Really like the idea of pairing up batteries with stations in more rural areas to help the grid. As you mentioned, as long as they aren't super high frequency locations like off highways it's a good way to transition to electric without the high cost and timeline of upgrading the grid. Hope they roll more out like this

@robert5008

Жыл бұрын

These units would be great along state highways not interstates as you stated.

Must be cool as a parent to see your kid in their element, performing, well-educated, and clearly happy.

@JakeShirley

Жыл бұрын

"Son I love you, but give me my damn car back!"

@yhfsywfit

Жыл бұрын

I was going to say the same thing. How proud would you be to be Kyle's dad?

Any government subsidies should be contingent on a standard measurement of uptime. I think you’ve seen EA sites showing as up when they really were not. Could that be them cheating on their stats? We may need government sponsored testers that do random testing at chargers to make sure that the stats are accurate. Similar to how states test fuel pumps. Penalties could include fines that would claw back the subsidies that were awarded.

@payakadventures

Жыл бұрын

Government getting involved in promoting and subsidizing this junk is what created this issue.

@rdizzy1

Жыл бұрын

@@payakadventures Sadly there would likely be even less chargers if subsidies were not involved. Probably at least half the amount. And they still would be half broken down on top of that.

@S2kDude36

Жыл бұрын

Or just not subsidize a poorly implemented charging network to start with.

@JohnSmith-yv6eq

Жыл бұрын

Communism...... just kidding USA hasn't even got one Police operating under one set of laws.... let alone any one company subjucating themselves to a "standard" set up by either Govt or a competitor. "Let the sharks eat each other" is corporate America's cry....

@tedmoss

Жыл бұрын

@@rdizzy1 Tesla chargers have never relied on subsidies.

Just finished a 400 mile drive in my Model Y. Though the snowstorms and single digit weather the car warmed its own batteries, charged quickly and worked fine. One stall had an issue with its connector. One out of dozens.

Kyle your knowledge and experience with EV charging infrastructure is 2nd to none. These companies should be paying you consultation fees to get their charging infrastructure fixed

Before I retired I was asked by three DC warehouses to prepare their facilities for future MCS fast charging. The issue the client ran into was not the actual production of power from the utility but the lack of utility grid distribution at two locations in the Phoenix Valley. The utility was telling the customer it could take up to five years before they could build out their network to meet their customer's MCS requirements. A storage system like Jule could address the utility grid distribution peaking issue. Both projects got scratched due to cost and availability. The good news is there are plans for two key public MCS charging stations near existing petro truck stops along the trucking corridor in Phoenix that will help address this issue. There are also plans for two new H2 production facilities near these locations.

I just discovered two new freewire units at an AM/PM Arco station here in Burlington, WA. Super interesting, they're not even on plugshare yet, and still fenced off at the moment.

@bnkwupt

Жыл бұрын

That’s interesting. I’m in La Conner and I’ll have to go check them out.

Another Great Video Kyle. Keep up the Great work.

The Stonehenge styling is especially appropriate.

You have to come to see Montreal it's one of the best places for EVs; we use flo here. I know there is only 100KW change all over the city but I never had one not work for me on a trip or anything; I think its because after 100KW, they need to have liquid-cooled cables and that seems to be less reliable. Look on plug share how many Montreal has there all over the place and they keep adding them month to month

@videopyc

Жыл бұрын

Car electrification is at a state of infancy in Montreal, because besides Tesla, there is not enough super chargers. no need to come to Montreal because Canada is not Norway… yet.

@philippe146

Жыл бұрын

​@@videopyc, well, we're doing much better than other cities in Canada, from le circuitelectrique. The network now operates more than 3800 charging stations, including 700 fast charging stations! So you can plug all over the city, that only le circuitelectrique then we have IVY petro Canada ChargePoint electrify Canada and new circlek

@gelu88

Жыл бұрын

@@videopyc what? Montréal is the best places in North America to have an ev. The number of L2 stations are enormous, and there are 50kw and 100kw ccs stations basically everywhere. Granted the number of 150kw+ stations is still low, but I appreciate 100kw stations that actually work vs fast ones that fail.

