Sheet Music: musescore.com/user/42991967/scores/11616982 Free PDF: drive.google.com/file/d/1Ecw2Hr28mcj4fJDmwYmO4gYV38auLvdk/view?usp=sharing Euwbah Microtonal EDO Plugin (deprecated): github.com/euwbah/musescore-microtonal-edo-plugin

Absolutely phenomenal rendition. I feel that 31-EDO fits this piece, and I really like how you've integrated septimal harmonies all over the place. And that B "half-diminished" (d5) chord at bar 18... truly is something from another world. :)

That's an interesting way of notating 31 EDO

@YoVariable

10 ай бұрын

I decided to notate 31-EDO using sharps, flats, semisharps, semiflats, sesquisharps, sesquiflats, and even double sharps and double flats if I had to go that far 😅

@eboone

9 ай бұрын

How else would you notate it

@YoVariable

9 ай бұрын

@@eboone you can notate 31-EDO using ups and downs as well

@stephenweigel

3 ай бұрын

@@YoVariablethank you for making the right choice and using semi/sesqui sharps/flats :)

@YoVariable

3 ай бұрын

@@stephenweigelof course :)

Bar 32 (0:52) is so heavenly to me with that raised minor third

@YoVariable

8 ай бұрын

it is! when you go back and listen to a 12edo performance after listening to this, the Cb in that performance sounds way too flat compared to this one

Guhhhhhh you make it sound so natural 😳😳😳😳😳

That sounded great! Nice job :)

@YoVariable

6 ай бұрын

Thank you! I love your 22edo and 26edo work :)

@thexenzone

6 ай бұрын

@@YoVariable thanks!

beautiful work. if Chopin had known microtonalism, he would have written 10-1 like this.

By the way, 31-TET is a meantone temperament, so there will not be any syntonic comma pumps.

@YoVariable

10 ай бұрын

That is true. I know that 5-limit JI and 53-TET can have syntonic comma pumps.

@bozzigmupp510

10 ай бұрын

what is comma pump and syntonic

@YoVariable

10 ай бұрын

@@bozzigmupp510 Simply, a comma pump happens when you tune every single note pure relative to Just Intonation (JI) and the pitch starts to drift either up or down. A syntonic comma pump is one of the many different types of comma pumps. This comma has a ratio of 81/80, about 21.51 cents and is smaller than an equally-tempered semitone or half-step you can find on a piano (about 21% or a fifth of it).

@YoVariable

10 ай бұрын

@@bozzigmupp510The perfect fifth in 31-EDO is actually flattened by approximately a 1/4 of a syntonic comma, having very similar properties to quarter-comma meantone.

@ValkyRiver

10 ай бұрын

@@YoVariable “Comma pump” can also refer to when a sequence of chords that ends on the same chord as it starts in one tuning does not in another. Comma pumps can even happen in 12-TET: | E#m D# G#m F# | Bm A Dm C Fm | Eb Abm Gb Cbm Cb | Fbm This sequence returns to the original key in any schismatic temperament (comma: 15625:15552), whereas in 12-TET, this will go flat by 1\12. Here is a sequence of chords from Ravel Gaspard de la Nuit (Ondine). Outside of 12-TET, this will comma-pump like crazy: | Bm D13 Gm Bb13 Ebm Gb13 Gb-b9 | Cbm Ebb13 Abbm Cbb13 Fbbm Abbb13 Abbb-b9 | Dbbbm (D triple flat minor)

I like how it sounds the same to me

@YoVariable

3 ай бұрын

honestly you just have to really listen to it there is a noticeable difference

It’s sound better than my piano

@YoVariable

10 ай бұрын

💀

Puts me right to sleep 😅

@YoVariable

10 ай бұрын

Peaceful 😌

How are you doing microtonal stuff in musescore 4 especially with custom accidentals and playback. Do you have to tune each note by hand? Or can you merely set the tuning, enter the notes on the score, and it plays as you want. I would like to tune this in Pythagorean tuning, but thought musescore 4 did not do anything microtonal.

@YoVariable

3 ай бұрын

You can use microtonal plugins to do most of the retuning, which I have done. In the pinned comment, I have posted a new link to the plugin (although you can try euwbah's new Xen Tuner and see if that will work). I switched over to Dorico recently as it has better microtonal support.

