If you'd like to help me make better videos and you enjoy absurdly comfortable T-shirts:) check this out-> www.etsy.com/ca/shop/TheFunnyCarpenter?ref=search_shop_redirect Thanks for watching!

Thanks for the review. Never saw your channel before. On the job today my m18 died. Home depot only had the m12 in stock. I passed.. Took the m18 radial arm saw on the roof to do some facia. I normally have a helper ( don't make him work weekends) without the oscillating tool it took longer than normal. Its amazing how we got by in the 90"s without these conveniences. Count me as a sub.

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for checking out the channel Rick. It’s funny the longer you own an oscillating tool the more uses you find for it!

It was hard watching macbook pro getting windows

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Oh snap! Very clever:)

@nelsonbrum8496

2 жыл бұрын

Best upgrade IMO.

Thanks for this video, really needed to know the difference between these two tools before i got the new M12 or new M18. M12 seems like the best bang for the buck.

I bought the M12. I love it. It is such a well thought out tool. The blade change is very clever. Great video!

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

I think initially I wasn't overly excited about it because I'd always really enjoyed the old M12, but after a month I'm loving the heck out of that thing.

@mfetzer1

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheFunnyCarpenter I think a month is when you start to really appreciate (or not) a tool. I've been trying to find things to cut. Lol

Dude I love your reviews. It’s relaxing just like watching Bob Ross paint. I did spit out my coffee when you cut into your Mack Book pro. Your my new go to guy for reviews. I sold my M18 for a new M12 which will be arriving this week. Keep up the great reviews.

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man! I appreciate the comment.

@alexyu6928

2 жыл бұрын

I am with you. This video is relaxing and easy to watch. I also watch the other channel where the guy screams and shouts all the time and that makes it hard to watch and enjoy.

I just recently discovered your channel, so I'm late to the party. But I love the content. When I discover a new channel I like, I like to go back and watch all the content in order, so I can see the production evolution. I try to comment as often as possible because I know the algorithm likes that. I'm a Festool fanatic (pronounced "snob") and I often have little nice to say about plebian tools (JK). But I'll say it anyways, because it helps the channel.

thank you, I was looking exactly for these items to be reviewed.

Dude, you’re videos are excellent and the channel is huge

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Curtis:). Turned these silly videos into the 1 thing I really focus on and the results are starting to come a bit.

Just found your channel, thanks for the awesome content. Im a carpenter here in east Texas. Looking forward to future videos.

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Sean, I really appreciate the support!

perfect review for I exactly what i wanted to know. I bought the M12 Fuel after watching this video and love it.

I've asked you about them in the past but I still can't get over how bada$$ those black and green nail guns look. I find myself staring at them sometimes and have to rewind the video to see what I missed lol

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

lol that's pretty funny!

Thank you for posting this helpful video

wow this is exactly the video i needed. crazy

Those Milwaukee Oscillating tools look like the Event Horizon without it's gravity drive.... :P

Good review, thanks

Excellent video by an actual user, thanks! Too many "Leroys" on youtube who get some free tools thrown at them, then in their "expert review" they do little more than read the specsheet...

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Theres nothing worse in my opinion than unboxing spec sheet type reviews! Throw in some bad camera work and poor lighting and you have a real terrible experience!

Very helpful review!

Gotta have those extra "M's" 😂

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

They're essential:)

Good Info! Now, how deal the M12 Fuel do against the M18 Fuel? I assume they are similar in performance but ergonomically different.

Great video as usual thanks

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Damn, I got the (non Fuel) M18 back in March. Should've waited for the (Fuel) M12, but I really needed something back then. It's serving me well tho, and I got it at an excellent price.

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

That M18 id a workhorse, it will last a long time!

The m12 slim battery can go up to 3.0 ah. Nice video.

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Correct! Thank you for clearing this up:)

@johnconner6446

3 жыл бұрын

Expensive though cost per Ah

Man I saw the Milwaukee wrenches and the back and knew you were a baller. Those things are PRICEY!! Glad I just got the m12 fuel over the old m18.

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

How are you liking it?

@CP-ok1gv

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheFunnyCarpenter I haven’t used it yet. But I’ve heard snd seen great reviews so I’m hoping it’s awesome.

@bnrlabs5923

3 жыл бұрын

Christian I was thinking the same thing after just buying the new M12 fuel. Of course now there’s an m18 fuel so....

Great video! You should check out the Festool cordless Vecturo - great machine and really awesome accessories!

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Looks pretty nice!

