Police Officer: Sir, would you please come down from the tree? Shad: NO! You're just gonna yell at me. Police Officer: Sir, you can't shoot arrows from the tree in the public park.

@AxxLAfriku

2 жыл бұрын

I like people with long brain. I have long amount of disl*kes btw. Why? Maybe people with short brain disl*ke because jealous of my long amount of subscr*bers. Please have long brain, dear ta

@caseydubois3645

2 жыл бұрын

I don't remember hearing this version of Zacchaeus and the Sycamore tree in Sunday School...

@Mythriak_

2 жыл бұрын

@@caseydubois3645 very famous in Australia

@BigVince80bce

2 жыл бұрын

@@AxxLAfriku like honestly dude grow some braincells

@peterwall8191

2 жыл бұрын

*Tadicuslegion78* Shadlands! Privately owned by out host. search the channel, there 's a video about the topic.

In today's D&D session: Shad comes to terms with being a human fighter.

@aka-47k

2 жыл бұрын

shad would be that guy: i want to wear my big sword on the back, warbow on the shoulder, 2 machetes and yes its fine!

@BAGELMENSK

2 жыл бұрын

As my friend always says: I disarm you, I shove you to the ground, I grapple you.

@oldcrow6752

2 жыл бұрын

A jiu-jitsu orc

@skyeshi3570

2 жыл бұрын

@@BAGELMENSK *this is why you cast fist*

@wrongthinker843

2 жыл бұрын

@@aka-47k Bringing that big stick energy!

Graceful Feminine Archer is actually kinda a funny trope when you consider their back and shoulder muscles are probably more defined than some melee fighters XD

@HTWW

2 жыл бұрын

BRICC BACC! Degenerate or wholesome? You decide!

@42Mrgreenman

3 ай бұрын

Only if they have HUGE...tracts of land...to build those muscles, which would smack them across the chops every time they drew and released the thing...LOL...

A Mongol-style short recurve, including with a thumb-ring, is ideal. Partly 'cos the draw stance and movement is different as it is designed to be done from horseback. And those bows can be in the same draw weight range as a longbow.

@reybladen3068

2 жыл бұрын

@Paul Gauthier and if we look at tribes who live and fight in the jungles, they use short bows, short swords, and short spears so they can move around much easily. They also put poison on their weapons so even if a jungle archer only shot you in the leg or arm, you're fucked.

@kuwanger12

2 жыл бұрын

You wouldn't be able to pull long bow draw weights from horseback regardless of the construction of the bow. You can't brace your feet

@alexanderhood8993

Жыл бұрын

@@kuwanger12 have you heard of native American and the mongol they specialize in horseback archery.

@ethanatkins1973

Жыл бұрын

@@alexanderhood8993 Horse bows average 90lb - 120 lb compared to warbow 135lb - 160lb. It has to be said that being able to draw / aim / shoot from a horse is incredible and that the draw weight is probably less necessary when you can hit and run. Not sure if the design of a bow changes how much one can draw as the mechanic should be similar. So the horseback part is just a lot more skill involved but likely a lot less focused on the draw weight. Heaviest Mongol warbow was 166lb, but I couldn't find out if that was used on horseback specifically or if it just happened to be a Mongol warbow.

@Riley_Mundt

4 ай бұрын

​@@kuwanger12The ability to brace your feet is why the Mongols invented the stirrup.

You make a good point about mobility. Around here most bow hunting is done with an elevated position be it in a tree or a structure. Many people (not me) even if they are using modern compound bows do pull a bow of 80 age to 100 lb. The difference is that deer, elk, and even bears don't shoot back. That's where I think elves and fantasy have the advantage. They can run along branches and do legolas acrobatics crap from tree to tree maintaining mobility in three dimensions while the enemy is restricted to two

@andrewli6606

2 жыл бұрын

I figure elves with their inhuman accuracy might also be able to get away with lower poundage bows by aiming for weak spots like eye holes or something.

@adrigl3371

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewli6606 Makes sense, be it a human, a orc, a bear or even a dragon, all of them share some squishy parts, that could be exploited.

@evilcanofdrpepper

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but you need to have the skills of a trapeze artist to do that so even in elves I think only the elite fighters could be allowed to have that ability and in areas with extremely dense forests. Trees fight for light so they don't put branches big enough to support your weight close to another trees branch of that size. You are talking about leaping 10-15 feet from one balance beam to another. The springyness will absorb the impact of the landing but it will also absorb much of the force of the initial jump.

@dragon723.

2 жыл бұрын

Elves also often build nests/ hidden platforms for watchers, its not always a random tree,

@thejoyfullad970

2 жыл бұрын

@@evilcanofdrpepper if we are talking about the tolkien version of elves (modern) then yeah most of their soldiers would be able to

It's interesting how this is also evident in history: indigenous cultures that developed in geographical areas characterized by thick forest, for example, tropical rainforests, tended to use shortbows with significantly lower poundage than European longbows and crossbows, and even central Asian composite recurve bows, for that matter. The thick vegetation would not only impede the drawing of longer, more powerful bows, but also drastically reduce the range at which combat, even ranged combat, would occur, thereby reducing the need for poundage of bows as powerful as longbows and crossbows. Add to this the fact that various tribes native to tropical rainforests also developed blowguns, javelins and darts to a significantly greater degree than they developed archery, and we could find sources to add more variety to what we arm fantasy forest elves and rangers with.

@MrHodoAstartes

2 жыл бұрын

The availability of poison and armor also changes things a lot. If you have lots of poisonous/venomous animals that you can use for hunt or war, a blow dart is all you need to deliver the poison. Naturally, without plate armor, or even any iron, the necessity for heavy bows isn't there at all. I have been working on a fantasy setting of "monstrous" races and the largest military threat were centaurs, whose heavy cavalry was the terror of the plains. So naturally the harpies of this setting needed a weapon to fight a mobile, heavily armored enemy with long lances. And my solution was a kind of harpoon. A heavy short spear with a needle-like, weighted tip to be dropped in what amounts to dive bombing runs. Which would be very lethal on a hit, but also limit the amount of fighting they would do before flying back to one attack run.

@FantinWisod

2 жыл бұрын

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@powerist209

2 жыл бұрын

I keep reminded of a demonstration in an Anthopology book where one of the last native tribe member showed his short bow before a white man stepped in to show power of civilization by using his long bow, which native explained how inefficient it would be in woodlands before being scoffed off.

@TheZinmo

2 жыл бұрын

Imo there is no real "ranged combat" with bows in jungle or really heavy woodland. Its all hand-to-hand, mostly skirmisches and raids.

@Vlad_Tepes_III

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheZinmo The term ranged combat is used to refer to any kind of combat with projectile weapons. Even a thrown rock is an example of ranged combat. The term is used to distinguish it from melee or hand-to-hand combat, which includes both barehanded combat as well as armed combat using melee weapons.

>Shad subconsciously rants and rages at media when portraying bows wrong Welcome to the club, as a Firearms Instructor and competitive target shooter, movies and TV have been utter garbage ever since learning my skills and hobby.

@AA-vr8ve

2 жыл бұрын

One clip: I have infinite amounts of ammunition until the climax of the show and I'm empty Suppressors: BOOM BOOM turn pew pew

@UMSLdragon

2 жыл бұрын

As a pilot and sim-fighter pilot I have the same problem in movies and shows.

@Aethuviel

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know anything about firearms, but my #1 gripe in any movie where bullets are present, is when the bullet hits the target with SUCH FORCE he is THROWN BACKWARDS SEVERAL METERS. Instead of, you know, the bullet going clean through. Silly me.

@rubythroat2258

2 жыл бұрын

ABSOLUTELY! All of it - skills, equipment and with languages: as a Russian speaker, the marvel movies, etc. are just HORRIBLE!! I completely get it if a non native actor/actress is reading the lines and it isn't perfect... but why not hire actual speakers for those background 5 second characters? Use people who know and have already developed these skills (language,combat,etc.) needed to make quality and more believable productions.