@RememberGodHolyBible

3 ай бұрын

Yes i am planning to switch to dorico very soon. Is the standard score for this available for free online? I see your 31 edo score, but i would need to see the original chords spellings to properly do it.@@YoVariable

Musescore?! Microtonal?!

@YoVariable

9 ай бұрын

Yes and yes :)

0:09

0:06

This rendition worked well(*). But by following the score, i can see that you actually had to put a lot of work into it -- the score has lots of semiflats and sesquiflats that sound right, but that Chopin wouldn't have had the opportunity to write even if he had wanted to (stuck with pianos having only 12 notes per octave, but presumably tuned in a well temperament that made the sound come out right, rather than in 12EDO). (*)Just 1 rough spot in the tuning somewhere near the middle -- maybe a typo on one of the accidentals that you had to alter? I saw an admittedly old tutorial video about how to add microtonal accidentals in MuseScore, and it looked very laborious and error-prone -- maybe things have gotten better since then?

@YoVariable

7 ай бұрын

Is it the Cb in the middle of the score that you’re talking about? I realized while working on it that I had to drift the notes sharp to get from C7 (dominant 7th, not harmonic 7th) to A Major. The plugin that I used in MuseScore really helped me. Once I was done notating a section, I ran the plugin and it retuned all of the notes in that section based on the tuning system I specified. I hope to start composing in smaller EDOs like 19 and 22 in the future.

@YoVariable

7 ай бұрын

Also, thank you for your wonderful comment.

@Lucius_Chiaraviglio

7 ай бұрын

@@YoVariable To be sure that was the spot, I would have to listen again with stop-rewind-start, but until I get a chance to do that, it sounds plausible that this is the spot. I would also like to know more about composing with that plugin, but that too is going to have to wait (but maybe somebody has done a more up-to-date tutorial than the one I saw?).

Hi, how to you get musescore to write in 31-edo?

@YoVariable

6 ай бұрын

you can use plugins (like i did) or retune each note individually by cent offset by going to properties and then playback. if you're on musescore 3, it's in the inspector window.

@romeolz

4 ай бұрын

​@@YoVariablewhich plugin did you use? I heard microtonal playback wasn't supported in musescore 4...?

@YoVariable

4 ай бұрын

@@romeolzi used the deprecated microtonal musescore plugin by euwbah and modified the code to make it work with musescore 4. i don't use musescore 4 anymore as i switched to dorico, which has substantially better microtonal support

you people scare me

@apianbelle1343

10 ай бұрын

lol

@YoVariable

10 ай бұрын

Wdym by that? 🤨

I use arch btw

@YoVariable

10 ай бұрын

i used to use arch btw 🥲

Now play it on a Lumatone...

@YoVariable

9 күн бұрын

i don't have the space to set it up yet but i did order one :)

plugin link?

@YoVariable

7 ай бұрын

This was the deprecated one I used: github.com/euwbah/musescore-microtonal-edo-plugin This is the currently supported version of the plugin: github.com/euwbah/musescore-xen-tuner

@uhh4312

7 ай бұрын

thanks

@YoVariable

7 ай бұрын

@@uhh4312 no problem

это 432 hz? Why?

@YoVariable

10 ай бұрын

It’s not using A4 = 432Hz as a reference point. I chose A4 = 440Hz to keep things simple as I’m dealing with a microtonal tuning system. However, the smallest step in 31-EDO, the diesis, can get you very close to a frequency of 432Hz. The note A semiflat (one diesis down from A) tuned to A4 = 440Hz comes at a frequency of 430.271Hz, about 2Hz flatter than 432Hz.

@AdamMaykov

10 ай бұрын

@@YoVariable Of course, when you said about microchromatics, in some chords, the notes sound fake, I'm just not used to that sound.

@YoVariable

10 ай бұрын

@@AdamMaykov it’s just that we are so accustomed to 12-tone equal temperament (12-EDO) that anything outside of it sounds “off” or “not right” to us.

If this sounds better than the original it's probably because 31-TET produces intervals that are mathematically closer to just intonation than 12-TET.

@YoVariable

8 ай бұрын

you're right; the only interval that is a little bit more off from just compared to 12-TET is the perfect fifth (and fourth)

@alephnull6457

8 ай бұрын

@YoVariable That's why 31-TET is my favorite temperament. The consonant intervals are more consonant and there's also a wider range of dissonance to play with.