre. We are just partners. I am an employee of Screenwave, not CEO, and I help produce Cinemassacre as half my job here. James is still 100% in charge of his channel. And, by the way, props to the weight loss. Gonna watch your video on it fully, really interested, think it will help motivate myself to shed pounds. Thanks. -- I'm a bit too busy, not a lot of time to do podcasts right now, but I would love to come on your show and lie for two hours straight in the future. That's a joke by the way. I know this will be spread around.

@RedCowArcade

2 жыл бұрын

I'll resist the urge to make a No Time joke! Really appreciate the corrections and additional insight. And thank you for clearing the air on the ownership thing - lots of people went out of there way to tell me Screenwave Media owned Cinemassacre, glad to hear the truth from the source. Would love to chat more sometime, online or offline, about this, my struggles with weight, and anything else.

@commisso3806

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Justin, how about putting the apology video on the main channel? What's stopping you from that? The viewers of Cinemassacre should know what happened, right?

@85wastedyears

2 жыл бұрын

Why exactly is the video unlisted?

@BananaPhoPhilly

2 жыл бұрын

Dude, just be transparent with your audience. It goes a long way and fans would really appreciate it since things aren’t looking too good for you guys

@metalfuk69

2 жыл бұрын

I still love them but damn this hurt bad. I'd rather have a buffalooooo take a diarrhea dump in my ears... than to hear this news. Anyways I'm hanging on with y'all because I know lots of people who have been affected by cinnemassacre and James when in tough time including myself. James got a lot of us out of depression. Fuck this news man. Smh. Let's get it right and stay original cause when y'all are being yourselves it's gold and the best!! Anyways those are my 2 cents. I'm here guys. I'm still a angry nerd 🤘

The most baffling thing is how a guy with a film degree doesn't understand that if he needs to move a camera for every shot, he could just buy a second camera.

@magicwindow6682

2 ай бұрын

I feel dumb that I didn't think he should just do that but that's why I didn't go to film school lol

To me, the most galling thing was that they tried to claim the sections were just accidentally left in, but they had CLEARLY been gently rephrased to avoid being verbatim. That speaks volumes about them all.

James was never used to any sort of criticism, and when it started he reacted a bit like a child would when the teacher asks him about the homework. "I haven't done it because my dog ate the books". And when he got help with the video production, without telling his viewers excactly how much help he got, the small white lies grew to bigger lies and he kept a straight face about the whole situation. He absolutely knew what he was about to do when he gave away the whole Monster Madness trademark to some other guy. He thought he could trick the viewers yet another time, but the gun blew up in his face. The untouchable all of a sudden stood there with his pants around his ankles. After that he did what every adult would do in his situation; he uploaded an unlisted apology video on the smaller channel.

@RedCowArcade

Жыл бұрын

I think this is excellent insight.

All people want from Monster Madness is a brief overview, a few highlights and a recommendation. It was a nice look at the interests of a guy whose videos I watched. If Monster Madness isn't James' thoughts, they might as well not bother. Even without the plagiarism, I had no interest in Justin's, Kieran's, Tony's or Newts views on anything, they are nobodies.

@kurtshastany1945

2 жыл бұрын

I think they are nice guys in their own regard, i enjoy the videos they make together, ... but its a different product.

@thejedisonic67

2 жыл бұрын

Big Ryan thou

@ModMax69

2 жыл бұрын

I never expected anything but James' take on the movie... wtf were they thinking???

@zerovalon6243

2 жыл бұрын

And yet they hold themselves so damn high they think they are the greatest thing to ever happen. But it's the 2020's so screw, originality, creativity, and self improvement, it's all about the message.

@hideofreakingkojima5457

2 жыл бұрын

They literally have their own series called Hack the Movies so idk why they're still involved with James' stuff.

Still waiting for that "Rewritten" 28 days later review Justin promised.

It couldn't have been James, he just doesn't have the time.

Justin Silverman has changed his story on this like 3 times now. He's making shit up to try to keep this under control. He's a liar.

@gocsa

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, even the explanation on the official website is now the second, rephrased version. Before that, it mentioned accidental plagiarism - which is a hilarious phrase when you think about it.

@V0YAG3R

2 жыл бұрын

He's a pathological sociopath who thinks he's smart enough to be a psychopath.

@sikkableeat5614

2 жыл бұрын

Well... he IS a member of the tribe that invented the concept of pilpul.

@Gatorade69

2 жыл бұрын

Either way people find out that James doesn't do Jack shit or that he plagiarized material. It's not a good look any way you slice it.

@Cyrus_Nagisa

2 жыл бұрын

@@gocsa yes "accidental " as in James and the other "higher ups" did not realize it was plagiarism till it was pointed out. This was a accident, you people have suck a hate bonner right now its not even funny.

So apparently someone also discovered that Newt plagiarized a ton of jokes from the James Rolfe roast. Given that three Monster Madness reviews have been plagiarized, this wasn't just some one time thing of "Oh shit I have a week to write 20+ scripts" (the amount that Newt claims to have written). This is very much a crutch he's casually leaned on several times. I'm sure Screenwave's kind of shitting bricks right now, not just for the material they have to remake, but because Newt's fingerprints might be all over years of work. What the hell happens let's say if an AVGN episode was plagiarized and then sold on a bluray - if the original author(s) finds out....

@Greentunic84

2 жыл бұрын

I find Newt so annoying.

