I'm keeping it going for one additional month to see if the detail spray did anything. Stay tuned!

@exploranator

2 жыл бұрын

I repeat: the most scientifically accurate but visually rapid test of hydrophobicity is to expose the panel to a source of steam/ultra fine mist (such as in a bathroom with the hot shower running) and see which panel has the smallest microdroplets on it. The most "foggy" looking panel is the winner. The drippiest or easiest to see a reflection of yourself is the loser. Small drops equals high hydrophobicity, large drops equals lower hydrophobicity.

That clay bar cleaning was very impressive. I just wonder how much the instant detail spray had to do with it though.

@ScottHD

3 жыл бұрын

Not 100% sure, but that's why I'll keep it going one more month to be sure.

@ninetres187

3 жыл бұрын

This is what I was thinking. It’s possible the QD has some sort of protectant in it. Maybe do a quick foam wash after the clay step going forward to eliminate the variable the clay lube of choice presents.

@MarylandDevin

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe panel prep spray to remove any oils from lube

@handymadness

3 жыл бұрын

My guess is allot.

@exploranator

2 жыл бұрын

@@ScottHD Each panel had the same stuff sprayed on it and the same clay bar, so it will be interesting to see how the differences stack up against time.

This miniseries turned out to be a maxi series. Great effort Scott! Meguiar’s products are not as sexy in the marketplace as some others but their performance-value surprises quite often.

Thanks Scott for all your hard work.

Love to see these updates. Thanks, Scott.

Nice job Scott !! We have been waiting patiently for this one. Thanks for all you do. 🙏

Awesome .. Thank You for such an impressive comparison.

Great review been watching for the complete 2 yrs 🇱🇷👍

Thank you for doing this!!! This review is much better than those in Amazon. 🙏

Thank you for these tests! Good trade: us waiting a little bit longer for update videos, for you enjoying epic vacation!

Detail spray used with the clay bar definitely had an impact. This was an awesome series Scott, thank you so much for all your efforts.

Awesome effort there. Thank you for your videos

I put cquartz on wife's car about 15 months ago and it's still doing its job even though I have not maintained it properly. I think with the right topper or ceramic booster and it should last at least 3 years. Very happy with the results thus far.

I recommend this a while ago, and this is why. I have to do this yearly in Minnesota to customers vehicles due to salt and pollen which just clogs the coatings up. Thanks for the great simple and no bull reviews.

Definitely staying for the next video. I recently started buffing and went and watched multiple of your tests on the coating. Decided to go with the nano bond 9h for price and availability and i must say i am super impressed. Going to finish the car tonight! Can’t wait

Thank you for doing this for us really appreciate it it takes a lot of time just to do this I love u❤️❤️🤞🏻

The quick detailer most likely have ingredients that will make the surface hydrophobic. For the next test, I would suggest using a nanoskin decon sponge with ONR or better yet, McKee's 37 N-914 as a clay lube. There should be no heavy contamination that requires claying on there since you are not driving these hoods so no road film or heavy iron contaminants. I am guessing you have a lot of water spotting on them besides the little bit of iron, so doing iron decon and a water spot remover would be my suggestion. Great to watch these tests, made me change some of the products I was using. Thanks Scott!

@rockhills

2 жыл бұрын

I used to use that Mother's instant detailer years ago. It definitely has something as descriptions say things like hides minor imperfections and spider webbing, adds depth and clarity, etc

Excellent work there.

Killing it in these tests.

What a surprising result with the clay bar! You gotta keep this going. Would be cool to see how the paint looks up close once it's cleaned and dried. Do you notice a difference between the early failures and the ones still running strong?

Did you notice any of these fighting off water spots better than others? Thanks again Scott. Been an awesome 2 years of following

Great work. 👍

Nice job on decon wash, very surprising. I think if we use the car shampoo (snow foam) as a clay lube instead of the detail spray we wont have to worry about if we're introducing any new chemicals that may give us hydrophobic attributes. Also welcome back from vacation!

