I’m a Pentecostal pastor. Not oneness. We are trinitarian. But the oneness camp are like cement. They throughly mixed up and well set! 😂. They say to go to heaven you at to do 3 things. Repent, be baptized in the name of Jesus and speak in tongues. They get this from one passage and use it for their entire doctrine of salvation. First off, my non-Pentecostal brothers and sisters that have been born again ARE My Brothers and Sisters! Gifts of the Spirit are that! GIFTS. I’d rather my church walk in the fruits of the Spirit more than the gifts of the Spirit. If they don’t get the fruits down then they will misuse the gifts which we see often! Thanks for the great videos brother

@adamlove592

6 ай бұрын

Amen. I'm a reformed cessationist, but this is amazing to hear. If the gifts were still for us today, then this is exactly how they ought to be treated. I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment and would rephrase it: I'd rather see people master the fruits of the Spirit than theology about gifts.

This is probably the best example you have pointed out of a false friend. I was surprised that my Thomas Nelson reference Bible didn't note it in the margin, but the Trinitarian Bible Society's Westminster Reference Bible did.

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Ah, very interesting! If I had more time in this life, I'd check those every time-and D.A. Waite's Defined KJB.

@fr.johnwhiteford6194

Жыл бұрын

@@markwardonwords Thomas Nelson usually over does it in terms of explaining words in the KJV. Often they will explain words that are not at all archaic. They also will often have notes that suggest an alternative translation to the one in the KJV. So I was really surprised they missed this one, but I think their editors got fooled by a false friend too. Generally the Westminster seems to strike a good balance with their notes, and they have the original KJV margin notes too, which are often insightful.

@richardvoogd705

Жыл бұрын

I was mildly surprised that none of the Thomas Nelson editions of the KJV in ,y personal library have a note showing an alternative to "road" but the copy of the KJVER I recently purchased does have a note in keeping with the NKJV's rendition of the verse.

@daniellawrence4884

2 ай бұрын

The TBS Westminster is just an almost unbeatable resource for reading the KJV.

Thank you brother Mark. I especially was blessed by the last few seconds when reminded of the One who will reign forever! God bless you!

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Amen!

@jordyE..

Жыл бұрын

@@markwardonwords have you ever thought of writing a book on ‘why I preach from the critical text’..? I think that would be cool to see!

Yes! And THANK YOU VERY MUCH!! You have just illustrated the very reason WHY the NKJV is my second most favorite bible translation. Most of the "false friends" are revealed there. As to my first favorite? I'm still trying to figure that one out. Cause I actually love all of my many bibles. Great job Mark! Interestingly, the Septuagint and the Vulgate, and my 1901ASV uses the word "raid" as well in that verse. The older 1560 Geneva puts it: "Where have ye been a roving this day?" Now David and his merry men are roving all over the place. Great catch!

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Ah-interesting. I failed to check the Geneva.

@londening

Жыл бұрын

Ha! "David and his merry men" made me laugh. :D

Hey Mark! Thanks for "making a road" against bad interpretive methods! I enjoyed that line. :D - Billy Peters (I haven't gotten around to putting my picture or common name or youtube content out there yet, but maybe one of these days! Thanks for the shout-out. I'm glad to contribute. These false friends really are tripping folks up. After talking with you I found at least a dozen and I'm sure I could have found more that took road as road. "Where ya been, David? Watcha been up to?" It's the natural *modern* English way to read it! Thanks for your work. It has helped our congregation.

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Many, many thanks for your own work on this video!

I went back to my notes on this verse which I taught from the KJV at the time, many years ago. I was teaching an adult class. The only version allowed to preach and teach from was the KJV. Even then I pointed out how a modern translation helps here. From my notes, "The wording of this question is a little strange in the English to us. The NKJV has “Where have you made a raid today?” The word road here is only translated “made a road” once. The other times it is “strip”, “invaded”, “spoil” among others." I can understand if you just read the verse how you might misunderstand it but a simple Bible comparison helps tremendously. Most who use the KJV use it exclusively, sadly. Another great video, Mark.

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Excellent! I’m glad those folks had a careful teacher.

Fascinating and excellent video, as usual--I appreciate the literary wit you couch your wisdom in. :) Totally thought I knew what the passage meant ("making a road" as in "where you went") until you unveiled the false friend!

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Aha! Glad to be of service!

The man was Vishal Mangalwadi, Indian Christian philosopher and social reformer, and the book was 'The Book That Made Your World: How the Bible Created the Soul of Western Civilization'. One of my husband's favourite books 😊 As a speaker of English as a second language, a translator and a tutor, I've long been familiar with the concept of 'false friends' across different languages. My language is Romanian, so there's a huge overlap in vocabulary, what with the Norman invasion and all, and usually words that look the same have similar meanings, but there are also quite a few of the false friends to look out for! (A quick example: English 'eventually' vs Romanian 'eventual', which means 'possibly'.) But before finding out about your work, I hadn't thought much about the fact that, over time, false friends can appear even inside one and the same language. I have come across only one KJV-only group so far, and unfortunately they had a lot of other problems too. Don't know whether they are still in existence as a community, as this was about 30 years ago. I remember sitting through one sermon where we were told that 1 John 3:2 meant that, in Heaven, we would all have 33-year old, male bodies. Yep.

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

YES! I knew a viewer would come through for me! I need to read that book! And I think that by the nature of language, every language of sufficient age has false friends "within it"-that is, between its older and its current varieties. I also think they develop between current dialects if a language is spoken by enough people.

@danielbright2916

Жыл бұрын

Here is the video where he gets interviewed by Jordan Peterson on the exact topic you and Mark mention. kzread.info/dash/bejne/g6p5tbKedrqyeNo.html

@Beefcake1982

8 ай бұрын

Great book!

@mariemilycraig

5 ай бұрын

@QuietlyContemplating Yes, I didn't mean it as an illustration of KJV-onlyism, but of the fact that it sometimes goes hand in hand with other problems. In that particular case, I think the root was less a lack of intelligence and more a very strong belief in the superiority of maleness, which the leaders of the group demonstrated through other teachings and practices. I think the wooden reading of the KJV in that passage was chosen because it seemed to support the thought that being male is the ideal, perfect state.