@bigchiefsmackaho387

2 жыл бұрын

i still have yet to see one person actually in the know say it was newt. not once.

@markganus1085

2 жыл бұрын

if an AVGN episode was plagiarized and then sold on a bluray - if the original author(s) finds out.... cat despira just left it at that

They tried to wait until the last minute, edit the apology into the description of the first video and release the second video to cover it up and move along. But they bungled that, too.

@sororitysleepawaymortuary1659

2 жыл бұрын

that's gotta be pretty embarrassing lol they're kind of treating their audience like fools. i get why people are getting their intelligence insulted. i guess he got a team and they have a formula now and it feels more successful and less primitive than before so it feels right to James. The oldskool fans, probably not so much. I guess that what happens when you become a yuppy lol

@sororitysleepawaymortuary1659

2 жыл бұрын

@@charmolettafranquestafiestayam i mean the guys bulit a name for himself so i'm sure he doesn't want to just throw that away whether he likes his audience or not. maybe he's just on an ego trip and he's on a high that's clouded his vision. it's like those mega yuppies they become super successful and they forget who they used to be and just become corporate puppets.

@underwaterlevelz1947

2 жыл бұрын

@@sororitysleepawaymortuary1659 The name he built for himself has been devalued considerably. Allegations of plagiarism are permanent, never go away.

@ruko9876

2 жыл бұрын

And the apology video of the plagiarism is currently unlisted and only on the second channel instead of the main ones where he advertised Monster Madness. What kind of pussy "unlist" his own apology video? If James is sincere he should have pin the apology video on his main channel and make it public and not unlisted.

@Thomasmemoryscentral

2 жыл бұрын

@@ruko9876 Unlisted on a secondary channel? Would respect him more if he at least kept it public

How could you accidentally plagiarize a review? I can understand James not watching, writing and only reading off a script for the videos. But you mean to tell me NOBODY who works at Screenwave was interested enough in 28 Days Later to watch the movie and come up with an original opinion? Why bother doing Monster Madness? This is an insult to everything that came before. They turned MM into a chore rather than a celebration of Halloween.

@RedCowEntertainment

2 жыл бұрын

Well said. Cinemassacre itself has become a weird chore - both for them to make and for some reason, for us to continue watching 🤣

@dannydorko7075

2 жыл бұрын

@@RedCowEntertainment especially as it's only a once a year thing

@Dielawn69

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I really don't get Justin's excuse about how it was an accident lol. Why are they even looking up reviews in the first place when Monster Madness are short video reviews involving personal opinions? I get why people that make like an hour long analysis on a single film would do a bunch of research. But who can't just give like 10 minutes worth of their own opinions on a film? Even people that know nothing about film reviews can talk for ten minutes about why they like or dislike a film.

@Austin.D

2 жыл бұрын

I hope James rake these guys over the coals and realize that outsourcing his material is just hurting his channel than helping it I love James and Avgn and I would hate to see that go away

@andykishore

2 жыл бұрын

How you could "accidentally" plagarize a review when you have to manually SEARCH UP the review first, before taking it?

YOU WANT HIM TO SUFFER?!?!? THE MAN WORKS 8 HOURS A WEEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@Blue-69-666

2 жыл бұрын

8 hours a *month**

@dickwallace8567

2 жыл бұрын

🤣

@markganus1085

2 жыл бұрын

i knew i had heard it somewhere

It's crazy how the reviewer he plagiarized is a Kent University Professor.

I agree that a big point of contention here is James' unwillingness to be candid about essentially selling off Cinemassacre to a third party whose sole purpose is to farm low-effort content (using James' likeness but not made by him) for profit. If he'd been upfront about that, there wouldn't be so much controversy. But, since they are trying to pull it off that Cinemassacre is still James' passion project, and that he creates the majority the ideas/content on his channel - people sense bullshit there because it's obvious the content is not made by him and is awful at that. It's that hypocrisy that is causing so much friction, and makes James a fraud.

@sororitysleepawaymortuary1659

2 жыл бұрын

if he admitted to that don't you think he'd lose a large portion of his fan-base as they'd feel betrayed? that wouldn't really be a smart business strategy. Going about it seamless as if nothing different happened is how you go about it lol It sucks but we're not in Jame's shoes having to make 30 horror reviews this month lol he came up with that when he had passion for this and before he tired himself out making a pointless movie lol

@guidadiehl9176

2 жыл бұрын

@@sororitysleepawaymortuary1659 People are feeling betrayed either way. They're losing subscribers either way. The disingenuousness of it all is what rankles the most for me, and for a lot of people. Cinemassacre always prided itself on its DIY, low-tech, independent, small-team-operation aesthetic. It was very explicit that everything produced was part of James or Mike's personal vision. To hollow that out and treat it as a facade behind which a corporate entity is churning out material on an assembly line... it's really disconcerting for a lot of people. You can see that in the people who are only just discovering, via this plagiarism issue, that James no longer writes the material himself - I've seen a tonne of genuinely hurt and saddened comments from people who were previously oblivious. James wanted to have his cake and eat it too - he wanted to preserve his image as this DIY independent auteur, while at the same time clandestinely turning his company into a corporate cash cow. Treating his audience that way is disrespectful, and slowly but surely it's coming back to bite him.

