I think it's sad that this beautiful house was torn down and replaced by a generic and grotesquely huge McMansion. The country house blended in with its surroundings and had charm. The new house is ugly and sticks out like a sore thumb. Erasing the house doesn't erase what happened there. It will always be a place of tragedy, no matter what anyone does to change how it looks

@newnormal1841

2 жыл бұрын

Probably needed lots of refurbishing Not up to code ? Didn't want a tourist destination ? Yes, what's there now Mc Monstrosity 🤺💐 🤺💐

@clemflynn7067

2 жыл бұрын

New Normal: nah….. it was fine….. through the years it has been kept up, upgraded, modernized, at least for the most part. Not saying that it was “perfect”, but the reason it was torn down is simple, - the person who bought it was just wanting to maximize their investment by building a really ostentatious house. While the original house at 10050 Cielo was comfortable, and certainly was a large home, it was not what immediately comes to mind when one thinks “Hollywood movie star Mansion.” Although, it certainly could fit in and hold it’s own when compared to other homes of the area - the “Love House” was and still would be quite nice. What was unique about the love house, and it’s near Twin, 10048 which sits below on its own plateau, with its own fantastic view, is that they were built, specifically to complete one’s fantasy of a farm style home, yet include modern amenities that they did not have in the time period of which the style mimicked. It was, just like many other things in Hollywood, a “fantasy” Complete even with a sleigh in the yard; a wooden wagon, which really was a hidden incinerator; rustic wishing well with a covered roof top; country style split rail fence; shrubbery & greenery placed in just the proper places to make the illusion complete……. Now where else could you find such a house in glamorous Beverly Hills???? that is what made 10050 & 10048 very unique and special. On a separate note, has anyone else heard about Michelle Morgan’s , (the original owner of 10050) scary paranormal experiences at 10050, which prompted her to sell the estate? Many people do not know that the cul-de-sac that people call Cielo Drive, the portion that leads up from the main Cielo Drive to the gate at 10050, was originally just simply the long winding private driveway of 10050, just like 10048 has it’s own long private driveway. Portions of the original estate land had been sold, and the right of way given to those owners, allowing them to use the private drive also.

@eva5601

2 жыл бұрын

The mansion surprisingly was bought for only $200,000. I live in Los Angeles county and now, you can't even buy a house in the ghetto for $200,000. My parents bought a house in Huntington Park with 2 lots for $40,000 in 1974. I am glad they did.

@sunnyhill5119

2 жыл бұрын

@@eva5601 Sad. California real estate is way too jacked up nowadays. Wish i couldve been an adult with money back in the 60s and 70s. I wouldve invested in real estate left and right....in particular Malibu, Beverly Hills, Holmby Hills and Brentwood.

@geslinam9703

2 жыл бұрын

@@clemflynn7067 the house wasn’t worth much, but the land it was sitting on was. The owner could have kept the house, but likely it wasn’t worth what it would cost to update it, so what could he do but keep renting it out? That wasn’t where the money was. The way he could make the most was to sell the house and land it was on, and he made a nice profit, considering what he paid. I agree the new house is obnoxious, but that’s the way it goes.

I used to watch The Beverly Hillbillies and think how beautiful the girl who played Miss Hathaway's Secretary was without realizing she was Sharon Tate and she had already been brutally murdered along with her unborn child and friends. I still watch the Hillbillies and have a new appreciation for Miss Hathaway's beautiful secretary. I feel so sad for her and the others and their families. May they rest in peace and happiness forever.

@hughhaefner3317

Жыл бұрын

Yes. They had Miss Tate wear a brunette wig because they didn't want to expose her just yet because they were going to make a film star of her and television was considered a less than media for someone they wanted to be a movie star. But they wanted to give Sharon some practice of her craft. Look it up. It's there.

Fascinating. In April 1994 I visited California and was driven up to Cielo Drive. The gate was open so I just walked in. The constructions workers were there preparing the house for demolition. They took no notice of me there which was somewhat surreal. I often wonder if I am the only person in Ireland who actually saw the house. It was a haunted house to me. Where an idyll had turned into horror. Those brief moments have stayed with me to this day. This is my tale from Cielo Drive. One day in 1994

@HAllegraLansing

3 жыл бұрын

Amazing - it was just 26 years ago but such a different time. Now everybody is so guarded, suspicious and closed off.

@justinirvin5649

2 жыл бұрын

Irish ☘️ and last name Green? Fitting.

@HAllegraLansing

2 жыл бұрын

@@justinirvin5649 Shamrocks ☘️☘️☘️ for everyone!

@williamfurman7498

2 жыл бұрын

1969 was a violent year in Ireland, I have read about Belfast calamities.