@mariemilycraig

5 ай бұрын

​@QuietlyContemplatingHa ha, great points! 😊

English translations of the LXX are helpful tools, e.g. The English translation of The Septuagint by Sir Lancelot Charles Lee Brenton, originally published in 1851. "And Anchus said to David, On whom have ye made an attack to-day? And David said to Anchus, On the south of Judea, and on the south of Jesmega, and on the south of the Kenezite." 1 Samuel 27:10 LXXE Sadly, a thorough KJVO preacher may not consult such resources. A most excellent video indeed! You and your channel are a great blessing to the Body of Christ! Thanks & Blessings! 🙋🏼‍♂️📖😊

Great video Mark! I Appreciate your work!

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Many thanks, good friend!

Question, do you have more passages like this in the KJV? I'm pretty good at using a concordance, but I'd love to have some more of these verses memorized. Thank you

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

I sure do! kzread.info/head/PLq1Aq0ucgkPCtHJ5pwhrU1pjMsUr9F2rc

When I read this text several months ago, it was obvious that the word "road" had a different meaning, so I looked it up at the back of my TBS Bible and that was that. I'm surprised he didn't realize what was meant here with what the context was.

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Nice-what does it say in the back? I don’t know if I’ve seen this before.

@daniellawrence4884

Ай бұрын

Which TBS Bible do you have?

I've noticed that in places like The United States (not sure where you are located) a lot of people (to not say the majority) don't have any idea about how language changes even when you can clearly see it when you open up a KJB and see that this is not how people talk or write today, because there is a culture that all you need to know is the English language. There's no need to learn or to even be familiar with another language because English is superior to any other language in the world. They have done what the Catholic church did to Latin back in the day, when our LORD never sanctified a language. If people would bother to even be familiar with a language other than their native language (in this case English) their eyes would be open. The reason why I have a huge personal problem with translation triabilism is because I'm bilingual. I've been bilungual all my life! And I can praise God for the love and affinity that He has given me for languages. Being bilingual and being an interpreter being my bread and butter has all those nuances of the process of translation so evident to me I'd hate myself if I ignore, because they are impossible to ignore. And I know there's willful ignorance. The reason I say this is because there's people out there who will acknowledge that kids in the 80s had a different "slang" than kids today in the 2020's, but they can't see how much English has changed since 1611.

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I get the distinct feeling that a lot of KJV defenders have never translated anything. It flavors your whole understanding of your own language when you know another.

@joelrios4051

Жыл бұрын

@@markwardonwords That's true, it definitely does. I'm always reminded of the gift of tongues given in Acts 2. To me it's so beautiful that God preserved His word through languages by giving the gift of tongues.

What Oxford English Dictionary app did you use? Thank you!

@markwardonwords

6 ай бұрын

OED.com

I thoroughly enjoyed this video. Subscribed.

@markwardonwords

4 ай бұрын

Welcome aboard!

Well done teaching! Thanks, Mark.

@markwardonwords

3 ай бұрын

My pleasure!

Probably the best false friend video to date. I wouldn't be too hard on the preacher, he's so committed to his tribe and movement that it would be hard for him to even consider the problems you raised. As to his exegetical error, he's only preaching what he's seen, heard, been taught, etc, he's a product of his movement. What an example though. Thanks for posting

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

All true. And yet he'll be judged with stricter judgment, James 3:1. God have mercy on us all!

@davidbrock4104

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for such words of wisdom. An insightful verse indeed

I had an English teacher in public junior high school who had the same mannerism, and tone of voice as you, Dr. Mark. He was a Christian, and assigned us books to read and discuss in class that had themes of types of Jesus and gospel message, or truth, etc. He, furthermore, had a way of using subtle humor, and would show grace to those who occasionally fell asleep in class. His voice was so gentle, and some didn't stand a chance of staying awake in English literature class after lunchtime. He would calmly "boast", with the words, "When I put them to sleep, they STAY asleep!" Those were the days, when Christians had the liberty in public schools to teach well, and maintain a calm Christian perspective in their classes -- whether it was literature, biology, music, etc. A lot of teachers were either Christian, or else, respectfully, were God fearing teachers. They actually cared about their students' learning. This particular gentle-giant teacher, by the way, also was a strong assistant football coach on the practice field. I think most students actually liked him, and also learned in class.

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

I'm honored! God was gracious to you to give you this teacher.

It was so easy for me to check my Hebrew interlinear bible app on my phone (which i am so grateful for) I do not know the original languages but because of modern tools I can easily find out what the original languages say and look at the strongs definition which is in the same app which gives the meaning and different uses and tenses and origins of the Hebrew or Greek words. It has taken me far far longer to write out this comment than it did for me to look up 1 Sam. 27:10 to look for any conspicuous translation oddities in response to your question. I'm so grateful for these tools. I realize that looking at a newer translation would have been more simple but I was not immediately aware that roads was the culprit here. But as soon as I saw the verse in my interlinear it jumped right out. As I was thinking about this I realized how sad and frustrating this scenario is. My gut instinct was to go to the original language to get a clear picture which it did. But many of these king James only circles believe and are taught that they don't need the original languages because the king James replaces those original manuscripts they don't have anywhere else to go for help.

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

If you want to know what a given phrase in the Bible means, you can get at least one responsible answer pretty easily and quickly with freely available tools. That's *if* you want to know what it means. No tools can make you want to know.

@chrisjohnson9542

Жыл бұрын

@@markwardonwords thanks for the reply Mark. So very very true.

I like that, David's Road Construction Crew... LOL.

I paused the second time to tell what I think "made a road", though I'm probably more wrong than the rest. I didnt go back and read it but from what I can tell David was supposed to be acting like a mercenary for ackish to (stay friendly and pay for his stay), even though much of the time David continued fighting the enemies of Israel because he loved Israel and God. So context tells me that Ackish was probably asking David "where have you cleared the enemies of Philistine today". Which is why David names Israelite towns instead of where he really attacked. :) Probably wrong but this is fun, you should do this in some short videos one day. :)

I don't just sub to anyone claiming to speak God's word or be a man of God but after watching quite of bit of your videos in confident ( and not conflicted by the holy spirit ) that you stand for God's truth ( word ) subcribed

The words "road" and "raid" descend from the same Old English word, "rad." (The Online Etymology Dictionary is quite helpful in its own right.)

@natefremont

Жыл бұрын

Well. That's pretty rad.

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I thought about talking about how "road" is probably, in a way, a different spelling of "raid."

I understood the meaning as "where did you go?" as a euphemism for "what attacks did David carry out?". But I guess the original text was less of a euphemism?