That sign says " Electric Vehicle parking and charging station." In some situations in crowded car parks that would give some entitled EV drivers permission to just park and hog. The sign says it's available for EV parking - and also - is an EV charging station. I would change that to stipulate that it's only a place for an EV to stop WHEN it is ACTIVELY charging.

This is DOA, a huge box like that should hold way more charge than that. Also no LFP? I mean a megapacks is not much bigger with 10x the capacity.

Kyle, about 3-4 weeks ago I was charging our Lucid across the street from you at the new 350 kW EA stations. They worked perfectly numerous times with plug N charge similar to our northern home’s Tesla. This Friday, the Lucid gets replaced with an EQS and I’ll try the Jule on Saturday. Hopefully, Jule has it fixed. Dad & I are about the same age.

Audi charging hub Zurich: The container cubes consist of used lithium-ion batteries that come from dismantled Audi test vehicles and serve as buffer storage for direct current. With this power storage, local grid capacities are less heavily used and there is no need for a complex infrastructure with high-voltage feed lines and expensive transformers. A mains connection power of 176 kW is sufficient for the 1.05 MWh battery storage system and its four charging stations, each with an output of up to 320 kW. The grid connection uses 100% green electricity. In addition, photovoltaic modules on the roof supply self-generated electricity. The Audi charging hub is thus based on a sustainable battery concept that ensures short downtimes thanks to high charging performance.

Nice you mentioned Ontario - Canada. Hope the company will do well and solve the glitches.

Kyle, excellent review we need more of those in areas where there’s a high demand of travel especially in Florida. I’m seeing more CCS vehicles on 95 on my trip down to Florida Also, this might make sense in that area if they experience low power outages, especially during storm season

I was just speaking to my sister who is down in Naples right now (Pelican Bay). She said that there’s still lots of damage from the Hurricane that has yet to be cleaned up. I would not be surprised if there is some relationship with storm clean-up as to why that installation is not working correctly. Sounds like lots of people are just arriving for the season and maybe overwhelming what infrastructure they’ve been able to get back up and running. Hope all of that gets resolved as soon as possible, but it sounds like it might not all happen this winter.

Interesting that they don't show up in PlugShare unless your kW filter is set to 0. You also need "Other" networks toggled on but I had that to see the FPL sites.

Speaking of charging. Just got the call to pick up our MYP with white interior Friday. I had the MYLR on hold order but since they were doing the $7500 and 10k fast charging switched to performance on the 22nd. Excited and nervous. Haven't owned a new car since 2009.

@envisionelectronics

Жыл бұрын

As a MY-LR owner for 2 years with 51k miles, I can say you’re going to LOVE it.

Reminds me of a decade ago people in my city and surrounding suburbs wanted direct fiber optic and we didn’t have it built yet. Give it ten years I guess lol

Thanks for the coverage, Kyle! I think that the biggest issue is still coverage, though. Looking at Naples on PlugShare, EA is pretty much the only game in town for faster than 100 kW charging, which sucks because EA has possibly the worst reliability of any major public charging provider. So a lot of Americans only have experience with the least reliable public fast charging provider. If ChargeNet, ChargePoint, EVgo, Shell Recharge, etc. all had 150+ kW coverage in the Naples area (they don't, obviously), EV owners would be free to simply ignore EA.

@marcusrose5943

Жыл бұрын

You think EA has the worst? Lol 😂 Francis Energy has entered the chat lol .

@newscoulomb3705

Жыл бұрын

@@marcusrose5943 As much as Francis is making inroads, they are still not a major network. Right, the only major public charging networks in the United States are: ChargePoint, Electrify America, EV Connect, and EVgo. Blink and Shell Recharge might also be in the conversation, but I still don't consider them major DCFC providers yet. Just to be clear, I define a "major" network as one that has a presence in majority of U.S. states (i.e., DC charging sites installed in >25 states).

@marcusrose5943

Жыл бұрын

@@newscoulomb3705 FE have all of Oklahoma and just got contracts for Kansas and New Mexico so yeah. This is why I laugh at all the EA bashing every one else (except SC)is worst by a lot but by only focusing on 1 the rest get to be bad in silence.

