My favorite is when they shoot an arrow with a rope into a wooden object to swing/climb across, often multiple people, and then someone just casually pulls the arrow out afterwards with one hand.

@jotaro4874

2 жыл бұрын

Nice

@Panboy2k

2 жыл бұрын

in fairness if your using the arrow to climb vertical your rope is gonna be pulling down on the arrow not out, which would give it a much greater chance of holding the weight

@danielestoppa2260

2 жыл бұрын

@@Panboy2k and an immense momentum force to the arrow that will cause an immediate break

@stanislaviliev6305

2 жыл бұрын

@@Panboy2k that would be doable, however we still have the thickness of the rope and wood shaft to support the weight and also the higher penetrative force for the thicker arrow

@Jafran_Helstorm

2 жыл бұрын

It's all about Plot logic

To prevent snagging you should use a figure 8 wrap. It's how lines are bundled for parachutes. It's also generally just a much smarter way to wrap lines.

@gmanbo

2 жыл бұрын

I suspect that there are coatings that would help lines be less likely to tangle as well.

@BigBenC1991

2 жыл бұрын

A daisy chain would also work for this but may take more space for storage

@marcogenovesi8570

2 жыл бұрын

@@gmanbo beeswax would be an obvious one

@ravensblade

2 жыл бұрын

I also know the one where you tie the rope in some sort of cord where pulling one side untangle the whole thing. It's called Monkey Braid in English if Internet images don't fail me, and I know that when we throw something tied to it, like buoys they didn't snag. And you can keep them in sacks without them getting tangled. Point is there are several methods to prevent ropes from getting tangled, and if you in travel with you rope in backpack/on belt, you don't keep it the way Shad did.

@Fektthis

2 жыл бұрын

@@ravensblade the very easiest way I can think of is the over under method. same way you should store guitar cables and pretty much any cable or rope. simple to do. takes up exactly same space as just wrapping. doesn't cause your cord to develop a memory and kinks. easily unfurls without snags or tangles.

Have you considered stacking the rope in a figure-8 pattern on the ground? Generally the figure-8 prevents tangling. And it's possible that having the rope in one location may create less resistance than having it laid out in a line

@tyronerenaud297

2 жыл бұрын

That's what I would have recommended, too; but, because of all the other impediments to this trope being even remotely practicable, it doesn't really matter.

@pIayingwithmahwii

2 жыл бұрын

@@tyronerenaud297 i've actually done this multiple times. i had a toy bow as a kid and shot an arrow with a rope from my house to my treehouse, and even my father was able to make it across on the rope i shot. jk

@iloathepeoplewhorestilltal2774

2 жыл бұрын

@@pIayingwithmahwii fucking hell 😂😂

@ranstone2

2 жыл бұрын

I saw your comment a few weeks ago, and decided to try it myself. Just checking back in to let everyone know "figure 8 rope" doesn't work. :(

@michaelmcgee5478

2 жыл бұрын

Think a daisy chain would work?

Shadiversity: "Can you fire an arrow with a rope attached?" Bowfishers: "I don't know can we?"

@anonymous-mj8wb

2 жыл бұрын

bow fishers use really thin line in a spool, only 4 feet into a foot of water. but if this is a joke I understand.

@justinduke8135

2 жыл бұрын

@@anonymous-mj8wb lol only 4 ft I've shot 6ft a few times

@ItsMasonMoney

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

@JustSomeGuywithEpicGrasses

2 жыл бұрын

Bowfishing. The art of defying Father Shad.

@captainbeaver_man903

2 жыл бұрын

@@anonymous-mj8wb you ever seen the video of the guy bow fishing off a bridge? Its about 20 ft with heavy cord, not thin line. Its very doable. The not doable part is using the rope to climb. The arrow would snap in half.

As a former navy man I feel compelled to put this here before I watch. You don't send over the full line. You send over a small lead line you use to bring over the full line. Navy people have been doing this for thousands of years into prehistory in order to safely moor two ships afloat.

@gallendugall8913

2 жыл бұрын

The tangled mess happens even if you just throw the line. That's why you have to fake out the line before use. Faking down a line is laying it in long, flat bights, one alongside the other, instead of in coils. Faking down a line is usually done to make the line run out more easily. Mooring lines are usually faked down to make mooring easier.

@alluringming

2 жыл бұрын

Didn't know that navy did that, that's interesting fact ^^

@Pretagonist

2 жыл бұрын

Sending a small lead line is still done all the time. When mooring a large ship the crew will throw a small line over to the dock and people on the dock will use that line to pull over the massive lines they need to tie down the ship.

@tommeakin1732

2 жыл бұрын

This is very different to the trope that shad was going at though?

@gallendugall8913

2 жыл бұрын

So yes, movies are rubbish. However for a fantasy adventure setting there is some utility for getting a line from one point to another with mechanical assistance. Instead of anchoring into the tree loop around a branch.

The trick of shooting a rope on an arrow has, historically speaking, never been about pulling the actual rope, but from pulling a (relatively heavy) string from which a rope can be pulled long from. The goal of the arrow is not to be affixing the rope, but to bring the string over a unreachable obstacle, then the actual rope is attached to the string and pulled along the string. Now, some might think "How would you pull a rope along a string if it's attached to the arrow without any loop?" And that's where there's one missing bit of information I haven't mentioned. It's all in the arrowhead. In fact, I have seen 2 models of such arrowhead in my life and they were both in a museum. The hook and loop arrowhead is a strange arrowhead with 2 round almost-closed hooks. You were able to pass 1 or even 2 strings along the hooks. The wasp arrowhead is an arrowhead with a bit of an odd form as it's has dull grooves in it that allow you roll a bit of the string around it in a way that would allow it to travel with the arrow as it moves forward. The 1 thing that those 2 arrowheads had was that their goal was to bring a solid string across a distance from the middle of the string's length and not from one end of it. The string ends were placed on both the left and right of the archer in FRONT of him and the string was hanging in front of the bow. Once the arrow was shot, it would travel in a parabola so that it can move over the obstacle like a small river or over a structure. Then you could attach a rope to 1 end of the string and pull the rope along the string. The actual range of the trick wasn't used for anything higher than 80 feet at most and even that was an hard shot. Those were used mostly in construction and traveling like passing a rope around a wooden beam or a tree. It wasn't made to penetrate anything. It was also something that was used in the naval field as to cross ropes between ships on the sea. I totally agree that those "tricks" shown in movies and games where a simple arrow is strong enough to lift 1 or more people is just pure fantasy. But, I would point out that the concept of using a bow as the tool to bring a rope to a further distance as not a fantasy at all.

@scotmcpherson

2 жыл бұрын

That "string" is called a messenger, a smaller easier to manage line used to establish a connection which you can use to then pull across another heavier line.

@N3ur0m4nc3r

2 жыл бұрын

lol the amount of effort, could have made response video 🙄

@verbic96

2 жыл бұрын

Wow great write up

@Miller0067

2 жыл бұрын

Shad needs to dig into some research and find or make this setup! id like to see it in action! maybe someone out there has a working replica they can send him...

@smoker4188

2 жыл бұрын

@@N3ur0m4nc3r he literally just used google but aight lol

“Let’s see my family enjoying Hello Fresh!” *baby crying*

13:57 is when he stops explaining every detail of the bow and troupe and actually fires the arrow.

@MTSpace-pt6tu

2 жыл бұрын

I WAS ONLY HALF WAY THERE WHEN I GAVE UP??

@Dirkfensty

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@Bootlgr4

2 жыл бұрын

Wish I saw this comment at the beginning. JEEEEEEZZZZZUUUUSSSSS!!!

@bullymaguire1829

2 жыл бұрын

If you’ve been watching Shad for any amount of time you should have known that he goes into extreme detail.

@emriys1334

2 жыл бұрын

Oh god thank you, i could already see where this was going when he was talking and kept gesticulating with the rope and tangling it up even more. Put it in a bloody figure 8 to not let it tangle and stop tossing it around everywhere. Like, yes, movies and fantasy are made up, but using messenger stribg and rope on an arrow is historic fact, bow fishing is still a thing

Shad: "Shooting the tree is emotionally painfull for me." I think: "Yes, the poor tree!" Shad: "My poor arrow!" XD

@thegoose5294

2 жыл бұрын

Can relate Arrows are expensive Even if you make your own arrows, the amount of time invested to make those arrows will make you feel bad breaking them.

@arkenarikson2481

2 жыл бұрын

@@thegoose5294 For sure. Though I'd guess that Shad also knows every one of his arrows by name. :)

@shrubb7925

2 жыл бұрын

:(

@Tree_-wp5zn

2 жыл бұрын

Oh it's fine it doesn't hurt me that much.

