Has training been watered down for females? Should the USA Start a Foreign Legion Unit. Work Your Way to Citizenship? French Foreign Legion Training - kzread.info/head/PLeU0ya-0QaySkhIoSOXy40CW_jYcrwJkv

@duppy8457

Жыл бұрын

Every phisical standard was lowered to enable women to be up to scratch

@YouPousti

Жыл бұрын

Why so the yanks can stick their noses into more business that doesn't concern them? Fk you guys need to mind your own business

@davidweyer79

Жыл бұрын

Yes it has...and women should not, under any circumstances, be allowed in high-load combat arms units (Infantry, special operations, etc.). These MOS's are meant for men. Sorry...our bodies are different. 1) Hygeine requirements for women vs. men. 2) Men are built to carry more. 3) Men are more emotionally equipped to deal with battlefield situations.

@YouPousti

Жыл бұрын

@@davidweyer79 lmfao malakas like you who still think they live in the 60s/70s have no clue what so ever. How about America for once minds its own business and just fks off completely...sounds good Idiots have anything and everything possible whats next huh a colon force or maybe even a fallopian tube spec ops?

@2sqnbandit379

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I’ve witnessed it myself. Standards have to drop to allow women to physically do the training. Push ups or press ups for example. Females don’t have to do the same as men. Fitness tests are different. They’re a burden in the field with toiletry needs, over emotional & inappropriate relationships do happen effecting moral. Standards in the British military have dropped to accommodate women 100% they had to.

A Foreign Legion is a grand idea. Such people are willing to work and suffer to get citizenship, but... never lower the standards! Every job has requirements. If you can't meet those, do something else. There is no shame in that.

@JamesonsTravels

Жыл бұрын

love the idea but the implementation in the usa would be a complete s-show

@somewhere6

Жыл бұрын

@@JamesonsTravels At the present time, that is likely.

@AgeDrain

Жыл бұрын

I believe for the US to do that it would pose more national security problems than actually solve any.

@scottfoster2639

Жыл бұрын

No kidding. Too much work for French citizenship. Might as well just schlep across the Mexico-US border and get citizenship for free...

@neildavid10

Жыл бұрын

@@AgeDrain true but then again what’s the difference between that and green card seekers or hell your own citizens? It’s the same risk, anyone can be a spy or a threat to national security. This idea would only be a problem because of optics nothing to do with security threats.

We had a platoon of females along for combat training when I was in the Marines. It was a joke at best and terrifying that they were even there at worst. We finish the training with a 10 mile force march back to base. This is after being awake for a couple of days so you are already pretty spent. At first some of the guys were a little worried because of how exhausted we already were. Thing is they put the female platoon in front to set the pace. They set a pace that was so slow we actually regained energy as we leisurely walked back to base. I was tail end Charlie with the instructor and we were making jokes about how many of the girls would fall out. We weren't even a mile in when they started dropping. There was a steady stream of females falling out the whole way back. They were picked up by truck and driven the rest of the way in. Before we finished every female had dropped the march. We knew the last one had been picked up because there at the end we suddenly picked up the pace. Sure there are roles for women in the military, but physically demanding ones aren't it. That whole platoon that dropped out passed the same as all the men did. It's insulting to the training and always lowers the standards.

@imaXkillXya

Жыл бұрын

Haha was this back in 2015. One of my friends completed it. She told me she would never do anything like that again. Then she went EOD.

@thegimpygamer

Жыл бұрын

@@imaXkillXya no way before that. I served two tours of duty in Iraq (2003-2005) so this would have been in 2001 or so.

@cathoderay305

Жыл бұрын

I think the surest way of demonstrating the differences is to have a long-term war game between all female and all male units. I've no doubt that the male units will prevail, particularly if the operations are of long duration.

@samuelshin593

Жыл бұрын

Females make good pilots though. Flying helicopters and such.

@cathoderay305

Жыл бұрын

@@samuelshin593 I don't know, because I've never seen an objective physiologically valid study comparing women to men in aircraft combat operations. No one wants to do direct comparisons to determine the most combat effective personnel because it's not politically correct to state that there are differences.

During WW2 my grandmother worked in a munitions factory, and brought up my dad. She helped the war effort. She didn’t need to be out in battle to prove herself

@Dan-oo1tm

Жыл бұрын

Mine too, armory in Holyoke Massachusetts.

@jamesJohnson-qe4gw

Жыл бұрын

Shes a national treasure

@markorsrpska7230

Жыл бұрын

My grandmother delivered three healthy boys for the future war. She is a national hero.

@aburden8580

Жыл бұрын

@@markorsrpska7230 Dumb 'cannon fodder' award goes to... She could've been separated. Specially Selected fit 'fathers' plant Super Seeds.

@evan6901

10 ай бұрын

Fantastic point, we all contribute meaningfully wherever we are best suited. Those munitions workers were a Godsend at that time. Female medical staff saved tens of thousands of soldiers at least. Many of them lost their lives as well, all deserve respect.

I served in the Marine Corps for 21 years with 3 years in combat. One time while on annual leave, I was doing some winter camping in the mountains in New York on x-country skis with a heavy pack. On one downhill run, the tip of my right ski caught a root of a tree just under the snow and the momentum with a heavy back completely dislocated my right hip. My partner dragged me to lean on a tree while he went for help. It was close to dark, it was very cold, and my right leg was facing180 degrees the wrong way. I was the most painful injury you can imagine. I also fractured some bones in my leg and a couple of vertebra. My partner returned about 4 am with a park ranger on a snow ski with a stretcher. When the doctor reset my hip, he said I was lucky it was so cold out as to prevented too much swelling, slowed the blood circulation, and made it easier to reset. He suggest that he not put a leg cast on but rather just use crutches so that I will naturally use my leg more and it will heal faster. It took 8 weeks before I could try to run again. Only made it a hundred yards the first attempt. Over time, I gradually was running 5 miles a day at work over lunch and when things were quiet in the office, I eventually would make it a 10 mile run. But yes, that guy was in intense pain. I know first hand.