The CSB uses the English word “raid “instead of road. My NOAD gives orgin in late Middle English as a noun: Scots variant of road in the early senses journey on horseback, foray . The noun became rare from the end of the 16th century but was revived by Sir Walter Scott the verb dates from the mid 19th century. You rock sir thank for sharing your wisdom. In Leviticus 1:6 the English word applied is “Flay” you are right again lol KJV!!

I just paused at 2:44 to say that his error is plucking a verse out of context and making it say whatever he wants it to say. I would say that the bigger error is not preaching through the entire text.

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

I tend to agree.

Thank you Mark for revealing yet another false friend. As usual, comparison between translations and use of bible resources can reveal errors in translation.

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Or in interpretation!

this is one of my favorite kjv false friends

I would say that even if the Indian convert story is not 100% accurate to how you remember reading it, I think that their story of conversion has a ton of commonalities to a lot of converts, one of them being me. I became a Christian after studying the Bible and finding that its depiction of humanity, all of its mess and potential, was the most accurate to reality. Our ancient ancestors, for all their differences, are depicted in an honest, evenhanded, and realistic way with no sugarcoating that made sense to someone many millennia later. That and I felt Job is the only religious work I had read that had wrestled with the concept of bad things happening to "good" people in a way that reflects reality. Well, Job and nihilistic works that say the universe is random, but, those espouse a very unattractive philosophy, that might as well not matter because that is their whole argument. I asked myself that if the Bible could be so accurate about human nature and so consistent in its way of writing about our sin vs God, what else was it right about? That is when I started noticing such a startlingly focused narrative throughput through the whole Bible, despite being obviously written by people from very different cultures, backgrounds, and eras.

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Wow. That is profound, beautiful, and encouraging. Thank you for commenting! Have you written out your conversion story anywhere for publication? Would you like to?

@skyorrichegg

Жыл бұрын

@@markwardonwords I have told it personally to people before and continue to when talking to people online about the truthfulness of the Bible. I'm not sure I have ever written it out except in those sorts of conversations. I'm not sure I would be that comfortable sharing it outside of direct conversations like this where it is pertinent to what we are discussing. For one thing I think this might be a relatively common form of conversion experience or at least aspects of it are: there were a lot of startling parallels to some of what CS Lewis articulated and described feeling in "Surprised by Joy" when I read that well after converting. Another thing is that what I said above was the more, I guess I would say, intellectual side of my conversion that came first, where there was also a very personal, direct, and emotional side to my conversion as well and they are both deeply entwined in my conversion experience that I would be more uncomfortable sharing outside of direct conversations with people in person.

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

@@skyorrichegg I totally respect that. But if you can see your way to writing out the narrative, I'm a Senior Editor for Digital Content for the Word by Word blog, by Logos Bible Software. This sounds like something our readers could find both interesting and edifying. Give it some thought!

Or if he had used LXX and Brenton and ABP it says ‘attack’: ϵπέθϵσθϵ from epitiθημι In the NT it’s used for ‘placing upon’.

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Good!

What bothers me even more than his interpretive error is the sheer fact that this man who gets up in the pulpit to read to others cannot _reliably_ read his native language. He looks at the word “Jerahmeelites” - he can’t quite figure out all the sounds that the English letters and their combinations stand for - as if he could not decode any word whose appearance he had not previously encountered often enough to rote-memorize - so he guesses and gropes and fudges and finally just decides to not bother working out the last syllable of the word, so he just ignores the “-ites” and (I think) he hopes that nobody will notice: as if he hoped and assumed that nobody in his congregation would be any better at reading not-previously-memorized material than he I himself is. Never mind “Unserstandest thou, what thou readest?” - this man, and any like him - ought to be asked: “_Readest_ thou, what thou readest?” And - please note - when he’s inflicting upon his trusting congregation this display of “can’t-read-a-word-I-haven’t-already-had,-so-I’ll-make-the word-up-as-I-go-along,” in this way too he is missing out on a little snippet of his beloved KJV: as surely as if he had taken scissors to the text. (And what does it do to the children in the congregation, trying hard at school to learn to read, when they see “Jerahmeelites” written and they hear it read “Jermiul” as they’re trying to put together the sounds that they hear with the letters and letter-groups that they see?) This problem is enough to make me want to tell him: “Since you’re using the KJV, I hope you’ll at least buy yourself one of the printings that furnish an in-text prō-nǔn-cǐ-ā’-tiǒn guide for the names of people and places!” But, no, that wouldn’t do him any good either, I think. A man who thinks that he doesn’t _have_ to decode a written word in order to know how to speak its sounds - because he can always get away with saying something different and with not speaking the bits where he gives up or just plain gets stuck - a man who thinks that decoding doesn’t _have_ to happen is a man who is not likely to make it happen even if he is given a clear pronunciation guide, printed in a book whose written form he professes to revere. I sincerely hope that, one of these days, you will follow up your crucial survey on understanding the KJV with a survey on _reading_ the KJV: simply reading it, aloud. (If some survey-respondent looks at “Jerahmeelites” and says it “Jurmeul” or whatever, ask him:: “Show me, letter by letter, how you know this says “Jurmeul”: point to the “-ites” part and ask him to tell you why he didn’t make any sound for that part. And, when you do, prepare for surprises!)

@JR-lg7fd

2 ай бұрын

dude. condense.

I do have another comment…growing up in church I have always considered it an unwritten rule to not attempt to correct the preacher when you think they may be wrong…why do you think that is prevalent and how can we change that mindset? Is the format of the service an issue? Meaning there is no opportunity for the audience to respond.

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

I think heralding means a monologue. But I think a wise pastor will do what my dear friend and godly pastor Joe Tyrpak does: he makes openness and frankness regarding any sermons preached in his church part of the church culture, and he doesn't surround himself with yes men who will always say his sermon was great. He "did this" to me-and I loved it. It was bracing, a little difficult, but so valuable to be critiqued constructively in love by someone who you know to be humble enough to receive constructive criticism.

Unfortunately I made the mistake of glancing at the comments before I watched the video and therefore was unable to come up with a genuine guess at the meaning. I can say this from many years of experience - there is nothing in the context there that pushes me to redefine "road." I think I would have done exactly what you suggested - gone for a metaforic idea of progress or communication or travel.

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

✔ Right. That's where a lot of readers seem to lean.

Your facial expressions! Hahahaha

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Just doin' m' job!

