ive had large adv bikes and small and this 450 will be my next bike as its all you need

Light is right for £5700 pounds find another bike with all the cf moto mt 450 has nobody wants a big old fat dinosaur bike to pickup from the floor when you come off let’s have fun and ring it’s neck the best bike to tour on is the one in your garage top vlog mate

I have had the BMWs the GS series and I do love them. I have the 450NK now and it’s the same motor and transmission, they are fantastic on the interstate and I can ride it all day long. For the money in the size, I don’t think you can beat the MT in any fashion so far you just have to get past the mental stigmas but for the price and the quality and 53 years of writing, I’ve never seen anything any better at this point, but that’s my opinion I’ve been into Honda and Yamaha my whole life and I think these are actually better made having owned all 3 of the others I mentioned. I will have the MT when it comes here as well. I’m new here and I like your opinions. I think they’re very fair.

An objective view and in some points I agree. I personally think that you need to look at it a different way especially in terms of weight. All the bikes you advised for touring are heavy and that alone can be fatiguing. I look at it as 1). Cruising at speed on these bikes after being re-geared will be more relaxing and I have already seen and heard how much of a difference it makes on the CF Moto and it is definitely acceptable. 2). The speed on the CF Moto for overtaking is far better than you think it is because that little engine is an absolute peach. Touring with heavy luggage will be a different thing and we all know that when you tour you should pack light anyway. 3). Accessories are easier to make than bikes and as long as they have the man power, they not only have the smaller dealer network but also KTM so I don't see this being an issue at all, only for the present as the bike has just come to market. To be honest the major players still take their own sweet time with accessories even at this point considering their established longevity. 4). Expense plays a major part in too. As much as I love big capacity adventure bikes, I would rather a small to mid instead due to weight and cost. The costs will be far lower. Yes, servicing is more but that's what you pay for. It's based more on a scrambler engine than anything else. If you buy this bike to do 10k miles per year and expect low service intervals in a bike in this range you clearly are not doing your research however, if you intend to do 5k then it will end up being a yearly service. 5). There is also the issue of rider weight. Lots of bikers who buy these types of bikes are typically overweight for what they are designed and instead of trying to loose weight, they try to increase the capacity of the bike instead of looking at bigger capacity bikes so, it's a change in mindset which needs to be applied for some riders too. You chose a good topic to discuss and I do like that. It was a very smart decision to get people's comments below. Well done! This is the first time I have viewed your channel and look forward to more good topics of discussion in the future. Keep up the good work and God bless. 👍🏿

In Australia you can only go 110 klm hour so not much need for a big heavy bike . Test rode 450 mt yesterday has plenty enough power to cruise at that speed . And don't have to worry about riding on my own in case of dropping the bike

@tomhan

15 күн бұрын

Yes , because people buy bikes to travel at the speed limit... im just winding you up , I actually really like the 450 and will probably buy one myself

@thelonewolf666

15 күн бұрын

yep agreed mate--- ive had 19 large adv bikes in 9 years and this 450 will be my next as its all you need,

@MotoGuzziMoto

7 күн бұрын

That is the most important point. Many riders ride alone at least some of the time, and if you venture offroad then you need to be able to manage the bike out of trouble single handed. To have a manageable bike and still be able to slog out to the good riding spot comfortably is the golden ticket. This engine also is a smooth happy revver, so will be fun wherever you ride.

Interesting points. I often wonder why companies do not use 6th gears as an overdrive for motorway chores. Please drop the sound effects inserts as it hard to hear what you’re saying at times.

Only two bikes I am considering for my next bike. The CF450 and the Reiju 500. There is no need to pay more and I dont want the weight or size of an Africa twin or big BMW GS.

Fellow CRF1000 owner (2016) bought a KTM 390 Adv to do a RTW trip in a few years time. I could pick up the Honda once a day when dropped off road, but if I was to drop it repeatedly or get it stick in deep mud, it would kill me. The lil KTM is much easier to manhandle. Done the Stella Alpina Rally on the 390 last year, 3000 mile round trip, and all round Scotland. The Honda is relegated to fast road riding duties with my mates, when I go on tour, it's the 390 every time. I don't target a cruising speed, I target a cruising rpm. I aim just to be entering the powerband, and keep it at the lower end of the power range. That's 6-6500rpm, which is 70-80 mph. Another 3000rpm and 15 comfortable mph to play with for overtakes. Fast enough to get speeding tickets anywhere in UK or Europe. Even coped surprisingly well on the Autobahns of Germany.

