I’d love a follow up video on how you “caught up” on normal education once you left

@jesshudson55

2 жыл бұрын

Me too, I feel so behind still and I'm 37.

@MP-il8ys

2 жыл бұрын

In case it helps someone: My indoctrination wasn't as severe, but I did miss out on learning about topics like evolution. As an adult, I've enjoyed catching up on science topics by auditing free classes through Coursera and the Harvard Extension School, reading on my own (hint- Dr. Robert Sapolsky is HILARIOUS), watching science shows like "Cosmos," and visiting natural history museums whenever possible. It's bizarre to think that one person's dry, academic lecture is another person's incredibly juicy dive into a taboo topic.

@adri9795

2 жыл бұрын

I would really benefit from that. I left my cult group in April and I’m trying desperately to catch up

@peniscapture068

2 жыл бұрын

I was only homeschooling one year, but I got adopted when I was 8 so my education was already behind. I don't even know if I learned truths or not. It just feels like what is reality and what isn't all the time

@ersgtr3421

2 жыл бұрын

@@peniscapture068 adoption must be controlled by federal government. The parents are tough on children in every way including religion. Unfortunately it is the religious parents who want to adopt. All generalizations are incorrect but I am sure most people will agree with me

Suddenly I understand why it's so difficult for people to actually agree on "the science" - there seems to be a whole lot of people who didn't actually learn any science in school, so how would they be able to recognise it in adulthood? As someone from outside of the US, this was really enlightening!

@sandrogattorno4962

2 жыл бұрын

Same for me, I've pass a lot of time not understanding the stupidity of non-arguments shown in a thousand videos that deal with all these American cults. I was drawing wrong conclusions like; Americans are all stupid, have a hideous school system or are full of scammers and naive people. I used the term Brainwashed superficially, I meant it as a small mass media propaganda that made itself effective by playing on the pride of the Americans and misinforming them with partisan narratives. I did not realize that instead they were brainwashing in the proper sense of the term operated for years on minors. Congratulations to the author of the video because it must not be easy to regain possession of one's critical sense.

@homosexualitymydearwatson4109

2 жыл бұрын

I saw a comment written by a Christian ex homeschooled person who said that people should question science. That theories are subject to change. Theories only change because educated people in the topic that they’re changing tested with backed up research the theories they changed

@manub.3847

2 жыл бұрын

In my country, homeschooling is only allowed under certain conditions (Cov.; other long periods of illness, etc.), but the possibility of having religious education (up to the 9th grade) in school is also part of it. I myself went to a Christian school and had religious instruction until I graduated from school, to be honest, these "paintings" weren't part of the 8th grade. At the same time we learned historical context to the biblical texts and in which form we can implement Jesus' teachings in the "now" age (and also that we would probably all be too stupid/blind to recognize him;) ). We learned about sects/cults and other religions. All subjects were based on the state curriculum.

@jbeiler55

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah kinda puts a different spin on things when you have to believe all these scientists can be so wrong about about the age of the earth and the development of life

@sandrogattorno4962

2 жыл бұрын

@@jbeiler55 What???

It is disgraceful that this counts as education in America. It's child abuse to keep kids so ignorant.

@midnitemoon1153

2 жыл бұрын

The mantra literally sounds like something from a cult… oh wait

@sadpee7710

2 жыл бұрын

i'm a teacher in training and this has legitmitally left me feeling lightheaded. im enraged someone could teach like this.

@tombirmingham7033

2 жыл бұрын

I know a pilot that went to a Christian Theocratic school. He's a flat earther. Pilot for an airline

@tombirmingham7033

2 жыл бұрын

I know grown men not think Jesus rode around on a dinosaur. Somehow they have really good well-paying jobs mostly due to family connection

@tamarahowell8683

2 жыл бұрын

I wasn’t told, or least had it scientifically explained, by a legitimate teacher until college that the earth is not 6,000 years old and that there is hard evidence of civilizations before ancient egypt

“This is supposed to be a science class… where the fuck is the science?” Best quote in the video 😂

@travisbic

2 жыл бұрын

Would it be better or worse if there was at least bad science instead of none at all?

@thoughtsurferzone5012

6 ай бұрын

I know. They don't even take a stab at pseudoscience. It makes Answers in Genesis look like Oxford.

I watched this as a retired public school science teacher. I was expecting to see a lot more “bad” science such as geology that supports young earth creationism, and poorly glossed over biology. I was also expecting to see more lightly glossed over accepted science, like “how the water cycle proves God” which would at least include the water cycle. I’m shocked to see that the only science that was mentioned at all was evolution, and of course with no understanding of it at all. So this is even worse than I’d expected. I have the same question that many others have. How did you catch up? There is a lot to learning science. I hope you’ve had a chance to take some courses.

@kathryngeeslin9509

2 жыл бұрын

I had long thought the same, expected the same. Eye-opening.

@sonofthesun2297

2 жыл бұрын

I was expecting more too. I remember when I use to be a believer I had better arguments for what I beleived. This is full blown brainwash. I'm sorry for those who go through this.

@travisbic

2 жыл бұрын

I think like most people, I was expecting the broad strokes of a science curriculum with all the important details left out to allow for a biblical interpretation. But no, this is just christian indoctrination with no science at all.

@chainsawartbyjustinberry4401

2 жыл бұрын

I was raised very similar and have a uncle that deeply believes everything they say and with help of the church can dance a circle big enough to dance around everything taught in public schools it's Incredible they pass evolution off as were you once a monkey and wake up man they will twist any fact they have to to fit there narrative and then threatens you with hell for questioning them

@deankastler1334

2 жыл бұрын

Christian schools won’t fully teach scientific facts. They will teach you the outcomes of experiments that can be manipulated to “proving” the existence of their god. I became a STEM major after leaving my Christian school and the church entirely. It was a lot of catching up I had to do, but luckily you essentially start off with a clean slate when learning the material lol

I was a secular home schooler, attended a few sessions of a “biology class” in which they spent the entire time attacking evolution. I knew enough to tell my mom what was going on and she was smart enough to take me out. This is giving me such flashbacks.

@KJ-lb4tj

2 жыл бұрын

Sad, but true

@BlacksmithTWD

2 жыл бұрын

I recall having a pupil who when it came to evolution said : "I don't need to learn this, as I don't believe it to be true" On which I replied : "I don't require you to believe it to be true, I merely require you to be able to reproduce it, as it is what many other people in this world believe to be true" Basically repeating the priest who taught the relgion class when I was a pupil myself, where some students tried to use the same excuse for not having to learn about hinduism, islam or christianity.

@ChJuHu93

2 жыл бұрын

@@BlacksmithTWD Using that as an authority to force students to learn required knowledge it might work, but your remark is terrible in its conclusion. The student should be able to understand the position they disagree with and not the strawmen they are indoctrinated with or merely recite a definition. This does serve them to pass the grade, and disserves them when having a discussion of ideas/politics later in life.

@BlacksmithTWD

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChJuHu93 How is what I said forcing pupils? What conclusion was so terrible according to you? What do you think the age of the pupil was when it happened?

@ChJuHu93

2 жыл бұрын

@@BlacksmithTWD "I merely require you to be able to reproduce it" A teacher is an authority towards their students. Therefor any suggestion has a weight. "force" may be too strong of a word, but it's the most fitting I know of. The implication of your quote is a mindless repitition of a definition. You encourage the student to learn the definition/keypoints and not the meaning behind the theory of biodiversity. => It will probably help them pass their tests, but that mindset won't prepare them to have a real discussion with opposition. As the topic at hand is evolution, somewhere between 5th and 10th grade. -> 10-17

Wow. I'm an outsider to this, and while I was prepared for the religious propaganda, what somehow shocked me even more was the complete lack of actual information about ANYTHING outside of religion! Indoctrinating children is clearly awful, but completely depriving them of information and education about the world is awful too. How would you function in the world if you have no idea what anything is or how it works? How do you catch up from an entire childhood devoid of education?