@marcusrose5943

Жыл бұрын

@@newscoulomb3705 as an aside what grade would you give this location?

@newscoulomb3705

Жыл бұрын

@@marcusrose5943 But that's my point. I've been using Electrify America for over 4 years now. They've never been reliable, and in fact, they've always been the least reliable on a charger level. EA's only saving grace is that they install more chargers per site than the others, so you can usually find at least one working charger per site. Meanwhile, those other networks I mentioned have all been far more reliable at a charger level, and for years, I've had no reservations about traveling while relying on ChargePoint or EVgo sites, even when there was only one or two chargers per site.

Imma go ahead and say I'm in Michigan and have had no problems at charge point. Even when it was -20° over the weekend. The snow sucked because nobody puts chargers under cover, but had no problem getting my charge.

One of the biggest reasons I traded in my i3. Wonderful car relying on a terribly managed 3rd party charging infrastructure. To be honest, I haven't used any public charging (including Superchargers) yet on my M3 as my commute roundtrip only uses up about 60% of my battery, but I have used it previously with rentals and love the convenience and seamless integration of finding a Supercharger while commuting. Tesla FTW. For now.

@JakeShirley

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. With the looming change of Tesla opening Superchargers (in US, I know EU is already transitioning) it poises them to be a major powerhouse (ziing) for reliable charging stations.

@kruemelfelix

Жыл бұрын

The issue is that in the US you only have crap, not-working hardware. I really don't understand why Europe has so reliable CCS2 Combo2 chargers from Alpitronic or Kempower, but in the US you only have crap from ABB, Efacec or all those other failing brands. In central Europe Tesla superchargers are basically empty due to their ridiculous prices and as you simply can rely on all other (cheaper) major charging networks too. In the US however you either drive a Tesla and pay the Tesla-fee at superchargers or you are stuck at non-working chargers or slow chargers.

@ulfw

Жыл бұрын

@@kruemelfelix still better than places like Australia that installs single stall 50W chargers by default (or 3KW AC chargers).

@tedmoss

Жыл бұрын

@@ulfw Now 50 watt chargers are really small.

It’s just a rough time for the time being to own a CCS charging EV do to the infancy of CCS charging infrastructure. When not road tripping and can charge at home EVs are amazing to drive and own, owning an all electric vehicle is not all about road tripping which seems to be what all the hub bub is about. How about talking about the pleasures of EV ownership for those of us who don’t road trip in cars but use them everyday for many different reasons. Also how about talking about the many places you can visit in your area within a round trip of 250-300 miles.

Shout out to Dave!

I tried a gen 1 frequently in Michigan that was installed at a Meijer grocery store near me. It rarely worked at all and never gave me more than 50 kw speeds. It was somewhat recently ripped out and not replaced. It was always free though!

@jeremyloveslinux

Жыл бұрын

Didn’t realize it was ripped out, bummer!

Unless the government gets involved and makes standards like they do with gas pumps this will continue.

@wolfman9999999

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, this has already gotten old.

@newscoulomb3705

Жыл бұрын

@Xaero The NACS standard won't make charging providers more reliable.

@chidorirasenganz

Жыл бұрын

@@newscoulomb3705 no reason it wouldn’t

@rnursemd

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps some sort of sanctions if you install chargers that don't work and kudos when they do: carrot/stick approach.

@Noisy_Cricket

Жыл бұрын

This is partly why Elon is trying to make Tesla's charger the standard. We've understood the basics of electricity for almost 200 years. We've had robust electrical infrastructure for 100 years or so. Come on folks, this can't be THIS hard.

Durham Region in Ontario. The region consists of multiple cities east of Toronto. Just an FYI. Thank you for your dedication to EV advocacy and education.

Good idea .... 👍👍

The stalls might be NEVI compliant, but the site/install is not. It has to have a minimum of 4 stalls and a 600kW connection to the grid to be NEVI compliant. Also, NEVI money is distributed by the individual states which may have their own requirements. (And I don't think any funding will get issued until April of 2023 at the earliest.

