One thing I forgot - you can use real twigs and branches as armatures (make sure you bake it and make it safe though). Show me your stuff on our growing facebook group - facebook.com/groups/450820895603289/

Great video Jay. For my twopenneth I think the clump foliage one is perfectly acceptable for wargaming. The seafoam ones are too delicate and such a big increase in both time and cost.

@TerrainMadeEasy

3 жыл бұрын

I swearI have replied to this but youtube is failing me. And yeah I think I agree.

Another great video mate, loved the little intro footage you did. Great build as well :D

@TerrainMadeEasy

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I will try and improve as I go :)

Good advice Jay! I think you did a good job of covering the options for making realistic trees at a low cost. Thanks for sharing this.

@TerrainMadeEasy

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very kindly :)

Thanks for the cool demonstration video!

@TerrainMadeEasy

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much :)

Thank you so much, it's like easy to make that tree, love this

@TerrainMadeEasy

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much and yeh it is for sure!

As an alternative to the sea foam I've used triangular meshes that are designed to keep leaves out of gutters. The mesh is 3D and if you pluck irregular shapes out of it, it looks pretty good.

@TerrainMadeEasy

3 жыл бұрын

Like a gutter hedghog wire thing? Yeah they can do decent trees I think.

@edevans5991

3 жыл бұрын

@@TerrainMadeEasy This is the item: www.acehardware.com/departments/building-supplies/roofs-and-gutters/gutter-guards/5406087

A very good video for budget wargaming. Again!

@TerrainMadeEasy

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you :)

Aileen's is tacky compared to regular PVA but it's not even close to Hob-E-Tac - I didn't try it when I made trees but I imagine there would be problems with bits of flock dropping off before it dried well enough.

@TerrainMadeEasy

3 жыл бұрын

I had just read it, I had not tried it myself sadly. But if people agree with you I will pin a comment.

@jherazob

3 жыл бұрын

I saw a madlad using freaking hot glue! And it somehow worked! I do think the tacky glue will work, if you commit for a second pass to add more foliage anywhere it's missing, quite worth a try

@TerrainMadeEasy

3 жыл бұрын

@@jherazob Hot glue is insane!

@CampaignTerrain

3 жыл бұрын

I've tried the Tacky Glue and clump foliage, with no inner structure. It's possible to get a sturdy tree, but it requires multiple layers, and plenty drying time. Liberally top coating with 50/50, at the end, doesn't go amiss, either

Great research on wargaming trees. It's a bit late for this year, but if you still see anyone with a pumpkin on display for fall, ask permission to repurpose the stem from it. I think the wider trunk makes a much better looking tree. You could then use Woodland Scenics trees as rhe branches or make your own branches from wooded dowels and lengths of thick wire. Then cover them with materials as described in the video above. Any sort of wash gives the truck a decently realistic appearance. The effect looks especially great on tables for Age of Sigmar, Warcry, and Middle Earth games.

@TerrainMadeEasy

3 жыл бұрын

For sure, you can get armatures in different ways, and the woodland scenics ones aren't the best but readily available and not super expensive. I do like a chunkier trunk though.

@GeneJordan

3 жыл бұрын

@@TerrainMadeEasy they make great looking stumps, too. The larger trunk (as a tree) also makes them a wonderful feature to work the story around in a role playing game. In a 40K or post apocalyptic game or scenario 100% of the smaller trees would have either been blown up, used as firewood, or both. If past war history has proved anything, it is this. I've read that Tolkien's war experience was his inspiration for the destruction of the Forests at Isengard for war in LOTR and the resulting March of the Ents to end it.

@TerrainMadeEasy

3 жыл бұрын

@@GeneJordan I will try and check it for next year

A couple of cheap tree armature options... 1. Grape vine pieces from grapes at the grocery store. Dry them out after you finish eating some grapes. Once dry, cover with PVA then grind up Floral Foam for flocking and cover the tree with that while the vine is wet with PVA. Then do what you did for basing. 2. Straighten out paper clips then twist three to five together and leave about 1 1/2 to 2 inches of the paperclips at the top not twisted together. Wrap the twist with painter's masking tape then paint it brown and the paper clip wires you didn't tape brown. Then bend your paper clips out to a variety of directions and then spray it with watered down PVA and then dip it into the ground floral foam. Then base as you did. Once this is all done, seal both trees with watered down PVA. Then you can base as you did.