@RichWoods23

2 жыл бұрын

I think the idea is that these poor kids are not meant to function in the world but just be a soldier for Christ, because the End Times (as we all know) are upon us. Again.

@sierrafarnum9689

2 жыл бұрын

I will say that at least for me and my siblings it has taught us to value real education more than others and try harder at learning the material. That doesn't mean that anyone should be kept from education, but I think that any child who is naturally grows a curiosity that can really help them.

@davidlafleche1142

2 жыл бұрын

I'm a Christian, and I don't believe in "nationalism."

@kathryngeeslin9509

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidlafleche1142 Regrettably, many do, Christians and others, and it always perverts a religion (except "religions" like North Korea, honoring the Kim dynasty). They are very dangerous to anyone of different beliefs, but especially to people who actually don't respect and serve national governments. They can quote verses "Give unto Caesar" and how God appoints authorities as they ignore equally valid quotes from you. They have a real fear of a nationless world, their "one world government" they see as Satan. Take care.

@davidlafleche1142

2 жыл бұрын

@@kathryngeeslin9509 Granted, the "One-World Government" is definitely Satanic. God wants all the nations to be isolated from each other.

.......as a queer black girl this is like a blueprint detailing the "divine" philosophy of our oppressors. thanks so much for teaching this!

@midnitemoon1153

2 жыл бұрын

As another queer girl who’s in a lesser version of this education system, it really sucks. Especially the fact that I have to hide myself to avoid suspicion

@paloma_lopez

Жыл бұрын

And your not indotrinating children with queer beliefs 🙄 please at least some in church u have in option to be or not to be christian , but in your community ur forced by ur cult leaders.

It’s depressing to think that there are children being taught this right now.

@ExFundieDiaries

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I agree.

@atheistechoes9594

3 жыл бұрын

Yup

@lacey892

2 жыл бұрын

At the start of covid when my son's school went virtual I decided to just homeschool on our own schedule rather than doing the virtual thing... Imagine my surprise at just how ingrained religion is in so many family's homeschool curriculum... (I'm in Alabama so there are no cover laws) It was actually a real challenge to find helpful resources for secular homeschooling!

@Eli_the_fiend

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I was and still depressed. 🙂

@mandacole8703

2 жыл бұрын

@@lacey892 we are homeschooling in WV and I've definitely had to tell people things like " We are positive excepting people and our kids can play together in public meet-up settings, but we aren't interested in attending any church services ". It's also crazy how many religious curriculums there are compared to secular curriculums available to purchase.

"This page is about the weather, so naturally we have some notes about Satan." 😂 On a serious note, thank you for sharing this (not at all funny) look into what Christian nationalists are subjecting their children and "students" to. My heart aches for every kid whose right to an education is violated to such a horrifying extent. I really appreciate your honesty and vulnerability. Hugs.

@budd2nd

2 жыл бұрын

Wow I couldn’t agree more. I was just thinking how to phrase what I wanted to say, but there’s no need as you did it for me and perfectly too. Thanks 😊

@davidlafleche1142

2 жыл бұрын

I am a Christian, and I don't believe that, either.

@charisma-hornum-fries

2 жыл бұрын

All of the binder makes me think that if I had to choose some kind of religious system to live by it would be Satanism. I can’t find one redeeming quality in Christianity that doesn’t freak me out or sounds like a horrific nightmare.

@sarahlawrence599

2 жыл бұрын

@@charisma-hornum-fries i promise, the things taught in that binder do not represent true Christianity. please research TRUE Christian beliefs for yourself; don't let this stuff speak for it.

@EyeonthePrize247

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidlafleche1142 Don’t believe what?

I was in some podunk Christian academy for 8 years. Seeing your "curriculum" reminds me of mine. I don't like to think about those days either. Being put into public school was the best thing that ever happened. Watching these videos makes me feel less alone in regards to my religious upbringing and how it impacted my mental health today. This really helps.

@deathbytheblade6757

2 жыл бұрын

'It impacted my mental health today.' < This really helps.

It's generally easy to know who is LYING using a five part test: 1) The one who says 'everyone else is going to lie to you, except me' is likely the liar. They NEED a conspiracy to explain why their ideas are rejected by the majority. 2) The person who puts focus on the threat that 'if you don't listen you will suffer horribly', rather than on the veracity of the information, is likely the one lying to you. They are using your emotional aversion to pain the steer you away from thinking critically. 3) The person who erects various prohibitions and punishments against doubting and questioning is likely the one lying to you. Good, true ideas love scrutiny, for truth is the natural winner of all honest challenges, and gets stronger after each challenge. 4) The person who focuses on how bad other ideas are, rather than on how true his ideas are, is likely the one lying to you. 5) The person who tries to fence you in from other ideas, by encouraging you not to interact with people who have different ideas, is likely the one who is lying to you. They know that if you have some freedom to think, you will see through their lies.

That line about stiff-necks is anti-Semitic. Jews are referred to in the Torah multiple times as 'a stiff-necked people'. It is presented originally as a warning, 'with drive and determination comes stubbornness and inflexibility, be careful'. The context of this term's biblical use has been warped in Christianity, particularly in fundamentalism, and is presented in Christian exegesis as textual evidence that Christianity replaced Judaism as the 'chosen' religion because Jews were stiff-necked, aka sinful and unworthy. Stiff-necked became both a code word for sin and stubbornness but also for Jews in general. It has the implication that to be Jewish is to be fallen, if not demonic. If good Christian children don't follow the rules they too will fall from their elevated status and be no better than Jews. Christian Nationalism has always walked hand and hand with anti-Semitism, apocalyptic philo-Semitism, and nazism. I think it is important for survivors of this type of upbringing to spend time unpacking this issue because anti-Semitism was baked into the foundations of Christian Nationalism.

@ExFundieDiaries

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing this! I have SO much to learn and unlearn regarding the anti-Semitism of my upbringing.

@Afmedic85

2 жыл бұрын

Christianity has never really been a part of anti Semitism. It's a popular belief though, just like Hitler being a Christian when the reality is he was an athiest with a Jewish mother

@Xstr8edgeX26

2 жыл бұрын

@@Afmedic85 lmao, What!

@harloewestwood4223

2 жыл бұрын

@@Afmedic85 This is not correct. There are many forms of anti-Semitism, but faith-based anti-Semitism is the oldest, most common and deeply rooted in the Christain world and beliefs. Most anti-Semitic canards arose due to Christian persecution of Jews in service of Christian theology. Some examples are 1. the creation of the myth of blood libel and ritual murder. 2. The idea that all Jews are collectively responsible for Jesus' death for all times (which was literally papal law from the 14th c. Until 1962). 3. False accusations of host and church desecration led to Jews being expelled from England and a crusade brought against us in central Europe in the 13th century. And it's not just Catholics. Martin Luther was a violent anti-Semite who wrote several religious texts like 'The Jews and Their Lies' and 'A Warning Against the Jews'. These texts were deeply influential on Protestant thought. They laid out the 'Christain as the perfected Jew' and the 'fallen chosen one' replacement ideologies. These texts were used to support Jewish oppression for centuries and still do. Hitler may have been an atheist, but the German Protestant church was not, and it actively promoted religious justifications for the killing of Jews during the war. I highly recommend the book Demonizing the Jews: Luther and the Protestant Church in Nazi Germany by Christopher J. Probst. Also, remember that Evangelicalism's current state of Philo-Semitism is a form of fetishisation born out of that same replacement theory and is also a form of anti-Semitism.