I think you might be overlooking the reason for that specific placement. I would bet it’s primary reason is to supply charging for the apartments and neighborhood around you. This is a great cost effective way for an apartment/condo complex to set themselves apart from other apartments/condos. A friend lives in a very upscale apartment and would love to drive electric but the closest place to charge is about seven miles away and also nothing anywhere near where he works.

@thedopplereffect00

Жыл бұрын

People who live in apartments shouldn't own electric cars. Unless the apartment provides EV charging. Never heard of one that does.

Glad I got a Tesla Model 3 4 1/2 years ago and waiting on my Model Y with a $20,500 in savings ($13,000 price cut and $7,500 tax credit). Love the Supercharging network.

What a shame it didn't work. Still would love to hear more about that. It is a super interesting solution. They probably aren't interested in showing it but I'd love to hear about what they have learned so far about the needs for the power supply to the installations, battery depletion, how to size the battery buffer size depending on the power they can get and the traffic to the sites. That goes for Freewire too. but it's probably trade secrets. :D

@tedmoss

Жыл бұрын

Really you can sit down and figure it out yourself, hardly a secret.

so does this charge at off-peak hours to offer lower cost considering its in a well-developed area?

I've been suggesting something like this for a while. I work with shopping centres that don't have new power infrastructure and can only offer fast charging via battery installations.

Nice site review. Maybe I'll have to do a review of some of the Jule sites they have now up and running in Ontario.

143kWh or 2000 lb for my home off-grid system. That thing is very heavy. Keep up the good work. Waiting a couple of years to get the bugs worked out before I purchase an EV van for my business.

180kwh for that big box seems a bit of a joke, in that size 500-800kwh should fit easily

You mentioned the possible lack of power in rural areas. I think you would find that rural electric associations (REAs) are perfectly capable of providing high power solutions. Farmers use a lot of power. And some REAs (including mine) also power fairly large cities (100K +) in their territories.

They have been saying Chademo is dead for years and will probably continue to say it while putting Chademo connectors on new chargers.

Question. If a Tesla is 100% charged. Then left unused for awhile. How much charge does it use while inactive ?

When the grid goes to crap will these battery packs hold the charge or feed back into the grid

Thinking about the pricing model...if you pay for 150 kW, but the car only actually charges at 50 kW, does the price adjust to the cheaper rate, or do you pay the more expensive rate because you pressed the 150kW button? For drivers that watch Out Of Spec videos and know what they're doing, this should never be an issue, but I'd be willing to be that there's a whole lot of drivers out there who don't know what they're doing, many of which will overpay for faster speeds only to end up charging at the slower speed because their car is the limiting factor.

@dillonk5573

Жыл бұрын

That is what probably a lot of these charging companies entire business model. Government subsidies and over charging and under delivering

Those units could be used for load balance-smoothing (uses a smaller feed than a standard DC unit, but runs at its full power), while a vehicle tends to have a taper charge current. So in the beginning, the battery helps charge the vehicle, and later on, it starts to recover while the vehicle finishes up (at the end of a taper)

@VeMultiVo

Жыл бұрын

They'd have to be much much bigger for load balancing. 180kwh really isn't much storage

@rdizzy1

Жыл бұрын

I don't think most people fill up all the way though, I just fill mine whatever is quickest to get me around, like up to 70%.

Do you always leave your vehicle charging when you are home?

Since it's a stationary battery and weight/size isn't as important as it might be in a car, they are saving a good deal of money using a cheaper but less dense NiMH chemistry. NiMH is less than half the cost of LiFePo4 per kwh, and virtually no fire risk even with heavy abuse. You're trading size and efficiency for that, but again it's not like you have to worry about moving it around.

I wonder whether tesla will do power pack chargers for cyber truck and semi- 800v - would make sense

I am not sure if you have done a deep dive on NEVI requirements on your channels, but that would be a great podcast/video. From what I understand, this station would not meet the requirements. The NEVI guidelines I remember require each location to deliver a minimum of 600kW across four plugs. Each plug must be able to deliver a minimum of 150kW. Power sharing is allowed between stations but not below 150kW. Unfortunately I don’t know if there is a minimum voltage or amperage.

