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@billyboybarton

2 жыл бұрын

Thst was fantastic .

@AnnabelleJARankin

2 жыл бұрын

Curtailing free speech is probably the most childish and petulant thing that can be done - it's like a kid in a temper tantrum covering their ears and saying 'La la la la la'.

Always thought the mechanics of cancel culture are similar to how high school girls sort out dominance.

@marty9011

2 жыл бұрын

Bullying in other words.

@zeno2501

2 жыл бұрын

It will continue to emerge through discussions such as this the uncomfortable reality that the fractious behaviours we see creating so much political tension and division across western society can be broadly categorised as feminine and female. Whether or not anyone states this publicly or it becomes conventional wisdom among any number of people is besides the point. It is becoming increasingly clear that our culture has become feminised to a point of imbalance. Single parent families, feminised education systems, and feminist theory (among many other factors) have created a society absent of anything Stoic, anti-fragile, disciplined and rational. We are all behaving like high school girls who have never been told no. JBP comes close to this diagnosis when he describes female aggression and toxic femininity as gossip, reputation destruction, and innuendo. All of which are amplified perfectly by social media. Pay attention and you'll begin to clearly recognise that these behaviours characterise much of this political division. I am not blaming any individuals or making any judgement beyond the observation but it is an uncomfortable reality to face that our societies have fallen into this behaviour 100 years since women were given the vote, and that it has accelerated during the decades of political feminism and women occupying many positions of cultural influence. "Masculine republics give way to feminised democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." Aristotle.

@tommyrotton9468

2 жыл бұрын

I watched a short interview with a Labour Unionist who said quite simple in the 70/80's they couldn't get communist message across but they found out the could picket and prevent others saying what they wanted to say. So the activists started cancel speech projects to dominate the narrative.

@K-j2024

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly like.

@trueleo7893

2 жыл бұрын

@@zeno2501 bravo Steve. We need to stand up to this abhorrent way of thinking, living. Triple down.

When KK introduces himself, it sounds like he says, "I'm constantly kissing".

@SR-mv2mf

2 жыл бұрын

Lol I literally thought the same

@trueleo7893

2 жыл бұрын

🤣 since day one!

@virginiacharlotte7007

2 жыл бұрын

And now his wife is pregnant…

@Ikebald

2 жыл бұрын

That's just wishful thinking on your part.

@robnmikehawke8967

2 жыл бұрын

And I now can't unhear this. Topkek

So true, Jordan frequently misunderstood. I'm a woman. I think for myself. I embrace historical fact, actual statistics(!), balanced analysis and personal responsibility. Jordan represents the truth. Great interview, will seek out your books👍

@zillie8167

2 жыл бұрын

" I embrace historical fact, actual statistics(!), balanced analysis and personal responsibility" - Yes, yes, yes and yes. From another woman who thinks for herself

Really, really enjoyed this interview. A lot of sense was talked, sobering but uplifting as well

@athrunzala6919

2 жыл бұрын

A lot makes sense here

This could potentially be one of the most important conversations we've had in recent times. Too bad we're afraid to have it.

Totally agree what you say about Jordan Peterson...as a woman, love him. He simply advocates for the most part what makes sense. Of course meritocracy makes sense.

@pamelarobertsonhouston5031

2 жыл бұрын

Totally concur. Also a big JBP fan, also a woman.

@beckyenglish4783

2 жыл бұрын

Woman here - agree wholeheartedly.

@bioliv1

2 жыл бұрын

No, no, meritocracy makes no sense, only the InGroup-Democracy of human ecologist Terje Bongard from Norway. Every man should have an equal voice!

Absolutely fascinating. This interview confirms for me something fundamental that underpins so many of our modern ills, and that is we try to ignore biology and innate drivers. It seems "society" thinks we've either evolved out of or out-thought these, when they are basically omnipresent in everything we do; they just create different forms of behaviour depending on the era or circumstance.

I'm a Jamaican black woman and I was going through some things ..... Still going through it and his talks has helped me so I was equally shocked at ppl's reaction to him

I absolutely adored this show. I haven’t read any of this gentleman’s books, which I shall now remedy. Absolutely fascinating conversation which made perfect sense and indeed enabled some thoughts I’d been having for a while to make necessary connections. Well worth anyone’s time. Thanks Will. Thanks lads. 🙏🏼

@sebastiandangerfield9462

2 жыл бұрын

I think you make a really interesting point - that sometimes when you hear something it allows you to process thoughts you’ve already been having, and you think “oh that’s why I thought that” or increasing often “that’s why that didn’t seem right...”