@harloewestwood4223

2 жыл бұрын

@@Afmedic85 Also, Hitler's mother was not Jewish. She was a devout Catholic, and if she had any distant Jewish genetic ancestry, she and her son didn't know about it in their lives. The evidence of her possible Jewish genetic heritage is also not great. She never lived as, or saw herself as Jewish. The framing of Klara Hitler as a Jew has been used by Holocaust deniers and anti-Semites to blame the Holocaust and nazism on Jews. Sadly this false narrative has entered mainstream pop culture.

Imagine if there was a Pokemon-based religion. "Today we're gonna learn about electricity! Here's Pikachu demonstrating his lightning attack." [Pikaaaa!!!!] "...and now we sing the Pokemon theme song." [I want to be the very best...]

@ExFundieDiaries

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha that sounds way more fun!

@lsmmoore1

2 жыл бұрын

@@ExFundieDiaries And at least Pokemon adheres somewhat more closely to science rules than that does - even though it also makes no pretense of being a true place and borrows rules and elements from both Narnia and Middle-earth (with some of the Middle-earth analogs being more obvious, like the plant Balrog created forcibly from a Pokemon that temporarily shows up in one of the movies and is swiftly defeated by Ash telling the little Pokemon trapped inside the Balrog structure to come around).

@neoqwerty

2 жыл бұрын

@@lsmmoore1 I'm gonna have to stop you and correct a few things: most Pokemon are based on Japanese mythology and japanese pop-culture and IIRC, they mostly know Tolkien's stuff from D&D, or that's what got ingrained into their popular culture instead of Tolkien's works themselves. The only time I can think of anything balrog-like happening with a small Pokemon intervening is in Jirachi: Wish Maker; the Meta Groudon is a fake Groudon and it uses a japanese motif involving a "miasma/cloud of darkness" that forms an "evil version" of a benevolent kaijuu (giant monsters, think Godzilla). Groudon's based on the behemoth and dinosaurs (Ground + -don, a japanese suffix present in dinosaurs/dragons' names); the "behemoth" part is more from its role: Groudon fights a giant sea Pokemon called Kyogre who's based on the leviathan and orcas/whales/sharks. Sorry, I just had to correct things because knowing what most Pokemon reference is one of my longtime fixations, I'm only out of date on the newer generations from ultra sun-moon onward.

@lsmmoore1

2 жыл бұрын

@@neoqwerty I didn't say most Pokemon were based on that. I know most aren't. But there are movies which show parallels in that area. And I don't see Groudon as being balrog-like, because the thing about Balrogs is that those are not only corrupted spirits, they are corrupted directly and run roughshod, with no opposition (other than a person, that is). That's sort of like what happens in the Celebi movie. As surely as the Balrog is a spirit of life that has been corrupted for the purpose of destroying the world, Celebi, in this case, is a spirit of life that is corrupted - directly, and intentionally, with a ball not available in the games, takes on a similar form, with the intent of destroying its world, and in this case, before it has time to take root, the corruption gets undone. And that's not to speak of the way the worlds are created in later movies - or the parallel worlds which occupy it and don't really seem to have a parallel in Japanese mythology (but which does look like a somewhat different and less corrupted version of the types of worlds created in LOTR, created in this case by animal forms instead of human ones).

@margaretlowe5220

2 жыл бұрын

That's closer to science than these people teach!!

Thank you so much for sharing. I homeschooled my son due to medical concerns. It was so hard to find homeschool curriculum that didn't contain this sort of nonsense. I was a Christian and the former wife of a pastor, but I wanted my son to have at least a passing familiarity with real science and history. I didn't want to weigh him down with all that hell nonsense. What I was not willing to teach my own child was the key to the gate that allowed me to begin my own slow, painful deconstruction process. I am so happy for you that you went down this road earlier in life than I did. Best wishes on your journey.

Wow this was excellent! I wasn’t homeschooled but I was definitely raised in a strict evangelical, white nationalist home. I remember when I learned out about the “Trail of Tears” in school. I can home so upset, horrified that the Native Americans were treated this way. I told my mom about how upset I was and she just said, “well, that’s how it was back then.” And that was it. I was then even more upset that my mom wasn’t upset about it. Anyway, I turned away from Christianity after going on a mission trip to China when I was 21. We were told to “save” at least one person a week. We even had a chart where we were supposed to record the names of the Chinese students to whom we were evangelizing (indoctrinating). Keep in mind that if the Chinese government found our charts, the people in them would be sent to jail or worse! 🤔 I ended up befriending one of the girls I was trying to convert and she very nicely, but confidently told me she was an atheist and didn’t want to talk about this anymore, and could we just hang out and hang fun? 😃 So I agreed and we had so much fun the rest of the time. I stopped writing on my chart and was never the same since. It was the first time I met a “sinner” who was a kind, compassionate and moral person. I had no idea a person could be moral without Jesus “in their heart.” 🙈

@bodlefamilyvids

2 жыл бұрын

The Trail of Tears was an awful thing that the Democrats did. As well as Slavery, the internment of Japanese Americans, Jim Crow laws, filibustering the Civil Rights Acts and pushing the neo-racism they now endorse. Stay away from the Democrats, quit voting blue, and maybe we can actually make up for the mistakes of our past, by truly allowing all Americans the freedom they deserve. You will find the same kind of "sinner" "evangelizer" dichotomy on the left everyday.

@theflipper404

2 жыл бұрын

@@bodlefamilyvids Ah yes, because Neo-Nazis, the KKK, Radical White Nationalist Evangelical Christians, and the Proud Boys all vote Democrat today right? The presidential administrations that helped fund Al-Qaeda, Taliban, and ISIS to paint Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Syria and Islam as a whole as terrorists, which then led to things like the Gulf War, Syrian Civil War, Iraq War, and the overall War on Terror (more like the war for oil), were Democrats right? Ronald Raegan who started the war on drugs, which led to the mass incarceration of young men for weed, as well as leading to the literal destruction of Latin America, was a Democrat right? How about we do something better, and abolish the two party system and vote based on what people actually stand for in their speeches, policies, and campaigns. instead of blindly voting blue/red across the board like most dumbass Americans do. Because clearly red and blue are both evil.

@randomango2789

2 жыл бұрын

It looks like your parents failed to mention that the laws of God are written in every man’s heart (Romans 2) and that he’s close to everyone so that people can search for him (Acts 17:22-27). I’m sorry that you were apart of this shallow form of Christianity but it shouldn’t have destroyed your faith. Please consider coming back, God wants nothing more than to see you return to his family. God bless. ✝️

@LoveProWrestling

2 жыл бұрын

@@randomango2789 read the room.

@deathbytheblade6757

2 жыл бұрын

I remember this Mormon video about their missionaries, calling Los Angeles 'the greatest mission field in the world' or something of the like. Would love to go as an observer on a mission trip to the Czech Republic sometime.

I’m not even halfway through the video and so astounded, I keep just saying “this is supposed to be school? This is supposed to be science?!” That is heartbreaking. It’s already worrying to me when kids are taught this on top of a real education, but *in place* of a real education is just extra upsetting. Thanks so much for sharing this, and sharing your experiences.

I’m sorry you had to endure this. I went to Catholic school from grades 1 thru 7 then my family moved and the only “religious “ school in town for 8th was a horrible fundie school. I had to go there for a year and it traumatized me. I remember the classes being like this. Not really about the subjects but turned around to let you know you were crap that was headed for hell. And the stuff about the end times was scarring. Thank God my mom realized how awful it was and put me in public school. I’m so sorry for you but I’m glad you’ve overcome it now. ❤️

@Afmedic85

2 жыл бұрын

Catholic schools are actually better than public schools. They're ahead of them academically. I got moved back to public school after 2 years in Catholic school and the math book was basically the same as the one I had for 2nd grade. Public schools standards keep getting lower all the time.