@sororitysleepawaymortuary1659

2 жыл бұрын

@@guidadiehl9176 it makes me wonder though, how long has James been doing this? I find it hard to believe he just started doing this. imagine what he was doing when he had to carry the whole load himself.

@matdan2

2 жыл бұрын

@@sororitysleepawaymortuary1659 Load was huge

This is super disappointing, I'm a die-hard Rolfe fan, and it is sad how uninvolved he is even with horror. I get that he had checked out of AVGN, but horror has always been his passion.

@benedict1698

2 жыл бұрын

Big Rolfe fan btw

@Gatorade69

2 жыл бұрын

He's been checked out for a long while now. Last good thing he did was Board James and then didn't pay Bootsy for a lot of his work.

@thejedisonic67

2 жыл бұрын

The only things he's shown passion for nowadays is his kids, his "rock band", and conspiracy stuff like Atlantis. The kids i can understand, but delving time into the other 2 is so odd

@kmichael9787

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gatorade69 That's messed up. This is really sad.

@Gatorade69

2 жыл бұрын

@@kmichael9787 Yeah I'm a fan of his and for some reason KZread and Reddit kept pushing anti-cinemassacre stuff on me. I thought James was a nice guy and then I found out he didn't pay Bootsy and that kind of pissed me off. I just couldn't get into any of th e other shows like rental reviews or now the podcast. James at least seems to talk more in the podcast. I noticed his newer videos have no heart and then that behind the scenes video made me say "What the Fuck." I realized the truth Subreddit had a lot of points, they were all fans even though there's a couple of the assholish variety. Yeah it just bums me out. I thought that MM was James' thing, horror movies, but he can't even be bothered to watch a movie and make a review or commentary on it. It's kind of apparent that Mike did a lot of the heavy lifting on that channel, even going as far as writing a bunch of episodes and being uncredited for them. I guess if anything I have more respect for Mike now.

Doug Walker would take you calling him a "Daffy Duck of a man" as a huge compliment.

@markus7166

2 жыл бұрын

I love the nostalgia critic

Shames Rolfe

So you're telling me James doesn't even write down his own thoughts for Monster Madness anymore? You know, I don't care if James has time or not, I'll wait whatever it takes to listen to HIS opinions.

@tomwalker8944

2 жыл бұрын

James hasn't done anything genuine in 6-7 years now.

@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917

Жыл бұрын

@@tomwalker8944 It's his kids, man, everyone knows that kids take up literally all of a person's time. That's why every other father in the world quits their job when they have kids.

@neoturfmasterMVS

Жыл бұрын

@@tomwalker8944 Do you want him to suffer?

@heyyoitsmebrian

Жыл бұрын

youll be waitin like that skeleton at the bus stop meme

@George-de6hd

Жыл бұрын

I’d be curious how much he sold cinemascara for ……I think he doesn’t give a shit anymore but he’s the face of the brand so he does on camera stuff and that’s basically it

This is really upsetting. I understand lot of these comments when they say they're huge AVGN fans and feel deflated and sad. I am also a longtime fan since around 2007 (I have a signed poster and the DVDs and some merch) but this is some really crappy stuff, man. Plagiarism is absolutely vile, and there's no excuse. Cinemassacre has changed a great deal for the worst and I fear the channel we once knew and were nostalgic for is gone for good.

@Buderus69

2 жыл бұрын

One of us... One of us... One of us...

@Guitar-Dog

2 жыл бұрын

I started watching AVGN a few years back. As soon as I watched some of the movie content, I realized the guys with him were just trying to be RLM. You can't copy the 8 layers of irony RLM are on. I like James and Mike, I don't even know the fat and beardy blonde guys (he alright) name. It also makes me cringe seeing the 3 normal guys on camera, then there's that fat guy that's 4 times the size of them. When people are that size it annoys me, like just don't eat as much, I can't respect someone who doesn't respect themselves.

Yellow shirt dude deserves great things, I like him alot

@Tomversal

2 жыл бұрын

They both do!

@enf0rcer.x

2 жыл бұрын

They guy whose name I can’t even be bothered to learn deserves the world.

@austinhawryliw8583

2 жыл бұрын

Never mind the yellow shirt. if his skin was yellow he’d kidnap Jessica alba and be hunted down by an older Bruce willis in black and white

@KonEl-BlackZero

2 жыл бұрын

Big yellow shirt dude fan btw

@davistoa

Жыл бұрын

@@KonEl-BlackZero We already have a Yellow Shirt Guy from AGDQ, we can't go having another yellow shirt guy now! Big YSG/Blueglass fan btw, miss him.

I just watched the six-hour long documentary. It really made me sad to see the decline of Cinemassacre. This news didn't upset me either since I believe the channel to already be gone. Loving the podcast btw!

Imagine having a production team to work for you yet you still resorts to plagiarizing. This is peak laziness from Screenwave and James. And you know what's even more pathetic? There are still bootlickers supporting James saying he can do no wrong even though he clearly plagiarizes from other people's content in his Monster Madness reviews. Good to see you make this video to bring more awareness to James' and Screenwave's complete laziness and ineptitude.

@JohnSmith-yd5wq

2 жыл бұрын

Also it's not like 28 DAYS LATER is some obscure movie. I'm sure someone on the team saw the movie and could talk about and write a quick summary.