@cykeok3525

2 жыл бұрын

Bows, firearms, swords, hand-to-hand combat, non-native languages, aircraft, etc.. Movies have people who don't know anything about the subject material, making media for an audience who doesn't know anything about the subject material. Actually, addendum.. not only do they not know, they don't care. That's why the majority of it ends up looking like for anyone who bothers to look.. and for the handful of filmmakers who bother to look for experts to ensure it looks right, the filmmaker's attention to detail is praised.

I don't know Shad, I wouldn't wanna mess with a fantasy elf wielding a 30lb bow AT ALL. I don't care how heavy my armor is. They can fire 5 arrows to my 1 arrow from a 150lb bow with pin point accuracy, and all while hopping from branch to branch like a squirrel who became one with the Matrix.

@konohahurricane07

2 жыл бұрын

@@JohnSmith-ty2he The one arrow will guaranteed miss and all 5 will hit weak spots.

@bakedgoods7116

2 жыл бұрын

@@JohnSmith-ty2he Elves usually have supernatural grace and agility, they'd be like elite ballerinas crossed with olympic level gymnasts, if they're not straight up dodging your arrows then they'd always be out of your firing line, moving around while shooting. Freaking knife-ears.

@dragoonofdarkness1826

2 жыл бұрын

@@JohnSmith-ty2he 10% more really? Look at drizzt do'urden, he would be jumping backflips on the tree avoiding arrows, how i know that? He has already done it.

@edwardpaulsen1074

2 жыл бұрын

One of the bigger overlooked failures id the insistence on a "Kill shot" and the "Impermeability" of armor... Armor has gaps for mobility and opening to see and breathe... more complexity to try and cover required articulation and movement drives up the cost to far outside mere mortals... therefore well placed shots can incapacitate if not kill... someone who has very high accuracy can exploit those weaknesses to great effect... next is that you did not always have to kill with the one shot... An arrow to the face or in an articulation point is going to limit any accuracy or power with the afflicted limb if not completely nullify the ability to draw and fire or possibly wield a weapon, and you cannot aim or deflect what you cannot see... allowing for an opportunity to get in for the real "kill shots"...

@ailurusfulgens1849

2 жыл бұрын

@@JohnSmith-ty2he In D&D whatever you're shooting at very much might be capable of deflecting arrows with it's bare hands if not throwing them back at you in the process, so who cares really.

"This bow is for kids or intermediates" "Ah, so even kids can pull them?" "No, I meant the target range"

@manfredconnor3194

2 жыл бұрын

If they run they are bad kids. If they stand still they are clever enemy kids.

I really enjoyed this one, experimenting with ideas and exploring this sort of thing in practise is great to see!

@amberfuller16

2 жыл бұрын

yeah I mean this is just awesome

@matthewdaniel6045

2 жыл бұрын

Whats the status on that mule

@arkenarikson2481

2 жыл бұрын

That has been quite enlightening! Thanks a lot, Shad! I'll put that knowlege to good use if I get around to sketching again or ever write a book. And if all that fails, at least I'll be able to use it as interresting facts to share in conversations. :)

@webmonkey44

2 жыл бұрын

i believe this would qualify as experimental archeology

@Eyes7770

2 жыл бұрын

Could you shoot a bow laying on your back?

The image of the crouching elf showed they had a short bow. Remember that medieval archers practiced for hours every day drawing, aiming and firing, developing their muscles for that kind of activity. That's another thing fantasy doesn't touch on.

Depends on the mythology, some elves are weaker and some stronger. I found this from Tolkien, (about Legolas), someone quoted: "He was tall as a young tree, lithe, immensely strong, able swiftly to draw a great war-bow and shoot down a Nazgul, endowed with the tremendous vitality of Elvish bodies, so hard and resistant to hurt that he went only in light shoes over rock or through snow, the most tireless of all the Fellowship" I love these demonstrations!

I was half expecting a Wilhelm scream coming from wherever you shot at in the intro.

@Soinetwa

2 жыл бұрын

that would be linybeige

@Kenicavus

2 жыл бұрын

Such missed opportunity

Shad, I'm writing a comic about a ranger-ish kind of character who wants to take down a giant monster that lives in a jungle. One of the plot is her realizing her regular hunting bow won't be strong enough to hurt the monster, so she tries using a heavy war bow owned by a really buff dude to shoot the monster from a tall tree, but fails in all sorts of awkward ways. This video helps me visualize the story, so thanks!

@pegasBaO23

2 жыл бұрын

What are the odds

@Grizzlox

2 жыл бұрын

I'd love the climax to be about her outsmarting the situation

@AlexSlesh

2 жыл бұрын

The question I got, is why this "really buff dude", who owns a war bow (is he a warrior?), doesn't want to shoot the monster himself and be a hero? Is he a coward? Injured? Something else? No need to answer me here, I just hope you have a logical explanation of this.

@als3022

2 жыл бұрын

Love this kind of brainstorming.

@kakashihatake326

2 жыл бұрын

Hunter dude who wants to hunt some beast in the jungle with a bow Is it Markus Wulfhart?

Once again, Shad proving that he's the best person to do that. Every other enthusiast would just say "this is bullshit" and stop at that.

Your quandary on whether you'd be a knight or a ranger was interesting and hilarious! Though the obvious question is: why not multi-class?

@marley7868

2 жыл бұрын

fighter with decent dex the rest can be explained by base stats

@thekaxmax

2 жыл бұрын

Don't need to. Get knight, give bow.

@mikado_m

Жыл бұрын

@Paul Gauthier sounds like a great solution for you, so maybe leave the dnd enjoyers in peace

I never imagined forrest elves needing high power bows on their home turf. Using hit and run tactics and the trees as cover whilst maintaining contact with the enemy means you choose your battles. You don't need to kill their heavily armoured knights, you can avoid those and kill everyone else, cut theor line of supply and do not offer actual battle.

@jakemarsh8967

2 жыл бұрын

My thing is it's not just gonna be bowmen. So the archers pick off the enemy archers or lightly armored footmen whole the elves with spears and stuff surround the knights.

@mostafamohy8494

2 жыл бұрын

The enemy would notice this and then the armored knights will escort the supply wagons, or even they will give them better armor.

@sayerglasgow115

2 жыл бұрын

@@mostafamohy8494 If the enemy is doing this then the harassment attacks have been highly successful in forcing them to massively extend their resources to protect their entire supply line.

@jakemarsh8967

2 жыл бұрын

@@sayerglasgow115 yeah and if the enemy has enough money to equip caravan guards with all plate armor to get around that then the Elves are screwed anyways xD

@sayerglasgow115

2 жыл бұрын

@@jakemarsh8967 Yea kinda hard to plan a strategy around defeating a hypothetical enemy capable of fielding an infinite number of the costliest and most powerful weapons of the time.

I'm glad you covered the idea of dropping down the poundage of bow as that's where my mind immediately went when you were looking at the difficulties of aiming downwards. It would make sense for an adventurer to have different bows if they were working for a guild, perhaps taking out different poundage dependant on the terrain they would be traversing.

Lesson learned here: If you're an elf in a tree, set up your kill zones far enough away from your hiding spot that you don't throw your back out trying to aim down. Which seems like it'd be a bit awkward in thick forests...

I don't know, I think most of this is based on the assumption that the archer would be using a warbow. Use of a lower weight bow would allow for a lot of these actions you're attempting, while not necessarily breaking the immersion for me. The ideal archers from historical fantasy aren't after the most powerful shots, and the fantasy is more about the mobility and the accuracy, for which a lower weight bow is just fine. For reference, sure, legolas uses a tiny bow, but he also doesn't aim to penetrate any thick hide or plate armour with it in the films. He's always aiming for the gaps in the armour, or the Oliphants eyes, or the nape of the cave troll's neck, which can be done with a lower weight bow without these concerns. Also, a counterpoint about being stuck in the one tree, elves are often depicted as running among the branches or different trees like squirrels do, so being stuck in one tree wouldn't be an issue for them in their densely forested homes.