@jd190d

2 жыл бұрын

@@Afmedic85 Public schools have to teach everyone, the catholic schools refuse kids with learning disabilities so they don't have to spend the resources on them. I went to catholic school from 1st to 5th grade and while I did have a solid educational grounding it was largely due to my extensive reading interests early on and there are no resources in catholic schools for gifted students and I was enrolled into the gifted program after state testing in public school. This was in the late 60's before the religious schools started on their anti evolution garbage when they started teaching outright falsehoods like this girl was taught. Religious schools teach to the middle and if you ask for more than they are teaching you are given more schoolwork, just not anything more advanced than anyone else is getting.

@simplystreeptacular

2 жыл бұрын

@@jd190d It's gotten a lot better since then. I went to a Catholic high school (after six years in public school and two in a secular private school) and, as a gifted student, got an excellent education that let me thrive intellectually and as a person. I even managed to do reasonably well with ADHD, and the teachers were far more willing to make accommodations for me than my public school teachers were. Now, granted, this high school was a college-prep school and I certainly won't say that all Catholic schools are like this - and I can't speak for the lower grades - but I would absolutely put my kid in a Catholic high school before I sent them to public school. No question. I had my struggles but I still wouldn't choose to go anywhere else.

@xtinkerbellax3

2 жыл бұрын

@@Afmedic85 Y'all need to stop generalizing. Private schools can have the same problems as public ones. My math teacher, who taught at both always use to say, if you want an easy education, transfer to the local Catholic school. Totally depends on your state/region.

This all makes me grateful that my semi-narcissistic fundie light mom bordered on neglectful. Sure she'd send me to a hardcore Christian schools and camps, but she was too lazy of a parent to really beat me over the head with fundamentalism herself. Lots of guilt tripping for the choices I made, but no real preventing me from making them in the first place. She just assumed that the schools would indoctrinate me enough, without really checking.

@ZombifyMeCapn

2 жыл бұрын

I could have written this comment, word for word. So sad we had these experiences, but so glad to know that there are others who truly understand what I came from. Hope you have found happiness and peace as an adult.

This is the most underrated channel on KZread! Your journey is so fascinating. It's crazy that you found your way out of this deep rooted brainwashing. This gives me hope for America.

@ExFundieDiaries

3 жыл бұрын

Wow, how kind! Thank you so much!

@douglaswise6797

3 жыл бұрын

@@ExFundieDiaries I think your actual diary has a great and unique insight into conservative Christianity. So many times I wonder "am I remembering my childhood correctly?" This is a unique idea in the KZread community and a much needed one. Thanks for your content!

@KJ-lb4tj

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately many young people take a lot more time to be given the chance to interact with secular and other faith scholars and education. They go from Christian education homeschooling to Christian college or university to Christian job. Here in the UK, quality education involves being taught to think for yourself. An intellectual Christian would want to head to Cambridge or Oxford to be challenged to think in all ways and look at issues from every angle and perspective. Christian college or university doesn't exist... It's an oxymoron in terms of quality education.

@BlacksmithTWD

2 жыл бұрын

@@KJ-lb4tj "Christian college or university doesn't exist" in what sense? As I've experienced otherwise, but probably in a different sense. Remember the floating frog? that was an experiment performed at the catholic university of Nijmegen in the Netherlands. A christian university as catholisism is it's major denomination worldwide. If you don't remember, here is a video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/faB-1biqk5Pfp7A.html

I respect you so much, not only in educating yourself, but now in educating others. Please keep posting regularly!

Man, as a progressive Christian, this video gives me so many mixed feelings. I love scripture, love things like the color-coded highlighter, love seeing God in the world around me, etc. etc. I even love the "Jesus is the prince of my heart-castle" stuff or whatever. But DUUUUDE. It is NOT science!!! And we should NOT be platforming racism and ableism and sexism and self-hate and all that garbage! Ugh! Anyway, thank you so much for sharing your stories, Elly. I really think they will help pull others out of this toxic, abusive mentality. Whether it's toward progressive Christianity or atheism or some other religion, it's gotta be better than what they're doing now.

@bluecrusader9136

2 жыл бұрын

You are not a christian, heretic.

@L_i_g_h_t

2 жыл бұрын

@@bluecrusader9136 How about we let God be the judge of that, sweetie.

@bluecrusader9136

2 жыл бұрын

@@L_i_g_h_t We'll see...

@L_i_g_h_t

2 жыл бұрын

@@bluecrusader9136 Yes we will. I suggest you review the checklist in Matthew 25. A lot of American churches avoid that chapter like the plague. You'd be amazed how many right-wing Christians I talk to who are entirely unfamiliar with it.

@raapyna8544

2 жыл бұрын

@@L_i_g_h_t Thanks for sharing. My family's not religious (thankfully) so I didn't know about that part. But I see now that the EU and UN are based on christian values, and I've grown up with them. Western human rights beliefs are at the heart of christianity; help thy neighbour. Bare no hate. Share with others. Many American right-wing christians seem to believe, "to everyone what they deserve"*. They believe that some people don't deserve to be fed, clothed or housed. They don't believe in human rights, if not "earned". *this quote is famous, because it reads over the entrance of Auschwich.

Loved your video . Telling a child he she will burn in hell for ' sinning " is child abuse . 100%

I thought it was extremely interesting that you were graded on "presentation." For me, much of my evangelical upbringing boiled down to that... presentation and keeping up appearances. We were dressed up like dolls for church and Sunday School as if it mattered whose kids were the best dressed. I remember being threatened with physical violence if I did not correctly recite enough Awana verses to avoid "embarrassing" my mother (for some reason, having a book full of dated signatures corresponding to verse recitation was supposed to be a testament to her holiness). We went to 3 services on Sundays, one on Wednesdays, plus parochial school that had daily Bible classes (plus Friday chapel), all of which gave the illusion of piety. BTW, that color-coded analysis of scripture is called "exegesis." It is a critical analysis of scripture. I had to do that in my MS Bible classes.

And this is why things like public education (especially those served under a separation of state and church) is so so important, and why I cringe when people either ignore our public school system’s current problems (thus encouraging shit like this) or straight up act like it should be destroyed as a concept or even privatized.

@Oatmilllk

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! Thank you.

@elitedrumlessons6174

Жыл бұрын

For the most part public education IS a dumpster fire and they teach a different religion called Leftism, the root of which is intolerance for anybody that doesn’t agree with all their Leftwing religious principles. I went to Public school so this sort of homeschool Christian education is foreign to me, but note that whether you are Christian or not, you WILL live by a set of religious beliefs! For many it’s been the religion of the Left AKA, the hatred of anybody that disagrees

My parents raised me without religion. I'm so thankful for that because I can think for myself and I realized how ridiculous it all is when I was old enough to understand. And btw, they were born 100 years ago and I'm now 60. My classmates (4th grade) all went to Sunday school and I wanted to go because I thought I was missing out on something important. My parents let me so I could form my own opinion. I was completely blown away that they believed this nonsense. Noah's ark? Really?

I (a Canadian Brit) find it amazing that these people are allowed to refer to this as "education". I am used to there being a national curriculum that all schools have to follow, or else they lose their accreditation. My local school was managed by the Anglican Church, but paid for out of national school funding, and followed the national curriculum. The concept of an educational establishment being allowed to teach that evolution is wrong and the big bang impossible is just simply mind-blowing. I'm a christian myself, but I find no problem in learning how the world works, what makes it tick, and its history, using the scientific method. To reject reality in this way is insane - truly insane. Why does America allow this? It makes me ashamed to call myself christian, if this is what my Faith does to people. I'm so sorry.