Cancel Culture isnt just stifling someone's free speech, it's a personalised attack and often destruction of someone's livelihood. I have noticed a recent trend of the Left, not for the first time, appropriate a term and change its meaning to suite them. Often using the word for one of their own who is merely having their opinion robustly challenged in public forums. I recommend Quillettes book 'Panics and Persecutions' as an example of what cancel culture is and can do to people.

@victorcates9330

2 жыл бұрын

In terms of contrast, it's worth comparing with other status games. In a village, gossip might be used as a tool of control, but chances are that the people know you well enough to actually care about your welfare. With a religious status game, religion may well contain some small notion of fallibility/forgiveness/redemption/grace. Now onto Cancel Culture. An online mob has no interest in your welfare and has no obligation to engage in self reflection, process or offer someone a path back. It can rain fire on people and routinely justifies a notion of "You back down or we'll impoverish and humiliate anyone who knows you". If you own a business and express an unpopular opinion, people will try to destroy you. If they succeed and you have to let your employees go, the mob will say to themselves "I did a good thing". It's a public theatre of political intimidation. A further denial about the nature of cancel culture is that the left used to observe that online bullying had lead to very predictable suicides. If those are foreseeably the stakes, it's difficult to risk destroying someone in the name of appointing yourself the empathy police.

@ILoveHockeyAndSo

2 жыл бұрын

cancel culture spreads within all factions: left, conservative, right politics.

Just finished ‘Selfie’. Amazing book! Thanks Will. 🙏

Another fantastic interview! Thanks to all!

Really great interview. Some of the most interesting insights I have heard in years.

I have enjoyed this incredible interview!

Very valuable and interesting interview. I would agree with most of the things mentioned in this podcast.

I've watched a lot of Triggernometry lately and this brilliant interview ties together so many other things I've watched but probably didn't fully understand. Instantly bought "The Status Game" and am really looking forward to reading it.

33:00 What he is saying here is my biggest concern with all this diveristy inclusion/ CRT stuff. What happens to all these little white boys who have been told over and over that they are inherently wicked based soley on the color of their skin. I am deeply concerned that this will create a generation of angry racist men justifiably pissed at the world for treating them like crap. You tell a person over and over that they are bad, and eventually some will internalize that and start to act on it.

@YautjaHunter3

2 жыл бұрын

@emerald Yes, that me in teh picture

@YautjaHunter3

2 жыл бұрын

@emerald I'm from the south, I grew up hearing horror stories about the crap my family had to put up with during segragation. I dont wish that on anyone. It's insane to me that so many people today want to punish mordern people for things that happened before most people under 30 were even born. The past is the past, we should study it, learn from and it, and try to be better. Not circle back for revenge over and over. Look at any society on the planet where people obsess over historical wrongs and you will see a failed, failing or outright backward societies contributing little to nothing to mankind.

this is a really good interview!

Cracking interview

This is the best interview I have ever seen - This explains so much of what is going on in the world

I never thought of this is terms of status, but the best advise my mother ever gave me was that you can not be helpful and helpless at the same time--so if you feel helpless, look for ways to be helpful. After this interview, I realize that the reason her advise worked all these years is that is gets you to change your game!

Great interviewee.

One of your best podcast lads!

“The human brain is a complex organ with the wonderful power of enabling man to find reasons for continuing to believe whatever it is that he wants to believe.” ―Voltaire

Outstanding work Triggernometry outstanding.

Brilliant interview

Great discussion. Thank you.

Really really good. Thanks guys.

Facinating discussion. Thank you.

Incredible stuff and very motivating. 👍

I'm so glad he explained cancel culture. After loosely tuning in and out of Triggernometry for a year or so, I really needed yet another explanation of cancel culture. Tackling all the important issues are these boys. Hopefully they do something about the controversial pedestrianisation of Norwich town centre before too long.

I don't think the MRA's are anything to worry about. Men's RIGHTS are a completely legitimate concern, and their recognition would simply contribute to a more equal society and PREVENT the further building of a critical mass of dispossessed, desperate men, giving up on society completely. If "The Purge" does become real life, I for one will be going to my grave knowing we entirely brought it on ourselves.