@thekaxmax

2 жыл бұрын

That's his point. Want to use a useful-poundage bow, be constrained in trees

@ajrey8457

2 жыл бұрын

I have to agree even in a non fantasy setting you had Mongolians shooting bows and killing people on horse back with small bows as well as Japanese archers using longer bows; accurately from horse back. So, shooting from a tree mmmh. Add fantasy stuff to it for all we know elves were so entuned with nature even the wood from their bows may make it easier for them to draw.

@MrChickennugget360

2 жыл бұрын

In LOTRs it is specifically stated that Legolas has a light bow initially- (he uses it first to shoot wolves outside of Moria that attack and later mentions shooting two Orcs in the throat in Moria) so neither is hit in armored parts. Later he gets a full sized War Bow in Lorien which he later uses at Amon Hen, Helm's Deep, Pelinor Fields and the Black Gate. (he also shot a Naz-gul's fell beast out of the sky while the company was going down the great river in boats)(while in the dark no less) So he uses a low poundage bow for early parts and a high poundage bow later on.

@kikixchannel

Жыл бұрын

@@ajrey8457 Um...There are people that shoot bows with their feet. Even when riding a horse. Accurately. Then there's a myriad of bow types. Eventually Shad did reach the conclusion that effective shooting from a tree is very much doable though, so yeah. It's not like there's much to nitpick here since he DID reach the correct conclusion. That's research. What you first start with doesn't necessarily need to be correct, but experimenting reaches the end eventually.

@ajrey8457

Жыл бұрын

@@kikixchannel been a while since i posted but i do believe i reacted quickly in the vid.

In Legolas' defense, he tends to hit his targets where they don't have armor. In the cases where the target is unarmored, just beefy, he tends to aim a little more, perhaps to hit a weak point. So maybe his less powerful bow is still useful?

@xXAkirhaXx

2 жыл бұрын

Also, elves are either very light and average strength, or fairly strong and average weight. So they may be able to draw bows more efficiently because of that. Not to mention, they probably use magic materials to craft their arrows and bows allowing them to shoot farther or some shit.

@drigondii

2 жыл бұрын

Meanwhile that Uruk that killed Boromir was using a war bow

@albertocruzado2899

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. It is establish that an elf is more or less on a peak human level. Great reflexes, athletic, etc.

@vitaliyred622

2 жыл бұрын

@@albertocruzado2899 they are so much more powerful than normal humans, Legolas could literally run for like a day without rest. Just a peace of cake. Elves in LotR were so op they had to be nerfed.

@thalmoragent9344

2 жыл бұрын

@@xXAkirhaXx Yeah, probably very well crafted bows, given they use them so often in many fantasy stores

High poundage recurve is the way to go here. With the classical wood elf fantasy, they'd very much favor slightly lower poundage to standard warbows if they were to shoot from trees. Fits with the typically lithe builds you usually see.

@rainsmith4460

2 жыл бұрын

👆🏾

@Candoran2

2 жыл бұрын

Also, the images he showed in the first couple minutes were all recurve bows.

@TSBoncompte

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, plus it feels elvish to use thinner, pointier arrows to compensate, but still you need to be able to put some decent amount of energy into the arrow, not 30lbs

@joshpotter9261

2 жыл бұрын

Elves are lithe, but they are considerably strong.

@meanczechguy1043

2 жыл бұрын

does solve only a small amount of issues tho - you basically get stuck on stuff less often, but you still need proper body position to draw it and cant cover wide angle

13:45 multiclassing in mind, I think you could make a decent paladin/ranger, especially with your faith, and your commitment to truth. edited because original wording sounded rude in hindsight

@AA-vr8ve

2 жыл бұрын

YES

@fortidogi8620

2 жыл бұрын

Paladin-ranger is one of the hallmark meta builds of Pathfinder, one of the two most widely played tabletops in the world. Youre in a good spot.

@commanderbacon6426

2 жыл бұрын

Oh wow, I didn’t think about that. A Paladin ranger makes a lot of sense.

@thekaxmax

2 жыл бұрын

D&D4 has the Seeker, a divine-powered archer. Or, play a game that's not classed like D&D is, like Shad's own system.

Learned some interesting things on drawing heavy war bows. The most I've drawn was about 100 pounds, and that was a straight pull. I tried a 125 pound bow once, was able to get to my chin on a straight pull. Maybe I'll try your posture trick with my 80 pound Mongol style bow sometime and see how that works out.

The angled shooting is probably also why compound bows have become so popular in hunting. With a compound bows mechanism you can pull say 80 lb and hold that 40 or something (Don't know the real numbers since I don't own one, just used a friend's a couple times, but the letting off at full draw is dramatic)

@rileyfahl9787

2 жыл бұрын

With compound bows the let off is usually 75-80% with my 65lb compound the let off weight was 15lbs

@Lucitt13

2 жыл бұрын

I have a 60# compound with a let off of 80%. Once fully drawn I just have to hold 12#. A lot easier to aim in different directions and hold that aim.

@xidarian

2 жыл бұрын

There are modern compounds with 90% letoff

@daveansell1970

2 жыл бұрын

There must be a way to shoot down with a war bow, because there was a lot of shooting down from a fortifications in the medieval period.

@rileyfahl9787

2 жыл бұрын

@@daveansell1970 yes but these were also on flat, stable walls with cover to protect the archer

Shad plays a game, "THAT'S NOT HOW YOU DRAW A BOW!" Shad watches a movie, "WHERE ARE THEY GETTING THIS? THAT'S A HORRIBLE BOW DRAW!" Then realizes he has a subject to tackle, "THIS is proper bowmanship!"

Shad really needs to get a high weight recurve bow. I'd love to see the same experiments done with one just due to the form-factor difference. Though admittedly it wouldn't be practical in the many fantasy settings that are just re-skinned England for the same reason England went with the longbow in reality.

@thekaxmax

2 жыл бұрын

a properly-made ash bow is effectively a recurve cos of the material composition. But a shorter woods bow made the same way a longbow is would be the thing.

@DSlyde

2 жыл бұрын

@Paul Gauthier you're not wrong that i framed it too much in the military setting by limiting it to the longbow specifically, but England as a whole, military and civilian, heavily favored self-bows that tend towards straighter profiles because of the effect of humidity and moisture in general on the glues of the era used in composite bows ( which most of the classic recurve bows tend to be, especially war bows). The English Longbow itself "cheats" by being a self-bow made on a natural boundary in the wood where a natural composite exists, but again that limits the profiles you can use to the straighter ones.

I'm so happy that he wasn't really on a huge tree, I feel like that could have gone bad fast not to mention the climb GG shad

Poison and a light recurve bow + 500 years of athletics training would be sufficiently deadly. The longbow in trees is like using a zweihander in a small alley.

@TheManofthecross

2 жыл бұрын

true but pikes can work in that area but not in house fighting.

@whitefang6877

2 жыл бұрын

Not really, it doesn’t matter how poisonous an arrow is if you can’t get through the armor also No matter how strong you are the arrow gets its power from the bows strength not yours The only point of you being strong is it so you Can actually draw a powerful Bow

@Verbose_Mode

2 жыл бұрын

@@whitefang6877 - I think it still works. We're not talking a 40-pound bow, like a 70-90-pound bow. You don't need the longbow's 8+ inches of penetration, you need an inch or two to introduce poison.

@IntoxicusFreeman

2 жыл бұрын

What kind of bows did the Mongols use?