@TerrainMadeEasy

2 жыл бұрын

All sound reasonable :)

Another good one, Jay. I feel the seafoam is too delicate for gaming. As a diorama, when you want realism, heck yeah. To have the gang 'round, grubbing it up with their Cheeto fingers? Too expensive to risk it. I've been doing some experimenting with coco/faux "horsehair", and works OK, if you split the fibers apart a bit, first. However, if you want to see my fav compromise between semi-realistic yet table sturdy, check out my vids, #s 22 & 23

@TerrainMadeEasy

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I think I agree msotly, the horsehair thing is pretty staple and I think I'd do a table like that if I was doing one. I did enjoy your trees,, I think I favour the horse hair but just preference, those do look good.

A method I used with clump foliage that worked for me was to make a bath of watery PVA in a tub, then with one hand squish it and roll it all around in that, then with your other hand while your doing that put superglue on the thing your attaching it to. So the superglue sticks it down, and the PVA bath you've given it seals it when it dries. Very, very messy though!

@TerrainMadeEasy

3 жыл бұрын

Sort of sounds fun, a bit of a bodge but I think I'd like it!

So how many do you need? If I was doing a game of Warcry or Killteam set in only a jungle or forest, how many trees creates a natural but playable board.

I would love to see a full tutorial on dead trees as I am making all my terrain to fit a desert layout

@TerrainMadeEasy

3 жыл бұрын

I need to think of a good easy way of doing good ones!

great video

@TerrainMadeEasy

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very kindly :)

I literally just started making trees yesterday!

@TerrainMadeEasy

3 жыл бұрын

Good luck, what method are you using?

@levibarnhurst862

3 жыл бұрын

@@TerrainMadeEasy Thanks, I'm using the method from Eric's hobby workshop for pine trees.

@TerrainMadeEasy

3 жыл бұрын

@@levibarnhurst862 Not seen it but will try and check it out

can sawdust flocking will be a trick ? or how about pillow stuff inside a pillow cases?

@TerrainMadeEasy

2 жыл бұрын

I am not sure, I don't think I have ever seen trees down with sawdust, sorry.

Great video, the trees you made looked excellent. But the issue with trees in table top wargaming is that we are still using the same model rail road "technology" that has been around since table top wargaming started. When a model rail roader puts together 12 trees and sets them out on the display they never move, they never have anyone trying to run a platoon of troopers thru them, they never get nocked over or kneeled on or thrown into a box with 3 destroyed buildings, 8 road sections and 5 river pieces. You can always tell how long trees have been used at a club by how haggard they look, poor bastards. We need a better way to make trees or represent trees in table top wargaming.

@TerrainMadeEasy

3 жыл бұрын

Aye. I think the best compromise is probably 3d printed trees with no flock, if you want something that will last. I can't personally think of anything except maybe going overboard on a sealing method.

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spray glue from Poundland....one can cost er.........

@TerrainMadeEasy

3 жыл бұрын

I have tried many cheap spray glues and never found a good one, have you tried it?

@richardbradley2335

3 жыл бұрын

@@TerrainMadeEasy Hello again...glad you liked my ork terrain last week.....only used this really to glue a MAT O WAR to a foam board. Did use this on tee armatures and it was ok....got a hot glue gun from poundland to finish it off

@TerrainMadeEasy

3 жыл бұрын

@@richardbradley2335 yeah, I remember that great orc board, I have some mount board now! And yeah the cheap spray glues often don't spray, they are more like strands

@richardbradley2335

3 жыл бұрын

@@TerrainMadeEasy yeah...on my board though it was fine to stick the cloth down....will put more pics on your FB to show what ive done...stay safe mate

@TerrainMadeEasy

3 жыл бұрын

@@richardbradley2335 and you!