Absolutely brilliant, fascinating, book purchased 🙏😁👏🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

You weren’t wrong lads , this was a great interview 👍✌️

'Virtue Signal' is an oxymoron. Actual Virtue doesn't announce itself.

They're always good but this interview was particularly interesting. Great stuff 👏

I like this a lot- will Storr I just bought your book!

When hes talking about humiliation and terror groups we use humiliation to embarrass people out of "bad behaviour". Howver if we go too far with someone with an especially fragile ego this could be dangerous to play with. If you mock someones deeply held beliefs on things or about themselves it could cause a volatile reaction. Much like how those deluded people on XFactor and Britians Got Talent flip out because their parents led them to think they were more amazing than they are.

@Ragnarok6664

2 жыл бұрын

Aye

I just recently read Will Storr vs The Supernatural and really enjoyed it. I liked how open minded he was, yet still not gullible. Will have a look at some of his other stuff.

I definitely agree with the theory this man is drawing attention to. We need to be paying more attention to this.

I am in my late forties. Gen x here. I don’t relate to cancel culture at all. This was an enlightening well rounded conversation. Thank you for it.

@DarkAngel2512

Жыл бұрын

Xennial. Early 40s. I dont relate to it either.

What an interesting person Will is. Great show

This interview was very...Tight!

HAAAA!!! I got the joke of his book cover when Konstantin held it up the last time. 😆Initially I knew it was weird but didn't get it.

I remember reading this guys book about the paranormal. It was very interesting, good to see hes still writing

I’m absolutely blown away by Will’s truth seeking mind, he’s such an explorer, an observer. A true journalist

This is very important. Anxiety can be thought of as fear of loss of status.

Some popular singer said that in old Hollywood it was obvious that if some singer would sing even better than Sinatra, the management would come to him, as soon as possible make a contract, and pay big money, before someone else would make a contract with him to make him famous. and tell to him to never perform so people will never hear the guy because the king can be only one. Or if there were 50 singers who are like Elvis and one of them was better than Elvis singing better dancing better. The management would buy him, so he will never be heard by any audience because it's a shallow way to convince the public that King is only one, and its an interesting tricky way of business itself to gain millions. Because they invest so much money in Elvis that they can not afford to have some other singer, who is better. So maybe at that time cancel culture did exist globally but it existed only behind people´s backs, made by some individuals, who had money. He is probably right. It's like Nike is just the best merchandise. Nobody is better than them except Adidas. But nobody else is supposed to be as corporate as them. I was always wondering why we never hear the singers of the American Idol. Why they didn't become famous if they are so good, or just few of them were a little bit famous and made a CD recording. So maybe the public is tired of manipulation so they made a cancel culture because they changed their opinion about famous people. People started to realize that television is as fake as it gets, just to buy their products, without conscious thinking. They convince you that its not on you to choose what product you want but they choose it for you. Then they blame people if they stop caring about culture. But people should have their own values.

Cheers gents, there's some fascinating concepts to think about.

I love the concept of competing on competence

I don't need to watch this, as I already understand it, but good work on hosting this conversation for anyone who does need it explained to them... Looking forward to more RAW BIGOTRY!!!!

Definitely one of the better recent interviews. Nice job.

Very interesting take.

Really good 👍

Really enjoyed this insightful interview. I worry for my nephews who are decent young men, bewildered by the response a lot of the way their female counterparts hand out to them. The lads are really thoughtful and considerate , up with the current think but not buying into a lot of the victim stuff. The persecution of white men is utterly counter productive and asinine.

It would be great to get Will and Jordan Peterson on the show together.

@watchiingunow618

2 жыл бұрын

Jordan Petersen would eat him alive.

@stephenpotts832

2 жыл бұрын

@@watchiingunow618 JP is on a different level, but I would be fascinated to see he validated what Will Storr says. I suspect that he would. JP is at his best when engaging with intelligent people. It would be great to see these two together.

@watchiingunow618

2 жыл бұрын

@@stephenpotts832 Its just I don't rate this guy. He seems a bit one dimensional and limited.