@chrisstarkey1278

2 жыл бұрын

@@IntoxicusFreeman recurve compound bows

Things I've learned: (DnD framing) -Firing from a tree counts as firing while mounted, composite longbows and shortbows only. -Firing from a crouch is fine but can limit your angles. -Like in real life, firing from awkward positions requires lighter poundage bows, reduce maximum strength bonus to damage. -When firing a bow, it looks like the lowest angle you can get at full power if -45 degrees, and probably a to hit penalty. Drop a point or two of damage bonus from strength, and you can almost do hollywood aiming. And a reminder from Lindybeige, Yggrite is the strongest person in the universe. But her bow really needs maintenance before it snaps.

@LyamWitherow

2 жыл бұрын

You should get increased critical chance and increased crit damage since armor is not designed for the angles that they'd be hit by, and a successful hit would be even more devastating. Depending on if it is a person, you should get a better or worse chance of hitting them. Being above might also allow the shooter to be physically closer when firing the first shot. On the other hand the angle makes the person a slightly smaller target, so maybe it balances out.

@pRahvi0

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think you're supposed to fire a bow. It's not a firearm. You just shoot. Otherwise seems legit.

@GuitarsRockForever

2 жыл бұрын

@@pRahvi0 Fire arrow, not fire arrow. 😁

@judjementine

2 жыл бұрын

@DaBomb8493 bow damage is dex in 5e but 3.5 and pathfinder use strength for all weapon damage bonuses. the minimization of strength's importance as a stat is actually one of my biggest problems with 5e, dex is just straight up better. dex gives damage for dex weapons, gives initiative, gives dodge bonus, and acrobatics is often counted to be able to do most anything an athletics check can (jump that chasm or climb that pipe? well obviously the rogue can use acrobatics to do that as he's a burglar and can thus somehow finesse and twirl his way past them even though those are athletic tasks). the only points in strength's favour is you can carry more, wear plate, and 2d6 weapons are strength only.

@Nempo13

2 жыл бұрын

Ah, no. You can shoot down at full power if you are using a recurve cavalry bow or short bow in general. Tower defenders even had slits that allowed them to shoot at angles as low as 5-10% (assuming 0% is straight down). The string will propel the arrow just fine without worry on it falling and ruining the shot. Yes, you will NEVER get that shot with a longbow. Crouching also depends on your bow and how you use it. If you are comfortable firing from the inside accurately you can shoot from crouches and angles very well. However, this requires training to shoot the bow this way. Someone that shoots on the outside cannot simply shift the arrow to the inside and be as accurate, vice versa applies as well here. In regards to "damage" know what the difference is from a 75lb short war bow to a 110lb war longbow? Not a damn thing. Both will punch through armor just fine, and honestly the short bow will do it faster and more reliably. Longbows are slow to fire precisely because of how you have to draw them to get full power. The difference is the distance they are effective which D&D already takes into account with ranges. The ranges you will be pulling trick shots like shooting from a tree? The short bow is far more effective due to speed of fire, both bows are deadly in those ranges but the longbow is slower to fire repeatedly. Only thing I fully agree with on your list is that you should treat using a bow from a tree as mounted in regards to usable bows.

Shad, you’re a fighter. There’s literally no doubt…

Fascinating. I love the combination of realism and fantasy in this video. Well done as always, Shad!

I've always imagined that in these fantasies settings where people are shooting from tree that they using composite, recurve, or short bows

@Nempo13

2 жыл бұрын

Recurve, all the power in a smaller bow. Takes more maintenance though.

Shad when taking his war bow stance: “I HAVE THE POWER!!!”

These videos are so useful and thought provoking, having a story in a medieval fantasy setting makes this so interesting.

Great video! An intriguing point about shooting down from the trees is that the same problems should apply to shooting down the walls... And coincidently that's also precisely where MACHICOLATIONS come into play: to give defenders cover. But I gather that the bows would still need to have lesser poundage, and that's interesting.

@kenwalker5384

2 жыл бұрын

I think it more likely that , in a castle, one would be using a stack of pre-loaded crossbows, which would present no such problems with depressed angles of fire.

I was going to say "shad you need a shorter bow." Then you pulled one out and I was like well darn what a coincidence.

I really appreciate this deep discussion of shooting a bow on a tree. It opens up discussion that what bow or what technique is optimal to shoot than what is ideally fantasies. Maybe a crossbow on top of tree can give better angle and accuracy due to mechanical advantage?

@rainbowrhe7350

2 жыл бұрын

crossbows are awesome :)

@raderith

2 жыл бұрын

Reloading crossbow on a tree would be impossible

@openbordersforisrael

2 жыл бұрын

@@raderith "let me show you its features"

@vergiltheartofpower6616

2 жыл бұрын

How about a shortbow?

@xantishayde-walker4593

2 жыл бұрын

I would agree, with one caveat. A crossbow requires you to stand on the "Foot Hold" at the end of it to load it. That would probably be more difficult if you were up a tree. Unless it was a surprise attack and you were ok with either fighting normally after you jumped out of the tree or just ran away and hid.

Your knowledge and enthusiasm are fantastic!

This is so educational. Every DND DM should be required to watch your videos!

Speaking of the lack of maneuverability from a tree. During WWII Japanese snipers tried shooting from trees. Basically they got one or two shots off before being lit up. Also you would have to shoot down if you were standing on a wall or on a hill.

@Dramn_

2 жыл бұрын

German scouts often used fake trees as well which is funny, they'd put them way in the distance or awkward angles to look at and they'd sit inside hallow bits with rifles sometimes

@Riceball01

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dramn_ This was done by both sides during WWI and they would often pick out a specific tree sitting somewwhere near their trenches, create a copy of it, then remove the real thing at night and replace it with the copy. As for the Japanse snipers, it was knoiwn to be essentially a suicide mission. The snipers would, more often than not, tie themselves to the treees to help support themselves. They would also fire off as many shots as they coud until they were killed, they generally didn't follow standard the standar sniper pracitce of only firing off a shot or two before before displacing and findind a new hiding spot.

@topogigio7031

2 жыл бұрын

I hire my bow standing from a tree all the time, what's wrong with your feet, fatties?

@scratchy996

2 жыл бұрын

About Japanese ww2 snipers in trees, I can speak from personal experience when I say that those guys were annoying AF in CoD.

@matthiuskoenig3378

2 жыл бұрын

warfare in ww2 is very different however, haveing the high ground is actually a negative in the age of machine guns, so reverse slope positions is infact the ideal replaceing it.

I'm curious about bows used in horse archery, being considerably more limited, how dangerous were they really? Thinking of the Mongolians and Japanese in particular.

@matthiuskoenig3378

2 жыл бұрын

different kinds of consctuction. different rules. the Mongolian bow is roughly as strong as a English warbow, its just higher maintaince in exchange for being smaller.

@b.h.abbott-motley2427

2 жыл бұрын

Based on Chinese-region officer exams, cavalry bows had about three-quarters the draw weight of infantry bows. So if strong archers drew 150-160lbs on foot, as seems to have been common, they'd use 112-120lb bows on horseback.

@adamjenkins7653

2 жыл бұрын

They were more commonly used as harassment, forcing the enemy to move defensively, maybe kill a few dozen or so.

@SethAbercromby

2 жыл бұрын

Mongolian bows were pretty uncommon in a lot of ways compared to medieval ones. Most notably, Mongols used much heavier arrows which limited the effective range some, but combined with the momentum of the horse gave them enough kinetic energy to supposedly puncture some thinner types of plate.