How can I best share a potential false friend with you. The word “desert” in Psalm 94. This came up at a clergy conference and I’ve done a bit of research and am happy to share. Sadly no OED for me and my biblical language powers are far less good than yours

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

I’ll check it out!

It seems like the actual point of the passage is neglected almost entirely. Context is usually massacred in this type of message.

@johnmcafee6140

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. I've heard a lot of sermons like this. It's almost like the speaker decided what he wanted to say, prepared his "sermon" then shoehorned a Bible verse into his message.

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Right!

I'm kinda reminded of the whole "what's the Goliath in your life?" vibe from this guys "sermon."

The Geneva Bible said "Where have ye been a roving this day?" It is still hard to understand but roving and raiding are at least similar concepts to me,

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Yes, interesting.

If you have been assigned to read Chaucer or Shakespeare or even Beowulf, you may understand that our English language has changed. Beowulf is so far from us, it’s more understood from a now foreign language like Frisian. Chaucer wrote when the language was undergoing changes from Old Norman French influences, such as fruit supplanting apple as a generic word. Chaucer also wrote at the beginning of the Great Vowel Shift, and Shakespeare being towards the end so a lot of Shakespeare’s puns and word play are lost to our modern ears.

@markwardonwords

10 ай бұрын

Right!

My hair withered away...

@OrlandoVergelJr

Жыл бұрын

😂

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

✔

I see that I am late to the party, but context is crucial. Other translations offer a better understanding of the text of 1 Sam. 27:10 "Whither have ye made a road to day?" Well, here are some alternatives to that verse, NKJ "Where have you made a raid today?” NLT "Where did you make your raid today?” NIV "Where did you go raiding today?” ESV "Where have you made a raid today?”

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

✔

I learned something new, thank you

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

Just to add a bit of information to this great lesson. Noah Webster did include the definition of “road” ,as it was used in this verse, in his 1828 dictionary. It is definition number 4. He also mentions that it was no longer in use. Even by 1828 it was a false friend.

@shawnglass108

8 ай бұрын

Webster’s 1828 Dictionary has rarely left me wanting when researching King James Bible word definitions ..It’s an extremely useful resource. Noah Webster was a brilliant man and a very under appreciated founding Father of our country.

@markwardonwords

8 ай бұрын

Love it! Thank you!

The part about David lying could be understood differently. The commandment again bearing false witness isn't the same as lying. All false witnessing is lying, but not all lying is bearing false witness.

You asked us to pause video and tell what we think the error is. I'm guessing, by the way he kept repeating the verse and saying it different ways, he is going to what I call "spiritualized and personalize" something that is not meant to be. It is a very plain question, historical fact but he is going to make it all about us today, as many preachers do in topical sermons using one liners. :)

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Right-that's a good description!

That person who checked witht he 1828 Webster's Dictionary shouldn't have stopped reading of the entry. it also has "4. An inroad; incursion of an enemy. [Not in use.]"

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

I agree!

I knew the meaning of the passage even though I didn’t know the obsolete meaning of “road.” I could not have been able to explain the words, but the context.

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Right. It's pretty obvious if you read the story.

I'm guessing "making a road" refered to something like "raiding" or "attacking" in King James English. 2ndly, he's completely missed the point of the passage. David remained loyal to Saul while feigning loyalty to Achish. The wording of Achish's question is incidental to the point of the story

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Yes!

@nerdyyouthpastor8368

Жыл бұрын

@@markwardonwords Not quite. I took "making a road" to be a 17th century expression instead of realizing the word "road" had another definition available at that time. As a former KJV-onlyest who has used modern translations for 9 years, I have an unfair advantage on many of these false friends. In this case, I think I was taught the story correctly and thus was never too confused by the false friend. However, I certainly agree that it is a legitimate false friend and will likely confuse most readers - even careful and intelligent ones.

Just paused at 9:05... The first thing that came to mind was that in 1 Samuel 22:2, David had 400 men with him. So, traveling to a destination with that many people in some form of uniformed march would definitely leave a trail or road. Also of note in 1 Samuel 19:1-5, the Philistine princes did not trust David, so imo Achish already had tabs on David or at least enough to give some accompt to his fellows.

@mp1k3

6 ай бұрын

Just finished the video and doubled checked my '72 Nelson KJV. There is a publisher's footnote that says "Or, an inroad" which in fact is a hostile attack. Thank you for clearing that up.

That is really 1 Samuel 27:10. What 1 Samuel 27:9 actually says is: 'Whenever David attacked a territory, he did not leave a man or woman alive, but he took the flocks and herds, the donkeys, camels, and clothing. Then he would return to Achish...' Talk about a 'prosperity gospel.' 🙂

Makes so much sense…thanks!

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

I hope so!

It's pretty clear that preacher wasn't interested in getting the context right. If he'd have just read the whole chapter, even the "false friend" wouldn't have de-railed him too badly. It would have sent him to a dictionary at worse. Who said "A text without a context is a pretext?"

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Right. And it isn't only Oneness Pentecostals who do this sort of thing. =| Sometimes I sit there in my seat wondering, "What is so hard about saying what the text says?!"

The question asked of David was ' where have you gone?' Nothing more, nothing less. 2nd pause. To me, and I'm just speaking out of my imagination here, made a road has always ment to trave cross country and pound down the foliage. David was not traveling on roads already made, he, like many hunters was traveling cross country. He and his men were leaving a road like trail. I might have heard this somewhere, but I don't recall where. Maybe from a hunter.

ARrrrrrr, Ayrrrreeee, matie...... whither 'av ye made a road, today ? I like the NIV rendering, Achish asked, 'Where did you go raiding today?'

I am a oneness Pentecostal, and I can say that we are getting tired of preaching like this. There is a movement among us who are trying to shift our orgs and movement towards better exegesis. I know within traditional Christianity there are obviously areas where we disagree, but there is no excuse for “preaching” like this to be propagated in our churches and conferences as the standard. Thank you for this review.

@markwardonwords

2 ай бұрын

I appreciate this comment.

I thought it meant 'made progress against the enemy'.

Textbook false friend. I didn't know that I didn't know lol

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Yup!

14:00 the reason why he "lied" and the reason it was included was because the Bible doesn't include everything God condones, instead it like many stories is included to show humans even when they may want to fulfill God's desire may take it upon themselves to do in their own way or the way they see possible instead of using God's way. It shows that even God's people are not perfect. No matter how hard we try to be

Beautifully presented Mark, my favourite word nerd… as poetic as ever; with a punch of prowess candour to boot! I will refrain from commenting my thoughts about the subjective teachings of your highlighted snake oil salesman.