@AaronRotenberg

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tree_-wp5zn Treetlejuicing

There are fishermen who use arrows attached to line, but we are talking thin and light fishing line mounted on a spool attached to the bow and a matter of meters from the aim point.

@gizmonomono

2 жыл бұрын

And where is the fishing line attached? On the back or on the front of the arrow?

@Santisima_Trinidad

2 жыл бұрын

Combining this with a slightly different comment, you can use light and thin line, such as fishing line, attached to a spool, as a lead line, which is the line you fire over in order to support the heavier main line that you want to be carting over. Should work reasonably well, although obviously you'll get significantly less distance than a non lined arrow even when using a light line.

@straightjacket308

2 жыл бұрын

Though this video was more based on supporting human weight, firing into a tree and how far the arrow could go. Now you've got me interested in bow fishing. Sounds fun!

@Volper1

2 жыл бұрын

Spear and harpoon fishing from a gun is the same, you basically need to spoil the line to get a clean unravel.

@zraal3759

2 жыл бұрын

@@gizmonomono cannot say all are, but all I have ever seen it is at the back between the nock and fletching.

The most realistic way I've seen this done was in a book call Otto of the silver hand. An archer shoots an arrow with string attached. He then uses the string to pull a thicker and thick rope into place in order to infiltrate a castle.

@charliericker274

2 жыл бұрын

How does that work, wouldn't there need to be someone at the other end, who could just lower a rope anyways. . .

@jonathanb.benderson9494

2 жыл бұрын

@@charliericker274 He arched it over and found the string. Also it was an invading army so they weren't shortage of people, and he is shooting over a eagle's head that sticks out of the wall. It's a good book 10/10 recommend.

@spicymeatballs2thespicening

Жыл бұрын

How exactly do you use a string to "pull a thicker rope in place"

@Vaelor.B

Жыл бұрын

@@spicymeatballs2thespicening it's quite easy You need a arrow with a string loop. Through tat loop you pull the string, that both ends stay with you You shoot the arrow You not a thicker rope to one end of the string and pull But it was only used if there's someone at the other side, to tie the rope to something

@reanbowlerd5988

Жыл бұрын

@@spicymeatballs2thespiceningi dont think it should be so hard to visualize tying a bigger rope to a smaller one

There are ways of bundling rope that will prevent tangling. Basically, they're all about pulling the rope from the inside of the bundle, so that nothing will be caught in the coil being pulled. Of course, the lighter and softer a rope is, the harder it will be to keep a bundle orderly. An arrow with a rope is a harpoon. Perhaps counterintuitively, harpoons are most stable in flight if the rope is attached as far as possible towards the tip. Stability is vital for both precision and distance. Of course, even if this will improve performance a bit, the best use you can get out of it is catching fish.

@TheOriginalBlue62

2 жыл бұрын

Arborists in BC use crossbows to set a string in the tree and then use that to set their climbing rope in the tree. 300, 400 foot trees some of them, it's pretty much the *only* way to set a line that high up.

I was thinking "shouldn't he be using a compound bow for this? It would be the most powerful, and more force would mean it's harder to bend and also would travel farther, right?" And then he pulled out this behemoth of a bow and I immediately reacted with "nevermind, this is better".

@surfernorm6360

2 жыл бұрын

One problem with that is Robin Hood never had a compound bow so thats out but the real problem is the mass of an arrow to drag a rope just don't work unless your Batman, He (Shade) might have used his 900 pound steel crossbow and a steel arrow thats the real problem is a wooden arrow just fails in the mass department If your confined to reality.

@koreancowboy42

2 жыл бұрын

A heavy crossbow and with rope possibly can go further

@TheWorldsprayer

2 жыл бұрын

Compound bows are not inherently stronger than normal bows. The entire purpose of the compound bow is not strength but to offload the weight of the bow onto the cables so that you can hold it longer, therefore having more time to aim and make a "better" shot. In the end, the "power" comes from the act of the bow flexing against itself and until the pulleys of offload the weight, they actually pull the same.

@i.minpayne2561

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheWorldsprayer well yeah but heehoo monkey brain says metal is better than wood

@ValdVincent

2 жыл бұрын

Crossbow I think might work? Metal Bolts clearly.

As a physics major, I remember solving a problem to find the velocity of an arrow that is attached to a long, massive rope. Cool to see the result irl.

@Beshli

2 жыл бұрын

You could've gotten a bow, an arrow, rope and a measuring thing and done it your self. Lazy!

@razorgarcia298

2 жыл бұрын

Except thats not how it's done . He's wrong.

@lukesakurai8403

2 жыл бұрын

@Beshli you do realize a good bow, and including arrows is fairly expensive right? You would also need a big empty space for that, what if you lived in a big city? Calculating it via formula is the best way of you don’t have the resources for that

@lukesakurai8403

2 жыл бұрын

@Beshli I have also realized you would need experience shooting a bow and arrow, along with the strength to do so. Pulling back an arrow well enough for it to go straight/to its maximum distance is hard. (I also realize you might be being sarcastic so I do apologize if I seem like a jerk or haven’t gotten the joke)

@pixelblaze8284

2 жыл бұрын

@@lukesakurai8403 it's also something to be said for being able to fire the type of typical war bow used back in England that could get around like 200lbs which sounds insane. And it's hard to even find longbows like these much less affordable. Plus I feel like it would be interesting to see info on how best to balance the weight of the rope on the arrow because to shoot well it has to be balanced too which is something he didn't look at I the vid

In dungeons and dragons there is something like a grappling arrow, an arrow which had a grappling hook instead of a regular arrow head. As the rope is attached to the metal part, it would make it a little more probable that it could hold a men's weight. However after seeing these results with a regular arrow, I wonder if you could not just toss the hook further by hand. So how practical are grappling arrows?

@phoxius

2 жыл бұрын

ye; from my armchair his execution seemed very sloppy. Like no duh it got tangled, it was twisted to begin with in it's coil. As to the drag, if you're a thief in the appropriate setting to use such a contraption (rope on an arrow) would you not take the time to A: find the thinnest possible rope to support your own weight, which, if your a thief should be low to begin with; fasting is part of the job description if it means you can squeeze through unexpected places and B: Scope your target and know your abilities such that EVEN IF 20 meters is all you can shoot an arrow you would make it so that 20 meters is enough? i.e. climb the nearest tree and shoot from there into the target window ? ... Not a feat this jolly big fellow could even dream of, let alone try to disprove. Moving on.

@ratmondshaw3921

2 жыл бұрын

@@phoxius can you even find a real life example

@Seven_Leaf

2 жыл бұрын

I've only ever heard of a modified shotgun//rifle using this principle in a real world application, mostly used to string a line from ship to ship.

@charliericker274

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like if there is any resistance it slows it down so much that it would be better to just swing it around and throw the grapple hook.

@DeepfriedBeans4492

2 жыл бұрын

@@phoxius First of all that's such a toxic additude to blame someone for a first attempt at something not working, especially when they go on to fix the problem. As for the rope thickness, idk why you think thiefs are malnourished, not even going into the numbers here because if they were as light as you act like they are then there's no way they could pull a bow with as much power as the one shad used for this experiment. Then you say "make the 20 meters enough" unless you're a wizard thief you can't just make stuff happen, also you are missing the key detail which is that at 20 meter range the bow has lost it's inertia, good luck getting it to stick into something, let alone something at point blank.. Shad isn't trying to break into somewhere with a rope bow, he's simply seeing how effectively you can shoot an arrow with a rope attached to it, being a "jolly big fellow" doesn't change that. I realize there's like a 90% chance you're trolling but some people do say stuff like that so you can't expect me to know.

Time stamps for all shot arrows: 0:04 (rope) clip from later on in video 7:10 (no rope) video of arrow being shot into metal plate 20m away? 13:54 (rope) 20.4m 14:41 (no rope) 112m 14:57 (no rope) 112m 18:26 (rope) 20m (assumed) 19:20 (rope) 25m 22:29 (no rope) into tree 5-10m away? 23:24 (no rope) into same tree 23:48 (no rope) into same tree

No shad, I wasn't just "5 meters" increase, it was AN ASTOUNDING 25% longer range! That's way more!

@madshoveler6002

2 жыл бұрын

It's a %20 percent increase not 25

@joshguyer4593

2 жыл бұрын

@@madshoveler6002 Sorry, but he was correct... 25% increase. You would be correct in stating that first distance was 80% of the distance of the second shot. with % math, the number you pick as primary matters as it counts as the starting 100%. all other numbers are a derivative of that number

@Kittsuera

2 жыл бұрын

i think it had a lot to do with the rope being in front about 5 meters. the arrow didn't have to drag the rope 5 meters forward as the end was already at the foot.

"This trope has been Shad on." Perfection.