@Nempo13

2 жыл бұрын

I hunt with a recurve cavalry Hun bow. I find it incredibly easy to climb any random tree that has a comfortable balance point on it for me to stand and use it. 55-75lb draws on my bows. I drop a deer just fine with them. I punctured some idiot's F350 hood and into his engine with them just fine too. Those bows are VERY deadly, you just have to get slightly closer. Emphasis on slightly. EFFECTIVE range (meaning actually hitting what you are aiming at, not arrow volleys) between a longbow and cavalry bows is not that different I found. Yes, the longbow has a longer effective range, but you end up shooting far slower than you would with the cavalry bow. So what if you can hit a target an extra 20 feet out in an actual kill zone when the cavalry bow is dropping 3-4 to your 1-2? That is punching through armor even, do remember their are arrowheads designed for that, and it would limit even the longbow's distance severely to use them without an arc so they can actually hit a specific target.

That crouched outside draw moment just looked beautiful! Like it was straight from an artwork! At 25:45.

Very helpful video for what I'm writing! Gives a lot to consider.

"The elf rangers of the Shad Realm were not really effective at ambushing from the trees. Who would have thought that painfully shouting when drawing your war bow and getting tangled in branches were not good strategies?"

A better question is why would you want to imitate an elf? -every dwarf ever

So, the first thing we learned today is that there is a legit reason as to why we mostly see archers in trees shooting from smaller bows= to decrease the interference with branches

Well done shad! Great video and Subject!

13:45 Shad, in D&D you would be a battlemaster fighter. It's basically a fighter who studied his fighting techniques. And there are techniques you can use with a bow

@Makapaa

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking simply dual-class fighter (main)/ranger. Would prolly fit Shads' "I want the benefits of Ranger without being just a Ranger" better. Bow-Fighter - while possible - doesn't quite seem to fit the type. Wouldn't you just be an (Master) Archer at point?

@danilooliveira6580

2 жыл бұрын

if you don't care about spells and favored terrain stuff you can just be a fighter with a bow. and if you want the favored enemy and favored terrain to be more rangery, but don't care about the druid wannabe stuff, then you can be a fighter with a single level in ranger.

Elf draws a bow shad: imma examine this mans whole career

I really liked the aside where you ponder your class. Good stuff.

I love the cinematic reveal at the beginning, well done

I'd like to argue that elves can shoot with low poundage bows while maintaining a high degree of lethality. Being that many depictions of elves in fantasy portray them to have inhuman accuracy, it's not beyond belief that they can possibly hit weak points such as eye sockets consistently.

@ub3rfr3nzy94

2 жыл бұрын

Most depictions of elves in fantasy, they're just pointy eared humans. It's really just lotr where they are demigod level.

@Valsorayu

2 жыл бұрын

@@ub3rfr3nzy94 No? Unless you are talking about manga or anime...

@zaleost

2 жыл бұрын

@@ub3rfr3nzy94There are quite a lot of settings where they do give Elves a lot of advantages over humans, just not always to the same OP extent that they do in Lotr. In Warhammer for instance, the most powerful WoodElf archer units get an armour piercing effect to represent the fact that they can shoot so accurately at long range that they can perfectly hit the eye slits in a helmet.

@singularleaf3895

2 жыл бұрын

@@zaleost but they main difference between a human and a elf in most fantasy settings isn't that elves are better naturally then humans as much as they have dozens of years of experience for every one year a human has normally.

@KairuHakubi

2 жыл бұрын

@@ub3rfr3nzy94 MOST depictions of elves in fantasy are cute little forest children that play tricks.

Next: can you shoot 6 million rpm arrows from a tree like a hacker elf?

@Narinjas

2 жыл бұрын

Let me show you my features. (A-10 warthog gatling arows starts)

@lulapt2030

2 жыл бұрын

6 Million is a Far fetched number. 🤔

@jacklau2558

2 жыл бұрын

You mean Legolas

@friedrichwagner8716

2 жыл бұрын

Based!

@Cinkodacs

2 жыл бұрын

Should be apm (arrows/minute) :)

This intro was great shad! Made me chuckle

Im just done teading your novel... what a piece of uther...MAGNIFICENCE :) Read it in three days since I couldn't stop. Very good! I CAN'T wait to see the movie.

Interesting fact: Christopher Paolini's elves use shortbows. Due to the fact that they're so strong, the literally have to magically enchant the wood they make their bows from not to break after a few shots. Dwarves also use shortbows and are extremely strong, but they use horn bows. Elves are just vegan.

@tomosheax

2 жыл бұрын

a fellow paolini scholar

@davidspring4003

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomosheax ah, I see you, too, are a man of culture.

@someone-pz4dg

2 жыл бұрын

Paolini's books were the goat! It's a shame they never got a proper film adaptation.

@davidspring4003

2 жыл бұрын

@@someone-pz4dg have you read To Sleep in a Sea of Stars? It's, in my opinion, his best work yet.

@theguileraven7014

2 жыл бұрын

I always found “vegan elves” to be such a silly concept. Why would a culture place such emphasis on the bow if not because they hunters?

Imagine being a soldier, walking with his troops through the woods, and you just hear "GAAAAHHH!!!". Soldier: Take cover. There's an archer in the trees.

Would an adventure need a war bow? You can get a pass through on an Elk with a 50lb bow, modern day trad style hunting bows are 40lds to 70lb. 70lb+ is a special group of people. TV and Games like to show arrows stopping the minute they hit a human, a 60ld hunting bow with the proper arrow setup can break an Elks shoulder, the idea that the arrow wont pass through a human is quite laughable. You can shoot at those angles with a high power hunting bow, and many modern bow hunters hunt from tree stands. Also much of what you've said is only applicable to a long bow, a significantly shorter eastern horse bow would grant more mobility. Remember that Mongolian horse archers shot warbows from horse back. High power eastern bows were layered horn and sinew Kneeling don't squat to shoot low, it allows you to rotate your torso and engage you core properly Thumb draw on the outside keeps the arrow on the bow Shad I recommend looking into how modern bow hunters work, how we build our arrows the bows we choose and what an arrow does to flesh. Arrows don't dump their energy like bullets.

@astronot28

2 жыл бұрын

For a more extreme example of horseback archery in history check out Native American war tribes and more specifically the Comanches. While riding they could drop to the side of there horse hanging by there heel, and loose twenty arrows under the neck of there horse in the time it took a soldier to load and fire one round from a musket. Interesting side facts: John Coffee Hays and his band of Texas Rangers would later copy this strategy, to great effect, using Colt revolvers and from this position if a Comanches horse was shot down, he generally landed on his feet.

@JarieSuicune

2 жыл бұрын

MODERN bows? Seriously, did you even READ the title? Shad is talking about medieval-themed fantasy scenarios, not a time where you're an idiot if you are in a battle/war without a gun. And you seem to be conveniently forgetting that in those settings many/most targets are WEARING ARMOR. If you see a wild elk just mozying around with full plate, then maybe you'll make sense.