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Many thanks, David! I watched some more preaching of his on KZread to make sure I was being fair to him. He isn't a full-on prosperity gospel preacher, that I can see. But there is little biblical substance in his messages.

@djpodesta

Жыл бұрын

@@markwardonwords Ahhh dear… He is probably worried that if he doesn’t water down the Gospel, his parishioners may go elsewhere to be fed. I am sure that he must have a board of elders that are either not speaking up or possibly encouraging his content. I once belonged to a quaint little church that lay in a town about 100km/60 miles west of Brisbane, Australia, where our Pastor (Neil MacDonald) preached and taught a very sound Gospel. It was a very healthy small church… with only the few who were there for themselves. Then one of our elder’s daughters, who was a Women’s Ministry leader; both beautiful examples of sound Christianity, found Kenneth Copeland and managed to get hold of one of his (then) mail order studies on Faith. The tap (faucet) had been turned on. Unfortunately, at the same time, Copeland et al began making inroads into the city and suburban centres around Australia and became very popular. Pastor Neil relented and let the woman introduce this study into her women’s group… while he conducted a series of great sermons to counter these false/manipulated teachings… but, ever the diplomat concluded that he had supplied the Truth with the Narrow Path that leads to Salvation, but everybody must choose. Crusades had begun, with the larger Pentecostal and Evangelical churches being swayed and adopting the teachings and everything filtered out into the countryside. The teaching spread from the Women’s Group to the Wednesday Evening Bible Study (Where it was introduced to me… and rejected by the third night of study, with my objectionable questions being berated) Some even began to openly question our Pastor’s ability to understand the scriptures among themselves, which prompted another set of sermons on Biblical Authority and Church Leadership. Then one of the large Charismatic churches began a church planting crusade throughout the country side, opening fellowships in every town, under the false belief that Revival was at hand throughout the Land… adopting and endorsing the Prosperity Gospel/Faith Movement, ultimately splitting the already healthy but small congregations, leaving the earlier Conservative Pentecostal Pastors without a flock to guide. The flocks chose what they wanted to hear and voted with their feet. Subsequently, the Revival came to naught and everything was dispersed by the end of the 1990’s, but by that time, I was focussing my attention on my small group of like minded people in the volunteer fire service, as we shared our beliefs among ourselves. Maybe this preacher is facing similar circumstances and is too weak to stand upon sound doctrine, or has been subtly swayed into believing a watered down Gospel… as much of the larger congregations have adopted. And they preach that money is the root of all evil… but convince themselves that it belongs in Gods hands. :) Either way, the congregation has the final word about whom they choose to listen to… even if they are wrong.

i paused....hahahahhhaha ...and thought through...could it be allegorical interpretation.....reading between the lines to some "great revelation" that the text doesn't even hint at....maybe I am wrong....whither have I made a road...? lol

A would suggest that God here exposes David for the very same reasons is that He will expose the truth and show that men like David and the Patriarchs are human and have human failures. But, and this is a big but, God is demonstrating that despite men's desire to solve things for God, i.e.Abraham, Sarah and Ishmael, He is in control. And all things will exemplify that "God is in Control".

Would his error be eisegesis?

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, I wouldn't say so. I just didn't see any concern whatever to understand the meaning of the passage. "Eisegesis," to me is flawed exegesis. But at least it's trying. He didn't try. I listened to some other sermons of his, and he was definitely *not* always this bad. He accurately interpreted plenty of verses. He just didn't spend any time on them. He had other things he wanted to say.

I learn so much from your videos. Please take your wife’s advice and teach, teach and teach some more.

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Looks like I'm stuck. You want me to teach, and so does my wife. =)

I’m actually pausing the video for a change to make a comment… I’m not normally in a position where I can actually do that. I believe I know what the question was because of my familiarity with this passage with other translations, I’m pretty familiar with the story and I’m aware of what’s going on… But I would have absolutely no clue what he was asking in terms of the English… I’m only having a guess from memory of the story.

@02:25 at the pause. Directionally? @08:59 Road might also be a different spelling of reed/read/rod all of which mean or are related to the word advice in norwegian - older english being closer to norwegian. @09:50 ah! Raid. The grate creaher Dyslexius IV Pope of Akresanphdria rote a boat this. @11:30 ah. Rode related to ride: a raider is most efficiently a rider, you go quicker. Also you raid best on a road where others ride and rode and have ridden.

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Good guess!

Christianity needs more intelligent guys like you, thanks ! I recently enjoyed the discussion about KJV-only types and also the Dutch "KJV".

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words-and for watching!

He is an Apostolic Pentecostal. I have heard many of their sermons (I did not listen to this sermon, only the clip you showed). Though I do not always agree with their interpretive conclusions I have never once heard a Prosperity message. They never preach about pushing forward in your own strength, the "Your good enough...push through, You can do it" attitude or however you worded it. Again I did not listen to this entire sermon but speaking broadly, I know this denomination outwardly condemns the prosperity gospel. ...Okay I just watched the full sermon (I'm editing my previous comment). Yes he is consistent in his misreading of 1Samuel 27:10 throughout the sermon however what he's preaching is not a "feel-good prosperity message". The gist of what he's preaching is that you need to lead the way (pave away/ "make a road") for your family and your children's children after you THROUGH PRAYER, THROUGH your RELATIONSHIP with Jesus. Your diligence you walk in the spirit now can have lasting effect on your children's path to Jesus.

@markwardonwords

7 ай бұрын

I have gotten two or three reasonable requests like this. I am going to add a note to the description.

There's plenty of parallel Bibles that have multiple English translations.

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Right-I love that kind of tool!

I need to listen to him at 4x speed.

The first thing I thought of was some kind of military action. But I’ve read this passage in modern translations before so it was probably somewhere deep in my memory. It’s bad enough this guy got tripped up by a false friend, but using to launch into a badly formulated Ted talk isn’t unusual in these circles. It’s really interesting how KJV onlyism is so prone to other theological others. It’s seems to have become the standard for for hardcore dispy preachers for some reason. It’s like they know if the congregation actually understood what they were reading the jig would be up.

The KJV translates that word in Job 1:17 as “fell upon”. The Chaldeans “fell upon” the camels…sounds painful! It also says they “carried away” the camels…. Seems like just riding off on them would’ve been easier 😂

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

I almost mentioned the KJV rendering in Job 1:17-that's not one I misunderstood as a kid. But it also isn't the way we would say it.