@seanahowe4755

2 жыл бұрын

Wow. You were very lucky to have seen that house.

This home is one of my most favorite homes ever. That sounds morbid, but I’m only thinking of the beautiful home, landscape and view…NOT the tragic events that happened there.

@HAllegraLansing

2 жыл бұрын

Agree! I think the original home was lovely, modest and warm. You could really feel the love there. The structure that sits there now, not at all.

@missrockafella9432

2 жыл бұрын

It certainly was a beautiful home, landscape and views. All the many photos in books and online I have seen BUT I would not feel comfortable living in a house where such terrible crimes had been committed.

@riccali3519

Жыл бұрын

There's a conflict about the home being torn down The new owner of the house wanted to wipe out any history connected to the house. The construction crew even took off several inches of the ground that the house was built on. The new owner did everything can to everything connected to the house. It was a nice place. The new house ifs a mostrstrosery.

@HAllegraLansing

Жыл бұрын

It is. I’ve been to the property. The original home, while considered luxury, was actually modest and charming. Both of the new versions are eyesores of conspicuous consumption.

@ms8596

5 ай бұрын

​@@HAllegraLansingOMG, the monstrosity that replaced it!!! You can't buy taste!!

I can already tell this is a beautiful historical video. Nobody needs to recount the grisly night and murders, but something that's uplifting and historical. Thank you.

Thanks for producing this series. I enjoyed Sharon's comedic style watching her and Dean Martin in Matt Helm. ❤

I've researched these murders for about 45 years.. History and True Crime in one! Bravo!

@HAllegraLansing

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! It is endlessly fascinating.

@robinrobyn1714

Жыл бұрын

@@HAllegraLansing It absolutely is. Totally agree!

@myerkord

20 күн бұрын

Wasn't there another murder location also ??

I was at a party just 5 houses down from the 10050 address. Around midnight, someone had the suggestion to walk down to the grounds where the massacre had happened. It was only 5 years after the tragedy. Supposedly everything was still the same. Same gates, same telephone pole that Tex climbed to snap the phone lines, ECT. It was a bit eerie, witnessing this famous site where horror had engulfed numerous lives resulting in their deaths. I wanted to get the heck out of there immediately but the "hangers on" insisted on trying to get further into the property. I walked away in disgust, visualizing the absolute mayhem that occurred at that property. I didn't take a momento or a souvenir from the area. I found it too disgusting to do so. It was 1975 and I was only 17 years old, but looked like I was 25, an early bloomer. Full facial beard growth, shaven, and deep voice. Those were the attributes that got me invited to various parties. I wasn't even born in California. Anyway, the entire situation was horrific and I'm so sorry for the victims and the families.

@serenatwilite4005

Жыл бұрын

Wow, very interesting story, what a spooky evening that must have been to go there so soon after the murders. From what I've heard Rudi Altobelli , the owner may have still been living there at the time. I think I heard he cleaned it up and moved back in shortly after the murders, didn't have a problem with it, said it still felt like a peaceful place to him.

@hughhaefner3317

Жыл бұрын

@@serenatwilite4005 yes it's etched in my mind forever.

@tinamarieg.

Жыл бұрын

@@serenatwilite4005actually Sharon tates dad was forced to clean the house after the murders. Rudy had the nerve to charge Sharon’s family for it!

@user-ox1jw7ur6g

7 ай бұрын

​@@tinamarieg. I don't know why the owner of Cielo didn't replace the carpets. He could've afforded it surely.

@jayg5391

5 ай бұрын

What an absolute gentleman.

Thanks for including info on Mark Lindsay, member of one of the most underrated bands of that era or any era: Paul Revere and the Raiders.

That was interesting hearing the details about the showbiz people and actors who lived in the house. Sounds like it has been haunted for many, many years even before the murders.

As beautiful as it was, to me, the house had an aura about it, almost doom like. When I see pictures of it, it's secluded and arguably the best view in BenedictCanyon. It's seclusion made this house the best AND worst place for Sharon to end up. Because of the conflict Manson had with Wilson/Melcher, he had his designs on this house and all who occupied it. It was in essence, cursed. Manson was told Melcher had moved out but I don't think he really believed that. I think he thought Terry was still there...when he showed up 2 weeks before the murders looking for Terry and Sharon's photographer told him Melcher had moved and shooed Manson off the property, maybe when he seen Sharon , he mistakenly thought it was Terry's gf Candi Bergen and that they still were living there. Thus 2 weeks later, the murders happened. I could be wrong but it's just a feeling I have. Manson may have spewed his helter skelter babble and some may have believed it....but the murders on August 8, 1969 had nothing to do with Helter Skelter and everything to do with Melcher and Mansons anger towards Melcher and the rejection he felt.