Wow, did not expect that result after the decon

Thanks you!

looks like the detailer didn't do much because the hydrophobics aren't consistent but not 100% sure try using the soap as a clay lube next time

thank you for sharing !

I love your videos. I watch these regularly. If I may make a suggestion. I would love to so see you make a best of video or a top 3/5 list. Giving out titles of best of in each category. They can scored different ways like cost, ease of application, gloss, life span. etc. top 5 spray coating Top 5 full blown coating Top 5 professional coating

ALL HAIL SCOTT HD! 🙌

I did hold out on the IGL wax, hope it doesn't change in a month. Thanx.

Wow..this just blew away...results from the clay...abrasive...wake up coatings

Try rub Water spot remover thoroughly it should bring back the coatings igl delete is good for it. And use the wash soap as your clay lube to avoid any wax or sealant that might be in the detail spray. Love the updates

@Scott HD Excellent series, really appreciate all the work you put into these. I sent these videos to my friends and after one asked me what happens when the coating "wears out" (does it chip/flake off? does it leave any weird residual artifacts? etc), I was left with so many questions of my own. How does the product fail in the first place? It no longer adheres to the substrate (clear coat or ppf), and particles of it break/wear off? I assume the breakdown of hydrophobic properties comes from a degradation of the surface finish, ie. it's now slightly rough due to voids/defects vs being much closer to "perfectly smooth" when the coating is fresh. This allows the coating to be "revived" with a booster spray by filling in the voids? 1) If you were to re-coat this panel, what would the process look like? Is there still residual coating left even on the squares that have failed that needs to be removed before reapplying? 2) Would the process change if you were going to reapply the same coating in a given square vs apply a different coating over the original? 3) Chemical removal vs mechanical removal? 4) If using mechanical removal methods, how do you tell when the coating is removed with minimal removal of the substrate? Can the coating be measured with a paint thickness gauge? 5) Do you notice certain areas on cars where the coating tends to wear out sooner, or does the entire coating tend to wear uniformly? Sorry for so many questions, I'm just trying to understand how these coatings work on a micro scale. I've found it very difficult to find any scientific information on detailing products and practices. However, there is no shortage of marketing material!

Awesome idea for tests. Maybe use the snow foam as a lube next time for the clay?

Great informative video as always Scott! Question, I’ve never had much experience with decon / iron remover, always just clay barred. How harsh is it on the clear coat / paint? Safe to use? Is it a good prior step to clay bar? Thanks in advance, keep up the great work!

That’s awesome

My thoughts are, the Mother's has some type of chemical to promote some type of protectant. When I clay, I use soap only, no chemicals, because I will be polishing & waxing afterwards.

Hi Scott. Another very informative video. Thank you for all your hard work. I'd like to toss in 3 thoughts for consideration on future tests... 1) No wash instant detailers. These claim to rejuvenate hydrophobics and protection with just a spray & wipe. 2) Tire dressings. Do any tire treatments keep tires shiney and clean looking without throwing goo down the sides of the vehicle? Do any keep a finish more then a few days? 3) Glass coatings. Will any keep windshields clean and hydrophobic for any length of time? Are any easier or harder to apply without smearing? RainX vs NuFinish vs ceramic sprays...? Thanks for your consideration. I always enjoy learning from your videos 👍

Can’t wait for the update lol

I personally use the nanobond and for the price. I don't think I've seen any better especially how crazy the nano bond can help a poorly maintained vehicle.

Great comparison! Did you top CP 9h with CP Top Coat? It's designed as a base coat/top coat system like IGL Kenzo and I the Top Coat is where the Hydrophobic properties come from.