@vepristhorn8278

2 жыл бұрын

@@JarieSuicune So I'm going to assume your not a bow hunter and most likely not a trad archer, I'm also going to try and respond to this respectfully. So first historical horn and sinew eastern recurve bows rival the performance of modern recurve limbs for velocity, with the exception of maybe Uuhkaa's mono carbon limbs. What they lack is the consistency and speed of modern manufacturing technology. And as Shad noticed shorter bows are going to be the better choice in trees its why all modern hunting bows try to stay small, target bows get big because a longer bow is more forgiving. If you haven's seen Tod's Workshops video on English longbows, 160lbs in this case, vs plate then I recommend you watch it [kzread.info/dash/bejne/dnasxraklMeukag.html]. It shows that, at least at 160lbs, that a warbow is not going through plate, so worrying about going through plate is not part of this conversation. Addressing the Elk look up how thick an Elk's hide is and how big and tough an Elk's shoulder is, getting a pass through on an Elk is no small feat and breaking through an Elk's shoulder is a massive feat. An arrow that can do that is going to cause massive damage to a human. Speaking of damage archers aren't center mass shooters, we are vital shooters [you want to hit a vital with a bullet too but you have more wiggle room]. An arrow relies on bleeding or joint damage, you don't get knock down or expansion or fragmentation like you do from a bullet. When trying to kill something with an arrow you need to hit vitals to cause massive bleeding or in a fantasy combat setting disable your target, a tactic used by modern snipers actually, because if you disable but don't kill you've now taken the target out of the battle and who ever is trying to help them. An archer doesn't need to kill significant bleeding, a broken shoulder, a broken hip, a broken bone anywhere in the leg will do the trick and the target can be finished off later. Not to mention if you can reliably hit a heart you can hit a head. So I used the comparison to modern hunting bows to show you don't need warbow weights and if you don't believe me about the effectiveness of traditional materials then up to a 70lb or 80lb draw. Another aspect to consider is mobility as Shad demonstrated you have to be very anchored, full bodied anchored, to draw warbows, you can draw, set, aim, and release a lower poundage bow faster you can also strafe, slowly, at full draw if your core is strong enough to anchor you. This also addresses the shooting from the tree where you can't get a perfect stance, and if you add in a thumb draw then you significantly expand the angles that the archer can shoot from. Now for an adventurer I'd postulate that they would carry two bows, a hunting weight bow for normal use and a warbow for beefier foes or longer distance shots as well as a mix of arrows set up for different situation. Now I could go into a whole discussion about arrow building for penetration or silencing your bow to avoid pinpointing your location or alerting your enemy but I think that's going a bit overboard and this has gotten pretty long already.

@vepristhorn8278

2 жыл бұрын

@@astronot28 True and an excellent example of the effectiveness of lower weight bows, the American Indians did not use high draw weights they knew shot placement was more important.

It would be interesting to train specifically toward drawing and shooting from non-ideal postures.

Gotta be honest, I would've thought that Shad would be more of a Battle Master Fighter but I guess he's multiclassing now.

@eminententropy

2 жыл бұрын

Battle master fighters are one of the best archers in all of 5e

@AeronPrince

2 жыл бұрын

Nonsense! Battlemaster fighter but uses homebrew STR based Longbow and has his great sword ready. We already see him using maneuvers to command his "employees" ( okay guys! Wink three times if you need help, we'll get you away from the shad man)

Speaking of breaking immersion, I can't help but notice the modern shoes Shad is wearing. Totally ruins it for me... I'm totally joking! lol Just happened to notice right as he started talking about the lack of realism in movies. Love the channel and all your content Shad!

@gabrieldeoliveira7725

2 жыл бұрын

I see it too, I got distracted for a moment lol

@RhelrahneTheIdiot

2 жыл бұрын

ehhhhh don't worry about that it isn't breaking immersion, they're a pioneering new shoe type in that universe designed mostly for comfort over durability.

@jamescollier9196

2 жыл бұрын

The video medium of his content breaks my immersion. He should deliver me a scroll with a treatise on arboreal ranged combat by horse.

@gabrieldeoliveira7725

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamescollier9196 I know it's a joke about ImMeRsIoN, but that would be awesome actually.

@clothar23

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamescollier9196 Remember to tip your couriers people.

Nice video. One thing to note, when you're talking about a fantasy setting, you could potentially be dealing with a bow that makes it easier to draw... and possibly hold as well (ie: a magic compound bow.)

Great video. I'll keep that in mind.

to be fair an elf/ranger would have had years or in the case of the former centuries of practice to be able to shoot from trees effectively and in a couple of those pictures they were holding the bow horizontally, also elves are forest dwellers meaning they don't need a bow that can shoot across a field

@DavidisEepy

2 жыл бұрын

not to mention that magic tends to exist alongside elves, so it wouldn't be out of the question for elves or even rangers to incorporate magic-buffed arrows into the mix

@RichardLeslieWhereat

2 жыл бұрын

Centuries in the case of the þindar.

@dionjaywoollaston1349

2 жыл бұрын

@@DavidisEepy indeed, plus in the legolas picture the bow he was using resembled a mongolian bow which was primarily used from horseback

@Elehaya

2 жыл бұрын

And the elves of middle earth are stronger then human, therefore it would be easyer to draw a bow for them.

@megalamanooblol

2 жыл бұрын

@@dionjaywoollaston1349 That was my first though when the video started, horse archers face more or less the same issues as someone shooting from a tree, limited positioning and awkward body position for drawing, so one needs to look at the same solutions as historical horse archers arrived at. Mongols would be the most famous users I think.

I’m so proud that I essentially got Rick Rolled in the first 10 seconds of the video

I love the screams of strain man, and the discussion. Great video dude

I don't know where would be a better place to bring this up, Shad, but I get the feeling you would greatly appreciate a particular episode of an anime called Dragon Goes House-Hunting (namely episode 12), where they're in a castle and one character who is an elf goes over some historically accurate defensive features to it. You definitely came to mind when I saw said episode.

As others have pointed out, it is a pretty widespread, misinformed trope that bows are seen as the nimble weapons that require little physical exercion to use compared to something like a sword. Viewers of this channel know that it's actually the opposite, but most people don't know that and continue to believe in that trope...

@Ragniirox

2 жыл бұрын

Virgin knight vs Chad longbowman

@stephenjohn2131

2 жыл бұрын

@Ross Outdoors Try saying that to people that say bow is already overpowered just because the luxury of range in every game and in real life combat scenarios like shooting from safety while others engage toe to toe dueling with swords plus i also quote ranged is easy mode, braindead, tapping one button. There are definitely people who think the opposite of what you said whether it is fiction or reality. Which makes the OP's statement still stand. Whether or not they believe in fireball spells and whether orcs are real or not.

@rainsmith4460

2 жыл бұрын

The only worse trope is slicing shooting through gambeson chainmail brigandines and plate armor the third is charging in without ranks rather than fighting as a group and protecting yourself and each other in shield walls.

@adrigl3371

2 жыл бұрын

@Ross Outdoors Some things in fantasy can be believable if the person watching is ignorant about it, I have friends that are convinced to this day that bows can be easily drawn, that swords and armor are heavy and that Vikings were in the past exactly like they are portrayed by media nowadays.

@PenumbranWolf

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like this is a direct result of people misinterpreting Tolkien's elves. There are a large number of things that are just omited from later elven interpretations. Tolkein's elves are actually considerably physically stronger than men despite their litheness, so when Legolas draws a bow effortlessly I don't mind because by the lore who knows the draw strength of that bow. It could very well be much stronger than a standard human war bow. And it does make sense that elves wouldn't go for bows that they have to draw like a human would because of accuracy limitations at range, even with elven vision, and the fact that they would likely not need the all that poundage to be effective.

Shad Fact: Attempts to clone shad have failed as no container can hold his dna with out it shattering.

@spiceyicey

2 жыл бұрын

even his dna is thicc

@NecroAsphyxia

2 жыл бұрын

So anything that attempts to contain the shad will just .. SHAD-TER?

@EliotChildress

2 жыл бұрын

*shaddering ;)

Answers the question in the first 10 seconds, brilliant!

As cool as fantasy makes bows seem, I'm really enjoying seeing you demonstrate the proper drawing technique. Helps give a better feel for how much distance you're going for!

On shooting through brambles, it considered unethical for bow hunters to take shots when the target is obscured by branches. This is because the arrow can be easily deflected and can miss or wound the animal instead of killing it. Whether or not an adventurer would care about this I think would depend on how accurate they are trying to be.

@Samagryn

2 жыл бұрын

Also depends on the circumstances. Against an unaware target or an animal you're hunting, you'll probably try for a better shot. Against a charging/retreating monster, in the heat of a fight, you're probably gonna take the shot while you have it.

@ViolosD2I

2 жыл бұрын

Another advantage of not shooting into a bush is that it might not be an animal. :p

@dairoleon2682

2 жыл бұрын

@@ViolosD2I A large portion of adventurers' targets are not animals.