Growing up Christian I’m so glad we never got anywhere near this. Though the Methodist church is known for nor being the most extreme, I may not believe any more but I’m proud to say I still speak to a few people from my church days because they actually live the values the worst of Christians claim to profess. When I come out as non-binary last year one them sent me a message saying they were proud of me for doing it and if I need to talk to her she’s there.

As a scientist this makes me so sad 😥 No actual 'science' just more religious education/indoctrination. Thankyou for sharing. It is a shame there are not more rigorous requirements for home schooling (ie to prove basic teaching/proficiencies to be allowed to continue).

@auroraasleep

2 жыл бұрын

Depending on the state, there are... but that is not necessarily true of private schools.

I’m a retired teacher and former psychiatric nurse. This horrifies me in so many ways

Thank-you Elly! I watch your videos with rapt attention because I learn so much from them. I even re-watch them so I can take in the enormity of what you experienced in the indoctrination process. I was raised in a liberal-to-moderate Mainline Protestant denomination, so my experience in Christianity was nothing like this. Mainline Protestantism and Evangelical Fundamentalism are so very different in their practices and culture that they seem like two different faiths. I had heard stories about fundamentalist cults, but this is the first time someone who deconverted has so clearly shown the evidence of what happened, so I could begin to comprehend the trauma it causes. Good work!

@ExFundieDiaries

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for taking the time to learn about upbringings and experiences like mine! I really appreciate it!

@kirstenspencer3630

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your post. I was brought up Lutheran, no resemblance to Christian Nationalism. I knew it was there but had no idea it was that bad.........

@daminalspal

2 жыл бұрын

uhm source?

I want to thank you for pointing out specific “science “ lessons that are completely ludicrous. I am a biologist and have lived in the Midwest all my life. I grew up with people that were brought up just like you were. I applaud your courage as I know this community takes no criticism without a clap back . These groups are playing the long con. They have been at it for years. These communities are everywhere you look, trust me, they are there. Just like the spies in the movies moving in the shadows.

Thank you for sharing. Wow, I had no idea that homeschooling could mean this. It reminds me of the schooling I've heard about for Amish and Hutterite kids. If this is an example of your schooling, I have doubts that you could pass a GED. I've seen videos of ex-Amish young adults getting humiliated by how little their 8th grade education prepared them to take the GED. If this is typical of your education, every subject just being a different flavor of biblical indoctrination, then this education is likely not teaching classical secular education. I feel so sad thinking about what "history" class must have looked like.

@raapyna8544

2 жыл бұрын

What came to mind, at least the Amish know they are only studying the Bible. Evangelical kids must believe that they are learning the same subjects as everyone else.

@tesmith47

2 жыл бұрын

Don't forget, home schooling was invented as a reaction to the Supreme courts ruling against segregated schools i.e. Brown vs Board of ed 1954

@midnight8341

2 жыл бұрын

@@raapyna8544 I wouldn't trust on that, though.

Where is the Science? WOW.. that's bad.

I found your site by accident and am so glad I did. My DIL grew up and was groomed in this insular mindset and has be rewarded greatly for doing so, for continuing in it and indoctrinating my grandchildren and now even my son into this mindset. When Trump came om the scene, the differences in our idealogies became very apparent. I became her enemy because I tried to speak truth and logic to her beliefs. Even though it was true, I made the big mistake of calling out her and her fsmily for supporting Trump for his principles and values were diametrically opposed to any Christian teachings and, therefore, to folliw him was to go against her Christian faith. She accused me of callung her a "brown shirt" following Hitler. (Well, if the shoe fits) and it all went to hell after that. Even though we now speak to each other again, it is fragile. She lanquishes in her Christian victimhood and prays for me. I pray my grandchildren are as smart as you and will wake up as you have. You're brave and a warrior.

@annaskalka2320

2 жыл бұрын

😢😭

heyyyy thank you for saying "chattel slavery" in particular. people don't understand that US slavery is not just another incident of slavery in world history but was unprecedented.

I had no idea it was THIS BAD! Not even a speck of any science!!! Congrats for escaping and making this video to help others!

@LoveProWrestling

2 жыл бұрын

Well....there was that 'identify the types of cloud' pencil drawing they repurposed.

My parents "got saved" when I was nine or ten, and my life was never the same. I ended up going to a bible college, at that time believing what I had been told. But ironically, it was two courses I had to take in my last year that began to turn the tide for me. It took me several years after graduation to really break free. I think if I hadn't gone to bible college, I might still be a nominal christian. But I now know that I do not believe one whit of it. Thank you for being out there and sharing your stories. People need to hear this.

@TempestPhaedra

2 жыл бұрын

Your first sentence really drives home the fact that it's absurd and even abusive that the flippant decisions and beliefs of parents can end up skewing a child's entire life off course, sometimes forever. Mom and Dad decide they're saved so now little Marta has to give up her education to support their beliefs. What were the two courses that made you start questioning things?

@martawatermanfitnesscoach

2 жыл бұрын

@@TempestPhaedraThe courses that began to open my eyes were Christian Apologetics and Demoninational Distinctions. Apologetics is supposed to be the rational explanation for why something is true. There was one other kid in the class who, like me, questioned the professor on some things that weren't rational. We were told that there are just some things we have to take on faith!!!! This is logic?? Haha. And of course, the prof was not happy that we were speaking up either. Denominational Distinctions studied how Protestantism split from the Catholic Church with Martin Luther, and then followed with how is has split over and over into all these different "christian" beliefs, into literally thousands of flavors of christianity, all of whom think all the others are wrong. But of course, OUR beliefs were really right, we had it all figured out. At one point that year, I met with the Dean of Women and asked her to explain how a loving god could send people to hell who had never even heard the name of Jesus Christ. I was told that we cannot discern the wisdom of god. Ouch!!

@crunchybroll4731

Жыл бұрын

​@@martawatermanfitnesscoach there are different sects/flavors of Christianity because the leaders of these churches just make stuff up and people believe them because they quoted the Bible out of context. Also, why do you not think people don't deserve to go to hell? Do you think someone who r4pes kids, abuses their parents, kills people, liars, selfish p0rn watchers and prostitutes and sodomites etc are good people? You go to hell because you do evil actions not based on whether or not you believe in Jesus. If you accept that Jesus was a real person and he died for your sins then you can go to heaven. God loves us so he gave us a way out of forever condemnation in the lake of fire.

Hi, Elly! I am a Mexican woman who, at some point, made the decision to "receive Christ in her heart". That was in 1996, at the age of 31. I would be happy to tell you my story if you are interested, we can write letters to each other. I have traveled a different road than you to reach the same conclusions as you. However, the purpose of my comment is to tell you that I love your videos and that they have given me a lot of light to understand the depth of the social and mental problems in the United States. It makes more and more sense to me. I don't want you to misunderstand me, I have friends from the US whom I love, but they do not belong to that ideology at all and I also think it is a beautiful country. I myself lived there for 4 years. Thank you for your courage and honesty.

@ExFundieDiaries

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, and I would love to hear your story! :) You can email me at: exfundiediaries@gmail.com

@renny3816

3 жыл бұрын

Are you still in the church?

@65lalur

3 жыл бұрын

@@renny3816 No, I don't.

@tesmith47

2 жыл бұрын

Colonized people always convert to colonizers religion. POWER is the key!