My Tuareg 660 is just 10kg heavier wet weight, with twice the power of the 450MT. I don't think the 450MT is the "Unicorn" , "Swiss Army knife" etc. I think the KTM 790 based MT-X, when it's released, could be if they price it aggressively enough.

As they say what goes up most come down, In my case I went from a 1150gsa to a regular 1200gs, to a v strom 1000 to an f800gs, and I agree that the bigger bikes are way more comfortable and they create a feeling that you are in the bike and that is a great feeling that you are in your own little space, but unfortunately somewhere down the line those bikes will start to feel heavy, and those who feel that way they will be willing to sacrifice something to ride a bike that is more manageable for them Cheers!

Your front tire is mounted incorrectly.

Look, kind sir. Respectfully. Regarding people being drawn to ADV bikes because of the 'style' & not the 'adventure', a Panigale fitted with knobby tires does not make an 'adventure bike'. I suppose that would be enough on easy dirt/gravel paths, but that may be less adventurous than some are hoping for. Maybe augmenting the knobby tires with taller forks, rear shocks, & taller/wider handlebars might do it for some. Still, in the pantheon of motorcycle aesthetics, ADV bikes are not high: they appear plainly utilitarian, though that isn't bad.

0:58 ??? 😅😅 🐑🐑🐏🐑🐑 It got me a little

Nathan has just uploaded his first video on his new CF Moto 450 MT. It is an interesting first take given all the caveats that go with any first review. I would hope that those buying the CF 450/Himalayan 452 are aware of the limiting factors as far as all day motorway mile crunching, I am. I do think that the larger, heavy, less fuel efficient bikes are not for everyone and the best adventure bike is the one you are riding. Still looking at this sector of the market as it, to me, seems to suit my requirements. Thanks for you upload, interesting thoughts.

@theartisanrider472

17 күн бұрын

HI just watched Nathans initial test. it definitely looks like a great trail bike,you can see how impressed he is with it. although you can still see the hi revving nature of that gearing. il look forward to getting my hands on one. i tested the latest nc750x yesterday and was very pleasantly surprised at how well it rode with a much better suspension set up compared to previous models, plus the engine and gearbox are perfectly suited to long touring comfort. could well be a left field alternative in this market battle. ride safe paul

I am considering the cf moto 700 mt as I agree a smaller engine like the 471cc in my cb500x can get buzzy on the freeway I have done big tours on the bike but know a larger engine would be more relaxed its hopefully not to heavy to move around think the 800 just too much and never do pillion my wife has her own bike. Have you tested a cf moto 700 ?

@theartisanrider472

17 күн бұрын

hi Malcolm its a tricky problem to get right, having said that, i tested the new Honda NC750x yesterday and can say the suspension issues i had with my earlier model are now a thing of the past as far as i can tell, and the low centre of gravity the under seat fuel tank gives you, makes this a good alternative to a full on tourer/adventure bike. the gears are nice and long so motorway cruising is very calm. il be uploading that episode in a couple of weeks. ive not tried any CF moto bikes yet, my dealer has very limited stock, which seems to be the case sadly. but as soon as i can il get on one and report back. regards paul

@malcolmpatton9314

15 күн бұрын

@@theartisanrider472 yeah I like the nc750 but unable to purchase new in Australia

2 and a half minutes in. Here's the point "adventure bikes" started off as small(er) 500, 600 650 cc bikes. Basically scrambler versions of road bikes., until we have the over priced, overweight, current crop like your AT and the BMW et al which really only replaced the sport tourer segment. As someone who weighs 160lbs soaking wet I don't want to pick up one of those bloated turds even once. I was itching for a CRF 300 Rally but Covid and wait and wait until the supply chain fixes itself happened. I have now ordered a CFMOTO 450 MT. I am not bashing your bike have at it. What irritates me is all this bigger and more powerful BS used by manufacturers to sucker us into buying something we don't need or can really handle off road. The same thing has happened to the car industry where everyone has to have a wan*ing big SUV for that one time in a year they may need to pull a trailer. It's all BS. FWIW I toured all over europe in the late 70's early 80's on an RD350.

In the 80s I sold early computers, new models were coming out regularly, people would come in and say ‘should I wait for the latest greatest?’ I would always say you could but then there will be a better one around the corner and you will never buy one to actually use……

Seem the cfmoto do almost 100mph so I think they will cruise at 70mph no problems

You mean low geared I think?

@theartisanrider472

17 күн бұрын

yes indeed, one day il get it the right way round, but you get the gist. regards paul

brooo. skip the sound effects. I cant be hearing you, it keeps me distracted./