@vepristhorn8278

2 жыл бұрын

@@Samagryn An arrow doesn't fly straight, there is quite a lot of movement in their flight it is really easy for the arrow to be deflected

@ViolosD2I

2 жыл бұрын

Laughs in Artillery

What impact does firing from a wall, particularly at targets against the base of the wall, or tower have on bows? Might be an interesting continuation of this concept.

@richardheykant718

2 жыл бұрын

i was pondering that myself. Shooting at a enemy while in a siege situation usually means the defender is at a higher elevation to the attacker, and can only shoot at a flat trajectory up until they get too close. When that happens it would be very much like shooting from a tree (minus all the branches in the way) as the bow would strain you if you try to angle your aim down. This could prove why so many European nations stated to adopt the crossbow despite its clear disadvantages over a bow (low reload speed, cost of manufacture, etc.), especially since its use in defensive situations like a siege can help waylay some of these disadvantages (they also shoot at a more flat trajectory opposed to bows in general i believe). But then again, can you aim a crossbow downwards without losing the bolt? Cause a archer holds the arrow and stops it from falling, but with most crossbows it just lays on the top and could slide off. So what is everyone's thoughts on this, would bows be able to angle down while crossbows don't? Or does the bow pose its own disadvantages that make it hard to aim downwards? Be aware i am considering a war-bow of around 100 pounds, not compact bows of 70 or lower pounds.

@EliotChildress

2 жыл бұрын

@@richardheykant718 great point. I don’t think they would be trying to shoot through the helmets though. Even though that seems like the only feasible option when shooting through machicolations. I sincerely would love an expert opinion on this. Maybe machicolations were never used with bows. Only rocks and crossbows. Also yes you can hold a crossbow bolt onto the bow with your thumb pretty much until straight down.

@bookoo0193

2 жыл бұрын

At that point of the siege you'd be dropping heavy objects down and letting gravity do the rest. though I'd be interested on the angle in which a bow stops being effective. Or maybe having a different stance for shooting down or even mounting the bow to the wall and Drawing with both hands?

@Alpha.Phenix

2 жыл бұрын

Targets at the base of the wall? Why that's quite simple. MACHICULATIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONS!

@megalamanooblol

2 жыл бұрын

@@richardheykant718 Regarding the crossbows, I always thought that the reason they got adapted is more or less the same why guns got adapted when bows still could shoot farther more accurate and waaaay higher rate of fire, the reason is you can train a person to be reasonably deadly with it far far far easier than you can train archer.

23:52 Yes, you can shoot through the smaller twigs of the trees and the arrow will most likely carry on the the direction you are aiming without loosing much power. However, even hitting a small twig can deflect an arrow just a little bit. I think we might actually see this in Shad's shot at 24:28. That little deflection can cause you to miss your target even at a close range like 10 meters.

I think to work around this, elven archery should be considered a different skill than “human” archery (medieval Europe), so elves can’t really use human bows without training in them because they can’t really be used with elven archery techniques and vice Versa, humans (excluding rangers, humans and other races who train in *elven* archery) find elven bows too light and flighty to be used effectively with their archery techniques. Furthermore, elves could easily fire from trees (with elven bows) due to naturally being lighter and more agile than humans maybe. Just an idea :)

@jonathanh761

2 жыл бұрын

You don't need a work around, there is 0 reason for an adventurer to be using a warbow in 99% of situations. A 60lb is perfectly capable of killing everything up to a moose which will definitely include humans. The warbows were designed to giver archers maximum range on a large battlefield firing into large formations. That is the complete opposite of an adventurer. Firing most often at single targets at close range.

@bluepheonix2455

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanh761 I agree, I also thought the war bows were a bit much. I just meant a work around for the propensity for firing from trees/holding the bow at a weird angle that’s in fantasy lol :)

@michaelbalcom5233

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanh761 what poundage for a rhino or elephant to get some "monster" hide reference

@michaelbalcom5233

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanh761 I'm so terribly sorry I forgot the ultimate question " But what about Dragons?"

@8h8_illustrates

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelbalcom5233 no bow will work on dragons except one that no adventurer would be able to casually bring with them... But a shield and polearm, that would work.

Enemies carefully walking through the forest: Shad: "OOOOOOOGH!"

@techwizpc4484

2 жыл бұрын

I just pictured that in my head. Hahahah.

@dorianmichaelis1727

2 жыл бұрын

"Must've been the wind."

I suspect there is a more ergonomically sound way to aim a warbow down because of depictions of archers on castle walls who also need to fire at people below them.

@clothar23

2 жыл бұрын

Feudal artwork also depicts a inordinate amount of left hand swordsmen as well. So are we to assume left handed people were the majority back than as well ?

@jackccurbs

2 жыл бұрын

@@clothar23 Well the difference there is that the left-handedness would be for artistic convenience: to show the front sides of two opponents. On the other hand, it's illogical to assume that artists simply made up the idea of bows being fired downwards from a battlement -- so clearly it must have been in some sort of practice.

@clothar23

2 жыл бұрын

@@jackccurbs And I entirely agree. I am just saying you always have to take artwork with a grain of salt when it comes to such matters. As you're not aiming a war bow a straight 90 degrees downwards while leaning over a parapet. The human body is simply not built that way. Slightly less harsh angles are certainly possible to be fair though.

@jjtomecek1623

2 жыл бұрын

That said, you wouldn't have to balance yourself while shooting from atop a wall verses in tree limbs, so you could probably keep your muscles engaged better

@NinjaBearFilms

2 жыл бұрын

It’s ultimately about developing the proper muscle groups and repeated practice over time. Two things Shad clearly lacks and is using compensation techniques to overcome. And then arrogantly claiming the compensation techniques are used by all.

A lesson I've personally learned about Shad: Never feed him after second lunch. Ahaha All jokes aside, I love you, bro. I've learned so much, and I can't wait to see more!

Very interesting to see this shown in a realistic way

With the point of lowering poundage of the bow to draw it and aim down I’m curious what medieval castles would’ve used for siege defense at those downwards angles. I know crossbows and throwing rocks through machicolations were a thing so instead of lowering poundage wouldn’t an elf archer with a crossbow be better for firing from a tree? Could a crossbow be successfully reloaded from a tree?

@Franky_Sthein

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting to think about. A crossbow needs more muscle strength to reload, had one as a kid, nothing big but still with metal arms and a cable for the string. It was suprisingly hard to pull the string back, being only a toy. Imagine that instead of a toy you have one of these big hefty one that need a lever system or a foot loop. Migth work but is also slower and maybe more dangerous to you.

@Riceball01

2 жыл бұрын

Reloading a crossbow with a goat's foot lever might be possible, definitely one with a creank but those are usually larger crossbows and ones iwth removeable cranks would be rather fiddly for use in trees. But the ones where you put your foot in a sitrrup and pull on the string by hand alone, that would probably be near impossble unless you had some sort of platrform to stand on while doing so.

@Franky_Sthein

2 жыл бұрын

@@Riceball01 Thank you, I did not remember what they where called.

@Glimmlampe1982

2 жыл бұрын

Depends on the type of crossbow. In the holy roman empire, what is today Germany, mounted crossbow men were very popular. They used mainly those crossbows with metal gear mechanisms if I remember correctly. If you can shoot and reload those from the back of a horse, you can from a tree i guess

@northwiebesick7136

2 жыл бұрын

One of my relatives has a setup for easily drawing back a crossbow, albeit a more modern type of crossbow... From him I have learned many things, including the fact that if you have a foothold on the crossbow it makes it way easier, as you can pull it back with both hands, and also, if you have a crank or pulley type(or whatever types are available for ease of drawing) drawing mechanism, the drawing process can be made so much easier, with not too much more effort... Both these methods can slow you down, and technically, the crossbow in general could, when compared to the "small" fantastical elvish bows that people fantasize about... As it's as simple as nock, pull, aim, let go, as opposed to the extra step of pulling the trigger, and the cumbersome drawing process of a crossbow... However, all that said, I will say, that if you're not needing to machine gun arrows like Legolas does, and only want assassin-like strikes, then it might be better than a standard bow...