Great video as always! Thank you! The first thing I thought was it has to be the clay lube that "seemed" to bring the failed ones back. The proof in the pudding as they say for ME is... just a simple wash with something like CarPro Reset and skip the iron decon and clay. Someone I know who recently got out of detailing has a friend that does Xpel Fusion and Car Pro Classic and he's pushing me to go with Xpel with a 4 year warranty. I haven't seen much on Xpel and I don't put much stock in warranties. I've done personal cars in CarPro UK 3.0, but I don't have the time anymore. My local professional options are... Xpel, CarPro Classic, IGL, or Ceramic Pro. What would YOU go with? Thanks!

That detail spray has protection in it. You should use nanoskin glide next time

@ScottHD

3 жыл бұрын

Going to run it one more month to check before I reuse it for another test

I didnt know you were a motorcycle rider...I have a couple of bike detail vids. Im a rider too, certified "saddlesore 1000" on my Dragster RR...video inside...

If the clay lube did add any hydrophobicity, one would think it would have affected the entire panel, not only certain products. But you never know for certain.

@rickw.9298

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

@valeriegould1769

3 жыл бұрын

Agree completely.

Awesomee

Nice test. Wouldn't the clay create slight swirl marks? Then what would you do to correct them on your ceramic coating?

Scott, the iron reaction is quite intense and concentrated at the bottom right of the panel. Is it more likely that there is an exposed rusted section of the panel causing this reaction as opposed to a buildup of contamination?

I'll keep using my old trusty Aquawax once or twice a month. I buy it by the gallon.

Would be interesting to do two panels at the same time of all tests to see if results are same.

I think the detail spray is what made them hydrophobic again.

Doctor: I'm sorry, you only have a few weeks to live. Me: Sorry, Doc, we're only half way through Scott's 2 year test, I've got to hang on at least another year to see who wins!

Decon and clay was like coffee soft the coatings lol. Nano Bond FTW 😅

Kindly try sensha

Scott. How do you like the Meguiars iron decon to others on the market. is it worth the price

Can you use something for mineral contamination? Usually mineral contamination reduce hydrofobic. Iron or tar contamination is less "dangerous" for coat.

Thanks Scott! For the final show of the series can you also add the price and if it is either (P)ro or (R)etail on the 9:43 grid?

@ScottHD

3 жыл бұрын

I can do that!

I search a long tasting, easy application, shiny wax, what would you recommend for me? I am a hobby detailer. Gyeon wax q2 or meguiars ultimate quick wax or turtle wax graphene spray wax or what other?thanks ❤❤

What snow foam.cannon an how do you run straight soap threw the cannon just soap an that's it new to the foam cannon

Thanks for the updates. I have Xpel Fusion coating installed on my car, and given it is a fairly new product I wasn't sure how well it would perform.

@BlackHawkPSU

3 жыл бұрын

Xpel is a local option for me, but as you said it's new and I'm unsure of it. What is your opinion so far? Thanks!

@ludak83

3 жыл бұрын

@@BlackHawkPSU I think it is fine. I have used toppers extensively whenever I would wash my car, so I cannot really speak of its durability, but this review clearly shows it will outlast most of other stuff. When it comes to looks of it, I think like anything else it looks great for the first few months, and then eventually improper washing technique, bird drops, bugs and rain will cause it to not looks so flashy anymore. Especially if you do not have a garage. Impo, I think that ceramic coatings for the cost are not really worth it especially when there are products for less than $30 that can provide more gloss and slickness. They do not last as long, but they are way easier to apply. Even pro detailers say that the paint correction is the main reason why your paint looks good and not the coating.

@BlackHawkPSU

3 жыл бұрын

@@ludak83 Thanks for the reply! Without a doubt correction is the key... People would always come up to me and say "WOW what kind of wax do you use? Your car looks so good!" My reply... it's not the wax, it's everything I did BEFORE applying it. Xpel... Going strictly on this video it does appear it's holding up well. In my experience a coating will last MAYBE 2 years, possibly longer under ideal conditions and care. With that said I have to say I'm pleasantly surprised with the Xpel at least in this video. My experience with coatings is strictly with CarPro products. In recent times I also wonder if it's worth going with a coating. How long have you had Xpel Fusion on your vehicle? Thanks!