OMG so glad I found your channel!! I grew up on the East Coast of Canada, however the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist sect I grew up in was heavily influenced by the US. I would argue that I was a victim of American Right-Wing ideological colonialism. Most of the pastors in my sect were American and/or studied in America at schools like BJU, Marantha, Northland and Pensacola. Even as a Canadian, I was taught that as Canada was more "socialist", or society was turning away from God and that America was the true stronghold of Christianity and the Christian way of life. THANKFULLY I "saw the light" and am now an agnostic. I will definitely be recommending your channel to others I grew up with!

@josiemclain9801

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, if you don't mind me asking, how many of the people you grew up with are still apart of that sect, or are still Christian at least? I grew up in a pretty atheist family, so this is definitely an alternate world to me. No worries if you don't want to answer!

Yikes. I was also homeschooled by a Christian mom, but at least she was a teacher by profession and more interested in educating me than brainwashing me! Even my Christian academy focused more on education than indoctrination! The only songs we sang in class were the nerdy chemistry-themed Christmas songs my nerdy chemistry teacher gave us.

This bought tears to my eyes and gave me chills. I'm so happy I am deconstructing and am not bringing my children up with religious doctrine that teach them to hate themselves. #triggered

It feels so validating to see someone else who grew up in a similar culture talk about it. Looking at the binder. There were so many things there where I know we were presented similar teaching, even if it was done with slightly different words. It didn't end with high school either. I went to a Christian college, and even into 2020 (when I finally left) there were teachers still starting each class with prayer. My physics professor spent the first week talking about the Bible. Apparently nobody told him that the required theology classes already covered that.

Just found your channel! Soooo relatable. "This is my science binder...where the f*ck is the science." Hahahaha! My Abeka "biology" book was horrendous. It at least had some actual science facts in it except for the unit on evolution which was pure bullsh*t, or anything having to do with how things are dated.

@Nicknstrips

2 жыл бұрын

Oh my god. This!!! I'm currently in high school and my family is making me use abeka and I can't believe half the insanity that I see in those books💀💀

@mysticloverfairy1

2 жыл бұрын

Ugh I hated A beka we used that curriculum in my homeschool years, worst curriculum ever

I’m genuinely curious as to what state this took place in. I also went to a homeschool co-op full of Christians from first through twelfth grades, and in middle school I simultaneously went to a private Christian school out of someone’s home. I have a feeling if I hadn’t been in the great state of Washington, my classes would have looked identical to yours. Fortunately, we had some fairly strict requirements for what students had to learn even in homeschool settings.

@xtinkerbellax3

2 жыл бұрын

Yea it's really dependent more on state/region than public vs private.

@EmiSuess

2 жыл бұрын

I went to private Christian school in Florida and even then it wasn't this bad. Don't get me wrong: it was bad. Just... Not quite at Elly's schools level of bad

Thank you so much for doing this. As a European who was raised in a very religious & conservative environment but where education was always valued as one of the most important things in life, I never understood Americans lack of scientific understanding. This gives me a much better understanding of the issue. I am honestly quite mind-blown and I can't believe it's legal to call this "education".

How did you keep binder rings from getting bent from all the way back in 2004? I couldn't keep a binder together for more than a month when I was a kid.

I went to an evengelical Lutheran school from K-8th grade and it was so detrimental to my mental and emotional health, I still struggle with the trauma inflicted by that school. I also remember going through textbooks and having teachers have us cross out dates in the science texts to change them to the "real" bible timelines.

Wow this caused a major flashback! I also wrote the same unashamed poem on the inside of some of my books too, I have not heard it for almost 10 years but could recite it as you were reading it out. I didn't realise how radicalising it was until this moment. Persecution complex and indoctrination at its best, thats a lot for a 12 year old.

@TheN00bmonster

2 жыл бұрын

"my way is rough, my companions are few,... My mission is clear" to an outsider, I assure you, this sounds really messed up. It builds up the idea that these kids are going to war and that everyone who isn't in their tiny ingroup is the enemy. And they don't realize other people don't see them that way.

I'm so sorry that you went through that. That was really intense. I think God can be expressed in nature, but I also learned about actual weather patterns. That all seems really anti-science, no wonder people aren't properly equipped with the basics of scientific discernment. Thank you for sharing this 💕

I started homeschooling my kids around the time you were creating that binder and it was a jarring experience to say the least. I once bought a "nature study" guide about dinosaurs that started with Noah getting the ark ready and I guess there was no room for the dinosaurs? I don't know, I was so mad I set that guide aside. Having grown up in a secular family, I was frustrated by the way so much of what was available to homeschoolers at the time had Christianity running through it. Especially science. Nearly 20 years later I still struggle to find good resources for science (in fact my 14 year old is going to *gasp* public school next year because he loves science and I want him to have the hands on science I cannot provide at home). Thank you for making these videos and speaking about your experiences. As a secular homeschooler I often get frustrated that homeschoolers are often portrayed as evangelical fundamentalists, but I think it's important to recognize how big and powerful they are becoming as a group. They are a driving force behind the "parental rights" groups that are now popping up at school board meetings. Alarm bells should be ringing.

I joined the Pentecostal church when I was 17, and was involved until age 21 or 22. (I honestly don't remember due to trauma). I had friends who taught their kids this way. I was a Sunday school teacher and taught 3-5 yr olds many of these things. My own children were too young for school or they would have possibly been homeschooled by my tyrannical husband who is disabled so he didn't work. I am so glad I got out! I am glad you got out too! It takes a lot of strength and courage to leave everything you know. I wasn't raised in it, so it was easier for me, but I can't fathom how much strength it would take to leave when indoctrinated from birth.

Thank you for sharing your story. Through the last several years with all the political discord; I kept wondering how so many “Christians” were supporting such racist, vile, and criminal behavior from the G.O.P,. That’s when I started learning about Christian Nationalism.Unfortunately this goes WAY back-AND is still very common, especially in the south. I few months ago my 16yr old niece said she was not going to get vaccinated because “it is the mark of the beast”. Seems to be the thing they come up with every time there is something new they want the “followers” to fear. I will have to check out the books you recommend. And maybe I can share them with some of my family- Thank you again, for share your story & trying to shed some love on this issue.

@janamandes4492

2 жыл бұрын

Intending to say: “shed some light”. But I guess “love” works too. 💖✨

@shaleamontanez4591

2 жыл бұрын

For these Christian groups to exist they see themselves as the victims, they are against everyone else, and everyone else is their enemy.

@tiamystic

2 жыл бұрын

I remember my dad saying the EXACT same thing as your niece over the covid vaccine. He’s dead now. I didn’t even graduate highschool yet.

Fascinating, thank you for sharing. I'm really surprised how little science there is. I don't mean like, real science even. I mean even the attempt at science from an evangelical world view. I imagined an evangelical homeschool science class doing things like explaining how the Flood made canyons and mountains, and the time frame of how the earth was created in six days, and learning why evolution is wrong. Or even just pointing out really cool and beautiful things about the real world, which there are plenty of, and giving God credit.

The older I get, the more I empathize with my parents who were outraged and horrified by the things I was being taught at the local megachurch. I went on Sundays with my best friend and wanted to fit in so badly, but there was always a skeptical part of me that just could not believe. Now I understand why they ended up forbidding me from going. I'm still traumatized by the misogyny and guilt that was fed to me for just 1-2 years.

yikes. This hit too close to home. I graduated in 2020 and my homeschool education looked scarily similar to this. Thanks for sharing resources for other ex-fundies to catch up on their education!

Wow! I am shocked....I had no idea this stuff still goes on. You are still young. I'm so happy you are able to step back and see what happened.You are very strong and stable and secure!! Mahalo for sharing your experiences. It helps me to understand better......a world I had no idea even existed, but have been living with forever.