Elves in Lord of the Rings are pretty magical Beings. They can even run on Snow without sinking in. You can assume, that they have some kind of enchantment to keep their grace while using bows.

@jackccurbs

2 жыл бұрын

They are noted for having greater strength than humans -- so it's possible that elven bows have a ridiculously high poundage for their size, and elves draw them with ease.

@CognosSquare

2 жыл бұрын

Wait are you implying Shad does not have some kind of australian enchantment to keep his grace while using bows?

The only game that got bows right for me is Skyrim. The sound, the draw time, the bow arc, and the fact that it shakes if you keep it pulled is what made playing an archer so fun.

@Aethuviel

2 жыл бұрын

The bow shakes? :O I went in just now to check. Nothing happened, either on zoom or just normal draw. I have no archery-related mods. It is fun though. But I think the most realistic archery I've played (I don't own many games though) is theHunter Classic (basically a hunting simulator). The traditional bows are SO HARD. (And I'm in love with my crossbow.)

@duskanddawn8543

2 жыл бұрын

@@Aethuviel Actually the arrow shakes, my bad. And yeah, hunting games of course

perfect use of cinematography at the start

*"The trees! They're in the trees!"* ~that one Captain before being ambushed by incel Elvish women in the forests. (Don't mind me. I've been watching too many Baalbuddy comic dubs)

@ChristianNeises

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for confirming the correlation I’ve seen as well.

“The war bow is a different beast. [Crikey. What a beauty.] “ Strong Irwin vibes here.

@greyngreyer5

2 жыл бұрын

"Different beast" is a figure of speech, just in case you didn't know.

Awesome video idea!

I do like the fantasy theme of your current videos (need to watch the ranger one). Currently trying to figure out a real world equivilent of the Aldori Dueling Sword in pathfinder so these are very helpful to get a real idea of how long things are (we don't use feet and most pictures are just the sword but you show them in context so I can get an idea of length).

makes me appreciate Mount & Blade's bows becoming less accurate the longer you pull it back

@TerribleScroll

2 жыл бұрын

Mount and Blade tries to keep realistic while also being fun to someone who dont appreciete realism in games

@carsonaswell2809

2 жыл бұрын

@@TerribleScroll Realism is always fun to a certain degree. Most people play games to escape real life

@TerribleScroll

2 жыл бұрын

@@carsonaswell2809 yes but some people prefer games with either none or the bare minimum realism

12:19 Now, if only there was a device that would allow you to hold the bow drawn with something other than back muscles... ** Enter Jörg and Instant Legolas. **

Shad kneeling back to shoot the bow looked as cool as any movie bowman leaping though the trees. I want to see more of that.

You should make a whole series about this, shad shooting from in a tree, shad shooting from on a canoe, shad shooting while sliding down an elephant trunk. Oh also, shad shooting while skiing.

I've tried this before, it is easier to do with a shortbow, also, during my experiments I found that if an arrow in flight touches any small branch it will affect the trajectory dramatically.

@80krauser

2 жыл бұрын

Same with bullets. Even heavy slugs will keyhole, that it turn sideways, after only a glancing hit of something. You’d be lucky to get a rough hit past 20 feet. Clean prepared shooting lanes are a must.

definitely not stealthy either, when youre screaming in agony every time you draw the bow

@George-sv1fm

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, that comfortable limit of 100-105 pounds bs annoyed me too.

@princesseville6889

2 жыл бұрын

Great suprise to have a "hnnngh" come from the trees - assassinstion ruined lol.

Thanks for making the point that powerful shooting requires powerful pulling, i.e. overcoming resistance from the bow. I learned in the wilds of South Korea, where it was mountainous and forested, with soil full of rocks; any equipment that stuck out had to be oriented properly for getting through branches and leaves without getting caught, and any errant shot was sure to either break on a rock or get lost in grasses or leaves.

If you are looking for a game with more realistic bow drawing animations, I think the animation when shooting a bow in Solasta: Crown of the Magister looks pretty nice!

the main benefit of being in a tree is to see and maybe shoot at the target with greater range - if you miss they should not be able to return fire so easily, and then you can move or hide - but of course you would take an appropriate hunting bow too, not a war bow

@goopy9498

2 жыл бұрын

I think the thing is if you're trying to kill/assassinate people with armor hunting bows wont cut it

@balduran.

2 жыл бұрын

No matter how high poundage war bow is, assassin wouldn't shoot the armored part, that's never gonna be a sure kill

@MyMy-tv7fd

2 жыл бұрын

@@goopy9498 - maybe, maybe not - if they do not know they are being hunted they may not be in full armour. If you are not hunting someone in full plate with the visor down, you could get a shot in. If they are riding a horse you could take the horse out. It all depends.

@AnotherDuck

2 жыл бұрын

If you're in a tree, to actually have that greater range it needs to be a solitary tree. If it's in the forest, all you're going to see is branches and leaves, since there are all those other trees around you. So in a forest you'll actually have less range than if you were standing on the ground, because on the ground you don't have to aim downwards to avoid branches.

@SonsOfLorgar

2 жыл бұрын

@@AnotherDuck also, if the target has bodyguards, you are a sitting duck if you miss as the shaft sticking out of the ground points straight back to you...

I think most adventures wouldn't carry a war bow, an Archer would but if it's your side arm it would be a bunch of training they could spend on their magic or their swordsmanship, instead they would carry a smaller bow, crossbow, or even a sling if they only have enough room in their kit for a few rocks and some string. It's important everyone has a side-arm, dagger, a main weapon, and something to throw or shoot with unless that is the main weapon.

@Palmakify

2 жыл бұрын

Average bow 60-80 lbs?

@AlexanderRM1000

2 жыл бұрын

Good point re: main weapons, in war you can have a bunch of archers with only daggers or short swords and a bunch of mele infantry next to them, in hunting deer won't charge and stab you, but as an adventurer a bow might be better as a secondary weapon for hunting or to take potshots at an approaching enemy but relying on your sword or magic when they reach you.

@FrenchLightningJohn

2 жыл бұрын

and warbow tend to be long, in the video he showed to cut very closed bushed we saw that his warbow was in his way a lot and had to remove it, while a shorter bow like a recurve bow that the mongol where using on horseback would be perfect for adventure. not too long, won't be in your way when cutting bushes and perfect in close or small area like in a dungeon or cave. shad is just very biased toward warbow being so good at everything he forgot those small details that make a shorter recurve bow a lot more useful than a long warbow

@docstockandbarrel

2 жыл бұрын

If you’re talking time spent in training, a crossbow makes sense, but not a sling. Accuracy with a sling using enough power for damage against a human sized target is much more difficult than with a bow.

@ShinKyuubi

2 жыл бұрын

Ironic the name is Grey Goblin..cause Goblin Slayer is a good example of this. He normally uses any weapon a goblin drops after throwing his own when it starts to get dull but in his large hip pouch, the one behind his back, he always has a sling, pretty much EVERY member of his party bar High Elf Archer and I think Lizard Priest, have a sling, High Elf Archer..well..it's in the name..she uses a great bow strung with spider silk, BUT Goblin Slayer HAS been seen to use a smaller more compact bow..probably around 50 to 70 pounds or so I'd guess, for when he needs a little more range than a sling can give him, he leaves the super long range stuff to High Elf Archer who is trained for that while he himself is a warrior with some scout traits.

The opening was perfect

Imagine the enemy is alerted to your position because you grunt loudly every time you draw the bow