Correction: the weight stated in the video is wrong, as the German official CFMoto site got it wrong 😂. It is 175kg dry, so similar to the Royal Enfield Himalayan. The brakes are also not directly from Brembo as it turns out but instead from their spanish sub brand J.Juan. Sorry about that, annoys me to no end that I got that wrong.

@ganzmontejo4176

5 күн бұрын

Saw a post somewhere, the dude weighted the bike, total wet is 195KG

@MrTmax74

4 күн бұрын

Yep, or close to it​@@ganzmontejo4176

@bobz1736

4 күн бұрын

I think the biggest effect is rider weight. If you're over 100kgs, then every bike you ride will feel heavy 😅

@ganzmontejo4176

4 күн бұрын

@@bobz1736 the heaviest thing in a bike is the rider's ego 😁

@muzammilfarooq4975

4 күн бұрын

The wet weight of the 450mt is 190+ kg

I've had my 450MT out here in Australia for about 3 weeks and absolutley love it!

A very constructive and unbiased review. I will purchasing one next year myself. I don't care about people's opinions on bikes made in China as they are pretty quick to dismiss how many things they purchase are made in the same country. CF Moto are going to become major players quickly if the Japanese don't pull their socks up. Keep up the good work and God bless. 👍🏿

@georgeiliopoulos1917

4 күн бұрын

Who cares if you buy from China. Good luck my friend.

@rimrunz1795

3 күн бұрын

Indeed, yes

@DanTube2010

2 күн бұрын

I have 2 Hondas and according to Honda about 30% of their supply chain is in China. Hard if not impossible to buy Chinese-free bikes.

I've had mine in Australia for a few weeks, and have done 1,200kms. Agree regarding the gearing being too short. I fitted a 15-tooth front sprocket (up 1 tooth), and that makes cruising at 110kph (max legal speed in Oz) much more comfortable, dropping by about 500rpm compared to standard, and making the speedo much more accurate. First gear becomes more usable, even off road, as the motor has a very good bottom end and mid range. I think a 16-tooth sprocket would fit if you were going to be doing a lot of freeway/autobahn riding. For my height (170cm) it's very comfortable on the highway with the screen raised. I can easily reach the ground, unlike on the bigger adv bikes - I'd love a T7, but I just don't fit! Other cons - from the factory the suspension is way too hard, but is easily softened. The fueling isn't perfect, being a little bit on/off at low speed - hopefully that will be fixed via software update. Yes, cruise control would be very nice, but it's a cable throttle rather than ride-by-wire, so that would require significant hardware update.

@cougar-ii627

3 күн бұрын

Could fit a Vista Cruise thumb lock cruise control, and it’s cheap.

6:50 what you talking about? This is their 4th bike using that exact engine, it's not brand new, but it's 100% CFMoto's. The fact that they've used it on 3 other different bikes and the internet hasn't informed on red flags about them is a good sign.

We have a unicorn bike since 1990, the suzuki dr650. 165kg wet, cruising at 120km /h no problems, great maintenance intervals, highly customizable, great offroad with a suspension uograde and pretty comfortable with a seat upgrade

@Pierre-louisGanne

4 күн бұрын

The dr650 is not available in Europe due to emission regulations. It’s only in the used market now

@juanignaciodeleze3437

4 күн бұрын

​@@Pierre-louisGannethat sucks!!!!

@TheParaxore

2 күн бұрын

DR650 is awesome but new ones aren't that great of a value considering all the upgrades you'd need to get it closer to something like this. If you can get a used one with the upgrades already done though they are super solid

@josechimal1358

Күн бұрын

​@TheParaxore well said, "Some people spend another 3k plus to get the dr650 a perfect bike" that's basically 10k after everything. You can buy a nicer bike with 10k that is already set up.

@juanignaciodeleze3437

Күн бұрын

​@@josechimal1358 true and not true, a "better" bike for what? 10k will get you a better street bike or 10k will get you a better lighter non street legal bike,sure!!!, but I challenge you to name 1 bike under 10k that is street legal lighter than 165 kg, as reliable as a a dr650, with better offroad performance than an upgraded suspension dr650 and able to cruise comfortably at 130 k/h. And long maintenance intervals as the dr650.