So James receives a script that he doesn’t even read to see if it sounds like him or fits his voice? People figured out the text was plagiarized just by listening to it lol

@EricVornoff

2 жыл бұрын

I just went back and watched his universal frankenstein videos and there's so much of a difference

@immortaluglyfish2724

2 жыл бұрын

I remember thinking it sounded like he was reading someone else's essay. Turns out that's *exactly* what it was

@doublem1975x

2 жыл бұрын

They aren’t even trying anymore.

@TheLakabanzaichrg

2 жыл бұрын

Sounded like an AI of James turning text to speech

@KamikazeChinaman

3 ай бұрын

No time. Muh kids. Give me money. Yeeeah.

The guy in this video with the beard looks like the guy who owns the pawn shop in Pulp Fiction with the beard

@DustinKeiser

6 ай бұрын

Haha great call 😂 “get out the gimp”

@holdingpattern245

3 ай бұрын

the spider caught himself a couple of flies

No one should be surprised by this. The channel, contrary to what it formerly was, is dead. In its place is something soulless, not entertaining, and just sad.

I absolutely love hearing about this stuff from you guys. It was definitely true when you said that there wasn't really anywhere else where these things were discussed in a lucid fashion outside of Reddit. It became such a weird thing where it all felt as if what was going on at /r/TheCinemassacreTruth was from a different reality from everything with Cinemassacre on KZread, mainly due to censorship and never addressing it publicly I suppose.

This is bad, a new low for them. I really hate to see them destroy themselves like this.

@sororitysleepawaymortuary1659

2 жыл бұрын

and that's coming from someone with the name destructivore so that's saying something James you lovable bastard. we want you back. the way you were.

@LoganHunter82

2 жыл бұрын

I hate to see them destroy JAMES.

@DESTRUCTIVORE

2 жыл бұрын

@@LoganHunter82 I think he has to own this as well. I know that he needs help making content, but he needs to be more involved with creative control behind the scenes. I am not trying to be a hater, I really want them to succeed. I am also looking at it this way, a lot of us have jobs that we hate and would be grateful to be doing what he does if we had the skills and the opportunity. I don't want him to piss it away to where he has to work at a job he hates. I am sure he has to deal with stuff thats not fun behind the scenes as well as good stuff, but I bet it beats other jobs. Also if he has to go back into the job market employers won't listen to "I have no time, or but I have kids." Of course that is an important priority, but so is feeding them and if this goes away he will have to answer to somebody who doesn't care and possibly doing something he hates to feed them. I really want the best for him and the rest of the people that work with him and I hope this lights a fire under him to have more oversight of his content.

If there are 31 of these that have to be re-recorded, outsourcing to screenwave cost him more time than ever.

haha when I heard the news yesterday I was hoping you all would do a video

@sororitysleepawaymortuary1659

2 жыл бұрын

i wish they did one everyday lol even if it's overkill. who cares it's entertainment, right?

@stevenpina1983

2 жыл бұрын

This could be the unofficial podcast of the conemassacretruth

Ryan is the kingpin of screenwave, justin is like the mouth of Sauron, but Ryan is the titular lord of the rings, aka the big man

@Blue-69-666

2 жыл бұрын

The Big Man of Big Screenwave Big Ryan fan here

@sic6664

2 жыл бұрын

@@Blue-69-666 We're all big Ryan fans btw.

@matdan2

2 жыл бұрын

I’d like to see more of Ryan. Big Ryan fan btw

@Thomasmemoryscentral

2 жыл бұрын

I think people go too soft on Ryan as his company hires the worst kind of people

@cardenasr.2898

2 жыл бұрын

Nine rings were given to the Slobs

Total foolishness. What ScreenWave need to do at this juncture is pause Monster Madness, get the writers together, and find out how many of the reviews are even possibly plagarized, and immediately scrap them. Charging forward and having James read more possibly plagarized scripts is extremely risky. I guess they figured James' credibility and integrity has already been permanently stained at this point.

James is just a puppet-head, now. Avgn is dead.

It probably would have stayed a Reddit drama until this video came out. Glad you shared this. Very disappointing knowing James isn’t even doing MM, that’s my fav content on this whole website.

Don't forget to watch the video "Cinemassacre plagiarized two more videos!"

@sororitysleepawaymortuary1659

2 жыл бұрын

where is it? i can't get enough of this. it's like those weekly world news at the grocery store with jon benet ramsay

@TalkingAboutGames

2 жыл бұрын

@@sororitysleepawaymortuary1659 It's literally the first video that appears when you search the title in KZread.

@TalkingAboutGames

2 жыл бұрын

@@sororitysleepawaymortuary1659 I'll put the link below, let's hope it doesn't get stuck in the spam tray; it seems they changed the title, but it still appears either way.

@TalkingAboutGames

2 жыл бұрын

@@sororitysleepawaymortuary1659 Here it is: kzread.info/dash/bejne/q216k7l7n5PVmZs.html

@sororitysleepawaymortuary1659

2 жыл бұрын

@@TalkingAboutGames flippin awesome dude, thanks! I'll check it out. this the sensational story of my night.

Man, I've tried my best to give Screenwave and James the benefit of the doubt and assume ignorance over malice with some of their practices over the last few years, but this is a really shitty discovery. I hope it's handled properly and not just Justin Silverman trying to unofficially damage control on social media. This needs to be addressed as bold faced as possible, especially after James' behind the scenes video talking about his martyrdom of hard work and referring to naysayers as assholes. This looks really bad, and I don't want Cinemassacre to fail. I want them to be better, and if they need to get exposed for plagiarism for that to happen, so be it. Good luck, James, don't steal and don't be a hypocrite.