You know as a kindy teacher many of this things hurt my heart, because we WANT kids to trust THEMSELVES and that their intuition and belief in themselves is valid. If their parents believe in a God that's fine, but their value doesn't come from anything external, then themselves are enough and worthy. Everything thaught in your lessons it's just so damn contrary to what we now know is best.

Is ableism related to Cain and Able? A response would be appreciated.

5:00 “smooth knees”? After Googling it all I can find are posture and skin care stuff. What does it mean?

@emilybarclay8831

Жыл бұрын

It means they haven’t gotten down on their knees to ‘praise’ god 😏

I just discovered your channel. Thank your so much for sharing all of this. I'm amazed at how much casually accepted indoctrination I also experienced growing up, though no where near your experiences. I wish you all the best in your healing path.

You read a passage that mentioned, "I am an Oath Keeper". Is this passage where the Oath Keepers that broke in to the Capital on 1/6 got their name??

In the soccer stadium picture ("some day my prince will come"), I was expecting a short dude with coiffed hair, a fur coat, and a purple guitar to jump out into the field and start rockin' the place.

Ngl I feel like my memorization skills were messed up by AWANAs. Would love to know what your experience was with that org!

I'm so glad I found your channel (or KZread showed me your channel?). Your videos are so informative and researched and thoughtful. It really helps to understand the far right so much better. If you haven't watched "Exterminate all the Brutes" by Raoul Peck on HBO Max, I highly recommend it. It's a series about colonialism and captures the multi-level messages of indoctrination we all receive. It's part documentary, part scripted, part personal essay--it's a mind-blowing incredible work and really illustrates how coordinated and integrated the messages of colonialism/white supremacy are for all of us.

You are extremely well articulated, and i have immense respect for where you’re at now in life I have been binging your channel for the past couple of days, and even tho i didn’t grow up in a religious household, i do relate to a lot of the abuse u endured, and i’m so sorry u had to experience this Your content made it all the way to Denmark, and you definetely have a new sub, as well as a new regular viewer Take care ❤️

I was lucky to be raised in a secular home, I became interested in/fascinated with religion(s) as a preteen and teenager, I was just so baffled to learn that people truly believe these things to me seemed so ridiculous. Admittedly I was a rude “edgy” internet atheist for a while, and I found it fun to argue with people in comment sections and forums … and I still find discussions or friendly “arguments” to be fun, I think I was a little bit of an asshole during that time. But anyway, I still find myself so fascinated by different religions, particularly fundamentalism. After all these years I still have a hard time wrapping my head around what this life is like, and I very much value being able to hear people like you share your experiences.❤️

Can we talk about the bad alliteration and acronyms of fundie life? My one rebellion was to refuse to write things in alliteration and changing verses to other synonyms.

@rhaeven

2 жыл бұрын

both are good for brainwashing, which is why self help and office efficiency gurus love them so much

5:42 “my goal is heaven” that’s kind of disturbing.. it just means we live to die, and totally disregards the journey and happiness of living

@raymondfarinas3169

2 жыл бұрын

YES, the poem is a christian renunciation of the world, affirming that nothing between here and the goal really matters. The small goals must fall away in favor of God's plan for you. This contract guarantees heaven in exchange for a horrible life.

@edwardmiessner6502

2 жыл бұрын

This is how we got stuck in the Dark Ages. Read Augustine's "City of God" sometime. Anti-intellectualism isn't just restricted to evangelical Christianity

Im proud of the work youre doing

@ExFundieDiaries

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

Can someone explain the fingers part to me please? I have no idea what it was about, to me it was just a string of very random words sprinkled with Christian themes! Thanks in advance

I am without words. As someone who went through life in Europe without being religious for almost sixty years now, I cannot fathom what drives people to try and mold and numb down a curious youthful brain in this manner. You did a great job of finding your way to intellectual freedom and attaining a helicopter view of what your youth was like and presenting the dangers there are in schooling the young in this horrific manner.

This is terrifying. Christianity is going into a bunker

I grew up in a Catholic College Preparatory school. I am so glad I got to learn about my faith AND Biology, chemistry, mathematics, and logic. I'm sorry your parents and community failed you.

@bennyv4444

2 жыл бұрын

I know, it’s crazy to see what the denominations are up to. I moved around a lot as a kid throughout the Midwest, and my parents never had the money to send all of us to private school, just my youngest sister. She always went to Catholic schools (though we were raised to be atheists) and her education was 10X better than what I was getting at public school. Then you compare that to this monstrosity of an education.

@kimmyle0

2 жыл бұрын

God bless you girl ❤ keep the faith and spread love ❤. Hoping one day she find the One True God, I would love to recommend Bishop Barren or Breaking into the Habit channel 💝

I think it's great that you have this binder. When i try to explain to people the kind of stuff we were taught, they really don't grasp just how thorough and insidious the childhood indoctrination is. It damages so many parts of life, it makes me so mad even a decade later. Thank you for making these videos, it's a helpful community when the same fundamentalist push is all around out here.

I was part of an evangelical student organization in Germany. One year, there was a "European evangelical conference" and the advertising video said, Germany has to be missionized because we only have 8,3% evangelicals. In Germany around 55% of the population identifies as Christians. Around 25% of them are protestants which is "evangelisch" here. That's when I realized that they messure Christianity and evangelism differently than we do. Only certain groups of Christians were even considered that way, all the others had to be converted/ missionized.

I have only just found your page and holy shit does this remind me of my childhood. Now, mine wasn't quite as bad because I only went to religious schools 3-5 but everything else. Damn! I saw you say something in another video where you didn't think you were fundamentalist because you had some more freedoms. I usually say something similar, "I had as close to a fundamentalist childhood as I could without being a fundamentalist." Honestly, though, I am thinking we were full on but a light version. I have so much ptsd from my childhood and though I have always known, your videos are making me realize why. I think I have suppressed a lot but you have a perfect, friends having a glass of wine, type of way of explaining the details...FUCk I am remembering shit. When I was 12 my parents divorced and I moved in with my mom a year later. My dad is the fundamentalist, not my mom. She was living her best life, gave me a monthly bus card and left me to do my thing. It was such a culture shock. I really didn't know what gay was. I knew I was a girl that liked girls and that was a sin. I knew no words to put to certain things. I went insane. OMG did I have fun lol. Had a kid at 20. Came out at 20. Still took me to 25 to leave the church because I was so indoctrinated. I mean, sitting next to people 2 at week knowing they hated me but needing them so much. Like I didn't know how to live without my abuser. Ugh. Its really hard to get to the point when you realize, you are not going to hell, they were lying to you. Anyway, now I am 40 and am 15 years free of my abuser. Keep making these!

Glad the algorithm decided I should see this! I am so sad children are being treated like this. It's really helpful, though, in understanding how extremists get to be so extreme. Thank you for sharing and for the book recommendation!

I went to a Christian school k-7th grade and I had the same feeling of “that’s what you call it” when I simply read this title, I really appreciate what you’re doing!

Wow, this is SHOCKING. I grew up homeschooled and fundamentalist as well, but apparently it can get so much worse. I'm so sorry you went through this and were denied the opportunity to actually learn science - but SO glad you've been able to escape this indoctrination. I have a lot of resentment over some of my textbooks like the Apologia "Exploring Creation" science books or Abeka - that "world history textbook" bothered me even at the time with the Christian nationalism and racism, even though I couldn't put my finger on the problem when I was younger. Even though my science textbook contained misinformation about global warming and had a whole module trying to debunk evolution, it actually some real science even amid the misinformation (the fundie approach of "well MICROEVOLUTION can be real like Darwin's finches but not MACROEVOLUTION." But while the textbook presented a very incomplete picture about Lucy when trying to "debunk macroevolution" or CFCs when trying to say why the hole in the ozone layer was no big deal, it actually MENTIONED both of those things, so I could go learn more about them and I was aware of what they were. And to give it proper credit, outside of those two topics I did actually learn a lot about science across several years. So that's why it still gets to be called a science textbook and not put into quotes like my "world history textbook". I'm curious, was all of this science class something your teacher came up with herself, or is there an actual curriculum spreading this? The idea even a single homeschool co-op teaches this is scary enough!