A short 1st gear is what you want when you go Off road, the absolute opposite of "pretty useless" I'd say. So that's another plus in my book

Thank you very much man for the review! 👏🔥

Mine has just arrived at the dealership. I can't wait to get on it and go and put my wheels off-road

Lucky man, super review, thanks.

Interesting machine. Nice review. Thanks.

That was quality content! Subscribed immediately. GJ 👍

I think this will dent Honda's sales figures of their cb500x /nx500 range

The GS in this great video is awesome. But the 450 looks really exciting too. I'm already looking forward to your next videos 😘

Fantastic video, looking forward for review after Asia.

what an excellent, no nonsense and informative review; i have subscribed to follow your journey with the 450MT; i am waiting for mine to arrive at the dealer....any day now i hope.

Really enjoyed your review... Keep it up 💪

ok. I subbed after two and a half minutes. This must be an English spin off channel of a pretty popular one because the quality was great. Keep up the good work!

This engine already has 3 existing variants. 450NK (Naked) 450SR (Sports) 450CLC (Cruiser) All of which has been out for more than a year.

@ianmoone6562

3 күн бұрын

New doesn't mean came out yesterday, it means new project, original engine, not borrowed from other brands.

@juanicofernandez

3 күн бұрын

@@ianmoone6562 he said “new” models coming out implying that this is the first variant for the bunch.

Good vid, you need more recognition

Nice video mate. Lovely scenery too. Will subscribe for updates😊

Thank you! Great review! Subscribed

@LukeHilby

3 күн бұрын

Grazie, Eddie

I am increasingly hearing good things about CFMoto.

So good when a new player enters the market. Looks like that KTM partnership will truly benefit the customer over the long run.

A bigger screen is available Don’t forget the important fact that the tires are tubeless ideal for off road. I like that there are OEM crash bars luggage racks and centre stand and taller seat available and accessories are quite cheap. Otherwise a great review thanks.

Voilà ! Hâte d'avoir la mienne ! Merci !

Nice video, Luke

I have been riding a CF Moto 700 CLX for 2 years now as a 2nd bike besides a big ADV bike. The bike does good. No issues, no surprises. As there is no dealership near, i do maintenance myself. The 450 seems to be just cool. I will soon do a testride.

What a awesome bike

@LukeHilby

5 күн бұрын

yes!

... I weighted my 450MT, including 10 liters fuel, short licence plate holder and screen protection foil it weights 179 kg - weighted with two person scales and values added ...

nice review

What a great video

The weight is almost 195kg wet. People have weighed it in the UK.

@davidmatthews3093

3 күн бұрын

@@nigelfisher6896Is English your first language? You don’t seem to understand a very simple post.

Ordered mine 🤙

Interesting review. Maybe at some point I will change my Himalayan but not yet.

I have the 450MT and love it although I've only had it for 1 week and done 175 kilometers on it. Here in Australia we get 2 years warranty but if you get it serviced at a CF Moto dealer then you get another year.

Great review 👍 I think with the likes of CF Moto, the biking world will be a very different place in 5 to 10 years' time.😳

I see the 450 is great for offroad use but first, I need to get there after making some 600 km. So, the question is very, very simple: Can you cruise at 130 km/h during, say, 2 hours non-stop at a reasonable engine speed (RPMs) with enough power left to, eventually, overtake? Thx!!

@MotoSly

4 күн бұрын

Yes you can. I did change to a 15tooth front sprocket, and i can cruise at 135kph all day now. And i still have enough power left.

I want one NOW.

Saw both videos you have here. I hope you keep feeding your english channel. 👍

I want one... looks like later this year for the USA

Bro 175kg fully fueled is complete wrong! 😂

@LukeHilby

5 күн бұрын

There is a lot of different information on this out there. A viewer of mine weighted his and it came to 179kg full. Not sure what is correct to be honest.

@davidjackson12

5 күн бұрын

​@@LukeHilbyi think Full is about 185kg. Hast du eigentlich auch Videos auf deutsch oder nur die übersetzten. Deine süd Europa Tour mit Camping sieht toll aus. Mache gerade den Lappen und will auch sowas machen!

@FFA_PT

4 күн бұрын

@@LukeHilby we measure here in Portugal, fully loaded is 194,8kg

@HippieHoller

4 күн бұрын

It's 195kg. 420lbs.