@styrax7280

2 жыл бұрын

I prefer Shadered (shattered)

@JarieSuicune

2 жыл бұрын

@@Richard_Nickerson How many adventurers do you think actually keep their gear in the "most optimal manner" for every possible random scenario? Plus, we already saw that having only a short length of unobstructed rope (the most optimal situation) drastically restricts the possible travel distance, so it really doesn't matter past that point no matter what other nitpicking anyone can throw out. Even some ideas posted of "shooting such that you can climb the rope from a perpendicular arrow" instantly fail because you can't get enough LENGTH to do such a shot in the first place and so wouldn't even make sense to try. Unless I guess you are trying to cross a sheer ravine to some ramparts... which are typically made of stone.

@TrickinNinja

2 жыл бұрын

More like shad took a shit and put it on KZread.

@IHateUniqueUsernames

2 жыл бұрын

@@styrax7280 Nice! It stays classy. Now, if Shad makes this a series... t-Shirts!

@venumus1

2 жыл бұрын

I mean isn't this whole theory debunked by now fishing?

U should wrap the rope in overlapped "8" loops. The crossings in the middle avoid tangles. Even better 8 loops around 2 pegs oriented in the direction of the launch. That's how it is done in kitesurfing. Also how far would u go with a fishing line through a ring attached to the arrowhead? (And once the arrow is firmly attached pull one of the 2 strands of fishing line to attach a strong rope, tied to the other strand, to the tree)

Have to say in D&D we did address this partially in play. Needed to get a rope from one side of a cavern to the other. We had one person on the other side. We tied a string to the arrow to get it across. Then tied a length of heavier twine to the end of the string, and then rope to the end of the twine. The string was light enough to allow the shot across. Then it was strong enough to not break as the heavier twine was spooled across by hand after the shot. Then the twine was strong enough for the rope to be spooled across by hand after that. Then the rope was secured by the person on the other side. Without someone on the other side, it was not possible.

@skyfish-kj5ww

2 жыл бұрын

mage hand, my guy

@JohnYoo39

2 жыл бұрын

@@skyfish-kj5ww assuming the gap is less than 30 feet, I guess

@Jinni_SD

2 жыл бұрын

@@JohnYoo39 Spell Sniper feat.

@JohnYoo39

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jinni_SD mage hand is hard-locked to be within 30 feet. Even things like Distant Spell metamagic wouldn't work (it would just disappear when over 30 feet away from you). Spell Sniper itself wouldn't work because Mage Hand isn't making you do attack rolls.

@markp6621

2 жыл бұрын

There is an old TED talk about climbing the tallest redwoods, and they do as you say ie. shooting a light line with a bow over a branch, then use that to pull a heavier rope.

I wonder if JoergSprave can invent a "rope launching device" for a warbow using period-correct materials and production techniques? 😁

@eliaswewel3899

2 жыл бұрын

Send the challenge to him!

@Scudboy17

2 жыл бұрын

if anyone can, he'd be the guy. Or maybe Alan Pan.

@infinitesimal9001

2 жыл бұрын

That's just bow fishing, m8

@sarmenti586

2 жыл бұрын

Swingshot

@WitherFang

2 жыл бұрын

"Let me show you it's features, hehehehehe..."

Shad: "That cow is out of range." *Cow moves, gets hit* Sir Oz: "Do you like steak kids?"

@ArifRWinandar

2 жыл бұрын

"Hello, Hellofresh? Looks like you won't be sponsoring us for the next few weeks!"

@Justin-pe9cl

2 жыл бұрын

Both of these are gold.

@NobleKos

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArifRWinandar hello, very fresh

@StevenHouse1980

2 жыл бұрын

"Moo!" "how did that cow get there?" "Er... it steped sideways, Shad."

@josephteller9715

2 жыл бұрын

How do we know the commercial wasn't filmed After the archery and just edit spliced in front to hide the mistake?

I love how you answered the question within the first 5 seconds of the video and then played the ad, respect

"It was mostly untangled" - does look very tangled from the biginning. Try to handle it like sailers do. Also a bigger rope may improve the tangle situation.

that's why elves craft their rope from magic silk, and their arrows from impossawood, while training for at least two human lifetimes in bulshido. +1 for shaded-on.

@Kalleosini

2 жыл бұрын

you got me with bulshido

@voxistaken

2 жыл бұрын

Someday I will achieve mastery of bulshido.

@dynamicworlds1

2 жыл бұрын

Tbf, the magic elven rope from Lord of the Rings (which is light, strong, and able to magically unknot itself as desired) would be probably work just fine for this (albeit with still having a range reduction) and a mithril arrow shaft would probably solve the breaking problem, and that's a pretty low magic setting.

@Broockle

2 жыл бұрын

@@dynamicworlds1 imagine the confidence u'd have to have to fire a mithril tipped arrow. Didn't a prince trade a kingdom for a vest of mithril? The arrow alone would be worth several mansions with large property wouldn't it? o(TヘTo)

@georgethompson1460

2 жыл бұрын

@@Broockle A hobbit sized mithril chain vest is in worth equivalent to the shire. It's also a marking of Gondors past wealth that it's elite tower guard wear mithril helms. Not Mithril armour just Mithril Helmets.

10:23 - the rope's preparation is absolutely going to be an issue. As a (long time ago) trained lifeguard at a lake, one of the big things to prepare was getting the rope under the "throw ring" set up perfectly so you could throw the ring maximum distance and have the rope follow nicely behind. Lay down the rope wrong, your ring would only fly a short distance, then the rope would hit a tangle and the ring would stop dead in its tracks and drop straight down, falling well short of your target. Exactly as happened in your test.

@arkuos8361

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, if the rope had some kind of holder or guide for it, I feel like it would've worked better. It felt like he went into this making sure it failed, instead of having it set up to try and make it work.

@mostafamohy8494

2 жыл бұрын

@@arkuos8361 i dont think he wanted it to fail. even when it get shot the distance was short cause of the rope weight.

@conorjames3533

2 жыл бұрын

The over-under method of rope coiling. Saves so many headaches

@GremlinSciences

2 жыл бұрын

@@conorjames3533 Yep, and then you secure the coil by tightly wrapping the last few feet around the coil (making it into an 8 for maximum portability) Done properly, it'll stay coiled through the roughest handling but unravel cleanly with just a little tug when you need it.

@benja_mint

2 жыл бұрын

It's the same for rock climbers. You always prepare the rope in a kind of pile on the ground before you start up the cliff. Coiled ropes usually tangle and somebody on the ground has to fix it.

I "shot down" this trope when I was a very new DM (back in the '80's), and my players were very disappointed, until I explained all these barriers to them {attachment; disruption of flight; exponential drag from mass of the rope; insufficient power; insufficient anchoring; and finally fragility of the arrow} ... I even up granted them the possibility that the arrow could carry their un-twined hemp rope the distance that they wanted (which was inconceivable); but, the arrow would absolutely break as soon as any humanoid weight was applied to it! It is a most ridiculous movie-trope!

13:55 It took 13 minutes and 55 seconds for him to fire the first arrow. Shad, just shoot the damn arrow aleady.

@lazarow5446

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@jarkkos

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. I mean yeah, there's many many variables, but pleeeease, we do not need to know every movie reference and possible reason for it not to work, plus most people allready know 90% of those said variables. Shoot that damn thing...

@TheDragiix3

2 жыл бұрын

@@jarkkos ngl, you can just shoot your own arrow and be done with it, I think a lot of people like the references. I can just tie some of my rope to my arrows and go play around, I'm here to enjoy the channel not to get some quick content ._. you can just forward

@bluebloodNicholas

2 жыл бұрын

Didn't even prepare the rope properly 😕

@RobotronSage

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheDragiix3 Bro i like hearing Shad talk too but that can come AFTER the arrow shooting There's only 24 hours in a day after all.

Even if the arrowhead did stick into the tree well enough to hold a person's weight, the rope would have to be affixed to the arrow right behind the tip. If it's tied at the back, the leverage of a person's weight would surely snap the arrow unless the weight was pulling directly in line with the shaft (which would work against the arrow staying embedded in the tree). What you really want is some sort of an arrow with a grappling hook for a tip (so that weight on the rope is causing the arrow to dig in, not get pulled out) or an extremely lightweight filament that you can shoot over a limb, which then lets you tie on a proper rope and pull it over the branch and down to something solid you can tie it to But really, the result you experienced is about right. Even modern military handheld grapnel launchers only reach to ~45m. You're obviously never going to be able to fire a rope arrow to the same range as a normal arrow. Nor would you want to in any sort of real world scenario where you're not Lara Croft swinging over a bottomless pit.