Thank you for your teaching. I’m new to your channel, and just a lowly , not highly educated, follower of Christ, but I love God’s Word and enjoy your videos!

@markwardonwords

7 ай бұрын

Thank you! I love God’s word, too!

Whither thou goest . . .

Even during my short 60 plus years of life I have seen language change. The word "cool" is commonly used as an affirmative, rather than just used by hip teens to irritate their parents. The word "gay" meant "happy." My granddaddy would "tote" things. Would you say that today?

@markwardonwords

7 ай бұрын

Right! And language change is often far more subtle!

It was a bit less than a year ago, I ended the majority of friendships and associations I had with kjv onlyists. Ever since I did, my bible understanding has really taken off. And this video helps me understand more why that is. I am seeing that people stuck in that mindset, that sort of stubbornness and presumptuousness, spills over into other areas of thinking. I think people get satisfied from their own ideas, instead of what God truly wants them to know. And that attitude does not result in blessings God wishes to bestow on the people who truly care about what God wants you to take away from Scripture.

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Yes-the goal is understanding what God said!

Not Road but a Raid ie Attack

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Right!

Wither means where. I am not sure how he’s using it but it seems wrong. He is also spiritualizing a narrative pretty hard and way out of context.

@bamalamsue8720

Жыл бұрын

I didn’t know that phrase “making a road” meant “to attack” but I thought that was what David was saying there from context.

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

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11:42 / wow, more words thou hast bid me, 'thou shalt googlest.'

Ouch yeah this is a good example.

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

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It means 'make a raid' - no?

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Yes!

@alanhowe1455

Жыл бұрын

@@markwardonwords Thanks! I have no facility in the biblical languages, but I can do a trawl through the various (modern) Bible versions, study Bibles and commentaries that I possess or can access online. I mean, how hard can it be?

"Yo David, who'd you go kill today?" To be fair, if you read the context and understand who David was, I'm not sure how the definition of road becomes too obscured there. To me, having read through 85% of the bible in 3 translations,(KJV, niv, and tlv), the meanings of the different phrases is decently apparent by context. Although I do really appreciate referencing multiple versions when studying.

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

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I have an unfair advantage, i just read this verse in the NLT not too long ago but... I paused the video to try and give my unbiased opinion lol, if i were to hear "Whither hast thou made thine road(eth)" i would have assumed he was saying "What area did you and your men clear out(clear a path to?)" David was a warrior and a general and was acting as a double agent at the time, he was asking about what progress he had made(militarily)

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Which wouldn't be far off.

Ok. I had to replay the first couple minutes multiple times. Road. I had to resort to cheating.

@markwardonwords

2 ай бұрын

Ha! So you gave up on this one?

@dustinpauley3786

2 ай бұрын

@@markwardonwords Yes. I could not spot the false friend. I did try, though. Having no clue, I cheated. I began to look at a few of the "study bibles" I have on hand and Dr. Ryrie's annotation revealed the offence. I've always mostly ignored these notes on the scripture itself in these works, and valued them for their commentary and cross-reference helps only. On these false friends that you present, that's not been the case. This is the third one that has been shown to me by accident by such notes. I resist such notes because I know that the source of these notes must either be alternate translations of the scripture, or the handiwork of the commenter themselves. This has been the most humbling entry in the playlist thus far.

@markwardonwords

2 ай бұрын

@@dustinpauley3786 Join the crew of humbled people! I'm certainly in it. I can't say that all my false friends tripped me up when I was an exclusive KJV reader, but I think nearly all of them did.

Not really that hard to interpret if you read verses 8. & 9. Or the Whole Chapter. By itself sure but in context I don’t think it’s that difficult. And that’s coming from me who was a drug addict from 11 years old until 31 . I was not much of a reader or academic LOL. I am 48 now been a Christian 17 years now. Never been a huge KJV guy . Actually read the NLT my first year saved then the NKJV . NASB 77 & NIV 84. For the last 16 years . But this last couple years I started attending a church Where the Pastor my Age only Preaches out of the KJV not because he’s KJV only but because he just knows it so good it just Naturally flows better for when he Preaches. So I’ve gotten accustomed to it Now and Started reading it a lot more and Never really find it difficult. And if there are obvious words that I know we don’t use anymore or words I think just might not mean what they meant back then I just refer to other translations. But I think the KJV is just Fun these days with the Modern Church being so Trendy and trying to be cool to the World.

@markwardonwords

4 ай бұрын

Agreed.

@revcanada2147

4 ай бұрын

Added to my comment LOL. But I’m guessing you still might agreed. And I agreed with you that that Preacher is a False Teacher. Oneness is not Debatable whatsoever.

Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. Paul by inspiration of the Holy Spirit said it not me 😅. Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. That’s what our savior Jesus Christ has to say about that.

My mother is KJV only. She says other translations refer to the believer as bondservants as opposed to servants in the KJV. She says this is an abomination, is she correct? (Possible video content, you're welcome...jk)

@curtthegamer934

Жыл бұрын

Even the KJV intends for its meaning of "servant" as meaning the same as "bondservant." This is a simple matter of "I like one word better than the other." Also, a lot of modern translations do have "servant" instead of "bondservant" or "slave"

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Can you fill that out? I can't even figure out what she's saying-an abomination?

@philiph.5113

Жыл бұрын

@@markwardonwords I'm sorry I can't answer your question. Is there a difference between the two words in a biblical sense?

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

@@philiph.5113 Not that I can see. I'm just trying to figure out what she thinks she's seeing.

@philiph.5113

Жыл бұрын

@@markwardonwords Ok I contacted my mother and this is what she texted me. "Bond servant when I looked it up means slave. The Lord never calls us slaves. In fact he told the disciples: John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you."

What chapter and verse do I find trinity in the bible?

@MAMoreno

Жыл бұрын

Two notable places are Matthew 28.19 and 2 Corinthians 13.13 or 14 (depending on how the translation numbers the last sentence of the letter).

@springflowerblosomnorris9721

Жыл бұрын

@@MAMoreno Can you read English? I don't see the word "TRINITY " written in these scriptures: 2Corinthians 13:13-14 13¶All the saints salute you. 14¶The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.fn And here's Matthew 28:19 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: So, are you doing God's will and REST in the written scriptures? Or maybe it's YOUR WILL more important, and you readjust the scriptures with YOUR OWN new concepts and ideas? Do you follow God's word? Or, you TRASH God's written word according to your crocked mind? Which one is it? I know what the evidences are saying, and you are lying to yourself. Why are you deceiving yourself?