@HAllegraLansing

3 жыл бұрын

I agree - although the event where he showed up was on March 23rd, nearly six months before the murders. Sharon left the next day for Italy and didn’t return until mid-March when her film shoot wrapped. There was something about the seclusion of that home that made it feel safe and yet also attracted those killers. Very sad…

@ahcapella

3 жыл бұрын

Your Candice/Sharon confusion theory makes sense…but for one additional fact: a month or two before the murders, Charles Manson phoned up Gregg Jakobson and asked him if Melcher had a green spyglass at his house. Jakobson told him “Yes,” to which Charlie said, “He doesn’t now,” without offering any further explanation. (The “family” had recently creepy-crawled Terry’s current residence and stolen Doris Day’s telescope…which, it is said, was subsequently used during “Black Panther patrol” at Spahn Ranch!) That event establishes that Manson knew damn well where Terry Melcher was then living-at his famous mom’s beach house in Malibu, _not_ at 10050 Cielo Drive.

@HAllegraLansing

3 жыл бұрын

@@ahcapella Yes - we know that Manson knew for sure that Melcher was no longer living at Cielo by August 9th. His targeting of that home seems to be for a couple of other reasons: it represented wealth and status and his exclusion from the opportunities he was seeking, and Tex knew the layout of the home.

@bromion5123

2 жыл бұрын

@@HAllegraLansing Yes Manson knew the real house of Melcher.But because Melcher had previously lived at cielo drive i think Manson was sending a "message".{To Melcher}

@deborahpatterson3145

2 жыл бұрын

Yes it was too secluded

That entire area is insanely haunted. The David Oman house also in Cielo Drive is considered on of the most haunted locations in the world.

@Iiwii11

2 жыл бұрын

I thought of that too. There’s obviously something strange going on in that general area.

@LoneLee2022

2 жыл бұрын

Sharon's Orb with her son Paul have been seen in that area.

@davidlincolnbrooks

Жыл бұрын

That's the big "Taj Mahal" thing they buiilt afterwards, yes?

@finishin.my.coffee8780

Жыл бұрын

He posted a video last week of the Beetljuice action figures on his mantle. At one point, one of them falls over onto the mantle, then it looks like some unseen force is pressing down on it.

@bod-essebod-esse4142

Жыл бұрын

Maybe there's an Indian burial ground there that the houses are built on.

I always feel sorry for parent visiting that night. And the scared William.

@riccali3519

2 жыл бұрын

The LAPD were brutal towards William. He sued them. Unfortunately, he lost. In interviews with him later he mentioned that the whole experience had negatively affected his life, which led him to substance abuse.

@davidlincolnbrooks

Жыл бұрын

Do you believe that Garretson heard nothing that night... as he has claimed? It is said that the layout of the canyon sort of "ate" sound... Yet I wonder how he could've possibly not heard anything. I suspect he heard plenty and it scared the living shit out of him.

@georgialee6755

Жыл бұрын

davidlincolnbrooks Garretson apparently had music on - not very loud though but enough not to hear. Voyteck was playing music too as they obviously didn’t hear the gunshots when Steve died

Well researched and very informative. I really enjoyed this. I've always wondered what Michelle Morgan thought about the bloodshed that took place at her beautiful cottage.

@angelwings7930

Жыл бұрын

Michelle was interviewed and you can locate it online. She said the house always seemed a bit spooky in other words , and she mentioned odd noises - !

It's so very tragic, what happened 😢 in the house. Making Sharon Tate, the last one killed. She begged for the life of her baby ,she begged them to let her have her baby a day then kill her, they didn't care and stabbed her so many times. Charlie's pack of sadistic killers. They should never be freed. So many people killed for no good reason 😪 . Horrible events ,senseless killings, can't be forgotten. So sad

@annaviking5970

Жыл бұрын

You took the words out of my mouth..so gruesome and vile and senseless! This case has stuck with me since I became aware of it back in 1994..just a 15 year old girl living in Sweden..I wrote an essay about Charles Manson and the murders and still to this day I am so intrigued and just disgusted with this case..I often think just how FREAKING TERRIFYING this would've been for these poor victims..omg I get scared just thinking about it you know?? And that young boy Steven Parent..what a horrible twist of fate..he was literally just visiting his friend for one hour and had one beer and that was his fate..he was probably thinking that he should've just stayed home..so horrific..ugh..i'm so sad about this..but still I can't stop researching true crime..even though it really upsets me..sorry for the rant..

Rudi was my closest friend. I miss him deeply. I will always love him; he was like a brother and a father to me. He never touched me because I was straight. He had such respect for me. We were so close in metaphysical understandings that our relationship was purely a true friendship. We would speak for hours on end. Deeply.