@ludak83

3 жыл бұрын

@@BlackHawkPSU Since January of 2019. I had xpel ppf instslled on the front end, and xpel fusion coating on the entire car. My impression was that hydrophobic properties on the ppf got weaker after few months. I installed Kamikaze Miyabi, ISM and Zipang on other cars, and I think that the gloss was better with Xpel fusion, but again my car was professionally corrected and other cars were not.

I imagine a strong strip wash to get any built up oil off would restore most of the true coatings. That PH neutral soap isn't doing much of anything save taking off the dirt.

Ceramic Pro advertises themselves as lifelong, and looks weaker then Cquartz that's only advertised as 2year. Love to see it

Can you add Modesta products to your future tests?

Is nano bond worth buying

Would you suggest if a coating is failing to revive it or try to by claying? Are we masking failures when using toppers during maintenance washes. Just curious.

@matty1614

3 жыл бұрын

If a coating needs a topper often, find a new coating

What kind of clay lube were you using because some clay lube are instant detailer’s that have some form of Carnauba in it. This is why I use car soap diluted 1:30 for lubricity so there isn’t much of a fight when I do the IPA wipe down

@ScottHD

3 жыл бұрын

It's shown in the video there, but mothers clay lube/detail spray that comes in their $20 kit with two clay bars at most retailers.

What did you use as a clay lube? I know people use the instant detailer‘s that come with some of the kits which has some form of carnuba wax in it which is why I use diluted car soap for lubrication whenever I am mechanically decontaminating the vehicles paint

@snail415

3 жыл бұрын

Xtreme Solutions makes an excellent clay lube.

@usagimoto1423

3 жыл бұрын

@@snail415 they probably do but to order more products when I can use what I have just seems more easier.

how did you apply the Megs hybrid ceramic? wet or dry?

@ScottHD

2 жыл бұрын

This was a "damp" application...but on later videos I did do wet and dry. Dry is more difficult, but does seem to last longer.

Would the instant detailer leave hydrophobics behind as residue which would explain the "revival" of hydrophobics on the panel?

@ScottHD

3 жыл бұрын

Possible but why only some and not all of them revived?

@YannickKhong

3 жыл бұрын

@@ScottHD residues didn't bond enough with surface. Some of the dead ones might have gotten contaminated too :)

You have a base for some really good tests. But spraying a layer of protection with the clay is literally ridiculously inaccurate for testing. Why?

Mothers 08216 California Gold Instant Detailer Treat your paint to a showroom sparkle that’s wet and striking. Whether you want to clear a layer of dust or prepare for the judges, use California Gold Instant Detailer. Its unique formula will clean off fingerprints, smudges and dust, and hide minor imperfections and spider-webbing. Showtime is designed with color enhancers and shine fortifiers, ready whenever you need your ride to look freshly detailed. The instant detailer is what caused alot of the changes as you can see from the description it has a wax or something added to it.

@derek723

3 жыл бұрын

You would think that would cause all of the panels to come back to life though no? I think this test shows that ceramic coatings with 5+ year durability claims are no good. After clay barring, you typically always follow up with a light polish at the very least. Obviously with a ceramic coating you can't follow up with polishing

@urbanedgeautodetailing

3 жыл бұрын

@@derek723 Your claim "Obviously with a ceramic coating you can't follow up with polishing" is untrue as there are polishes designed specifically for the polishing of coatings like Carpro Essence and Essence+ Essence+ is designed to fill light scuffs and swirls while Essence will actually remove them, but Essence is more of a prep polish before applying a coating or adding another layer to your existing coating. P&S Envy is also a great product for this process.