@MAMoreno

Жыл бұрын

@@springflowerblosomnorris9721 You're also not going for find "soteriology," "hypostatic union," "credobaptism," "orthopraxy," or any other number of terms used in theological discussions. (In fact, you won't even find the word "theology" in the Bible!) But the terminology that later generations used to describe the ideas in the Bible do not have to be present in the Bible for those ideas themselves to be in the Bible. The questions we have to answer are these: 1. Do we see God being referred to as the Father? (Obviously.) 2. Do we see that Jesus is distinct from the Father? (Obviously.) 3. Do we see Jesus being referred to as God? (Numerous times.) 4. Do we see the Bible insisting upon monotheism? (Frequently.) 5. Do we see Jesus and the Father being referred to as one? (Yes.) Okay, so we now have Binitarianism at least. That leaves us with the Bible's description of the Holy Spirit, most notably in John 14. 6. Is the Holy Spirit distinct from the Father? (Yes; see verse 26.) 7. Is the Holy Spirit distinct from the Son? (Yes; see verse 26.) 8. Is the Holy Spirit a person? (Yes; see verse 17, 15.26, and 16.13-14.) 9. Is the Holy Spirit God? (Yes; see 2 Corinthians 3.16-18.) 10. Is the Spirit placed alongside the Father and Son? (Yes; see Matthew 28.19.) So we add these points together and get the following: A. The Father is God. B. The Son is God. C. The Spirit is God. D. There is only one God, not three (or more). E. The Father is not the Son. F. The Father is not the Spirit. G. The Son is not the Father. H. The Son is not the Spirit. I. The Spirit is not the Father. J. The Spirit is not the Son. K. The Father is a person. L. The Son is a person. M. The Spirit is a person. N. The Father and Son are one. O. The Father and Spirit are one. P. The Son and Spirit are one. Or, to simply things: the Father, Son, and Spirit are one God, not three, but they are three distinct persons in the Godhood. We have a name for that: *Trinity.*

@springflowerblosomnorris9721

Жыл бұрын

@@MAMoreno So much Babylonian BS and confusion in your statement. Genesis 2:1 and Genesis 2:7 , are so simple that a 5 year old child can understand. So here is what God said: 26¶And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 26וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֔ים נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה אָדָ֛ם בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ וְיִרְדּוּ֩ בִדְגַ֨ת הַיָּ֜ם וּבְעֹ֣וף הַשָּׁמַ֗יִם וּבַבְּהֵמָה֙ וּבְכָל־הָאָ֔רֶץ וּבְכָל־הָרֶ֖מֶשׂ הָֽרֹמֵ֥שׂ עַל־הָאָֽרֶץ׃ 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 27וַיִּבְרָ֨א אֱלֹהִ֤ים אֶת־הָֽאָדָם֙ בְּצַלְמֹ֔ו בְּצֶ֥לֶם אֱלֹהִ֖ים בָּרָ֣א אֹתֹ֑ו זָכָ֥ר וּנְקֵבָ֖ה בָּרָ֥א אֹתָֽם׃ A 5 year old child can understand that when God says something than it is fulfilled AS it was said. So, here's the fulfillment FINISHED: 1¶Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 1וַיְכֻלּ֛וּ הַשָּׁמַ֥יִם וְהָאָ֖רֶץ וְכָל־צְבָאָֽם׃ Also Lord God is providing us with the PERFECT MAN made in God's IMAGE. Notice the 3 parts (body, spirit and living soul) of this PERFECT MAN: Genesis 2:7 7¶And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 7וַיִּיצֶר֩ יְהוָ֨ה אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶת־הָֽאָדָ֗ם עָפָר֙ מִן־הָ֣אֲדָמָ֔ה וַיִּפַּ֥ח בְּאַפָּ֖יו נִשְׁמַ֣ת חַיִּ֑ים וַֽיְהִ֥י הָֽאָדָ֖ם לְנֶ֥פֶשׁ חַיָּֽה׃ In Genesis 2:7 Lord God is describing ONE MAN (not 3 men) This MAN is in God's IMAGE. This is the image of ONE GOD (its not 3 gods, neither is 3 persons , neither is 3 god-persons) Obviously you made a TRINITY god in YOUR image. YOUR 3 persons-god is according to YOUR corrupt mind. Repent and believe the ONE LIVING God (ONE self existing LIVING being) as HE described himself to us according to HIS WILL as he wanted to write in his own given scriptures. That's why you DON'T KNOW the ONE TRUE GOD, because you REFUSE to giveup YOUR TRASH, and you REBEL against his given scriptures. You are a lost sheep in your own Babylonian confussion. Repent and believe the scriptures, put your FAITH in Lord God Almighty and you shall be saved. Cryout loud to him before it's too late. Put your FAITH in Lord God Almighty, he has a FREE GIFT for you: Jesus Christ Matthew 11:28 28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

@MAMoreno

Жыл бұрын

​@@springflowerblosomnorris9721 So instead of offering an alternative explanation of the key Trinitarian passages, you quote a few verses from Genesis and insist that they prove... something. You didn't make that point very clear, though you did throw in a few all-caps words to make it clear that you're shouting, which I suppose means that I should listen to you instead of believing the Gospel According to John and Paul's Second Epistle to the Corinthians, both of which contain enough verses to support the Trinity on their own, let alone when we take them together. Who is the Lord? According to 2 Corinthians, three persons are the Lord: this same title is used of the Father, Son, and Spirit at one point or another in the letter. Sometimes, it's even hard to peg down if a certain reference is to the Father, Son, or Spirit (or perhaps all three). Paul, whose letters are probably the oldest texts in the New Testament, is a Trinitarian. He's not a tritheist (as he affirms in Galatians 3 that God is one), nor is he a modalist (as he speaks of God and Jesus as separate persons, not separate roles performed by the same person).

Are there any scriptures in the Bible that inform us how we might know that we are worshiping the one true god?

@jimhughes1070

Жыл бұрын

I'll go ahead and answer... Yes, yes there are...

Isagesis vs exegesis

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

Right!

come on Im not stupid I read scriptures you are not being all honest here

@markwardonwords

5 күн бұрын

Please interact with the arguments made in the video.