@stephenpotts832

2 жыл бұрын

It is the first time that I have come across him

@watchiingunow618

2 жыл бұрын

@@stephenpotts832 He writes for the Guardian :-|

Great conversation. My wife showed me your channel and I'm liking it very much. I'd love to see someone like Glenn Greenwald or Slavoj Zizek interviewed. It'd be fun.

@MrTwister3356

2 жыл бұрын

The recent Glenn Greenwald interview.....kzread.info/dash/bejne/oWl9qdytZNXgfbw.html&ab_channel=Triggernometry

The PMRC inadvertently helped promote and create ghansta rap, because people found that albums with the explicit lyrics warning label sold so much better than ones without, they all started competing to be more and more explicit. Just one of many examples of how people react to oppression every time. Which is what the cancellation crowd don’t get is that they’re creating a sort of ghansta anti politically correct person who not only are becoming impervious to being canceled, they’re starting to welcome it.

Hmm. Every time I hear talk about “punching up” or “punching down” I just think… it doesn’t really matter which direction, the simple fact that you’ve resorted to punching says more about you than whoever your punches are aimed at.

@rayF4rio

2 жыл бұрын

I think that term indicates just how much we've been beaten down into believing that words are violence. Words are not violence, words are how we communicate our thoughts. Only once an action in taken, might it be actual violence. Don't fall into the words are violence trap. It's only meant to shut you up.

@lasttango7522

2 жыл бұрын

@@rayF4rio Well said. Although I enjoyed this interview this guy seemed to cover his arse by constantly pushing he is left wing. He bloody knows the left wing trash will not hunt him down. I find him shallow and cowadice. Not impressed with his push and banging on about his politics.

@DarkAngel2512

Жыл бұрын

@@lasttango7522 or he is sticking up for us normal lefties. And showing right-wingers we're not all nutjobs.

This interview has made me look inwards.

Loved the add for Premier Pro 😂

Brilliant interview. Great writer too, I'll definitely get his latest book.

this show is the GOAT

KZread even canceled the “dislike” button SMFH

brilliant

Regarding Bill Hicks late on Channel 4.... Snap Revelations. It was all we talked about in school the next day. "We got ourselves a reader!"

Brilliant interview lads; one question I was really hoping you'd have explored - If the Modern Age is the age of competence games over virtue games, what is the relationship between the Left's rejection of competence in favour of virtue and their rejection of modernity* as white colonialism? Essentially, their world view is either the cause of, or gives an inherent proclivity towards, prioritising virtue over competence. *When I say they reject modernity I mean tendencies like seeing empirical science as systemically racist, making the case for ethnic remedies to be given the same weight as 'white' medicine, or prioritising lived experience over objective fact.

@Michelle_Wellbeck

2 жыл бұрын

From my view, leftist criticism isn't about rejection of competence per se but more the rejection of the idea of how competence is constructed. The critiques range from the socio-economic barriers put in place limiting the acquisition of competence to certain groups of people, the subjective nature of assessing competence separate from context, and the valorisation of only certain competences which are arbitrary and don't reflect wider societal values.

@alexsamurai1230

2 жыл бұрын

@@Michelle_Wellbeck I think that what you say is true to an extent, and I definitely agree with the point about socio-economic barriers. On the issue of competence subjectivity, I think your argument sounds good in theory but it is incredibly easy for someone to deconstruct traditional competences without offering something concrete in their place. For example, a boardroom might traditionally have included only workaholic white guys who were competence assessed on the criteria of increasing share price. A leftist might argue that other traditionally marginalised groups bring other personality types and strengths to the boardroom and so an effort should be made to promote, say, 3 women of colour at the next opportunity. I'd argue that at the moment this is a virtue argument masquerading as a competence argument. It is certainly possible to make it a competence argument, but in order to do that you would need to lay out clear criteria by which this could be evaluated. If, at the next board meeting, share prices had stagnated but the women had been instrumental in lowering the carbon footprint of the company by 5%, and guaranteeing working mothers Saturday afternoon off to spend time with their children, I would agree that these are important competences that have hitherto been overlooked in the quest for increased share prices. On the other hand, if things remain largely the same except for lip service statements about inclusivity and how we now have the most diverse boardroom that we have ever had, I think the case has ceased to be an appeal to competence and is now an appeal to virtue. Relating back to the point I made in the initial post, I think you put it well when you talked about subjectivity of competence. I suppose I was wondering about the relationship between subjective competence and the rejection of objective truth in science and morality that can be a feature of postmodernist philosophy. After all, if the truth (or *your* truth) is subjective, how can there ever be an objective criteria for evaluating competence?