@HAllegraLansing

2 жыл бұрын

David, I'd love to learn more about Rudi and your friendship with him. Please feel free to email me at themansonfamily_mtts@yahoo.com.

@michaelhoggarth89

2 жыл бұрын

Mrs H ...David Say more about Rudi plz..He sounds an awesome dude 🇬🇧

@janiceince1965

Жыл бұрын

Tell us more please

@HAllegraLansing

Жыл бұрын

I corresponded with David for a couple months but sadly haven’t heard back from him in some time. I hope he is well.

@serenatwilite4005

Жыл бұрын

I think Rudi must have had some kind of deep spiritual understanding that he could feel comfortable to go on living in his beloved home in spite of all that had happened there. I admire and respect him for standing his ground and enjoying his home, in spite of what others might have been thinking about him.

This is a great documenty with photos I haven't seen before. Thank you .

@HAllegraLansing

2 жыл бұрын

You're very welcome!!

Amazing how cheap the homes at ciello drive were .I'm in love with ciello drive 10050 it was beautiful.

Wow. I never realized that house had so much history beyond Sharon Tate. I never knew that Terry Melcher was Doris Day's son. I never knew Candance Bergen had any ties to the house or that she had a lucrative modeling career years before Murphy Brown. Growing up in the 80' s, I only knew her as Murphy Brown.

I enjoyed the indepth background information about this house before the horror of 1969. This is first time after all of these years that I was able to see that qualify of insight. Good job.

Fifteen years later, if you walked up to the gate of the house it felt like the temperature suddenly dropped ten degrees. You just knew something awful happened there.

One of the best summaries I've heard

@HAllegraLansing

2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate that Aaron!

Thank you so much for the resesrch. Amazing!!!

Wow, even the first part of this story is spooky enough in itself with all the affairs and strange events that took place long before the murders in ‘69. I never really knew about some the earlier instances leading up to that horrible night. But this video is very explicit and well put together. It’s definitely intriguing enough to follow up with part 2.

@HAllegraLansing

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Steve!

Very detailed, well done!

Melcher knew a lot more about the background of the murders, but was given a very easy time due to who his mother was.

@tonyii3818

Жыл бұрын

Proof. Let's have it.

@hhsg11

Жыл бұрын

@@tonyii3818 Tom O’Neill’s book called Chaos.

@ProudKansan08

Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure there was a lot of people who knew more but refused to help.

@tonyii3818

Жыл бұрын

@@ProudKansan08 no doubt.

@serenatwilite4005

Жыл бұрын

I think a lot of their friends knew more than they were telling about Sharon and things that had gone on at the house. I think most of them were using drugs at the time and had drugs in their homes and really didn't want to deal with detectives snooping around. I think they were all afraid for their lives and afraid of getting arrested, who could blame them? It had to be a really spooky time for all of them. I think the biggest joke is the way Sharon's image has been so sugar coated over the decades out of sympathy for her. From what I've heard her pregnancy wasn't stopping her from doing her fair share of partying both here in the US and in Europe. I think both her and Roman put up a false front about how thrilled she was over the pregnancy and how "healthy" she was trying to be to deflect any suspicion if there was problems with the pregnancy, because I have heard from people that knew her that she was doing drugs in spite of it, due to being addicted, and that neither one of them had really wanted it in the first place. I was told by a friend of hers that she couldn't make up her mind about it, waited too long to get an abortion, and then decided that she was going to just not worry about it, thinking that all the drugs she was doing would likely cause a spontaneous abortion. I have heard she was addicted to heroin. When that didn't happen and the pregnancy seemed to be going to full term, she tried to come to an acceptance of it and get excited about it, but this friend told me that Sharon had complained to her that she hadn't felt the baby move for weeks and was concerned that it might be stillborn. So very different from everything we've heard about it in the media. She said Sharon was very concerned about her Catholic mother finding out that she might have killed her baby, that Sharon's mother was overjoyed about the pregnancy. With everyone feeling so bad about what happened to her, nobody was going to come forth and talk about something like that at the time. Her image has become so sugar coated since, and of course, Debra Tate is ready to bite the head off of anyone that says one bad word about her, and certainly nobody was going to bring up something like that while Doris Tate was still alive. I hope more info comes out in the future.

Excellent account of the Cielo Drive property.

@HAllegraLansing

3 жыл бұрын

Appreciate it, Joe!~

This was wonderful to watch. Thanks for all the information.

I really enjoyed this one. Some information regarding Manson and Tex being in 10050 multiple times before August '69 is interesting.

Never heard this before! Brilliant work. Nicholas Schreck pronounced Cielo with a hard C as in Cello, because Bel Air streets were Italian names, like Stradella drive.

@williamfurman7498

Жыл бұрын

Italian as well.