The NWT has "Where did you make a raid today?” Yet a little something on David ‘siding’ with Achish... Yes, it was somewhat devious, but David doing so had fulfilled some of God’s purpose in cleansing and removing more of Israel’s enemies mentioned in verse 8 - the Geshurites, Girzites and Amalekites. The question is, as is mentioned in verse 10, in David's reply to Achish using words “Against the south of Judah” or “Against the the south of the Jerahmeelites” or “against the south of the Kenites.” He makes it sound (at least to fool Achish) as if he even raided his own people, the Israelites, when in reality it was only the Geshurites, Girzites and Amalekites that were living in the same region as Judah, the Jerahmeelites and the Kenites. It seems, David left his own people untouched as we see in 1 Samuel 30:26-29. So, devious as it seems to us, Gods overall purpose of cleansing the other nations out of the area of Israel did occur. That makes it a little easier for me to understand, or maybe “pardon”? :)

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

They got it right!

So, I'm no great scholar, however, when you read the scripture in context: 1 Samuel 27: 8-11, it is clear what David has been doing. So, why wouldn't you point out that the critical error is one of plucking a verse out of context. I'm truly confused why so many folks would attempt to explain a verse out of context and I found your video clip a little misleading. Finding the error was not in the clip, but in the surrounding verses. And that can be seen in the KJV surrounding verses, although I liked the rendering in the NASB.

@markwardonwords

9 ай бұрын

An excellent question. The error was in the clip; it was with the word “road”-did that make sense?

@angelawilliams6756

9 ай бұрын

I understand your point, but doesn't correct exegesis instruct to FIRST read/examine the context before attempting to define a word without context (A text without a context is a pretext)? So, if there are three errors, and I think there are, the first is failure to put the word in context, the second is to misidentify the word as road and the third is to mislead people/mishandle God's word with a very wrong interpretation. And doesn't that break your heart? @@markwardonwords

Whither have ye made a road today can be understood by David's answer, David says against as opposed to making an alliance, that he should win the favour of Achish. From the Overflow of the heart the mouth speaks, and judging by your Overflow you are puffed up in your own spirit, you are full of arrogance. Boasting of yourself in such a way is foolishness, and your foolishness will be seen thinking you are without error.

I’m of the apostolic franchise like this pastor and we typically pride ourselves on not being formally educated. Because we only rely on Acts 1:8 and Acts 2:38. Who needs to be educated?

@olwynbowden5193

Жыл бұрын

I think we went to the same church....

@jonasaras

Жыл бұрын

Those passages don’t suggest that education is not necessary or promote illiteracy. The real apostles were not trained by the rabbis. They were educated by Jesus (Acts 4:38).

@claudiabailey5302

Жыл бұрын

@@jonasaras just a question then do you believe that the apostles understood all scripture? Because when you read the writings of Paul you notice that he was educated not saying that the other apostles work had less power or worth. But when Paul sets up an argument it’s masterful. Yes he is writing under the inspiration of Holy Spirit but it’s clear that is working with his understanding of word as well. You don’t need a formal education to teach the word but and education in this area shouldn’t be sniffed at.

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

To others commenting-I suspect that avaritt is not defending this viewpoint. Because here's a great example of what happens when you have uneducated ministers. Then again, he refers in this message (I listened to the whole thing in an effort to be fair to him) to attending a Bible college?

Your correct, that verse does require a bit of dictionary help to properly get the meaning. However a few brief comments on some of your words. At one point you said something to the effect of praying the Holy Spirit to give aid in interpretation. I wonder would that not be double inspiration? Did not some White guy make that a no-no? Another interested thing was the possibility David sinned by killing a large group of folks. It's an involved study but one finds all those groups God told the children to wipe out were carrying the DNA from the fallen sons of God who followed Satan.

So the Jews/Hebrews we're committing heresy when they believe in one God?... Even if that God told them that he was the only God?... And tell them that he knew of no other gods?

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

No.

@jimhughes1070

Жыл бұрын

@@markwardonwords then maybe clarify the "ancient heresy" remark

@markwardonwords

Жыл бұрын

@@jimhughes1070 I have a feeling you've been around this argument for a while. The next move from the trinitarian is to say that the Jews were responsible for the revelation they were given. Alert Jewish Bible interpreters would have been primed for the doctrine of the Trinity, however, because of the little clues in Genesis 1 and elsewhere. I'm not really here to debate trinitarianism, however. I'll let you have the last word!

@jimhughes1070

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@@markwardonwords I'm not opposed to the conversation.... The problems I have with trinitarian thinking are only few.... With the exception of those who read plane scripture, and then declare that they may are saying exactly the opposite of what the words describe... That type of blind hubris no longer draws me in as was the case in my youth (31 yrs of age)... When I was prideful and ignorant 🤣... However, "these" days, every imaginable corrupt doctrine is online... So at the outset of discourse one can never be sure what "type" of three-headed deity is going to be the object of discussion... Regardless, how about those Hebrew scholars? If the idea that Hebrew scholars have figured out their God is actually three gods?... Kind of makes me wonder about the illiteracy that must have existed in the original Hebrew scholars that penned the words, ... At the behest of God Almighty of course... At your convenience sir...

@rozznel8692

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@markwardonwords

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A good guess!

If it is heresy to believe Deuteronomy 6, John 1, Matthew 28, etc. then we are all heretics.

How about turning the one Creator into a three-headed God? If one is going to indict whole denominations... One should be a little more thick skinned

@markwardonwords

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The entire orthodox tradition indicts whole denominations-because the Bible does.

@jimhughes1070

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@@markwardonwords probably wasting my time but we can't give up... Much of the Bible condemns what much of the world calls "orthodoxy"🙏... Sorry

And I agree with you... Achish wasn't interested in hearing what kind of roads or construction activities David was up to... if we read from the KJV.... And Achish said, Whither have ye made a road to day? And David said, Against the south of Judah, and against the south of the Jerahmeelites, and against the south of the Kenites. you will notice that the KJV does not use the word "OR".. it uses the word "AND".... this is an important factor in this verse... as it helps us to understand.. basically Achish was asking David.. what progress.. he had made today... or in other words.... what was he up against..? or what had David been doing to help the Philistine cause today?....and David explained himself... I have been busy.. this "against".. Is in regards to fighting.. and so we see David is proving his loyalty to this Philistine... king.. by bragging how he fought against these enemies of the Philistines... remember David.. was only pretending to be oneo f them to gain their protection.... he could not very well say he had been shaking hands with the enemies of the Philistines ... could he...?..