@ferkuzuel

4 күн бұрын

​@HippieHoller If you weight 4.6 gallons of gasoline + 2 quarts of oil + 1 quarts of antifreeze it turns out it turns out to be about 15 kg. So 190ish kg sounds about right which is still pretty good compared to it's competition

Nice review! Although this bike is around 50lbs heavier than a 390 ADV.

Riding one across China - 非常好👍

That engine is already in use with CFMoto's sports 450SR which was released last year.

Sorry it's 196 kilo with fuel not 176 !

15/45 sprockets fixes the cruising 4om and still keeps it good for offroad

Awesome review You did here Luke. With regard to the dealer network and upcoming trip You mentioned, are You planning to do service on Your own?If Yes, is it possible to get the service manual in Your country? I believe this will be a great resource to anyone thinking of getting this bike.Cheers

What is the situation with spare parts..... availability..and how long you have to wait?

I enquired at my local bike dealer about CFMOTO and the owner's reply was he doesn't sell their bikes due to availability of parts. Currently only CFMOTO quad bikes are available here in South Africa. The first two wheel bikes will only be available in October 2024. I am really interested in the 450 MT.

Best ever❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

Hi can you directly compare mt450 with ktm390 adv? which will be more universal?

I agree with your comments regarding dealership network here in the UK they are pretty sparse. I live near a major city with a KTM main dealer who doesn’t stock CF Moto so much for the partnership. The nearest dealer stocking these is about 100 miles from me which makes service and warranty trips unrealistic so no CF Moto for me currently 😢

What do you think about the QJ MOTORS SVT 650X ?

Im a mt450 owner and i agreed with ur thoughts 100% Frustrating without cruise control 😅

@karsstukov7702

4 күн бұрын

What do you mean is fustrating?that it doesn t have?

The thing keeping me away from this bike is the Suzuki DR650. If you put a better seat and bigger tank on the dr, it does everything this bike does and has as much or even more power.

Bro again nice Review ❤ but you said this is no commercialt, but at the end you said ktm/cfmoto gave you the Bike for the summer?!

@LukeHilby

5 күн бұрын

Thanks! They gave it to me as a press bike to make some more videos about it, test it extensively and do a big trip. They dont get to dictate the content, they dont pay me anything and I can say whatever I want. So no commercial :)

For your height you may want to get the higher seat. Regarding cruise control, for that bargain one cant ask such a luxury Although you can set your own cruise control device. Some owners of CF moto 450 MT have done it. I would have said that a central stand is also needed for an adventure bike, which can be bought.

Royal Enfield just lost out on a lot of sales. Their 450 looks ok in black / gold but any other version would be awful next to this. Congrats MT, now lets see if backup is acceptable and the things last without falling to pieces

@chris-s

4 күн бұрын

I would buy RE i had the bmw gs850 same Chinese crap , i had other Chinese bikes , pretty bad bikes , wiring are underdimensioneret so they burn, engine eating oil , all things rust, so no more Chinese for me

@vinjofin1972

Күн бұрын

​@@chris-s There is a video on KZread about the New RE himalayan 450 by some dude in India telling the frame of the bike cracks in half and that the QC at RE is poor. RE Himalayan 450 would be my first choice, but watching that particular video about the Himalayan I decline and buy a different brand bike.

Nice video, but in regards to mentioning the use of this engine in "future" road/sport bikes.. they already are infact were long before the introduction of the MT.. Check out the NK450 and SR450.

How about the jerky operation at low rpm...? Wasn't annoying off road on techical trails? Thanks for the review mate!! ✌️👍

@LukeHilby

Күн бұрын

Was a bit annoying but as the gearing is so short you can just select second or third gear to improve the jerkyness.

@Gee_Kay

Күн бұрын

@@LukeHilby thanks a lot. Everybody says, that it really annoying... Like the early 690's! Another think I want to ask is about the clutch! How does it feels? On trails the excess use will hold or will fail...? Thank you again!

I'm looking to downsize and get something more off-road capable, and this might just fit the bill.

Is it any good for riding 2up?

The bike is 175kg DRY!. Fully fuelled with oil and water it comes in around 197kg. The same as Honda's NX500.

@jurgenprochnow920

4 күн бұрын

yes he said it on antoher platform, was mistake by ct moto on their homepage, he corrected it but that only became apparent later

I rode one a few days ago, generally good. However, the fueling was way off, very on / off, it really needs a fix. I am surprised this was not mentioned??