Amazing stuff and I love your voice, looking forward to a binge watch...😊

@HAllegraLansing

Жыл бұрын

Wow, thank you!

Wooooow I thought I knew it all but I just found out so much more! Thank you for this priceless research

@HAllegraLansing

3 жыл бұрын

I'm so glad!

I must say it's fantastic editing, so well done ! Greets, Tom, Belgium.

@HAllegraLansing

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate that Tom!

@greenbeans575

Жыл бұрын

Lose the droning four piano notes. Annoying!

I am only 2 minutes into this AND I LOVE IT ALREADY!!!!! Great job!!!!

My father knew the Parent family and went to Steven's funeral. The family was shattered.

@HAllegraLansing

Жыл бұрын

Their loss is just heartbreaking. Thank you for sharing this. 💔

@soso8824

Жыл бұрын

Wow. If only Steven hadn't met William Garrettson.✝️😇🙏

stunning take on the history of the canyon. and there's a part 2! ❤

@HAllegraLansing

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for that!

Mrs H .... The house was beautiful...Such a sad shame it was torn down but I can understand why it had to go even though it was the land itself that haunted.... May all those RIP that died on the land...

Fascinating installment. I am huge Lillian Gish fan, but I never knew she stayed at the house. You have such interesting info and photos, and I love the presentation.

@HAllegraLansing

3 жыл бұрын

Appreciate that, Jason! I just love those pictures of LG at Cielo - even older she has such a wistful, romantic look

@HAllegraLansing

2 жыл бұрын

Very briefly - a few months we believe

What we're talking about here is Feng Shui: I just knew that house had to have some (intrinsically) bad Feng Shui before the Tate incident, hence the several reports, years apart, of it feeling haunted and creepy (for no readily apparent reason). It's well that they just demolished it... it's hard to fix bad Feng Shui if it is built into the structure's very blueprint, as I'm convinced it was at 10050.

@davidlincolnbrooks

Жыл бұрын

@@sylvia810 Well, there's the Feng Shui of your interior furniture, yes; easily corrected. But what I'm talking about here is the (global) alignment of a house and its rooms-- its hard structure--- against the terrain around it. This is the hardest kind of bad Feng Shui to fix. It's what I suspect dogged the original Cielo address.

The house that Melcher moved into after Cielo was owned by his mother and located in Malibu. Too many crazy things wete happening, so Melcher and Bergen basically packed up and left quickly keeping their new location as secret as could be.

Awesome job! You find some great pictures.

@HAllegraLansing

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

by far the best story of this infamous house

@HAllegraLansing

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you 🙏

@super20dan

2 жыл бұрын

@@HAllegraLansing no one else has ever told of the murder /susicide that took place there. no doubt that area is extremly paranormal active. check out the david oman house next to where the tate house was

Very interesting documentary Excellent research. Enjoyed it immensely

@HAllegraLansing

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it!

Tex had stayed at Cielo before the murders for a short period when Greg Jacobson was staying there, so he actually had a more intimate knowledge of the house (and knew Rudy’s dogs) that extended beyond a mere visit.

@meganrouse3970

Жыл бұрын

How do you know that?

@georgialee6755

Жыл бұрын

Yes Tex had been at the house as well - don’t know if he lived there or not

@serenawilliams6138

Жыл бұрын

@@georgialee6755 He lived there (staying with Greg Jakobson) in October and November of 1968, before Polanski & Tate took over the lease from Rudy Altobelli in February, 1969.

@HAllegraLansing

Жыл бұрын

I have not seen anything to this nature. Deane Moorehouse stayed there for three days in January 1969 while Altobelli was looking for his next tenants. Tex visited the property on three occasions according to his own statements. Jakobson, I do not believe, ever lived or stayed at Cielo.

@meganrouse3970

Жыл бұрын

@@georgialee6755 where did you find that information

Thank you and your great research. So many details I've never heard just amazing. Thank you again and I can't wait for what's next.

@HAllegraLansing

3 жыл бұрын

Yay! Thank you Andrew - glad you are enjoying it.

Such history never knew very interesting

Another awesome job wow were loving your channel.

@HAllegraLansing

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Chris!

Amazing .... I went to this house in 1980. Before it was torn down. You've got great pics I've never seen

@HAllegraLansing

11 ай бұрын

Anything you remember from the house that you would like to share?

I absolutely love your videos ♡ such cool facts i never knew. I usually dont like longer videos, but yours keep me wanting more

@HAllegraLansing

Ай бұрын

@@frostedcherrybon thank you! ❄️🍒

People had a sense of aesthetics then, and the stars were more modest in their tastes!