How do those homeschooling curricula meet standards?? Are the standards in the US so low?? 😳 I come from a country where homeschooling is almost non existent and I'm so shocked

@ThePunkHobbit

2 жыл бұрын

The standards for homeschooling in the US is extremely varied. Some states have standards and some…don’t. It truly depends on how religious the state is. There is also a whole lobbying firm that is dedicated to letting homeschool parents teach whatever the heck they want. It’s truly tragic and a lot of kids get a terrible education. There are also some fundamentalists who simply do not register their kids with the government (especially daughters) by having a home birth and then not notifying the government. This is definitely not common but it does happen. I was never a fundamentalist but I like researching it and I grew up around a lot of evangelicals.

@ThePunkHobbit

2 жыл бұрын

*are extremely varied

@skyethebard

2 жыл бұрын

I raised my first child in PA and homeschooling there has rules and regulations. I live in GA now and my youngest two have homeschooled on and off (conduct disorder and pandemic). There are very few requirements here and there is almost no regulation. Even though I follow the rules, and exceed them, I've never had anyone request proof. It's no mystery why so many homeschooled kids are under/miseducated.

@ourtubesocks

2 жыл бұрын

I was “unschooled” from 1994-1997 and homeschooled from 1998-2002 in California. My parents were not religious, so I learned regular science. But it did seem like there was a lot of flexibility. When I was “unschooled” I had no curriculum, but my parents read a lot to me and took me to museums, plays, zoos, and taught me a lot in a very unstructured way.When I was homeschooled, I had textbooks and a set curriculum I was suppose to follow. Then once a month I would turn in a sample of my work to a teacher at the homeschool center. Well instead of doing all the work, I would *only* do the sample. I skipped 8th grade and went to public highschool, I was SO nervous about being behind my peers because I knew I kind of faked it for years. I got all good grades and never struggled academically and went on to a four year college. I think what really helped me was that both my parents were college educated, and I was read to pretty much every single day. They homeschooled me because they didn’t think young children should be sitting at a desk for 7 hours every day, not because they were trying to avoid public school curriculum. However I feel if you did want to reach your children only a religious curriculum it would have been fairly easy. Not sure what it’s like now in California compared to 20 years ago.

@mumto2monsters737

2 жыл бұрын

Very varied. I homeschool my girls and I get them evaluated every year. The options are evaluation or testing. I'm not required to show any curriculum, but a list of subjects. We do evaluation because I have ND children. But I prefer secular curriculums, even using old public school textbooks (I just update where necessary using other sources) to avoid the nonsense. Tried a Christian science curriculum the first year and.....never again in life. I wanted to homeschool my girls because my history education, even from public school, was terrible. I also avoid Christian history curriculums because they're rather "white light-y". That's not the goal. My kids are going to learn the good, bad and bizarre.

It's kind of funny to me that they refer to the weather other than sunny as negative, sinful clouds to avoid even though god supposedly made them, lol.

@grimlund

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. And without the clouds there is no rain. Without rain there is no water. And water is the most important thing for life on this planet.

ohhh LORD. i was homeschooled too and took science classes in my co-op and only realized years after the fact how incredibly messed-up the stuff they had us reading was 😬 your channel is really cathartic in a lot of ways, i wish you the best and hope you're healing 💕

I’m so happy to see someone else speaking up about what you, I and so many others have gone through in silence, completely ignored by the system and our communities.

I am in complete awe of your strength. How a person is able to overcome such thorough and deep indoctrination is mind-blowing. Also, "where the fuck is the science" made me laugh out loud 🤣

What an incredible waste of time! I thought I was bored in school but if this was what was being trotted out, I would have stopped going. Thank you for taking the time to demonstrate the depths people who right this stuff have descended to, the lengths they'll go propogate their mindset. If I believed in Satan, this is clearly Satan's work.

"Where the fuck is the science" just made me laugh hysterically & made me feel comfortable. Our minds on definitely on the same track😂

“We’re a few pages in and we’re not even trying anymore.” Thank you for having a sense of humour about a very difficult subject.

Super late to this video, but I was raised in a similar environment and taught a lot of the same things. But I'm currently getting my master's in a data and research related degree and I am unraveling my harm and trauma, and I hope to continue doing my research and helping others understand the harm of white nationalism. Much love you you! Thank you for opening up to us about this.

Wow, there is *zero* science in this science class. No definitions! No specific scientific terms! Not even christian tie ins throughout a lesson that's a couple grade levels below your grade level or real science mixed with christian fake science to make the physical world fit into their worldview like I was expecting! From what a random person who didn't take this class and only saw a few pages of notes saw, that is. It's like sunday school worksheets with a very vague Earth theme! I'm scared to think of what math was like. Thanks for that White Homework podcast, it sounds like a really cool listen! I'm so sorry you and so many other kids had/have to take classes like these. Also, I don't think I've ever seen footage from the insurrection and I genuinely don't know if they're raising their hands to Jesus or Hitler there.

At 15:15 that method scripture study is called the inductive method! I believe one of the originators - or rather, mainstream practitioners - of the concept was Kay Arthur. She founded an entire company on the idea and it was super popular a few years ago - she even had conferences! I went to one with friends years ago. After coming back home, I tried so hard to make that my consistent method of Bible study, but it was not for me lol.

Are Homeschooled children required to take tests as I did in public schools to be assured they are actually being taught science, History and the other requirements for an education in the U S. ?

Sending you so much love 💗 thank you, as always, for sharing with us

@ExFundieDiaries

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!!

Thanks for the enlightening view of your early “Science” education. I think that I finally understand what Hovind taught in his “Science” classes. I think it is nothing short of abuse.

Thank you, thank you, thank you Elly, for sharing your story online. It can only help the thousands of others who grew up being brainwashed in the 'christian' way... I and my siblings were also raised from birth in an evangelical home, homeschooling on the 'mission field' by born again parents, my father also being a pastor. It's taken me 50+ years to tear the chains of christian slavery and fear from around me, with the help of books and videos from other freethinkers like yourself. Please continue the vital work you do to enlighten others who would be enslaved in this insidious belief system that threatens our civilization. David Watson

I just stumbled upon this channel. Like you I grew up in very heavily indoctrinated Christian version of history. I remember (and still have a photo) of my Abeka textbook stating things like "The only accurate history we have comes from the Bible" -or- "Only cultures who believed in Christianity were prosperous" -or- "Native Americans were only suffering because they didn't have the Word of God" I never paid attention to it until I studied history in university. Now I am a history teacher and trying to teach the more accurate version of history, but I get a lot of kick back from the Christian community. A lot of them are claiming that I have been indoctrinated by my liberal/secular university. My students once called me a "liberal vegan hippy" because I was trying to counter their beliefs (not force my beliefs, just counter debating their ideals)

I feel bad for any of the students in that class with no artistic ability 😂

Thank you for this need to be more of it to expose the mind numbing brainwashing that children are subjected to in these cults. You have are now just lovely, glad to see you recovered and wish you well. PS: Love the Owls in the background. That 8th grade creed has a clear undertone of subservience to the power structure of the Pastors and to be cheap labor without complaint !!!

The algorithm is starting to bless you I think. Stumbled upon this in the recommendations on another video and I’m so glad it was there!