Being a Canadian I road-tripped to Florida I was astonished how very little ev’s throughout the 🇺🇸. Even in Florida most chargers were empty most of the time.

@FullSpectrumWarrior

Жыл бұрын

Why? Murica has way more usable drivable land than Canada. So it'll be easier to set up a smaller network. Plus with 10 times more people there are lots of "low income" who cant afford 50+k pricing.

9:15 CCS1 and CCS2 probably refers to 400V mode and 800V mode

@ArtiePenguin1

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I think you're right. Some DC fast chargers have different maximum amperage outputs when the voltage is higher than 500 V. For this station, if the voltage is no higher than 500 V then it can output 200 A; if the voltage is higher than 500 V then it can only output 165 A.

Very interesting, thanks. Sounds like your wireless mic was getting some intermittent interference. Try local recording at the transmitter if your system offers this feature.

@iMaxPatten

Жыл бұрын

The DJI mics do. I’ll show Kyle how to for next time as a backup 😅

@TroggyPB

Жыл бұрын

I think the volume/quality issue was when he brought the mic (clipped to the hoodie neck just below his chin) very close up to his throat when moving arm or dipping his neck.

@bigfan007

Жыл бұрын

@@iMaxPatten As do the Rode Wireless GO II

@bigfan007

Жыл бұрын

@@TroggyPB Yes, I noticed this odd placement too. You may be right.

@ArtiePenguin1

Жыл бұрын

It was because the mic was clipped into his hoodie on the inside instead of on the outside. So it periodically pressed against his throat which caused the distorted sound.

I thought (via InsideEVs podcast interviews) chargers used the grid power as much as they could to charge and then just topped up the power using the battery - are Jules doing this differently?

Is part of the problem with charger availability down to the retail power chains having to few/inadequately trained service personnel.

If I owned a mall or shopping center; I would cover the parking lot and roof with solar panels and chargers with batteries along the backside. Power generation most of the year and an incentive for people to hit the mall.

@thedopplereffect00

Жыл бұрын

Your mall would go bankrupt spending money on unprofitable things like that

@christylbk

Жыл бұрын

@@thedopplereffect00 I don't know I assume people owning a mall must rake in the cash since they are just landlords and only have to provide maintenance.

@thedopplereffect00

Жыл бұрын

@@christylbk "only have to provide maintenance" lol... Wow you know nothing about real estate. Do you even own a house?

Will you do a meet up in then Naples area?

I live in Homestead a few hours away. You want me to swing by and try it out when it's back up? Granted, I got a Bolt, so you're not getting much speed, but I'll tell you if works!

Review on freewire?

I know there is a first iteration of this Jule charger located in Auburn Hills, MI. It was very problem prone. Looking on PS today, I see that location has been recently updated, but problems persist. This is the likely form factor for rural chargers, so these problems need to be sorted. Perhaps making L2 plugs available along with the DC plugs, and nfc app communication as opposed to card readers? There is also a similar installation supposedly going in at the tip of the thumb (Michigan mitten).

“One of the reasons I really wanted to come here was for this charger”… not your family for xmas :) Just poking fun, I get it. I saw your twitter post last night in Naples wait times, and I was like “what is he doing in Florida?”.

Ever check out Volta chargers? We have them at shopping centers and movie theaters here in North Texas and they work great…..free too. 👍🏻

180kw DC fast charger from battery storage, Solar supplied, grid back-up in rural areas with adequate thru put. And I want flying unicorns too, for free.😁

Would you consider being a host of a charging station in your own town? It would be really cool to "see behind the curtain" of the whole business, maybe give reviews of charging units from an owner's perspective?

Jeez, If EA does not fix its system I'll sell my Ioniq 5 and get a Model y.

@AvalineSky

Жыл бұрын

The unreliability of US electric charging is making it hard for me to consider an EV other than a tesla. It really sucks. While yes, home charging is a thing, I like to drive longer distances and would need to depend on charging networks

Come up to Ontario- Toronto area sometime for some reviews??

Can it be empty when it charged 10-20 cars?