@foldionepapyrus3441

2 жыл бұрын

Well as the Lara croft or batman type able to use modern ultra light and strong fishing lines you can fire something that will hold your weight a greater distance (potentially much greater if you use a stupidly high powered crossbow/air cannon etc) - those lines are so thin and I expect the tighter weave (on the woven ones) will act a bit like a golfball dimple aerodynamically too, and a modern bolt/arrow material choice means its not breaking (though probably needs a long thin needle bodkin type head but with barbs, which would also help the old world bow on its pull out problem)... But your old fantasy troupe was never going to work how its shown, with thick probably hand climbable rope sizes that weigh 20 times this much, and on wooden arrow shafts that are far too thin to actually take your weight.... Maybe this lighter can hold a person but still thin rope with a purpose built arrow head could make it real, but that is not what we see every time.. I would love to see a much longer barbed head with an eyelet for the rope shot however - by keeping the rope out of the bow area there is less tangle chance, long thing and barbed the head probably bends like a cheap nail inside the target and really won't be removable at all, and it is anchored to iron/steel not wood at the target) - I think that would make within the range constraints the whole thing workable, at least under the right conditions, with the right target materials etc...

@Skyfighter64

2 жыл бұрын

I think there's one other option for making this trope kind of work, in that you try to get the arrow over the obstacle, and have the arrow get caught on the structure, a la a modern grappling hook. This would probably not work for swinging or climbing up a completely vertical surface, but it could be used as a climbing aid, I think.

@josephlegacy929

2 жыл бұрын

Came here to say the same thing, there is no way the arrow doesn’t snap

@mimi8505

2 жыл бұрын

My thoughts as well. If you want to give this its best chance, you have to use an iron arrow tip and attach the rope directly to it. And i'd use a specialized arrow tip in order to not get pulled out easily. Since the max distance is only 25m, i guess the effective range is much less, as the arrow would need to hit with enough force. So maybe it could work, but only for 10m or so? I'd test this with shooting an upper part of a tree and then trying to climb the tree using the rope. The people in the middle ages were quite crafty, so i'd expect there be a solution in a fantasy setting, where adventuring is an actual profession. Well, at least if it's possible to create a solution with the means available in the middle ages.

@KairuHakubi

2 жыл бұрын

ultimately the grappler's holy grail of something that can penetrate something strongly enough to support your weight is inherently misguided because if you had the ability to launch something strong enough to hold your weight... you could just launch your weight. catapult your ass into action. and if you were using, like, a *ballista* to fire a proper hook capable of carrying people on a thick rope, into an enemy wall.. you might as well just use that same ballista to kill people from a distance. The rope is just going to be something they can sever once you have a bunch of guys climbing it (since it's never going to be a downward zipline slope, nobody builds their castle NEXT to a hill, they build it ON the highest hill in the area. if you had the height advantage to fire a zipline you could just shoot the people from above)

I’ve been reading the Ranger’s Apprentice book series to my son for years now, and in the chapters we read last night, there was rope archery. I give Flanagan a lot of credit for having thought it out to something that seems far more plausible than anything I’ve ever seen in movies, for this particular activity. He had the characters tightly fasten small iron rings just behind the arrow head, had them very carefully place the thin line that they shot so it would uncoil without tangling, only used the thin line as a means to use to pull a sturdier rope, tied to the thin line, through the ring and back so they had the rope, doubled up, to use. The setup was used to get one man across a river (rope secured to the arrow, lodged in a tree stump on the opposite shore, with the man singling down into the river), and a second was used to run the rope via the guide line, and carry a wooden shaft across which was maneuvered into the gap in the crenellations, which the man at river level used to them climb up.

@NinjaSquid0208

2 жыл бұрын

The rangers apprentice books are very well thought out when it comes to realistic physics about archery

@sjs9698

2 жыл бұрын

a neat concept indeed, but still has the whole 'you really need to do this with a ballista' issue with the arrow coming out when you put weight on the line

@NinjaSquid0208

2 жыл бұрын

@@sjs9698 yeah although it's closer to accurate

@michaellyons992

2 жыл бұрын

This is cute. If it's just one party on one side of the obstacle, there are some tricky bits: You'd need to loop the *middle* of the guide line through the link. If you only have one trailing line, you have nothing to pull on to get your thicker line through the ring. This implies two lines uncoiling behind the arrow, and they have to uncoil at the same rate (or you need a *lot* of extra line on either side) so that the line doesn't come out of the ring during the flight of the arrow. You can't tie the line to the ring, because then you can't pull it through. I do not know what effect a second trailing line would have on the accuracy of a shot.Also, your ring needs to be big enough and strong enough to accommodate the largest rope required for your first party member to cross the obstacle. (After he/she crosses, you can switch to a two-party system.)

@Aomajc6

2 жыл бұрын

The ring behind the head is how my bowfishing arrow works. They have a ring and a stop for it at the back of the arrow to prevent it from completely flying off the arrow. This way it doesn't interfere as the arrow flies past the bow, but also doesn't pull on the front of the bow while it is flying through the air.

I know of one example from history when Arrow+Rope trick was used and it worked, but it was both simpler and smarter than in movies. During the campaign fighting Goths in Italy Belisarius was besieging Naples. He needed to capture it with utmost speed before moving on to lay siege to Rome. He couldn't leave it behind because it would have threatened his supply lines, but couldn't waste much time to starve it out because of incoming winter. At one point, during the night, an arrow with a rope attached was shot over a protruding bit of fortifications. It was picked up on the other side of the protrusion and by gradually attaching thicker bits of rope to the first one the troops soon had 2 bits of properly thick rope counterbalanced on 2 sides. It was done in the dark and quietly, the troops started climbing to assault the walls, however, by ill luck, before they could amass any sizable number they were discovered, beaten back and the rope was cut. So it was very close and worked, there simply wasn't enough time to exploit it. After that and a few other unsuccessful attempts Belisarius finally found a way into the city crawling through a dry water way of one of destroyed aqueducts that used to supply Naples with water and the city was taken.

Just a thought: Different trees are made of different strengths of wood which could drastically change how deep an arrow could penetrate. Also what about building materials like daub and wattle, plaster and mud brick? It might penetrate deep enough to support someone's weight from below (depending on the distance of the rope to the surface and the resulting moment the arrow has to support). I'd also love to see a reworked arrow firing system that could work given medieval technology (similar to the back sword sheath you made!)

@adamrosenberg4367

Жыл бұрын

If you tied at the head, then again in the middle of the arrow, you could shoot Through a softer wall like that and the arrow would pull sideways like a toggle when you took up the slack

I just wanna throw in an exception to the cliche here: In the game Thief you cannot just tie a rope to an arrow, you have to use specificly craftet metal arrows that: 1. Have a claw at the end that snaps closed on impact. These arrows can as a consequence not be used anywhere, but only on places where rope is wrapped arround the target so the claw can grip the rope instead of Trying to penetrate. 2. The rope is wound up on a contraption on the arrow that only releases after impact, preventing the trailing rope problems While there are still several problems with this such as rope length (thoug they are rarely used for more than 3 meters) or the str of the metal claw or wether or not the arrow would get cought on the bow its still a lot more believeable than the usual trope

@TheManofthecross

2 жыл бұрын

that can work i think.

@SirZelean

2 жыл бұрын

This! I actually remembered Thief while watching the video and went to google the arrow to look at it closely and find how it is different from the classic trope

@NamelessVoice

2 жыл бұрын

The proper Thief games (not the remake) specifically state that the rope is magical, getting around the entire problem of the rope tangling or weighing down the arrow... but doesn't explain why the arrows don't snap under Garrett's weight.

@UrsineBloke

2 жыл бұрын

@@NamelessVoice IIRC there isn't a situation where you fire them more than 10 metres or so, provided it's good rope, which it probably is given the high cost, even possibly "a wizard made it" rope

@KairuHakubi

2 жыл бұрын

that's what I like, come up with an explanation. does it have to be realistic? naw but it feels better that they tried.

I know every single part of this failed, but I could *probably* give them the power thing if its some kind of enchanted bow & arrow or fantasy material. If that's the case, I love the idea of a fantasy archer who meticulously winds his rope every night, making sure there's not a single tangle or flaw before carefully stowing it away again. His party makes fun of him for it, and they tell him how ridiculous it is. One day someone else does his prepwork, because he was injured or captured or whatever, and he tries to do this. Only for the arrow to go absolutely nowhere. He promptly turns around and uses his free action to berate them for it.

@syrupybrandy2788

2 жыл бұрын

A rope woven from elven hair, as light as air and with the strength to hold a castle, shot from a bow of living wood gifted by the first tree that held the weight of the sky in it's branches since the dawn of time.