Sharon's sister told an interviewer that some of the Manson family members had swam in their pool, ate food at the table with sterling silverware. At that time, there was an ambience of acceptance, the hippie movement, which allowed the rich to mix with the hippies in those days of love and drug experimentation.

Another great factual story. Keep going.

@HAllegraLansing

3 жыл бұрын

Will do!

😢❤ Thanks for the video and story just found your channel

@HAllegraLansing

Ай бұрын

Welcome!

Thought I had heard everything on this subject! Excellent video!!👍

You really have a talent for telling the story about this house and The Manson Family. I feel like I want to read and/or listen to more with your constant research, pictures, and information. I am hooked to listening to your facts. You’re an excellent narrator. Love your channel. I’m going to have to get your book and or audio book. 🦋💕

@francisebbecke2727

Жыл бұрын

The label "Manson Family" was a press creation. They never referred to themselves by that name. It could have just as well be referred to as the "Atkins family," or the "Watson family" considering that Manson was not physically present at the murders, but both of them were quite the active participants.

@wendyladybug355laurie4

Жыл бұрын

@@francisebbecke2727 MANSON WAS PRESENT & A WILLING PARTICIPANT IN THE LABIANCA MURDERS'!!!!MAY ALL OF THE VICTIMS'OF THESE EVIL,VILE DEMONS'BE WITH OUR HEAVENLY FATHER IN HIS GLORIOUS KINGDOM AND MAY GOD BLESS ALL OF THEIR LOVED ONES'!!!!MAY GOD BLESS ALL, MAY WE ALL STAND STRONG TOGETHER IN FAITH MANY PRAYERSNLUV WWG1WGA 👼👼👼✝️✝️❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥🙏🙏🕊️🕊️🌹🌹🥰🥰💝💝💃💃💫💫💝💝💫💫

@francisebbecke2727

Жыл бұрын

@@wendyladybug355laurie4 Just read about the LABIANCA MURDERS. True, Manson was there at the beginning, but left before the actual killings. Manson had a "talent" for getting others to do the killing for him, not that Watson or Van Houten, or Atkins needed much convincing. Did Manson ever himself kill anybody? Maybe not. But did Adolph Hitler ever himself kill anybody even in World War I? He was a messenger between trenches. Manson talked middle class young people into murder. Hitler talked a whole nation into murder.

@HAllegraLansing

Жыл бұрын

We now believe Manson was present at the murder of Shorty Shea and perhaps participated.

@francinefrancine6871

Жыл бұрын

@christohper Hi Dr. Christopher Johnson. I’m doing ok, been a little under the weather. Yes, that would be nice if we were friends. I’m originally from Georgia, yep I’m still a Southern Girl. I moved up to Cape Girardeau Missouri with my Mom about 18 years ago. I’m in the Southeast Missouri Part. I’m sure you have nice weather where you are? Thanks for taking time out to say Hello.

Wow, thank you for your video. It's great to the before and after, not to mention the history of the area.

@HAllegraLansing

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you G!

@glampreda3803

2 жыл бұрын

@@HAllegraLansing I love the extra kernels of information you give.

Thank you for sharing the history of this house. I have been fascinated with this house since the murders happened (I was 10 at the time).

@HAllegraLansing

Жыл бұрын

You are very welcome! It’s fascinating history, for sure.

Great video, well done.

@HAllegraLansing

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

*H,* I just want to let you know I really appreciate you and what you’re sharing with us! I love your approach and narrative! ❤

@HAllegraLansing

11 ай бұрын

Thank you Sarah! This story is still relevant with much we can learn from.

Great work!

I grew up on Cielo Drive in the 1960’s

@HAllegraLansing

2 жыл бұрын

Wow - would love to hear your memories about the neighborhood!

Very interesting. I knew nothing of Jacobsen being arrested and Tex going there for money. Soooo interesting

Lillian Gish did an interview about the property. She also said it was haunted and had very bad vibes and could not wait to leave. I use to have the link to this, I will see if I can locate it. Definitely interesting.

@HAllegraLansing

11 ай бұрын

Yes please share!

Cielo in Spanish is sky.

@sylviajohnson8454

Жыл бұрын

Interesting ~

@robinrobyn1714

Жыл бұрын

It also means ' Heaven ' in Spanish.

The interior décor was so much prettier at first than when Sharon lived there, but as I understand it Sharron wanted to redecorate but never got the chance. Also I notice Michele Morgan dabbing on Jicky at 6:53, a fragrance that Sharon also had.

@HAllegraLansing

2 жыл бұрын

The fragrance connection was one I never noticed - thank you!

53 years ago today!

Best video yet! TY

If the property was haunted before the murders I cant imagine how haunted it was after. A lot negative energy at this location.

All of this happened on my birthday. I lived just down the 405 fwy. in Orange County. I remember this all very well.