I wonder if these battery packs could also back up the grid during brown/blackouts

@mattyp99

Жыл бұрын

Thought Kyle mentioned they have the ability to sell electricity back to the grid. Definitely would help local communities in natural disaster situations

@thedopplereffect00

Жыл бұрын

The circuit was only sized for 50kW. Wouldn't make much difference.

I thought your dad had a different EV. I found the EA charger on plugshare, but not the Jule and I couldn't find it in the list of networks either.

I feel you always have trouble with chargers over in America? I try not to sound arrogant but here in Norway I have maybe come over one or two failed chargers, but then I can take the one next to it. What’s wrong? I mean sincerely, what’s wrong? The infrastructure? The charges them self? Software?

Where does the electricity to charge the battery for the chargers come from? What type of energy is used to produce a EV car? What is the carbon footprint to mine the products to make the batteries?

On the "is this good for Naples v. more rural areas?" Remember: hurricanes.

This type of setup needs live reliable communication to potential users so they know what is the max power available now before making it a part of their plan. 10KW or 150KW? If you are an hour away, it is a crapshoot what you will get when you get there with two stations. There should be a standard of communication and one place all DCFCs report to.

@JohnSmith-yv6eq

Жыл бұрын

Communism...... just kidding USA hasn't even got one Police operating under one set of laws.... let alone any one company subjucating themselves to a "standard" set up by either Govt or a competitor. "Let the sharks eat each other" is corporate America's cry....

How come a big box like that only contains 180kWh of battery? Surely there is enough room in there for much more than that? My domestic 19 kWh LFP battery is way less than 10% of the size of that box. I would really expect to see a cabinet that size holding between 360 to 500 kWh, including charging and protection circuitry, and ample space for efficient cooling airflow.

Great video. Why don’t you do reliability of j1772? Many more listed on plug share. Lot of us only use that. Also I hear that bad guys are stealing the cables to sell the copper. Is this an issue. Thanks from bills cool projects on youtube here in Parker Colorado. Click smiley face for link check out solar ev playlists.

The battery capacity looks very of low for such a big instrastructure. You should take a look at the Netzero from XCharge with a 233 kWh or double battery pack and it fits in one or two parking spaces

Kyle, I never got the reason for the blue lead? Also, what is the battery pack going to do?? Charge one car in the event of a power outage?? Seems silly??

@evahsia

Жыл бұрын

The blue lead is CHAdeMO.

This is a great idea but, ownership has outpaced charger demand, also, what is it going to cost to replace that lack in 10 years. Power companies need to get on board with chargers

10:20 I don't like their complicated pricing at all. I presume they have it setup that way since they're a Canadian company and you can't bill by the kWh in most places in Canada right now. There's a pending law/rule change to allow per-kWh pricing in Canada. Hopefully they'll soon change their billing to support per-kWh pricing, at least for units installed in places where that is allowed. I think they should come up with hybrid battery connected DCFCs that have a higher capacity grid connection (around 100 kW) but use the battery to buffer the demand charges. Right now, any battery connected DCFCs exclusively use the battery and have a very small grid connection (usually just 20-30 kW).

For a fraction of a second I thought "Juul charger?", until I actually read the name. I'm very smart 🙃

It’s a good idea but why why why do they skimp on the most basic things like card readers and the CCS cable. It blows my mind that they want to have the least expensive parts of the entire site be able to gimp it. I am 4 years into Tesla ownership and I still won’t switch for my next car most likely.

As least with recycled dino juice I can have a couple of spare cans in the outside shed. When it's 30 below C or F I want a proven technology to get me home after skiing or winter camping.

Thanks for review. Please find why only 180 kWh - should be at least double in size.

This would be cool for maybe a home high speed charging application and you could do home battery backup.

@brandonhaynes

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but the FreeWire unit for example is around $150,000+ to have it installed. I love the idea of these units for more rural applications though!

@adog4180

Жыл бұрын

@@brandonhaynes if it cost that much the company is making at least 50% profit but I thinking closer to 100% profit. Just look at how much a tesla with a 90kwh battery costs and that vehicle moves or even the hummer with has a 200kwh pack.