Crazy how few subscribers you have. All your vids I’ve seen have been quality, with no obnoxious BS. I subbed after your first M12 Fuel Multi tool review. Do you feel like the curved blade completely alleviated the precision issue?

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Steak Williams thanks mate. I feel like the curved blade and getting used to the faster cutting speed has made my ability to get nice precise cuts virtually the same.

Whats your typical runtime with various batteries? Do you always have to grab the XC 6.0 ?

I only have the M12 multi tools. The new one is really impressive. Your points are spot on. Pleasantly surprised with your test results. Now I know I'm not missing anything by passing on the M18. I have a LOT of both M12 and M18 tools. I almost always reach for the M12 first. They are just easier to work with, lighter, and have more than enough power for 90% of what I do. A HUGE bonus of the M12 line is the ability to pack a helluva lot more tools in the box or bag. The M12 line is fantastic.

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Great points, I'm always looking for tool that are nice and light with good ergonomics.

@Interdiction

6 ай бұрын

The New fuel m18 version is miles away from the m12 . This test is just not right

@mikemorgan5015

6 ай бұрын

@@Interdiction You're about 3 years late to this party. That's no problem, it happens to me all the time. I'm always looking for sound opinions. But we need to hash out some stuff to have a decent exchange here. What do you mean when you say "New fuel m18 version"? Explain "miles away"? "Better" is inherently subjective. What makes one better for you, and why? Please include the model numbers so that we know we are talking about the same tools. An attestation of "A much better than B." Without explanation is worthless to me. Are we even talking about the same A's and B's?

I find the intro funny because before this video I watched one that basically told me nothing of the differences in feel, performance, versatility, or anything between the M12 and M18.

Can’t wait to see the m18 fuel

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

No doubt, If I end up getting one of these I might have to find an old rusty car that I can cut in half!

I was hoping milwaukee would have introduced the quick blade change feature on the new m12 like dewalt. Its disappointing, ill just stick to my m18. Thanks for the video.

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for checking it out!

The 3.0 amp is on the smallest battery the straight battery. 4.0 when it start with the big M12 battery.

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, thanks for setting this straight:)

@brynnond.6952

3 жыл бұрын

It actually starts at 3.0 for the bigger xc m12 batteries which is kinda weird when you can get the same capacity in a small cp m12 3.0

@zachary3777

3 жыл бұрын

@@brynnond.6952 It's just newer technology.

@wolviestryder

3 жыл бұрын

@@brynnond.6952 you are right just saw that new 3.0 in the big L shape. I’m in my Home Depot and is a new item.

😂 i just got it that your roasting the guya at home depot lmao

The greater degree of movement of blades on fuel version causes less heat, and therefore the blades wear down slightly slower. That is why it feels a bit shaper on m12 fuel. It should not be a big difference.😊

Yeah I prefer the M12 all day even over the newest M18 the M12 is just amazing

@TheFunnyCarpenter

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely

Hopefully they will release a updated a m18 multitool. I dont want to get into the m12 line if I can help it. I wonder if the vibration on the m18 is wasted energy and power making the m12 more efficient and faster.

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

There is a new Fuel M18 out, but it is quite expensive. When I was cutting the door jams for what seems like forever, I did notice quite a difference in heat. The M18 ran substantially hotter than the M12. Cheers Randy

How can you compare this to the Old m18 version ? Odd Try the comparison with the new m18 version

Great video, isn't there a m18 fuel variant ?

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed! Hopefully I grab that one in the future, it would be cool to see how it compare to the Fuel M12.

@johnfiaschetti3926

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely look forward to it 🙂

@FathomSoundProAudio

3 жыл бұрын

Came here to inquire about that @John Fiaschetti @The Funny Carpenter

The beginning feels like what every online reviewer really is like

Well, now that I’ve gotten into the M12 platform, I wonder how this would compare to my Ryobi multi tool?

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Could be an interesting video for the future!

@glenndespres5317

3 жыл бұрын

Do it!

@A6Legit

2 жыл бұрын

Better 😏

Oh Leroy.... so cute:-)

Damn another tool I need to buy.

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Hello Christmas:). Thanks for checking out the Vid, sorry about the tool desires:)

@kds471

3 жыл бұрын

Just picked up the Fuel yesterday. Thanks for the push, albeit it took 7 months lol.

Can you please do a comparison between the m18 brushless and brushed version please ofbtge multi tool

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

I'll see if anyone I know has the new tool, lol I already have 3 multitools:)

The blade is likely sharper after use with the M12 because you have to push harder on the M18 to compete with the speed of the M12. I've used a buddy's M18 a bunch, and need to get my own. I don't care for the size of the M18 fuel version. I think I'll be buying the fuel M12 after seeing this video. Thank you.