@derek723

3 жыл бұрын

@@urbanedgeautodetailing Essence+ is just like any filler/glaze that's only going to last for so long. It doesn't have abrasives to do true correction, and therefore shouldn't be considered a polish. In a perfect world, Scott would have done a 50/50 showing the effect of both a water spot remover and the clay bar in each section, but that would've been a lot of work. Even still, while a water spot remover isn't as abrasive as a clay bar, I'm all set with having to use any of these acid based products just to remove water spots for the following reasons: 1) You have to tape off any glass before you water spot removal as acid + glass don't get along 2) Taking the "correct" safety precautions to properly handle acid based products is a pain and personally not worth my time (eye protection, skin protection, respiratory protection) 3) While companies say acid based products don't harm the longevity of their coatings, I remain skeptical until I test those claims

@urbanedgeautodetailing

3 жыл бұрын

@@derek723 If you re-read my comment I also added Essence as is it a true polish. The level of correction with Essence is pad dependent. I also stayed that Essence+ is for filling in scuffs and swirls not removing them. Also P&S Envy is another good option for polishing a coated vehicle. With the proper techniques pads and products ANYTHING can be polished, coated or not. In my 20+ year detailing career I have been told that textured plastics can't be polished, only dressed. I have been polishing textured plastics for close to 15 years.

@derek723

3 жыл бұрын

@@urbanedgeautodetailing I sort of disregarded Essence and Envy as you shouldn't be polishing a ceramic coating. That's how you remove a ceramic coating haha

Scott what u feel is the best spray wax for a black car? Seems everything I use streaks

@ScottHD

3 жыл бұрын

Are you applying it in direct sunlight or on a warm/hot surface? Griots 3 in 1 seems to be a good option!

@josephpuzzo1

3 жыл бұрын

@@ScottHD no allwqys shade..thanks I will try the 3 in 1!

Not sponsored👌

@ScottHD

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

The clay bar idea was good but in real life, you won’t do clay bar work on a ceramic coating without marring so I don’t see the point as all I would then have to do is apply a product like CarPro Essence plus to “mask” the marring and the effect of the coating underneath

Hey I just want to say that I enjoy your testing methods. I know a lot of people discredit it but if a product can’t make it 30 days in the elements without driving, how the hell is it supposed to last on a daily driver!

@ScottHD

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

A water spot remover would have been a good decon tool... every single section is badly water spotted..

Turtle wax!!!!!

Scott, which of these winners(non pro) is the easiest to apply?

@ScottHD

3 жыл бұрын

I would check out Nano Bond. Cheap, easy to use, and lasts.

@ScottHD

3 жыл бұрын

Cquartz UK 3.0 is great but a little more fussy in a hot or humid environment for applying it.

@SERI0USWEAP0N

3 жыл бұрын

Happy Friday, Scott🍻 I'm afraid to try nanobond bc of what you said about the consistency.

@ScottHD

3 жыл бұрын

@@SERI0USWEAP0N I would have to agree, that being said, I do also have it in my 38 way test and 41 way test and it seems to be doing great there too.

@SERI0USWEAP0N

3 жыл бұрын

@@ScottHD Taking a chance with Nanobond from AMZ 🤞🏼🤞🏼

Lol there is 1 unlike I guess that certain someone has a lot more free time on there hands lmao

As of now you have one thumbs down Pan must be trolling ya

The mere presence of a “coating” on a surface (after xx number of months) does not mean the entire vehicle looks great and stain-free. It might already be infested by lots of marring, all types of residual stains and hardwater mark etching that could not be washed away. The vehicle no longer looks nice, although there are some indications of water beading (unrelated to aesthetics).

Using the detail spray just contaminated your whole panel so this test is over. Any detail spray will introduce hydrophobic properties onto the paint. None of the coatings came back at all...period. It was only the result of the detail spray you used when you clayed the panel. Scott don't you know what detail spray does to a finish....makes it hydrophobic. You know now.