@EricVornoff

2 жыл бұрын

I overall think that subreddit is a bunch of guys with too much free time, but, this is absolutely ridiculous. I think James Rolfe should be allowed to revel in low-effort content if he wants to make that life decision but this is just inexcusable in every way.

@sororitysleepawaymortuary1659

2 жыл бұрын

dude it's not going to get better. it's mickey mouse at this point, it's not going to go backwards. why is he going to do all the heavy lifting when he is the face and voice of it, all's he has to do is be walt disney and his team is SUPPOSED to do the rest. i think he should at least bring back Matt Matei and give him a weekly show to go crazy but I guess he already made himself to much of a liability with his craziness to be reliable to carry the load. hard to say what the answer is to all of this. fame does this to people. he made a name for himself and there comes a point where it becomes a business when it's this successful. unless he just goes he you know what, screw everything, I'm just going to go back to how it was and do things right. I think there would have to be some incentive for him to want to do that.

@sororitysleepawaymortuary1659

2 жыл бұрын

@@EricVornoff i think on a subconscious level he must be saying something by doing this. maybe it's, i'm tired out, I'm tired of doing this but i like the attention and fame so i'm going to keep it a float. or he's saying, you guys are idiots and i can give you a pseudo version of what this is and you wouldn't even know the difference. I'ts hard to say what exactly is going on but it's not good.

@guidadiehl9176

2 жыл бұрын

@@EricVornoff James should absolutely be allowed to revel in low-effort content. No question. But be should be up-front that that is what he's making. To churn out low-effort, assembly-line content while still carefully maintaining a pretense that you're still an indie auteur is not a good look. It makes people feel duped when they discover it, and it makes me think James has very little respect for the people who watch his content.

@thejedisonic67

2 жыл бұрын

Mr Bump, a name I havent heard in a long time

You hit the nail on the head around 30 minutes in. Honesty and transparency will go far. It's not always going to be the thing that everyone will want to hear, but you won't get hit by a scandal when you're always honest and transparent.

Wow! What incredible audio and video fidelity on your podcast! Wow! I cant believe your MK2 cabinet is playing MK2.

Nice job guys, I was hoping this would get a little bit of coverage here. Biggest thing to remember is that yes, you'll get a bunch of flak from the "Cinemassacre Loyal" but who cares? Documenting something as blatant as this is just what reporting is about. Well done on this one.

Newt Wallen was this year's main writer for Cinemassacre

It’s sad to see James and Cinemassacre befall the same fate as Nostalgia Critic and Channel Awesome. Both thought they were destined for better things, it didn’t pan out, and ever since you can tell things just aren’t the same. If James wants to quit to focus on being a father then I’d totally respect that. If your heart isn’t in something don’t do it; it reflects in your output.

@guidadiehl9176

2 жыл бұрын

Doug does seem to have accepted his status in life, though, and does seem comfortable and satisfied. Maybe he isn't, but he comes across that way. James definitely doesn't, though. He seems burnt out and possibly even disillusioned.

@RockoEstalon

2 жыл бұрын

@@guidadiehl9176 I respect Doug, sort of, because his content feels like something that was done with effort. It might be cringe and/or bad 99% of the time, but at least it feels like he gave a shit. He has a "productive toxic ego", as opposed to James's damaged ego that makes him half-ass his way through reviews.

@ruko9876

2 жыл бұрын

@@RockoEstalon I don't much like Doug's content, but at least i can respect his work because he is the one writing his own material, unlike James who farm everything off to those leeches at Screenwave. And he advertised this year's Monster Madness as "It returns! The way you remember." The way i remember? I remember a time when James writes his own content for MM. This year's MM was not the way i remember it as James farms most of his script off to Screenwave to produce.

@supermariof0521

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly Jame's controversy is NOWHERE near as bad as #ChangeTheChannel. Like yeah Doug wasn't the source of the primary source of the controversy, but whereas Screenwave was due to poor communication. Channel Awesome meanwhile was just a toxic work enviornment.

@RockoEstalon

2 жыл бұрын

@@supermariof0521 If you have to compare James to a guy that covered rape and sexual assault happening behind the scenes to make James look good, you know he's being pretty shitty lol.

I am absolutely done with Cinemassacre. James obviously is taking the lowest effort route for all his videos and is more than willing to have someone else write (plagiarize) his scripts and do practically everything else he used to do for the channel when it actually meant something to him. James is completely taking advantage of his fans at this point and shows a total lack of respect for them. I can't do this anymore. Cinemassacre went from something I love, to being something that I despise. I no longer can support Cinemmasacre; I'm done.

@sororitysleepawaymortuary1659

2 жыл бұрын

yeah that nine eleven bit was on a douchiness level i didn't even think he could achieve. pretty lame and cringe lol definitely just going through the motions and thinking of their audience as a bunch of morons. i mean the average gamer is pretty dumb but come on. have a little self respect for your craft James Ralph.

@Gatorade69

2 жыл бұрын

You guys might just be fans of the assholish variety.

@blankdude9996

2 жыл бұрын

Study the tribe who took over Cinemassacre. It explains everything. Cinemassacre is now talking 9/11 and they're all totally anti-caucasian. Jame has been compromised by his own wife and her associates.