@BCbikerhippy

3 жыл бұрын

Also, nice videos. 👍 I appreciate the real world reviews and your sense of humor. Seriously though, I've been needing to know how fast one of these cuts through golf shoes! 👊

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

It's answering those burning questions that really make the video.....:)

@BCbikerhippy

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Well done sir 👍

Anyone tried or seen the new M18 Fuel multi tool yet I haven't seen it out yet curious how it will stack up.

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

I'm sure I'll grab that the in the future and check it out:)

Milwaukee has a 6 amp 12v battery. Milwaukee just came out with a 18v fuel multi tool.

@tommystubbsjr4272

3 жыл бұрын

I just saw that today, the new m18 fuel kinda thought it was a typo untili

Sold!

Don't forget NPS showed the new M18 FUEL oscillating tool. It's a bad mamajamma, we should go fuel vs civi, 12vs12 18vs18. Then fuel vs. fuel

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

This would be awesome! Need a few more views before I can afford some more review tools:)

Let’s Go!

The M18 reaches full power in about 3 seconds while the M12 reaches it in only about 0.5!!!

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Great Point!

When I use my ridgid oscillating tool for more than 5 minutes it gets super hot and shuts down. I wonder If those milwaukee get hot ?

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

They get fairly hot after cutting through an entire battery in one go, but no shutdown.

Curved blades.......... I can’t believe I never thought of that. Definitely upgrading to the new m12 fuel. Any chance you’ve ever had issues with your new CT MINI1 cutting out with a red light on the cluster?

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

lol I'd better put the Canadian link in the description:p. Do usually use your multitool or Jigsaw to cut out the plugs?

@ThisTall

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheFunnyCarpenter great! I use the multi when the plant on is a shaker panel, and a jigsaw when it’s 3/4 MDF.

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Kermit I find I just always use the multi because otherwise my jigsaw marks up the panel unless I tape off a huge section... plus the with the multi tool you’re like 100X more likely to F something up:). Helps me keep sharp!

@ThisTall

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheFunnyCarpenter any chance you’ve had issues with that CT MINI1 cutting out with a red light on the cluster?

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Kermit I haven’t had any issues with the CT Mini other than breaking off the little tabs that hold the hose out the front. But that was just me being a moron.

Huh vid was too late. I went for dewalt with 5amp hour battery for $99. But I do love my m12's tools

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Dang, that's a good deal. The Dewalt is very nice, good job.

@pasqualeparente9776

3 жыл бұрын

I hate to say because I am heavily invested in Milwaukee, but DeWalt and Porter Cable have the quickest blade change. Excuse me I have to go wash my mouth. lol

Brother, the new M18 blows both of those away!

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

It has a blower?:). Hopefully I can grab one of those soon.

what about longevity and sturdiness

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

At this point it's hard to say as I've only had the M12 for a few months. So far so good. Happy New Year!

Which one is quieter

@TheFunnyCarpenter

2 жыл бұрын

The m12

So you’re not an Apple fan eh? Windows PC then? Haha great video! 👌

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

It was very sad to see that MacBook die in a freak wine hammock accident.

Love the hair

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

lol- this brought me back to days as a kid, for what ever reason I would do this from time to time to see if my family would laugh...some things never change:)

Yes yes it can haven't seen the video but yes it can

I got the m12 a little less than a year ago. Haven’t used it yet. I use my dewalt at work all the time. I haven’t found a blade that wants anything to do with a screw or even a brass closet bolt yet though. I love using it to cut off pvc for toilets and sink drains.

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This was the video that I was asking everybody about that I needed because I wanted to replace my M18 to save space in my boxes, yeah I think the larger stroke length is what saving your blade, what I like to do is move the blade left and right on tougher cuts to save my blade from burning up so that seems to be the same thing. What also found out who was that sanding with the M12 leaves a better finish because of its larger stroke length compared to the M18. I used to use the M18 to send the corners of my boats and it will leave swirl marks that were too tight. So the added stroke length really helps finish out that corner a lot better. Now I'm sending cabinets if that's my new job and I'm now noticing that it's much easier to send it's actually pleasurable to use as a sander which normally I will not use a oscillating multi-tool to sand. I usually use semicircle blades instead of the straight flush slate blades as you can hit it from the corner and then dive into the side to make those box cuts a little bit easier with less vibration of the blade. Additionally imperial blades are much much thinner and flex much more than the dremel blades have used in the past. But seriously this is the video that everybody needs to see that it is with getting the M12 unlimited sure if the m18s necessary. For comparison I've used the M18 cordless versus the rigid corded and it's about the same speed or faster, so you're looking at a faster than corded speed already.