@LukeHilby

Күн бұрын

Did not really have that problem. You mean the whole ride was a bit jerky?

And CF Moto built the KTM 790/890 and now all the cams in those bikes are failing one after another.

@dronepilot6512

2 күн бұрын

Yes, looking forward to hear more about van configuration and reliability. Perhaps those cams are not as sharp ast the orange ones?

I got 1200 km on my in Poland. My other ride is the Rally 300 (in Indonesia). I bought the MT450 for European style ADV rides. The short gear box is a miss, I already have installed 15t front sprocket. That helps some. The off idle fueling is not good (thx euro whatever). Yes skid plate is paper thin. The exhaust is on a loud side, I guess I am old. If you care for your bike, 10k oil changes is bull shitit. Other than that, for the price or with that low price, it's an awesome side roads adv bike.

@ibol857

5 күн бұрын

Jeśli możesz to prośba o podanie linku do oferty z wspomnianą zebatką. CF mam zamówiona ale po doświadczeniach z G310 GS wiem, że to będzie pierwsza rzecz, która wymienię a zamówiłbym już teraz :)

@pawelwolski1316

5 күн бұрын

@ibol857 JTF656 15RB. The sprocket nut is tightened a lot. I had to go to a shop and borrow an impact gun. Make sure you eliminate as much of the throttle cable slack as possible. This helps with the off idle stumble somewhat. I ordered my sprocket through the local bike shop.

@ibol857

4 күн бұрын

@@pawelwolski1316 Thank you!

@asdfghjkl1755

4 күн бұрын

This bike needs probably both front and rear sprocket change to be useful in Europe. They should have just put longer six gear to solve the problem, I don't understand the idea of having torque fast reving engine and gear rations set up so close to each other just like in sport bike. I bet first gear is not very usable as well.

@asdfghjkl1755

4 күн бұрын

Pawel how does 450MT compare co CRF in your eyes?

What I noticed is that CF Moto websites in different countries tend to list different specs about traction control. Traction control is what I want, so I look for it. Recently, I watched a KZread video about the same bike as in your video, and they said it has traction control, which contradicts what you said. I checked the CF Moto website, and there was no mention of traction control. Then, I checked another CF Moto website in a different language, and it said it has traction control, just like the video I watched earlier. Why is it so hard to have consistent specs on all CF Moto websites? And then there are KZread videos stating opposite facts.

@LukeHilby

4 күн бұрын

Hell their site even lists wrong weight in Germany 😂 But this bike has TC, it is just pretty useless with that amount of power.

@AzogDefilerFromMordor

4 күн бұрын

@@LukeHilby :) Everything seems useless until you really need or use it. For example, if there's debris on the road in a corner and you're on the throttle.

@Jonathan-ez8tq

2 күн бұрын

Traction control on a 45hp bike 😂😅do you need traction control also on your bicycle ?

@AzogDefilerFromMordor

2 күн бұрын

@@Jonathan-ez8tq no, since average cyclist can have 0.25HP power which is almost 200 times less. I probably dont need TC on 45HP bike also. But I want to. Whats your problem? Do you have an urge to be "funny"?

@dronepilot6512

2 күн бұрын

I totally agree. Went on the TET for 4.000 km with an Italian bike, with TCS on. It tractors through rocky hill climbs and makes them look easy. You switch of TCS only when in the mud!

would be nice if you could get them at the KTM dealer... Now the real question is do i want the CFmoto 450 or the KTM 790...

WHERE TF IS THIS PLACE at the end? omg i want to go there!

Great review, it really does sound like the unicorn bike that so many have been waiting for. Japan is asleep at the wheel pumping out ancient DR650s and XR650Ls, Europe is happy to make bank on their upscale models, so China sees an opening and takes advantage. I am not worried about Chinese quality, but I'd rather not buy from an authoritarian geopolitical adversary. But damn if it's not tempting. Japan inc better get their act together soon!

Compering this to a new Himalayan?

Crf300 rally kills it

how does your CFMoto MT450 compare to your Himalayan 411?

@LukeHilby

Күн бұрын

Much more power, weight is similar, much smoother operation, much better brakes. Overall I think the better bike but seat height is higher.