@brandonhaynes

Жыл бұрын

@@adog4180 It would take several years to recoup the costs assuming they weren’t down for maintenance, etc. Electrify America only made like $14 million last year and they have a ton of chargers….not much profit for a company valued over a billion $. I do agree it would be cool, but the economics are not great overall.

@JohnSmith-yv6eq

Жыл бұрын

@@brandonhaynes You forget corporate America fudges figures and plays the long game...

I know it’s rare, but how often does one arrive at an inoperable Tesla supercharger, or arrive and it’s been iced?

@JohnSmith-yv6eq

Жыл бұрын

Well, his previous vid shws the ratio he encountered in one night......

@MechayaAlta

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnSmith-yv6eq anyone keeping track of this on a larger scale, rather than some anecdotal reports? How about Tesla releasing this type of data? If it’s rare it should help sales.

The screen needs to show the battery's state of charge and the maximum rate that the unit can currently deliver, so the user knows what maximum rate to expect. Looking at the plugshare for this unit there's a lots of "I got a slow charge" and replies from the company of "I'm sorry, but the battery was drained due to high usage"....so yeah, PUT IT ON SCREEN!

7:16 In regards to NEVI compliance, I don't like that charging providers are going to be able to fudge the numbers to meet the 150 kW threshold, but frankly, I think the power requirement itself is a problem for NEVI. It falls into the trap that more faster is always more better for charging, and that simply isn't true. Chargers should powered appropriately for the site and the business host's expectations. 100 kW chargers like these Jule units are great for sit-down restaurants and retail plazas. At this point, 200 A probably should be the minimum power to receive NEVI funds, but those 100 kW chargers shouldn't be eligible for the same level of funding as 350 A or 500 A charging that need to be installed at convenience stores and travel plazas.

@4literv6

Жыл бұрын

Freewire dc battery backup equipped chargers for infastructure not made by tesla to meet the new nevi standards make near perfect sense.

@newscoulomb3705

Жыл бұрын

@@4literv6 The big problem is cost. Each Freewire Boost charger comes with a 160 kWh battery, which is a huge, upfront cost. I really wish they would set up a Master/subordinate configuration with a two-head, split-power CCS unit and a two-head, split-power CCS + CHAdeMO unit. That gives a four active plug set up with a much lower upfront cost.

It’s definitely the age of the EV rush. So many companies rushing to get ev charging stations in place and not doing the proper quality control. Unfortunately these experiences will give people a bad experience and drive people back to ICE vehicles. Unfortunately it seems at this time Hybrids (PHEVs) are the best option right now for those of us who need to do long road trips.

Has anyone ever looked into the economics of charging stations? Initial investment, maintenance cost, cost of electricity, Etc.. This one in particular looks very expensive to me, on multiple levels

Look into this company called spark charge, May come in handy for you!

Long term it would be smart to make power at charging stations via BLOOMBOX fuel cell technology.

That storage unit seems really big for a 180KWh battery...

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It looks like it has a door and you can walk into it. Probably a lot of empty space.

Seriously, what is with every non-tesla charging company and their constantly failing units? Is it really that hard that no one can get it right besides tesla?

The nameplate said 50kW input. If a bunch of cars charge in one day there will be issues. Once the battery is depleted, 2 cars would be limited to 25kW each. That's pretty bad.

Only Kyle looks deep into the specs of things and sees how the company messed up .

No follow up video?

Do what ICE car drivers do at filling stations: If the pump doesn't work, leave the cable ON THE GROUND not back in the machine. It lets other drivers know not to waste time there. It also tells the owner to get their equipment fixed. Now.

We need a Mega Pack with 8 super chargers attached to it lol

This is quite funny as this is an Ontario based company but Ontario is one of the worst places for charging infrastructure. And good point about -25c not been good enough, but if it’s a warmer climate only model then fine.

This is a very big unit if you think a Freewire has 160kWh battery in a much smaller unit. Agreed though, not a great spot for high traffic area.

unless battery can be fast charged and used to balance grid

There is one thing Americans don't do well. Infrastructure. We always cheap out.