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Some good info here, thanks for commenting!

Comparing to the old m12 to the new m12, and old is a piece of crap. It pains me as I spent a hunnert bucks on the old one a year ago and now it’s gonna be a paper weight. Any ideas on what to use the old one for?

@nelsonbrum8496

2 жыл бұрын

Give to your girlfriend/wife.

Never thought I would see someone cutting a shoe with a multi-tool. 😅

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

lol- I did a test run with one of my sons old shoes and it cut through like butter. Those old leather golf shoes were a chore!

@David-hv1ps

3 жыл бұрын

And MacBook Pro

Well there ya have it. I’m selling my M18 and switching to the new M12. Hahahaha stinky golf shoes. Classic

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Sean, If you end up with the M12 let me know how you like it.

@seankadar9550

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheFunnyCarpenter you’re welcome. You have great content by the way. I will absolutely let you know. Probably will pick it up next week. I use a Roberts jamb saw for undercutting because my M18 just doesn’t make a perfect cut. I’ll be testing the M12 on a jamb ASAP.

great vid, i was asking myself this exact question. tool improvements are so hard to gauge but this is a no brainer. should be able to sell the old m18 for the cost of the new m12 fuel with the deal going on now

As a home depot employee that works in the tool section I'm very offended!

@ThisTall

3 жыл бұрын

RANDY!!

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Was it the beard pony? JK- I'm sorry to have offended you, but as a guy that's been using tools every day-ish for the last 20 years, I've become a bit uppity in the tool department:)

@randybobandy9828

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheFunnyCarpenter lol I'm kidding! I'm not offended or employed by home depot! Great review!

@brooKlynKiteflyer

3 жыл бұрын

Randy, Thanks for helping me out the other day. The guys at the plumbing section always so helpful there oh gosh!!!

Just got the M18 version a few months ago. I love it, as a multi tool is about the funnest thing to utilize, but the non existent magnet is very irritating, the vibrations are killer (as an hvac installer i already have some screws loose, dont need more), and way too bulky when using the larger batteries, which is usually necessary. Will be making the switch to the M12! Can't wait to see what its like coupled with a 3.0ah compact battery. I like your reviews, hoping to find one on the M12 5 3/8" circular saw!

If you’re a flooring guy remember that the new M18 fuel exists too! At least right now in Canada you can find the regular m18 version for about $100 cad, the M12 fuel bare tool comes in at closer to $175, and the M18 fuel $270. So the standard m18 arguably has better price to performance. I however appreciate the significantly improved ergonomics of the M12. I will say a bit like their M12 fuel Hackzall it really isn’t significantly smaller then its brushed 18V counterpart. Im not complaining though since I would almost always take a tool that’s 15% larger and heavier if it means it’s a more robust tool. Most of the tool manufacturers seem like they are in an arms race to make the smallest, lightest and most powerful tools they can, especially drills. In my experience they simply aren’t as robust, they have too much power, not enough cooling, and mechanical components which aren’t strong enough for heavy duty work. I eventually gave up and bought a Hilti SF 10W-A22, Hilti doesn’t seem too bothered about competing with the other tool manufacturers because if they skimp on the engineering it bites them in the ass since they have a 20 year warranty. The first two years of which is an unlimited wear and tear warranty you could literally run it over with a tank and just say uhh it broke and they will replace it lol.

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Daniel M wow, Hilti’s warranty is ridiculous! I’m going to have to check out their tools more closely.

@DMSparky

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheFunnyCarpenter yeah you kinda have to wait for a deal or something to come up because you are definitely paying for that warranty and robust engineering. My boss actually paid for the Hilti drill after my 2706-20 shot flames out of its cooling fan hahahahah. Ended up having an issue with the Hilti but it was fault of the user rather then the tool. Hilti happily fixed it without question and much faster then Dewalt or Milwaukee Warranty work I’ve had done in the past. Also as an electrician I want to tell you I appreciate you attempting to cutout a somewhat square box for our plugs. I’ve had to cut a lot of millwork that don’t even fit a plug let alone a plastic extension ring hahaha. One last comment about Hilti is even though I only own two tools they are so professional. They treat me like a ballin business partner I’ve been assigned a rep who phones me a couple times a year asking me how the tools are performing, how work is going. Usually also asking me if I have seen their latest sale flyers and informing me that if I spend only $8000 on concrete inserts or something random I’ll receive a free jackhammer or something hahahahahah. They just assume all the people using their equipment are businesses building hospitals and oil refineries.