I am looking at this bike to replace a 21’ cb500x. Anyone compared them both ? It seems to be a bit lighter, similar power but with a much better suspension which is my complaint with the Honda

For the price, the bike seems impressive. I agree it needs cruise control, big miss.

Übersetzung scheint mir laut deinem Bericht ja viel zu kurz gewählt zu sein🤔. Fährst im zweiten an und 120 kurz vorm roten Bereich... und damit dauerhaft Autobahn? Macht der Motor bestimmt nicht lange mit🤔

Correction: brakes are from J. Juan, not Brembo.

@watb8689

2 күн бұрын

they are just licensed copy for China marketand the asian market

how is the fuel consumption? thanks

@LukeHilby

4 күн бұрын

About 4l/100km

you guys don't have deer that run out in front of vehicles there?

An interesting report but I really don’t understand the attraction of cruise control or highway (sic) riding for that matter.

@burddog0792

3 күн бұрын

Sometimes you just need to eat big miles, especially in America. CC makes it much more bearable. No one is riding freeways because they're fun.

here goes the sub

Thanks for such a wonderful, informative video. I have a few questions, so if you don’t mind please.. How is the build quality? The plastic used. Any vibration issue? How about the heating, was there any? It’s a dual cylinder I believe, how was the thrust? As compared to Nx 500 or Himalayan 450, how do you judge it?

If i could magically trade my own "adv" for th CFmoto right now..... I'd be DAMN TEMPTED. ...... sigh...... But, my own is still reliable - - - - and even not without moments of sheer excitement, LoL - - - - and so i sally forth, for the time being.. But dare i dream? U bet! And your descriptive nouns : "shenanigans"..... Lov it 😂

I'm not for China here but I'd call a spade a spade. Whenever someone said disparaging things about Made in China stuff, I'd point out that there are only 3 countries running their own space stations: US, Russia and China. That said, between the MT450 and RE Himalayan, I'd probably pick this one.

I think most people assume KTMs will break down in the first 10 minutes, mainly because they do. OTOH The Chinese? I think they know how to build things.

Is this your new English Channel?

@LukeHilby

4 күн бұрын

International viewers constantly suggested doing the videos in English as well so I'll give it a shot and see if it is worth the additional work.

It's not xenophobic to be skeptical of Chinese bikes. Any manufacturer using factories over there for their bikes Also have quality control after to insure the Chinese built it right.

It seems that there's already and ECU upgrade for this bike...

What about the himalayan 450 against the mt??

@chris-s

4 күн бұрын

Himalayan much better bike no plastic

KTM need to chuck that motor in a lighter setup with more travel and better suspension and some quality billet gear leavers, brake leavers and tripple clamps etc.

@burddog0792

3 күн бұрын

KTM version of this with TBW and a rally fuel tank would be great. It would have to slot in between the 390 and 790 though so don't expect top shelf components.

A simple Google says 175 is Dry Weight.

16 tooth on the front you lower 1k rpms at 100 and 120

no way to have cruise controll without drive by wire

It looks a lot like my Honda CB500X :)

Too bad in NL not €6999 but €7899 something like that

ABS switch needs to turn off both FRONT and rear (not just rear) for safe off road riding. To be fair, most manufacturers also do this ... a failing for sure

@dronepilot6512

2 күн бұрын

Not true. With abs left on in the gron I can brake just as hard or even harder in dirt. I own a EU enduro bike without ABS so know what is available and the behaviour.

@andrew390

Күн бұрын

@dronepilot6512 yes true. Front ABS off on steep decending slippery (like gravel) surface is safest. Once your front ABS activates in these situations, you are then unable to control your decent.

Ok the weigjt is not correct more like 200 fullu fuelled. I have versys 300 whent to try the 450 and, meh not so impressive. Funny ergonomics the saddle is to low comoared to the pegs and bar. Will not upgrade.

Many of the issues that the first journalists have mentioned about this bike on their first rides, can be solved by leaving the bike exactly as it is, but sticking a Husqvarna sticker on top of CFMoto's branding. That's it,

If the BMW 800/900GS is the 'mid range' as the 310 has to be the entry point then they are not made in china. Only the 310 is.

@LukeHilby

Күн бұрын

Afaik they build the engines of the 800&900 in China.

@Trevelyan1971

Күн бұрын

@@LukeHilby Made in Austria, 'assembled' in Berlin.