@_g8dfathr_678

2 жыл бұрын

@@syrupybrandy2788 DO IT

@GremlinSciences

2 жыл бұрын

The thing about coiling rope, it isn't hard to coil rope so it doesn't get all tangled, just ask any good sailor. You can even set the rope so it doesn't tangle or unravel when tossed about, but unravels cleanly just by grabbing the end of the rope and giving it a tug.

@Galactica_One

2 жыл бұрын

@@GremlinSciences true, but remember that sailors often use heavier rope that's stored away in a closet or another location where it isn't moving to much. In this case, using a light rope, it's much harder to carry it around on person or in a pack without getting it somewhat tangeled

@PowerIsFever

2 жыл бұрын

So what you're trying to tell me is like a rope version of the goblin Slayer

I’m interested in how the rope was rolled. As a musician there is a way to roll it so it unravels without getting caught on the coiled rope.

@DaddyMouse

2 жыл бұрын

There's probably a huge difference between unraveling it slowly/normally and pulling it at a speed of ~150mph.

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What I'm wondering now is, how about the "message tied to an arrow" kind of trope? How far could you shoot a message that way? Which ways would be the most effective? Like, some wrap the paper around the arrow, but some literally let the letter flap behind the arrow. Would the last one even be feasible? Could any message be "safely" delivered this way or is it only advisable for basically declarations of war? And the most important question of course, why would anyone think this could be a smart idea?

@purplelibraryguy8729

2 жыл бұрын

Now I'm thinking about the old Robin Hood show "When Things Were Rotten"--someone shot a message tied to an arrow into a sapling by LIttle John. Robin says, "Could you bring me that?" and Little John rips out the sapling and brings it . . .

@jelleluyten5017

2 жыл бұрын

You could probably write on the arrow actually, could reasonably get 2 or 3 lines of text

@adifferentangle7064

2 жыл бұрын

They actually existed but not in the way they're typically depicted.

@jeremychicken3339

2 жыл бұрын

that's how one of caesar's leigons got a message in gaul. allbeit it was a spear the message said "Caesar is coming, stay strong." sauce: Historia Civilis.

@Kalidoscope1230

2 жыл бұрын

If a message capable of delivering relatively accurate artillery coordinates or semi-comprehensive unit movement orders on a small string of paper in a small cylinder wrapped around the leg of a pigeon worked, I'm sure it was possible to do so with an arrow with an even smaller message. Idk, coloured fletching would work too. Communication isn't tied to language after all. If it has to be tied, well, a ribbon would do but if you want words, why tie a knot when you can wrap the entire arrow in parchment? You can probably fit a whole piece of A4 on a shaft. As for your last question, the invention of the radio changed the face of battle and an arrow moves a lot faster then a runner. That being said, its not as if an arrow can travel very far. Nevertheless, communication is always worth it.

Shad: "That cow is out of range" Me: "But what if Asher shot the arrow?"

@jasonsauntry1052

2 жыл бұрын

Then we'd have seen them eating steak.

@tedpowles7819

2 жыл бұрын

Didn't they eat steak in the beginning of the vid?

@Echo3-1

2 жыл бұрын

But what about dragons?

@sjs9698

2 жыл бұрын

@@Echo3-1 we're going to need a bigger bow (t)

This sort of thing was actually more often then not done with a crossbow in reality at first, then a modified rifle. In some cases they were even "rocket powered". They are referred to as line throwers. Used by the navy or marines, to fire lines between ships, however they were also used to fire a heavier metal Grappling arrow/bolt. these had a very short range, often only a few hundred feet, but were made use of for assenting cliffs or walls during war time as you could run up, either shoulder fire or plant against the ground and fire like a mortar, once the line is up you could then begin climbing. now these were NOT some one handed simple thing that threw lines 100's of feet, with fantastic "geared" spring out hooks. No this was a heavy duty steel hook, towing behind it 550 test paracord, or a fairly beefy rope, so its range was very short, and it needed a very powerful charge or very powerful crossbow and windless to charge and fire. hence in some cases you couldn't even fire it from the shoulder, but instead had to plant it into the ground and use it like a mortar.

I love it 2022, everytime Shad proves something. "IT'S BEEN SHAD'T ON!"

13:58 A figure eight way of coiling the rope like tree climbers use for their throw line would make a world of difference. The throw line is specifically wound in this figure of eight fashion so that you can deliver it, unhindered, into a tree or over some other attachment point without tangling.

@datnoobe7448

2 жыл бұрын

I was just about to comment on that! I know there’s a similar coiling method used with electrical cables and such that works the same way. I’d be curious to see how it would’ve worked coiled similarly to these!

@michaelpeters6659

2 жыл бұрын

@@datnoobe7448 yeah that way it doesn’t take 10 minutes getting the knots out in the morning 🤙🏼

@topogigio7031

2 жыл бұрын

Yea.. Shad has been making a lot of blatantly bullshit claims lately. In Michigan we go after catfish with bow and rope. We use double bladed axes because it's more practical to have two heads for one

@yannickjanssen4307

2 жыл бұрын

@@topogigio7031 I agree that it works only the rope used there is specifically made for catching fish and the bow and arrow are also made for that exact situation, shad is trying to prove that you cant shoot an arrow with rope made to hold a human long distances, when bow fishing your shooting 10 meters max and even that rarely happens, youre also shooting down so gravity doesnt do much in that situation

@JarieSuicune

2 жыл бұрын

@@topogigio7031 Do you hunt catfish from no less than 20 meters away in that manner? If not, then your point is already comparing apples to oranges, because the point in this video is mostly about RANGE. (Unless you are comparing shooting through a catfish to shooting through a tree... in which case, please go punch a catfish and then a tree and tell me which is harder, meat or wood.) You combat each other with double-bladed axes??? I certainly didn't see any of that last time I visited. What age do you think you are in anyways? (If you mean for woodcutting, you clearly didn't hear him point out that it DOES make sense and obviously happen for that case. He was referring to COMBAT AXES.) He clearly shows a shot with a totally uncoiled length of rope which still drastically restricts the distance traveled. If you think that there is ANY style of coiled rope that can exceed and UNCOILED rope... well, I don't have a fix for logic-damage.

Thank God for magic. The Mountaineer's Arrow, able to embed itself securely in all but the hardest stone and support the weight of long rope, multiple people, and their equipment yet can be easily removed with a simple tug on the arrow shaft.

@semi-useful5178

2 жыл бұрын

just use a grappling hook. way cheaper. but then again a lot of folk don't like rolling around in a gritty low magic setting like me.

I think the place the rope is tied onto would effect the balance of the arrow, too. As far as I understand, projectiles with heavier front ends tend to correct themselves in flight, but Shad is tying the rope to the back end. I'd be curious to see if the position of the tied rope effects anything.

@cdorman11

3 ай бұрын

Good point. Doubling and tripling the mass aloft is significant but the aerodynamics of the arrow still have an effect too.

For DnD purposes that is ok. You get 50ft if hempen rope and you went 20m, so about 60ft. So if you were getting it to loop something or have a small creature climb up it, this would work.

Another ATTACHED ARROW TROPE would be: shooting an arrow that attached with a piece of paper or cloth as a secret message in surprise manner without giving the location of the messenger. I would bet this could produce a much better result for IRL

@ameritus9041

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah this would be interesting as well

@LienRanMizunagi

2 жыл бұрын

if I recall correctly, in our group at ATARN, Koreans have heraldic or signal arrows in kuk gung or even in war time scenarios the japanese have assigned codes on the shaft or points that can carry the message or paper.

@TheDeinonychus

2 жыл бұрын

I doubt that would have much impact on the arrow's distance. Firstly, if you were to send a message by arrow, you'd probably wrap the paper around the shaft and tie it off with string, so very little weight and very little wind resistance. Even if you tied it hanging on, it wouldn't produce nearly as much drag as the rope would, though it would have a good chance of just getting torn off the arrow from the air resistance.

@dionjaywoollaston1349

2 жыл бұрын

iv'e seen that done in manga and anime and to be honest it seems a much more safer way to deliver messages across a battlefield than using a war horn, flags etc. Because even if the enemy somehow managed to get it before you did they would then have to get back to their own leaders without getting killed by your guys and in anime and manga the paper used is small, about the size of a sticky note or the kind you get from fortune cookies

@chrisrudolf9839

2 жыл бұрын

@@dionjaywoollaston1349 Flags and warhorns are mostly for getting commands across past shouting distance AT ONCE to coordinate unit movements on the battlefield. Signal arrows wouldn't be quite as effective for it, because someone would need to notice the signal arrow drop (which could be quite insecure if we are in a middle of a skirmish and there are regular arrows shot as well), go fetch it and read the message first. Also they have the severe downside that you either still need a running messager tasked to retrieve the arrow or you need to shoot it so close to your own troops that you risk hitting someone. But it would certainly be doable, tying a tiny scrap of paper close to an arrow shaft hardly slows it down

Fun thing, we did this for a highschool project and the goal was to keep improving untill you could shoot a rope over about 50m and have it support the weight of a basket full of weights (about 13kg) being pulled across it. Some improvements we found to be very succesfull: attaching the rope to the back end of the arrow, very labour intense to make, but it made a huge difference in how far and wobbly the arrow would fly. The second important thing was to use one of those harpoon spools, but scaled up. Which created another problem... it became very hard to shoot the bow by hand and it turned more into a harpoon gun/ballista. And lastly we also just needed a whole damn lot more power. In the end it turned out to be very well possible to shoot an arrow with a rope attached into a piece of wood and have it support some weight... but it transformed the handbow into a piece of machinery

@magiv4205

2 жыл бұрын

That's such a cool high school project, I'm jealous!