It looked like the group of kitties were outdoor cats with plenty of yard space -- hence the house didn't smell. I read Sharon was feeding some cats. Probably left behind when Melcher moved. She loved animals.

@sheenamarieragusa1105

Жыл бұрын

She actually brought a cat in the night of the murders

@HAllegraLansing

Жыл бұрын

A little kitten that she was feeding with an eye dropper

@angelwings7930

Жыл бұрын

A house won’t smell just because there are cats in it unless the owner is a lazy slob who won’t clean the litter pan.

@angelwings7930

Жыл бұрын

@@sheenamarieragusa1105 Oh where did you hear about that ? 🙄

Thanks so much for sharing! This was really interesting!

There are some films on the net of pre Manson life at the Sharon Tate/Roman Polanski house and it was normal everyday life for a younger wealthy set of friends. It was very normal life of good friends and for the most part these people were not uber celebrities of that era but socialites and up and coming celebs. What drew Manson was that Terry Melcher had lived there and even tough Manson was a talentless buffoon he had it in his mind Melcher was his downfall and had Melcher helped him he'd be a great success so it seems he sent his goons to the Tate/Polanski house out of vengeance. Who knows? He was a monster. Interestingly, growing up in show business Terry Melcher spotted Manson for what he had been which is a nutcase and hightailed it out of the house. Home was knocked down years ago.

Beautiful job. Lillian Gish lived there also.

This is an interesting site. You do your homework. You're good at storytelling

@HAllegraLansing

2 жыл бұрын

I really appreciate that, Steve!

Very well done. Great research effort. Terrific photo curating, procurement. Lot in here I did not know.

Theirs alot more detail in these documentaries type videos than others which I find interesting. Seems like the place the manson familymoved to was appropriately named " death vally". The chances pple gave him he took for granted, & ended up being the worst mistake they would make.

I doubt Bergen was being snooty toward Tex. Sometimes you just get a vibe about someone that isn't right. Turns out her gut instinct was correct.

Why they would demolish that house. It doesn’t take away what happened up that hill. It was a beautiful landscape, charming home replaced with a ridiculous monstrosity which took up all that beautiful property. No disrespect to the murder victims but it didn’t change a thing other than an eye sore. Sharon would have hated it. Why do people continue bothering neighbors by walking up there day and night for 54yrs? What do they hope to see?

P.S. My comment was only referenced to the music. Your documentary was interesting, and certainly showed the deceptively idyllic surroundings, and the beautiful estate and history,

When will Cielo Drive:The House of Love and Terror part 2 be done? I really want to see the second part. I will be watching for it. Thanks again by the way for all your hard work and research.

@HAllegraLansing

2 жыл бұрын

Not for a few more weeks. I want to catch up on the docuseries first. The other videos aren’t as time consuming as the longer topics like that.

Sharon and *5* others were killed that night. Abigail Folger, Jay Sebring, Voytek Frykowski, Steve Parent, and last but not least, Paul Richard Polanski, Sharon's baby.

@riccali3519

2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes Steve Parent is forgotten because he wasn't a celebrity.

Whats with the WTF comment about the 14 cats?? Id MUCH rather deal with 14 or for that matter,114 cats,than deal with the low lifes that Terry Melcher surrounded himself with!!

@kittykatz4001

3 ай бұрын

Amen 🙏!

Great background story of this property and it's beginning. I got more details from this video than I have with all the other videos combined. Not sure how I missed this one.

@HAllegraLansing

6 ай бұрын

Welcome!

The spirits of the early Indians and Spanish do not want to let go of their land.

@HAllegraLansing

2 жыл бұрын

❤️❤️❤️

The reason that bedroom was creepy and always cold. Thats probably the room where the woman killed herself. Makes sense. 😳

@nicholasshade

2 жыл бұрын

Do you mean The Black Bride?🖤

@sexxysadie2973

Жыл бұрын

I know this is going to sound very strange. But maybe the weird happenings and oddities several people experienced there including Sharon Tate before the actual murders took place, was due to not what happened in the past but what was going to happen in the future? Maybe there’s a portal or something in that area? I’ve heard of this theory before and I know it sounds unbelievable to skeptics out there but I’m wondering if there’s some truth to it. I know when Sharon was living with Jay Sebring when they were engaged she had a nightmare while staying in the house alone while Sebring was out working. What she described in the nightmare was like a premonition of what was going to happen to her a few years later at Cielo Dr. I know it really shook her up to say the least. Seeing your own death even in a nightmare would be mortifying.

Very well done.

Bravo nice job

Sounds to me that this house had somewhat of a curse to it. Very sad that Sharon loved it so much that she wanted to live there. Or she wud still b alive. 😒😕

Brilliant documentary ❤

It's interesting the stories of the house being "Haunted" because as I'm sure you know a house right down the street, the Oman House is itself famous for being Haunted.