@sororitysleepawaymortuary1659

2 жыл бұрын

@@blankdude9996 Jame probably doesn't even know that nine 11 was an inside job. he did that episode on mario 3 being satanic and then said none of the other mario games were like that.

@DeadHandtheSurvivor

2 жыл бұрын

You know a situation is bad when right wingers are suddenly talking about 9/11 and Cineamassacre's possible political views all because it was mention a few times by Cineamassacre. It's just depressing to see the community in this current state.

How on Earth can someone watch this movie without coming out with a ton of your own thoughts about it? Truely lazy, and pretty bizarre.

@kurtshastany1945

Жыл бұрын

NO TIME!!!

I'm so sad that Cinemassacre and James have fallen so low. I've been watching since 08' and I think it's time for James to pack it in at this point. I've been so loyal I was even an extra in the movie. But its time to pack it in

@TalkSickMass

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder if fans truly enjoyed the AVGN Movie or pretend to just to make James feel proud for the amount of work put into it.

You guys are so fun to listen to. I feel like im hanging out with my friends when i enjoy your clips.

Loving these Cinemassacre insight videos. I don't think it's James views that they are selling at this point, I think it's just James himself. He's just a figurehead that's become the equivalent of Mcdonald's. He thinks he can run the machine on autopilot or he wants to, so all the power to him I guess. It's pretty funny actually. I guess it became a bit of a chore and at the same time he's running it more like a business now with himself as the celebrity. I don't think he's going to be in the trenches doing it all organic ever again.

@Possum880

2 жыл бұрын

You are 100% correct. I think the organic Cinemassacre content is gone and never coming back. It just feels like a product as you’ve mentioned and less a passion project. It sucks to say but it’s true

Just discovered you guys. Instant fan! Great job and a whiz-bang analysis of the whole situation thus far.

AVGN and Cinemassacre have been shitty for like nine years now, ever since Red Letter Media really hit their stride. Pretty much all those "angry reviewers" like Nostalgia Critic, Angry Joe and AVGN are terrible now yet RLM is still great, because they don't go with that shtick.

@gronndar

2 жыл бұрын

All those names you mentioned were products of their time.

@KramSacul

2 жыл бұрын

Bingo

@MrSkeltal268

2 жыл бұрын

Angry joe is trying though. He’s responded well to criticism and surprisingly has a ton of passion for games and movies.

Muh movies, muh scripts

So if Justin is telling the truth they didn't actually watch the movies, they just read reviews and slapped their own versions together, probably with clips from other sources too. If I were a big fan of Mr Rolfe I might be upset at both the deception and the lack of love for the movies they are covering. Seems like the man needs to go back to basics, cut the fat of the content mill and be happy to make money from old video views and keep up purely the things he has made. I mean if he values integrity.

@sororitysleepawaymortuary1659

2 жыл бұрын

i mean if i was on his team and having to write 30 scripts for halloween reviews i'd be plagerizing reviews from 2003 too lol i'm not really sure why he's attempting to even do this with the way he runs things now.

@nkw1985

2 жыл бұрын

@@sororitysleepawaymortuary1659 - I don't know why they're doing it either since James isn't the one watching the movies and writing his own opinions but they didn't just start working on this last month. They've had a long time to work on this and if they thought it was too much they could have always did 15 instead or just cancelled it. James would be better off working alone and focusing on better quality and less quantity.

@Austin.D

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah James has been doing Avgn since the dawn of YT I wouldn't be too upset if he just hung up the White collard shirt

@Buderus69

2 жыл бұрын

@@Austin.D but he wants the money

I know that it's hard work to make videos, but it seems very lazy and strange to plagiarize an essay on such a popular movie that I'm sure most of the screenwave guys and James have seen. I'd get it more if it was some obscure horror movie they have never seen and didn't want to watch it. How hard is it to get paid to watch a movie and talk about it for 5 mins? I'm very confused. Anyways good discussion guys.

@Gatorade69

2 жыл бұрын

He just doesn't have enough time to watch a movie and talk about it.

@alexshadowfax1119

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gatorade69 James doesn't, but the person they hired to write scripts should have enough time, that's all I'm saying.

@JohnSmith-yd5wq

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Also 28 DAYS LATER isnt obscure old movie. Even if you have seen it in while you could write a quick summary.

AVGN’s been accused of plagiarizing Seanbaby in the past. This, however, hits much differently.

I have no stake in this convo. I just happened upon this while searching for monster madness. Just wanted to say you guys are really interesting to listen to. 👍

I can except plagiarism if he was producing good AVGN episodes but he ain't doing shit productive....

I was today years old when i even heard anything negative regarding cinemasscre. I’m not sure what to make of all this. As a new student in the world of filmmaking i thought James does 70% of the work on every video and has help editing the videos but i had no idea that he’s barely involved except recording him reading the script and his on camera shots.

@heyyoitsmebrian

Жыл бұрын

all he has to do no is put the nerd shirt on .... sit on the couch... pretend to press buttons on the controller and read the script. and then boom clock out for the day.

@BananaPhoPhilly

Жыл бұрын

@@heyyoitsmebrian It's just a content farm now. He treats it like a dead-end job

@heyyoitsmebrian

Жыл бұрын

@@BananaPhoPhilly well I've heard he just has no time to really put in effort. Plus, little known fact that not many people know.... james has a wife + children now

Cinemassacre hasnt been good since that awful Avgn movie so this is no shock

29:29 I could picture James being the type to waste money so I wouldn’t be surprised if he invested nothing he has made from AVGN. Wouldn’t surprise me if he needed to keep it up.