I love this. ❤️ .. I think it's actually plausible to climb with this. Imagine shooting it up over a tree...once you have a rope up and over, you could pull a heavier rope up, that's tied to the end of this. Or what about the idea of specially designed "climbing arrows" that are made of metal. I wonder if some kind of other variation would make it possible..?🤔 Anyway, love the channel...love these kinds of tests..👍

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@neuromancerD

2 жыл бұрын

This is where my mind went to as well. Best word choice IMO.

Can we all just appreciate how bad ass Shad is for having all the authentic equipment in order to test this rope trope? Like forget that he has the time and such land space to test this in, that right there is a pretty freaking cool bow & arrow set

@LeonardoArchi

2 жыл бұрын

I think he just wear all that on everyday basis

@Galahad_Du_Lac

2 жыл бұрын

This is just normal Australian dress.

@dv9239

2 жыл бұрын

He lives in Australia you step out and see empty land not that uncommon

@mlordwhiteslayerfromf.u.g

2 жыл бұрын

"rope trope" kek

As the Arrow pulls out rope it increases the mass it is trying to pull, Friction (drag) increases as well.

As Tuco said “Shoot, don’t talk” 😂

Counterpoint: This is one of the most convenient ways to loop a rope around tall or distant objects. If you need prepare to cross a 50ft wide rushing river with an army, you send scouts up/downriver to find a ford, send them to the far side, and you shoot them over a leader string. Then the leader pulls a rope, the rope pulls a rope ladder with railings, and you have a rope bridge before too long. Without being able to use a projectile, things get tricky and manpower-intensive very quickly. If you need to climb up to the cathedral roof for maintenance, if you need to climb a tree, similar deal.

@HiddenRealm

2 жыл бұрын

Counterpoint If your scouts find a ford, they return and you all cross the ford, saving time, resources, and effort, and without choking your army down a little rope-bridge where your broken up and more vulnerable. Counter-counter point, this is why you send scouts to pathfind BEFORE the army arrives, because then you arrive at the river near the ford in the first place. Now, if you are just trying to build a bridge at this spot because it's ideal for a road... Then sure, maybe this little idea would work to build a temporary bridge for the workers, and I think they HAVE done this sort of thing before. Just... if your fluff you add on does a disservice to the idea, I wouldn't add it lol.

@starchitin

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking of using it for this as well. If one attached twine or string to the arrow instead, they could prolly get it to go even further (then the string could be used to pull a proper rope across, which could be used it's self or used to pull heavier objects across). For getting rope up over tree branches or other tall objects, using a weight tied to the rope is a lot more accurate... and might even be able to get comparable distances if your technique was good.

@gearandalthefirst7027

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, that's not what he was testing? That's like saying "counterpoint to double-bitted axes being ridiculous: single bitted axes are a thing!" Of course the version that's used in real life is going to work, it works in real life. The question was whether the specific version shown in fiction works, which it doesn't

@BigPanda096

2 жыл бұрын

All my scouts found was a chevy

@Graybeard218

2 жыл бұрын

@@BigPanda096 one must assume that Chevy was at the levy.

to be fair, on the rope getting tangled, there’s ways to stack rope to where it doesn’t get tangled as easy which is demonstrated by mountain climbers.

@EwanMarshall

2 жыл бұрын

Sailors and lifeguards too. Then there are electrical engineers and stage riggers that do similar with cables. Learning propper rope handling is important :D

@donkfail1

2 жыл бұрын

The way he kept tangling it even more before laying it down, looked like he's not a seasoned sailor ...or knitter. ;) But I was surprised the arrow pulled it 25 meters later. The way to do that Mulan maneuver would be to send up a thread only thick enough to pull up a rope that could hold those who are to be pulled up. But anything like that would be struck from the script for pacing reasons, especially in animation. The magic videogame ropes are in the same class as pockets or backpacks with unlimited volume.

@mevensen

2 жыл бұрын

Came here to say that, rope needs to be properly faked/flaked (depending on who you ask) for smooth deployment.

@AngelStickman

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! Flaking is super important.

@kodaxmax

2 жыл бұрын

@@donkfail1 yeh but the fantasy characters he suppossed to be debunking probably are experts

In my part of America, some of us bow fish, and there's string tied to the arrow to a fishing reel on the bow. The string is heavier than fishing line, but not as big as a rope.

I reckon there are well procured techniques in design / material of not just the bow and arrow, but the rope, and how and where it is placed and tied... I notice he didn't try placing the rope near the tip of the arrow. Either way good show. 👏

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@not-a-raccoon

2 жыл бұрын

First time I saw it, I thought it was great. The second time was after I learned a lot more about history and historical weapons. That time I cringed. I cringed a lot. 😬

@docstockandbarrel

2 жыл бұрын

@@not-a-raccoon I think I’m one step ahead of you because I never went back for seconds, 😂

@adorabell4253

2 жыл бұрын

The newest one is a Guy Ritchie movies which says it all. It's not meant to be accurate but a medievalish skin for rapid-fire quips and cool cinematography. Though his mobster works are his best, imho. Lock Stock is a cult classic for a reason.

@sanderkiki

2 жыл бұрын

@@adorabell4253 Guy Ritchie one was basically a fantasy tho, so i can bear with it. What about latest...Green Knight, the lamest interpretation of Athrurian legends i ever saw on all aspects, starting from Hindu Gawain to the total miss of the moral and representation of the story.

Arrow heads (-->) often have barbs. I think even if the arrow sticks in the tree the shaft might come out of the head. A nail has the friction of the whole nail but the only friction on the arrow would be the head. You might need a long and narrow (nail like) head to stick into a tree better.

My father is a HAM radio operator. We have a few large trees in our yard clumped together. We set up a skeleton antenna by taking my bow tying rope to it and shooting the arrows up over the trees and the proceeded to string up the antenna through the limbs. Granted we were only shooting 30-50 feet up and was not going for distance. Looked like a giant spider web. Worked amazing. I remember talking to the ISS when it was over our part of the world. Very cool memories from doing this.

Have you ever tried arrow fishing? It's essentially a small rope that is attached to the end of an arrow and carries it with the projectile.

@cdgonepotatoes4219

2 жыл бұрын

it is done in the short range and I've only ever seen such attachments for compound bows which shoot the arrow perfectly straight, plus the arrow is REALLY heavy making it much less likely to be influenced by the fishing line

@swedneck

2 жыл бұрын

wouldn't that be more of a string, not rope?

@andrewbeeco967

2 жыл бұрын

@@swedneck No. Regular fishing line breaks. We use paracord. What matters is how the rope attaches to the arrow.

@andrewbeeco967

2 жыл бұрын

@@cdgonepotatoes4219 Mine uses para cord and not fishing line. I've used it to hit targets before and reel them back in. Essentially, what matters is the difference in weight of the arrow to the rope, where it attaches to the arrow, and the amount of resistance it experiences when it is unraveling.

@cdgonepotatoes4219

2 жыл бұрын

@@Maninawig I didn't come with my comment claiming I've seen all of it and I'm some expert, so I'll take you on the word you know better than me.

coil the rope in an 8 pattern like doing infinity sign. That will help the rope release better rather than O coil. We use it in Electrical engineering when using Thick wires. Also curious if you use Rope that's a bit more rigid like the one used for rock climbing or something similar that's lighter.

@benrex7775

2 жыл бұрын

Different rope layout, different rope stiffness, different rope attachment to the arrow, different rope surface, different arrowhead, different target material... There are a lot of things one can experiment with. And the situation can be improved quite a bit. But I don't think the situation can be recreated.

@chrisrudolf9839

2 жыл бұрын

I guess Shad was trying to use materials that were close to what people would have in a medival setting

@benrex7775

2 жыл бұрын

​@@chrisrudolf9839 They had a wide variety of arrow heads. But if he went with fantasy then he could have optimized and tried out a lot of things. But that requires a lot of time.

@andrasbiro3007

2 жыл бұрын

And you really don't want coils if lots of amperes are running in your wire.