@Michelle_Wellbeck

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexsamurai1230 Thanks for the discussion. Just to let you know, I would say my own thought is quite postmodernist so I'm actually skeptical about the categories of competence and virtue. You really put it quite well, the central conflict arises out of a reckoning with our time of there being no longer a subsuming narrative which speaks for all of humanity. It has been quite far from the religious times when fundamental questions on how society is run were not challenged. Now we have a multitude of ideas and values which circulate freely and interact with each other and it is thought that the prevailing ideas and values that gain primacy emerge out of a process of markets (though this is disputable). Under this framework you could say to how "left" ideas caught on in universities, was that for some reason or another "left" ideas generated more ideas and discourse in the academic arena than competing ideas. These "left" ideas and the "virtues" derived from them have subsequently been picked up by the wider culture and in my view have been accelerated in their dissemination (and effectively nullified in their substance) through the mechanics of capitalism. This brings to my mind the idea that what we like to call "virtue" is no longer an intrinsic value but has become a commodity to be traded and therefore its management becomes an issue of competence. Normal commodities like phones, sports shoes, and even investment banking have reached a point where the only thing differentiating competitors from each other is not their functionality or quality but their brand. Brands cultivate an image of aligning with good values to appeal to customers. Therefore individuals who work with the brand are assessed on their virtues (albiet superficially) as part of the value they contribute to the brand - and as so, virtue becomes competence.

@bestdjaf7499

2 жыл бұрын

@@Michelle_Wellbeck All that stuff is coming from Post-Modernists & Critical Theory. Especially in the education in the past 60-40 years, everything is Post-Modern & Deconstructed. And Cancel (Call-out) Culture is actually the 4th Wave Feminism. That is Radical Intersectional Feminism Online. (Critical Race Theory/Critical Feminist Theory & Critical Queer Theory). * Wikipedia: "Fourth-wave feminism is a feminist movement that began around 2012 and is characterized by a focus on the empowerment of women,[1] the use of internet tools,[2] and intersectionality." *Anita Sarkeesian (4th Wave Feminist):* "Yeah, absolutely. I sort of joke about how it was the most liberating thing that ever happened to me, and also the most frustrating for everyone around me. *Cause, like, when you start learning about systems, everything is sexist, everything is racist, everything is homophobic, and you have to point it all out to everyone all the time.* So there's a good year of my life where I was the most obnoxious person to be around. And then you settle into it, you start to understand, like, oh people have been living within these systems, and it was just sort of a liberating moment for me. You learn how to pick and choose your battles and that sort of thing."

@bestdjaf7499

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexsamurai1230 Critical Race Theory in action: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dW2Hy7SHmcWqYZc.html

"Status is not just about violence, but also the threat of ostracisation." Part of me agrees with this, but--and I've been mulling this over for years--is incomplete. Something about using ostracisation does not strike me as the base. Ostracisation does *what?* I can't express my question with any great clarity.

why did the media go off line for about a minute or 2?

Culture. Even big cities are primarily segregated. Different nationalities occupy different parts of town. We are also segregated by wealth. Class is usually distinguished as upper, middle, and lower. The real power of social media is it breaks barriers and gives everyone a chance to be heard. There isn't an historical equivalent we can compare our time with. This has never happened. There is power in a "shared opinion" and people are learning to use it. Just like mobs always have, their strength depends on their size, but the new social media mobs literally can be formed overnight. And it's not necessarily restrained by the normal cultural barriers of class, race, or sex. Its seems like people are, in one hand, trying to be more accommodating to one another, and in the other they are less tolerant.

I would say large numbers of them are malignant narcissists.

Fascinating! I love it when things are explained like this. Because you can sit there thinking, yes, yes! Why haven't I seen this before?

need a pole with a sign that swings around, when you pull, the string and it's at a perpendicular angle it says virtue,.

The process IS the punishment. The prosecutor was reaching, building a case out of elastic bands and paper straws.

You can't be bullied unless you sumbit and you can't be cancelled because people you respect you will always be in touch.