What i find odd is I've actually been watching Hack the Movies with Tony and Newt a lot lately and Newt seems like a guy who has so much to say about movies. He seems like a reasonably intelligent guy and is actually pretty entertaining to listen to. A part of me is surprised that he was plagiarizing but another part of me kind of understands. I mean, Monster Madness really was just kind of a vibe with spooky music/clips from the movie while giving a brief synopsis of the film. I'm disappointed like everyone else that James wasn't writing it but i also can understand why Newt would plagiarize the voice over. It's a huge undertaking. I mean, is the dude going to watch 30 movies (many of them being kind of old/boring) and write a review on every single one? That's A LOT of work. I'm not saying I would have done the same thing, only I understand why he did what he did. It's sad that James lost that much interest in his own creation though.

Thanks for being brave enough to stand up to James. He is a plagiarist who can no longer be trusted and must be held accountable for his dishonest actions.

@mystery4561

2 жыл бұрын

Why james? It could have been anyone.

@maxxdahl6062

2 жыл бұрын

@@mystery4561 But it wasn't anyone.

The Cinemassacre Truth is out there! The help are not the problem! For all the bull Irate Gamer had to put up with because he referenced two lines and was parodying Jimmy. And to think people brushed off claims from Bores around 2014 that Jimmy was taking ideas from Irate just to spite him back in the day. They started doing content like Red Letter Media garbage and downgraded the integrity of Cinemassacre with the film. It was all over from there.

@sororitysleepawaymortuary1659

2 жыл бұрын

making a movie tires you out. like he always liked to say, "what was he thinking?!"

@skinflutey

2 жыл бұрын

Bores plagiarized the AVGN TMNT episode so they’re now both guilty of plagiarism

@spencerwilliams461

2 жыл бұрын

@@skinflutey At least with Bores he was entering into "Out nerd the nerd" competitions and whatnot, it was at least clearly parody / homage. Like Elvis to Little Richard and Fats Domino. AVGN has been trying to pull that integrity bull for years. That "muh movies" for every rinky dink short video he made. Lol, so they're even now i guess.

@spencerwilliams461

2 жыл бұрын

@@sororitysleepawaymortuary1659 I think Jimmy was always tired. I think the film took his mojo. Kind of like in Austin Powers. Problem is, James can't travel back in time. He lacks time and self awareness.

@sororitysleepawaymortuary1659

2 жыл бұрын

@@spencerwilliams461 also he already achieved his goal of becoming a success so what incentive does he have to go through all the hell of making all the episodes now? Of course he's going to just go through the motions now and do what he wants to do but I think he is also starting to feel resentment towards all his fans that are pointing it out to him. He might actually be purposefully doing some of this out of resentment.

Thanks for covering this!

@andykishore

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

I'm from the Cinemassacre Truth sub. Thank you guys for helping to expose this with us.

@matdan2

2 жыл бұрын

I hear that place is like a house of madness

@jmnyc212

2 жыл бұрын

Big Ryan fan btw.

@MiketheratguyMultimedia

2 жыл бұрын

@@matdan2 It's actually pretty straightforward. A bunch of people who used to legitimately love James' content shitpost and mock all the ways he's proven himself to be...less than what we once thought he was. It's a fun place, nothing too hardcore. Just having some laughs, making some memes, and calling out bullshit for what it is.

@matdan2

2 жыл бұрын

@@MiketheratguyMultimedia Most of my Reddit karma has come from cheesy comments on that subreddit haha! I'm the guy that has a bunch of barcode numbers for a user name but my friends call me a salty dyk hole

@MiketheratguyMultimedia

2 жыл бұрын

@@matdan2 Much of my reddit karma comes from that sub as well. When you've broken free of the AVGN bubble and seen what an ass he and his underlings are, every day is a shitshow. The potential for memes, jokes, and calling out bullshit (I'm sorry, "BEE-ESS") is never-ending.

What I don’t get is why james doesn’t do patreon, make like 3-4 Avgns a year, and abandon the MCN. He’d make more money probably.

@Alexander84129

Жыл бұрын

Because he has no time

straight up when you mimicked james' rock face i shit myself. forget the drama, you have my support because of great content.

@reverendx4ever

2 жыл бұрын

Mark?

@dickwallace8567

2 жыл бұрын

Time stamp?

@theitfactorjameswheezer2852

2 жыл бұрын

Time stamp

@zerofide

2 жыл бұрын

@@theitfactorjameswheezer2852 just watch the video, just because I commented about it doesn't make me your receptionist. Give them the view, they deserve it.

It just really sounded like a summarized press release from the movie studio, something that a lot of writers/critics would use in order to objectively describe the film.

I think you hit the nail on the head that these new Monster Madness episodes, while it’s cool to have them and it’s a neat concept for a MM season, just don’t quite feel like James’ old charm. It feels more “researched” in a way which takes away from this sense that James was just talking about movies he likes.

I can’t stand the screenwave guys….I would have rather James put out one vid every three months than to sell out like he did.

James simps incoming with downvotes in 3... 2... 1...

I feel bad for Justin too...He has to carry all the water for James who clearly doesn't want to do any work on the channel any more. It's like being in a group project where your partner doesn't even show up.