@rhondabitler5474

2 ай бұрын

Is that the Paul Bern (spelling)house where Jay Sebring lived? I think that house is in the area of Cielo Drive.

I always thought the house should have been left as a piece of history the nine inch nails video gave up shows the inside of the house I think they were the last people to rent it out

So happy I have found your channels much interesting facts and such a. Joy to hear you! Much thanks to Sotoner v. HOUTEN and Delinda Haynes for finding you. Looking forward to hearing much more from you!

@HAllegraLansing

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Debbie - welcome aboard!

Sharon Tate was really funny in The Wrecking Crew(1968). She smashes her car into Matt Helm's car in one scene. Jay Sebring was a friend of Bruce Lee.

When they showed those 14 cats meowing, that was pretty scary.😾😿😸🙀😼😽😹😻🎃👻

@denisewalsh6586

Жыл бұрын

WTF? Charles Manson and his killers are the SCARY ones not a bunch of meowing kittens!

@nicholasshade1366

Жыл бұрын

@@denisewalsh6586 that’s a lot of cats to take care of. 🐈 🐈‍⬛

@nancyarensdorf1503

10 ай бұрын

I wonder what happened to them. 😿

Can You Imagine if Charlie got a contract with the 'Alice Cooper' band???? Frank Zappa signed the 'Coop' way back when 69/70...... Oh man, just missed each other!!!

.Great information, especially for those of us who have become fascinated by this house! But it should be noted that the WINDOW in which Michele Morgan was perched while sketching in the publicity photo ( as shown @6:06 ) was accessible via the second floor of the _garage._ (That’s *not* a shot of one of the upper-level living room windows-in case anyone is confused about that. You can tell by the abundance of roof shingles below the window frame; the two upper-level living room windows didn’t have shingles below them.) For Michele to get from the half-loft on the west side of the living room to one of the upper-level windows on the _east_ side of the living room would have required her to take a running leap, after which she’d have to fly approximately nine feet across the room-a feat worthy of Spiderwoman!

@HAllegraLansing

3 жыл бұрын

thank you! I hadn't realized it was the garage upper window and assumed it was from the loft.

@courtneykatona996

3 жыл бұрын

Wow!!!

@ahcapella

3 жыл бұрын

@@HAllegraLansing You are welcome!

There's something else, very creepy, that occurred in that house, prior to the murders. One night, Voytek, Gibby , Jay, Sharon and an unidentified woman, were eating dinner, in the house. Someone had placed a video recorder,on a tripod, aimed at them, as they conversed and ate dinner. Voytek was drinking, and as he became more and more drunk, he went from referring to Gibby as "Lady Folger", to " Lady F". And as the meat from the roast was being cut, the sounds of the knife , cutting the bone, was amazingly loud, on the audiotape. ( Katie Krenwinkel would later complain,that as she was stabbing the victims in the room, her knife kept striking bones). Furthermore - as Voytek became even more inebriated, he suddenly became alarmed at a weird vision he was seeing: a blazing pig's head, in the fireplace. A pig"s head. Later, Susan Atkins would write" PIG", in Sharon Tate's blood, on the front door.

@soso8824

Жыл бұрын

😮😮😮😮😮

@angelwings7930

Жыл бұрын

Inebriated or taking “medications”…

@robinrobyn1714

Жыл бұрын

@@angelwings7930 Inebriated.

@robinrobyn1714

Жыл бұрын

@@angelwings7930 As I stated, he is drinking alcohol and the more alcohol he drank, the more bizarre his behavior became

@angelwings7930

Жыл бұрын

@@robinrobyn1714 And how do you know exactly what Frykowski was putting in his system ?

it would be awesome to learn who lived there after 1969.. I was surprised to learn that Olivia Hussey lived there after Tate murders. Trent Reznor lived there, too, before that new monstrosity was built.

@HAllegraLansing

2 жыл бұрын

Part 2 will be available VERY soon!

@marcusbell5383

2 жыл бұрын

Think the owner lived there after the murders

@marcusbell5383

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure Rudy outobelli lived in there after murders he owned the property

@cuppasilverbullets

2 жыл бұрын

Rudy was friends with Olivia Hussey makes since also Rudy probably needed a good friend after losing Sharon

@geslinam9703

2 жыл бұрын

Olivia Hussey lived there before the murders. A few weeks after the murders, the owner moved in, and lived there for around 20 years. Strange that in all the interviews he has given, he never said anything was strange about the property, and neither has anyone else who lived there.

Just wondering is there a part 2 for this video

@HAllegraLansing

2 жыл бұрын

Working on it now!

Awesome video!