Economics of Behavior: Status provides opportunity discounts on cooperation. It's the only kind of 'wealth' that existed material goods. Virtue can consist of investment in the commons (group assets). Or Virtue can consist of a promise of non-aggression. Or a promise of insurance. Virtue signaling - meaning, the intentional advertising of virtue - can be made by paying a cost, or pretense of paying a cost. For example, Princess Margaret's admonition that "Many people signal conviction when they are but practicing convenience", which means they're engaging in fraud by evading the burden of policing the commons of norms, traditions, institutions. Now, when people can't achieve any status via the positive, they can signal it falsely, or they can signal degeneracy by getting attention for harm.

What a gorgeous man!

33:17 to 34:15 - Glad to know I'm not alone.

Cancel culture is a trickle down effect from America's habitual sanctioning of countries. It's incessant meddling with internal affairs of other countries from moral high ground also lead to widespread Wokeness and Karenism in the country.

Dominance is real and doesn’t require the theory of evolution to off-set human nature. The theory of evolution is a dominance story at the theory-level.

Owen does a great English accent.

Just occurred to me, if you squint your eyes, he looks like JBP.

Can’t help but feel that JBP’s lobsters influenced this one!

He didn’t have to say several times that he’s left-orientated. He made it obvious.

"The way of sinners is made plain with stones, but at the end thereof is the pit of hell."

Anyone else thinks this guest looks like British Tom Hanks?

#tag cancer culture

Another fascinating conversation underway here. As a straight white man on the left my status already feels more secure than it did. 😂

@andrewcheadle948

2 жыл бұрын

You're straight, you're white, and you're on the left! Wtf! I used to be on the left, until they went barking mad, then I moved to centre right, which bizarrely these days means I'm still to the left! Jelly Johnson has turned out to be almost as big a commie as Corbyn! What a weird world we now live in!

@unedited8204

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewcheadle948 Well, left and right is such a crude simplification and I was only being half-serious, there are a lot of issues where I would be classified as left though. There is still such a thing as sensible moderate left, but it gets drowned out the noise of the screaming babies and toddlers in the me, me, me woke brigade, spitting out their identity dummies and constantly demanding to be fed and burped! 😂

"I don't think I've seen a public figure as misunderstood as Jordan Peterson.." I disagree. How about Ayn Rand?

So what else is new? Chickens also have a pecking order. It's named for them.

TOPIC FOLLOW UP REQUEST: To what extent can we dim or unlearn these behaviours eg status seeking through virtue signalling? Or is there a point at which we accept "this is the game" and these drives are inevitable or useful?

Honey Finder😅😅😅

Keep pushing. It’s going to end up in a bad place. I think the people in charge know this.

We'll never be rid of the status game. Not without horrific authoritarian controls. So stop trying to find a way to stop it. What we CAN do is toughen people up and teach them from a young age you should always consider the source. Like we used to. Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me. The female overreaction to standard school yard bullying has created emotional hemophiliacs.

Got to love it when so-called intellectuals think they understand the southern States...KK was right to question Storr's assumptions.

@rentyr1418

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, he doesnt really understand the north either

@filled_soda

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I came here to see if anyone else spotted that

Lack of wonga is the root of all, suffering, Buddha circa 2017

I very rarely hit the like or dislike link on a video or anything of that sort. Why? Because I do not fully understand by what it exactly means. Is it about the quality of the video, the topic of the video, the colouring, the sound, the tone, etc, etc, etc. Personally I never look at the likes before I watch nor even when I have finished watching a video. If I want to know how other people feel about a video I am watch I simple skim through the comments and try to read between the line, who is who and what, if anything, they are trying to say. However, that has become increasingly difficult over the past few years as censorship is cancelling people's voices in the comment sections, for better or for worse. Not only do I feel I no longer have the right to speak freely about what I am thinking. I also do not have the right to choose for myself whether or not I want to read other people's thoughts, good or bad. It is as if society has places childhood restriction upon us al over again. We are no longer mature enough to communicate with one another without guardian supervision. But who are our Guardians and who appointed them? I guess people have evolved to the point where they realize it is easier to cancel freedom of thoughts and expressions than it is to debate them.

In Sweden men have started groups and support each other in growing as men. IF you är interested äsch for example Alexander Bard and Navid Modiri in Sweden.

WARNING Don't use car analogies unless you really know what your talking about.