@RedCowEntertainment

2 жыл бұрын

And then you have to distribute press releases about how much your partner is killin’ it

@Matt-mu8zs

2 жыл бұрын

@@RedCowEntertainment you called it correctly.... dude is on cinemassacretruth every day laughing his ass off at James memes and blowing off steam at his lazy boss

I'm with you guys. I'm around the same age, and have been a casual fan of AVGN over the years (just avgn not mm or any other cinemassacre stuff really) and even to me the decline in quality and lack of authenticity is SO obvious. And the constant over acting/fake emotion with the stupid gaping mouth face is SO annoying!! I can't stand it lol

You guys rock

Didn't Bootsy leave because cinemassace didn't pay him or some compensation dispute? My theory is Mike left because of the direction Cinemassace was going with the Screenwave merge/buyout. Honestly, after rewatching the 2019 monster madness. I would have been fine with unscripted 31 horror films like rental reviews.

If this was now, that guy could have used ChatGPT to have it write it in the style of James Rolfe.

This is great!

@sororitysleepawaymortuary1659

2 жыл бұрын

Really was an interesting fun watch

Justin has ruined the Channel. James should have sticked with how did the videos back in 2010 -2016

James Rolfe and crew need to go away.

@mystery4561

2 жыл бұрын

Who is going to run it then?

@maxxdahl6062

2 жыл бұрын

@@mystery4561 Who cares?

You guys need to do another video about how James made a apology video that they made unlisted and not public. And how insincere that bullshit is.

The worst part of Cinemassacre isn't Justin, it's actually James.

This is an old video but I thought I'd leave a message here. It's been this way since around 2016. When James started to "review" games from the ps1 era like RE survivor, I noticed that it wasn't him playing, and they actually lied about the version they were using and were emulating it instead of using proper hardware, which caused ALOT of bugs they wrote down and claimed are part of the actual game in order to keep the episode going. So yeah it hasn't been james writing, playing or doing much for years now, he's just the voice, nothing more.

no time

If I'm being honest, I thought this plagiarism was complete BS. Anyone who opposes, come at me.

This is the equivalent of a nice box of popcorn while watching Cinemassacre implode. Thank you.

How terrible and delisted apologies certainly don't count as a public apology.

Once I found out it wasn’t actually James’ opinions for MM, I immediately stopped watch it.

So if I heard this correctly,what’s gonna happen to Newt now if he wrote the script? I would imagine he’s not gonna come out of this unscathed.

@Buderus69

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure justin knew the stuff was plagiarized, and in the end they will do nothing and just wait for the stuff to blow over

I wrote a comment on Jame’s apology video which was uploaded to the “cinemassacre clips” channel. The video has since been taken down. Well that didn’t last long. I guess they realized that admitting that James wasn’t writing the scripts was worse than the plagiarism.

I used to be a big James Rolfe fan. But then again I used to be a big Simpsons fan too. I'm not entirely convinced either is still either these days.

I was willing to give James a benefit of a doubt until he released obviously scripted apology on his second channel that isn't even listed

This is not okay. So far there's been 6 times discovered in 3 videos. How much more has James stolen? I love James, but this is going to ruin his reputation forever. He should've not put so much time into daddy hours cause it cost him his career. And Justin is a liar.

@smarkbusters

2 жыл бұрын

You’re psychotic if you think the guy putting time into his kids is a bad thing.

@vertyisprobablydead

2 жыл бұрын

It's called working for your kids Snark, most people actually do real work 40 hours a week for their kids. Not release 3 20 minute video game reviews a year.

Great video, thoughtful discussion. Lol at the comment you referenced from the previous video saying you guys are too old for this. I think you guys approach this topic from a mature and level-headed perspective, not sure why age matters.

No one stays at number one forever... at some point the channel was going to fade away...

Cinemassacre used to be a passion, but in the last five years or so it has just been a job.

James is like Ron Burgundy, he'll read anything the slobs put in front of him.

Every October since the one where some random annoying dudes started showing up in Monster Madness videos, I've set up a yearly thing for myself where I have a list randomizer choose me 31 MM videos to watch (mostly videos from the same date, like the October 7th '07 video on October 7th '21) and, though I've seen all of them and pretty often end up remembering them, it still feels like I'm getting a true Monster Madness. I knew better than to expect anything significant out of what they were gonna do this year but still looked forward to at least seeing how *EHHHSS* it would be. I searched for "Monster Madness" on KZread, nothing new showed up, so I went to the Reddit, first thing I saw was the word "plagiarism" and I was like "mhm yep time to randomize a list again".

As long as the script isn't written by James, he's still plagiarizing by pretending to be the primary content creator.

If James could make a indistinguishable cyborg of himself he would for the channel. That way he wouldn't have to do anything except go to the bank. That's how much he cares about the content and his fans.

Avgn is one of those subjects that slides below the algorithm, and youtube doesn't have a lot of interaction on. But a lot of people are curious about and will watch. So it typically gets views.

This is quite a mess. Great discussion

Reading a teleprompter, and plagiarism? Looks like James has the inside track to win the 2024 Democratic nomination for President. Good Job!

I do genuinely enjoy both of your very leveled outsider opinions. Great video

Dude, keep making videos. We love the drama behind Cinemassacre. especially when it comes to those screenwave edia bozos. Nobody likes them.