@iBloodxHunter

2 жыл бұрын

Would it help if the rope was elevated rather than coiled up? Also why is it not tied to the end? Tying the rope in the center is asking for failure.

One thing about your arrows sticking into the tree is that the type of wood produced by the tree. I have seen an arrow sink half of its shaft into a birch tree because of its really soft wood. And there was no way of getting that out, especially as the arrow is still there right now.

Actually, this reminds me of the anchor chain video. Let me explain, an anchor doesn't simply root a ship to the floor of the ocean, its the anchor, and the weight of the chain creating friction which keeps the ship from moving too much. The same thing is happening with this rope to a certain extent. The rope adds a ton more drag (aka friction) so the arrow is weighed down.

The only times that I know of where this technique was actually used in real life was for the building of rope bridges over ravines. Twine was tied to the arrow and it was fired over the ravine and retrieved by someone on the other side (it wasn't shot into anything). Then a thin rope was tied to the twine and pulled across and then a heavier rope was tied to the lighter rope and so on. It was never expected to hold the weight of a person and was never used in a combat situation (so they had all the time they needed to make sure that the twine was laid out in a way that it wouldn't kink).

@MrFusselig

2 жыл бұрын

It was also at least used once to flee from eastern to western Germany in March 1983 by Holger Bethke and Michael Becker. Starting with a light fishing cord and ending with a 6mm steel rope, while they as well had an ally in western Germany to pull on the string. Distance was 105 meters.

I've done this with a bow and fishing reel to get a line into a tree. Once the fishing line is over take the arrow off and use it to send up a rope or a thicker line to send up a steel cable. Easiest way to get a rope into the top of a tree from the ground.

@Well-groomed_Hobo

2 жыл бұрын

My dad used to use a mini crossbow with some fishing line to help him run phone lines when he worked for BellSouth

@Glorfindel_117

2 жыл бұрын

I've seen a few comments talking about sending a smaller line to "help get the big one across" now. For someone who has handled a rope maybe twice in his life, what do you mean? So you have a small rope draped across a tree now, what does that do to aid with getting a bigger one up there? Does it come alive and crawl up the smaller one like a snake? XD

@Maria_Erias

2 жыл бұрын

@@Glorfindel_117 You use the end of the thin line and tie it to the end of the rope. Basically, you shoot the arrow over a tree with the thin fishing line (or similar) attached, then tie the end of the line to the rope and go to your arrow and start pulling on the light line to snake the rope up the tree. I do something similar when running rope up over branches in order to get food up off the ground and away from bears when camping except I use 20lb test line and tie it around a rock, then throw the rock over a branch and use it to pull my rope up and over.

@townwitchdoctor5538

2 жыл бұрын

You shoot the first line over the tree, usually you have to wiggle the line to get the arrow back to the ground. Then you take the arrow off and tie a thicker rope to the end of it and pull it up back the way it went over. Then you tie a knot like a bowline on one end of the rope around the standing section of rope and pull it so the loop secures around the trunk of the tree. Sometimes you need a thinner line between the two stages especially for a steel cable.

Be interested to see you use properly spooled fishing line for this. I know some of the commercial fishing line is rated for over 300 lbs and the entire 1000 yard spool weighs something like 12 pounds.

They probably shot arrows across a river with light rope, then had swimmers cross. Then thicker, stronger rope could be tied and drawn across the river to secure. Repeat this 3 more times and you have built a rope bridge. 2 crossing lanes. Top ropes offset from bottom ropes for easier balancing.

18:45 So, at this point, this still seems useful in a utilitarian role, but really not so much in a combat role. In many situations, getting a rope to cross a large gap can be problematic. I can see this as being moderately useful to send a guide line across that gap over which one can pass thicker ropes and cables. However, this still requires a person on the other side to pull the guide line in. However, a properly-coiled rope with no knots or snags and a good wind-up, I feel like throwing that twenty meters is pretty reasonable, so even then, maybe not so much for string-on-bow.

@GremlinSciences

2 жыл бұрын

Tie a good Monkey's Fist on the end and twenty meters is more than doable by just throwing the rope. I'm curious how well it would do though if the entire length of the arrow was used to coil the rope instead of just using the last decimeter or so of the shaft. If you coil it tightly like that, you could probably get away with a much lighter arrow at the center. Either way, even if the arrow _could_ go a long way with the rope and stay securely lodged in the target, you're putting your entire weight on that arrow. It is not going to hold up unless that arrow is made of special materials.

@SantaMuerte1813

2 жыл бұрын

@@GremlinSciences I don't think the arrow material is even that relevant, when it comes to supporting a persons weight. Since the weight pulls on the rope in almost every case I can think of, the rope would pull on the arrow along its axis, not along its diameter. Thus, the relevant factors would be the friction between rope and arrow (which can be tied in a way to increase with the force pulling on it), the ultimate tensile strength of the arrow shaft (and I'd be very surprised, if the arrow shaft would snap from a person hanging from it) and most importantly: the ultimate tensile strength of both the arrow head and the method, by which it is fastened to the shaft, as well as the friction between arrow head and whatever you've shot the arrow into.

@heyyou9137

2 жыл бұрын

Stone tied with a rope will be much more effective than arrow

@monkeybandit222

2 жыл бұрын

Simply put, use a harpoon rope :)

@LeeryMuscrat

2 жыл бұрын

when i was working installing network wiring this was a problem we faced a lot. sometimes you would have to run wire across a building inside a drop ceiling. we had a tool that shot a plastic arrow that had a guide line attached to it. it was super useful to get a line across a building without having to take out every other tile.

I love how the bow's strength is measured in pounds but the distance of the arrow's flight is measured in meters.

@beauleidig8670

2 жыл бұрын

I'd assume it's due to bows having been around for thousands of years before the creation of the metric system. Just one of those weird instances where a culture around an object is so well established that it doesn't change with the times.

@cubeul2943

2 жыл бұрын

@@beauleidig8670 That and the fact that, since grams measure mass, rather than weight he’d have to use newtons, and nobody understands newtons

@niksimcoe

2 жыл бұрын

@@cubeul2943 Grams also measure weight; 1 lb = 454g. I agree that Newtons would be a better measurement as it measures force, but the vast majority of people don't know Newtons. is 100 Newtons a lot? I don't know. But I do know how much a 100lbs is.

@Naijarianman

2 жыл бұрын

@@niksimcoe 10N is approx weight of 1kg of mass. If you're use to kg it's quite easy to understand

@cubeul2943

2 жыл бұрын

@@niksimcoe Grams only measure mass, which is the amount of matter in an object. Pounds and newtons measure force. Weight is a force acting upon an object, usually used in the context of gravity but in the context of bows it is the force required to pull back a bowstring. People often think that grams measure force, but that is because the easiest way to tell the mass of an object is to weigh it.

Generally speaking you fire the arrow UP to a tower or something like that. Keep in mind this has some historical basis at least in theory. I have to think it inspired the Rangers going up Point Du Hoc on D-Day used mortars to launch ropes and pull up ladders to make the climb a shear cliff.

I appreciate that even the camera guy was in full garb

Look shad, Hawkeye isn't going to throw rope with his hands, he's got to use an arrow, its his entire thing, so if he has to shoot a rope 20 feet, that's what he's gonna do

@raymondsandalphonrahon6124

2 жыл бұрын

Hawkeye has a draw weight of 100 kg. That's twice of what shad is using. Hawkeye's arrow is also pure metal. So comparing hawkeye to a normal medieval hero is a bit too much.

@damonfernihough4398

2 жыл бұрын

@@raymondsandalphonrahon6124 are those tools more realistic in being able to do that however? not just from a superhero standpoint, but also from a modern tool system

@TheDeinonychus

2 жыл бұрын

@@damonfernihough4398 Well... Using modern high-strength, low weight materials, such as hollow metal shafted arrows and very light goretech cored coiled inside the hollow shaft, it would certainly be more plausible that it could be done effectively. Though to my knowledge no one has reproduced something like this. There's still the question if even a modern day compound bow would get enough penetration with a small arrow head to support a grown adult's weight. While you will get more penetration, there's also the ability of the material you're shooting into to not break under that weight as well, even if the arrowhead was strong enough to support it. It's why actual grappling hooks are, well, hooked and often pretty heavy.

@damonfernihough4398

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheDeinonychus could there be a way to use an arrow head like a grappling hook

@chrisruzsa2798

2 жыл бұрын

@@damonfernihough4398 not really effectively.

Despite Shads confidence that he wasn't going to hit a cow I kept just expecting to hear a moooeeerrrrwww, and he just has a guilty looking face on, like they don't normally go that far.