@anfernyjackson9013

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure if the 20 year Hilti warranty is worth it for consumers, though. From Canada as well, and last time I brought in a 2+ year old tool for repair (wasn't used too heavily, either), they wanted $175 just for a diagnostic (price could be different depending on the tool though?). Haven't had a tool from the major pro brands give me trouble for years unless it was something taking a lot of abuse daily (angle grinder in a steel shop).

@DMSparky

3 жыл бұрын

@@anfernyjackson9013 wow that seems insane. I didn’t actually realize that. I haven’t had a tool break after the two year mark. That seems like a huge load of BS to charge a diagnostic fee on a premium tool like that. I literally just brought a tool into my local Milwaukee repair joint from 2016 no money exchanged handsz

Accurate depiction of a Home Depot employee. The vast majority of them don't know anything about the tools they sell or how to do simple projects. And yet, people still ask them about building codes, and how to do in depth installation or repair. An orange apron does NOT mean expert.

@praetorianstride5948

Жыл бұрын

Orange man not mean expert

Just an FYI. I was using a multi tool for 2 - 3 hours straight with couple of minutes break and then took a 2 hour lunch after which another 4 hours of multi tool. At night i started having a nose bleed and would not stop. I had a heart surgery in 2012. I read this which researched whether the tool/vibration was causing this. What is hand-arm vibration? Hand-arm vibration is vibration transmitted from work processes into workers' hands and arms. It can be caused by operating hand-held power tools, such as road breakers, and hand-guided equipment, such as powered lawnmowers, or by holding materials being processed by machines, such as pedestal grinders. When is it hazardous? Regular and frequent exposure to hand-arm vibration can lead to permanent health effects. This is most likely when contact with a vibrating tool or work process is a regular part of a person’s job. Occasional exposure is unlikely to cause ill health. What health effects can it cause? Hand-arm vibration can cause a range of conditions collectively known as hand-arm vibration syndrome (HAVS), as well as specific diseases such as carpal tunnel syndrome. What are the early symptoms? Identifying signs and symptoms at an early stage is important. It will allow you, as the employer, to take action to prevent the health effects from becoming serious for your employee. The symptoms include any combination of: Tingling and numbness in the fingers; Not being able to feel things properly; Loss of strength in the hands; Fingers going white (blanching) and becoming red and painful on recovery (particularly in the cold and wet, and probably only in the tips at first). For some people, symptoms may appear after only a few months of exposure, but for others they may take a few years. They are likely to get worse with continued exposure to vibration and may become permanent. What effects do these symptoms have? The effects on people include: Pain, distress and sleep disturbance; Inability to do fine work (eg assembling small components) or everyday tasks (eg fastening buttons); Reduced ability to work in cold or damp conditions (ie most outdoor work) which would trigger painful finger blanching attacks; Reduced grip strength, which might affect the ability to do work safely. These effects can severely limit the jobs an affected person is able to do, as well as many family and social activities. Link: @t Just thought of sharing.

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing this!

6 extra M's 😂

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Never underestimate the power of the M's:)

2:32 my m12 battery is freaking hard to pull off I should get switched out! Edit: can I get a comment or thumbs up please, so I can find this easily. Incase I need to show customer service

🎄☃️🍻🍺☃️🎄

team 12

I spy the new m18 vac in the back

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed, if you want to see it compared to the Makita Vac, check out the channel.

Pounds baby pounds grams is what cocaine is weighed

Did anyone really think a 5 year old Brushed tool (with worn brushes) was going to beat a brand new Bushless Fuel tool ???

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Don’t sleep on those 6 extra M’s Brian:)

I wish there were more tool reviews destroying apple products in testing. Appropriate use of garbage short-life electronics.

The amount of soy in this video is scary

Fake review both of them exactly the same motor, power. Don’t trust this review. Other reviews I saw they said there is less vibration on the m18. MY JUDGEMENT ON THIS REVIEW CAN BE WRONG DUE TO THE NEW BRUSHLESS MOTOR ON THE M12 MULTI TOOL. I TAKE MY STATEMENT BACK AND I APOLOGISE.

@TheFunnyCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

Kabir miah that’s the old M18 with the brushed motor- the vibration difference between the two is palpable. The new M12 Fuel is miles better.

@Whatyousee1

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheFunnyCarpenter ok I will take back what I have said, it makes sense what you are saying now. Will edit my comment. Other reviews I saw said vibration was less on the m18 but I see where you are coming from though I have not tested them. Thanks