On the subject of heavier projectiles sometimes going further: this is something that long-range rifle shooters know all about. Lighter bullets will start out faster, but their speed often decays faster (due to a worse ballistic coefficient) than longer, heavier bullets of the same caliber. In the real world, aerodynamic drag has a BIG influence on the trajectory of projectiles. This, as well as the shaft-flexing described in the video, may contribute to heavier arrows often going further when shot from the same bow as lighter arrows. Velocity over the WHOLE time of flight matters, not just initial velocity.

I love that you can actually hear the unteathered arrow *swoosh* through the air right after he fires it.

We actually still do this in modern days. We fire lines from one ship to another to do resupply at sea. The key is you fire a very thin line across and pull over thicker and thicker ones until you get to an actual cable. Obviously not quite the same thing, but you could definitely do a similar thing with an arrow as long as the line was something very light, like the gut of 550 cord.

@MrNoobed

2 жыл бұрын

We use these to cross valleys or go down huge hills when setting telephone cable. We have special line gun with special rope cartridges to spool out perfectly. Shoots a .45-70 blank and a special projectile. Edit: and it's a very light rope. We send someone to the other end and pull a strong rope, then the support strand. It's not used very often either. Last time was like 12 years ago doing repairs after a fire

@JCTheSniper15

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrNoobed the ones we use are M14 rifles, but sounds like just about exactly the same thing.

@littlejohn-pi7kk

2 жыл бұрын

Similar for install of power lines across valleys or hilly terrain.

@jordanfoy565

2 жыл бұрын

I know naval ships still use the "fancy" lacrosse ball with rope method to moor in shitty ports. Basically an under barrel grenade launcher shooting a lacrosse ball with rope stacked at the foot of the shooter. Usually the loose end of the rope is tied to thicker mooring lines that the pier crew pulls in with the lighter rope.

@JCTheSniper15

2 жыл бұрын

@@jordanfoy565 yeah thats essentially what we do except our navy doesn't use underslung ones. They're adapters on the end of the barrel.

Huh, Shad's cameraman dresses like a squire. That tracks.

You should test it using a spool (just out of curiosity) to attempt to avoid tangles. That might do better, because it may have been getting slightly caught on the grass/ground.

Interestingly, British author William Hope Hodgson has actually accounted for this in his 1907 horror/fantasy/adventure story "The Boats of Glen Carrig". The characters try using this trick only to find out that when they attach a rope, the bow's range drops so drastically they completely discard that method.

Oz's comedic timing is a rare talent love it!

I'd love to see an attempt at shooting a pouch tied to an arrow, like what Rock did in The Way of Kings to attach a small pouch of spheres to the bottom of the bridge to be picked up later.

@amicaaranearum

2 жыл бұрын

"Journey before pancakes."

For your rope tangles, I've found the best way is to hand over hand feed it into a bucket.

9:36: “That was the intro” Honestly, that felt like 2 minutes

8:36 I know it's a cartoon, but I love how the rope isn't tied to anything, yet it's pulling up an entire horse with people on it with perfect balance and they're lifting all that weight by hand with all that stress being transferred into the knotted point of basically a wodden stick everyone is hoping won't snap in half as they yank directly on it instead of the rope itself 😅

@daimonmau5097

2 жыл бұрын

Dont forget the hulk grip strenght of that dwarf guy. his hands must be exerting extreme crushing force on that wood arrow, and still the wood doesnt care, haha.

@RutraNickers

2 жыл бұрын

presumably it is tied to the saddle? Maybe it could work. Would probably hurt the horse a lot and all that, but maybe?

@daimonmau5097

2 жыл бұрын

@@RutraNickers no, on the horse side it is ok, the thing is that the rope is tied to a small wood arrow, that is suporting all that weight as if made of a super steel, and too the grip strenght of the dwarf on the top of the ground.

"How far can we shoot?" "in terms of distance" Not sure why you're testing this without your brother, aka the best shooter in your family.

Can you shoot an arrow with a string tied to it? Yes it's called bow fishing and I'd imagine one could rig up some type of mid evil reel for a long bow

Looking good, Shad!

Bow Fishing Arrows are all Barb headed, not target pointed like the ones that Shad is using.

I was just watching you jangle that rope around for ten whole minutes before you shot it thinking about how badly you are going to ruin this test. In reality, you make your "perfect" loop ahead of time, TWIST IT, and then tie it that way. They you can quickly untie it, untwist it, and it is much more perfect to the purpose.

@shorewall

2 жыл бұрын

What about when he had the line completely unwound?

@austinnapier8233

2 жыл бұрын

He specifically said that he was testing a realistic scenario in which you need to improvise a solution using the rope and arrow, where you won't have a perfectly looped length. Plus, he shot it completely unraveled and still saw drag that significantly reduced travel, and even if the distance is adequate, it's made moot by the fact that the arrow can't penetrate anything solid enough to support a person's weight or any substantial amount of force.

@grugnotice7746

2 жыл бұрын

@@austinnapier8233 It's like wearing armor wrong and coming to the conclusion that adventurers could never actually wear armor. I am far from an expert on rope handling, but I am pretty sure that they can be wound in a way that is easy to unravel while also being easy to transport, like the solution I suggested. Jangling all those loops around and over each other constantly was a recipe for failure, and it was obvious to anyone who has ever deal with an extension cord or rope.

@grugnotice7746

2 жыл бұрын

@@HiddenRealm Nobody is interested in your opinion, friend. Especially not me. I didn't replay to you, and I don't intend to, because your question is pointless and not related to anything that I said. Go get mad at the void and throw text walls into it.

@gaoaibai6243

2 жыл бұрын

@@HiddenRealm Damn dude you got rekted

Yes. As long as you have a heavy enough arrow and powerful enough bow. A harpoon is a great example to look at.

10 minutes and 15 seconds in and your yet to shoot a damn Arrow. I give up. Live too short.

Well Historians have said that, while Arrows with ropes were shot in Medieval times. The Rope was Thin( similar to what you were using.) Possible that they Did not go very far either. Most Likely was NOT used for Climbing. But possible for anchoring something to it or perhaps using it to shoot across small river or Across one side of a cliff to another. While another or group is on other side and pulls across a heavier Rope to build bridge across or for the RIver, possible to pull a Raft/boat across.

@gavaudan2131

2 жыл бұрын

Could be useful for measuring something, like the height of a wall

@IamGrimalkin

2 жыл бұрын

To be honest though, it seems kind of pointless. I could throw rope further than that. . People probably just did it as a gimmick. If there was any practical use in it, perhaps it was to shoot rope over something, as air resistance is less of a factor there.

@sanderus421

2 жыл бұрын

Bows today need up to 20 lbs. force to pull. Historians said that bows in medical times needed anything from 50 to even up to 100 lbs. force to pull. Maybe there is the secret?

@nowknow

2 жыл бұрын

People have indeed used this technique to start rope bridges.

@thesteaksaignant

2 жыл бұрын

@@nowknow isn't it more efficient to tie a weight to the end of the rope itself, spin it fast and release it like a slingshot ?

I've seen it done with a house's main power cable. But that was a special case: the archer was using a modern compound bow, modern aluminum arrows, and a spool of cable already fully entangled. Also, he only needed to cross about 10 metres.The line needed to cross a roughly 6m gorge to reach a cabin.

@Smoke_Snake

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, well in reality, you just throw, if you need to get a wire across a 6m gap.

@LadyDeirdre

2 жыл бұрын

@@Smoke_Snake Not in this case. The wire needed to go from 2m back from one side to a firm anchorage (a tree) about 2m past the far side. Otherwise, the cable's own weight might have dragged it down into the gorge.

@Smoke_Snake

2 жыл бұрын

@@LadyDeirdre It is still the most complicated solution I can imagine. I can tie the cable to a rock and throw on the tree branches, I can spool a bigger amount of cable to increase weight and then throw it, someone can be on the other side to catch it. You can use a fake wire, to pull the cable. There is many solutions, what does not require any special equipment. I admit tho, it is more fun to do it with a bow. :D

@robertmacdonaldch5105

2 жыл бұрын

@@Smoke_Snake throwing rocks is no where near as fun though

@J_Dukes

2 жыл бұрын

R/thathappened

My old man use this to get ropes across rivers about 30 years ago for swift water rescue, but he used twine then ties that to a rope

13:55 he shoots tied rope, 19:20 untied rope, 22:30 starts shooting at a tree.

I know that bow fishing rigs have a spool set up on the front of the bow, usually. This probably isn't practical for a war bow, but it may offer a more possible shot. maybe something held in the supporting hand as its drawn?

"This theory has been Shad on!" I like it.

Matching spine to the bow is also a matter of safety. Wobbling is one thing, but having the arrow blow up with thick splinters of wood sent directly into your bow hand can cripple you for life

Man I love your videos