@yakinikutabetai4780

Жыл бұрын

i never want to experience this lmao

@casedistorted

Жыл бұрын

oh that sounds lovely.

@stendari07

11 ай бұрын

Happens in Finland every year to few jaegers. But it's The way IT goes

Just for the info: No females are accepted in the legion. Some female officers or NCOs might serve in the legion as nurses or lawyers but they are not legionnaires. Second point. Officers in the legion are not considered "Legionnaires", unless they came from the ranks which is rare. Only people who can be called legionnaires are the ones who have worn Képi Blanc.

@nolangonzales8534

Жыл бұрын

thats an interesting note.

@REVOLVER_NOIR

Жыл бұрын

As a US Marine I wish I had a chance to try to earn the White Cap. 😎

@thomast8539

Жыл бұрын

@@REVOLVER_NOIR If you decide not to remain in the Corps, you can still join the Foreign Legion until you are 39 years old. So, if you are still in that age range, then the possibility still exists. You never know.

@Buster_Piles

Жыл бұрын

And that's a good thing. The Legion is still officially hard. No "Emma and her 2 mums" merde there.

@jeffhill7324

Жыл бұрын

100% correct mate. He's going by the French armed forces allowing women to join by law but the legion still selects and I've seen people booted from selection for being Romanian 😳

Jeopardizing the effectiveness and safety of a combat unit for the sake of "social equity" is ludicrous on every level.

My grandmother is 96 years old. She worked in a munitions factory during WWII. She didn't need to be in combat to prove that she could contribute to our country.

@susanthejew6351

Жыл бұрын

copy paste much?

@enzo526

Жыл бұрын

Nice copy

As some one who has done this training with the french foreign legion. The instructor is much to relaxed normaly on the course they keep you under preasure, but every one is exausted after the 2nd day. Doesn´t matter who you are and how good you were. You feel like a rookie in basic training. Those Legioners are once of the best pro´s i have met in my military duty. I can´t remeber that a cornel came to see us, but to be honest that was so exausting that wouldn´t remeber even if he was there.

Not gonna lie, man or woman, the shrill screaming on every obstacle, the anguished contorted face, the whimpering sobs and breaths... that would be enough for me to dislike someone, especially when I am expected to entrust my life to their hands. Soldiering is more than passing a course, you have to thrive in the muck a little bit. Not to mention the operational security and general morale impacts of making a ruckus every time you get a booboo.

@Roarke231

Жыл бұрын

Get comfortable being uncomfortable

@1993j

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, she’s clearly been broken and instead of finding that next gear, drive or strength, she dealt with it wrong, pretty much from the start. I love starting a yomp and identifying who will go down throughout… It’s pretty easy to more or less identify every single person who’s gonna go down.

@Roarke231

Жыл бұрын

@@1993j right, I have spent some time helping train recruits and you can generally idenity with a 90% certitiany who is gonna crumple.

@clashwithmoi8926

Жыл бұрын

Imagine how scared and confused the enemy combatants will be though. It's mental warfare

@dr.z3426

Жыл бұрын

@@1993j yeah I'm sure it's not hard to do whatever you did. 10 percent probably don't make it.

I tried for search and rescue passed everything except failed to be able to pull 300lbs out of the water. But I get it. When life's are on the line there's no room for special treatment. Most of those guys would have more bone than density than her. As far of injuries. I can't get past the crying if I'm going to cry, you best believe I'm going to crawl into a dark corner to do it. Won't be in front of anyone I'm meant to be leading. If you expect equality then they should expect equal performance. Not long ago I saw the search and rescue team pulling up a guy who's harness suddenly broke. The man was able to bear hug the victim till the helicopter pulled them up. In rough weather. Just unreal strength and grit to do that if I had of been the rescuer guy be dead...Does that make him more qualified.. sure the heck does 😂😂.

@andyeveritt9003

Жыл бұрын

ya still one hell of a girl

@DrAndrewHutchings

Жыл бұрын

@@andyeveritt9003 still not good enough and that’s what matters

@mark347347

Жыл бұрын

To have passed everything else is still something. With that grit, you'd make it anywhere and everywhere else

@sarahsmith8662

Жыл бұрын

@@DrAndrewHutchings you're not wrong . When it comes to saving lives you only want the best. But I've never had anyone I've helped say no thanks I'll wait. 😆😆 So there's that.

@talentlessproductions819

Жыл бұрын

I want to do search and rescue now

These women are attending the CEFE ( Equatorial Forest Training Course) in French Guyana. It is run by the 3REI ( 3rd Inf, Rgmt) but is open to all French units as well as friendly forces from around the globe including US. Marines, SF, Rangers, Seals etc. Regularly send members to get the qualification. Not all do…very tough course.

@mtango9985

Жыл бұрын

I thought so, because the ffl is only for men. No females, and it should remain something unique and exclusive for troubled men who just want a second chance.

@PeterJames143

9 ай бұрын

@@mtango9985 they're not *that* troubled. Minor scrapes with the law are okay, but serious criminals are unwelcome.

@balamohammed5947

9 ай бұрын

so its like the U.S Ranger School

When I was in the Navy there were 3 guys on my boat from different countries who had joined to get their citizenship, we already do this. It's just not separated from the main military.

Both females are Officer Cadets (as is the larger group of cadets). As part of their officer training, they are required to attend various commando training courses (such as this one in French Guiana). If they succeed and pass the commando course(s), they are ‘badged’ and can wear the badge (‘brevet’ in French) on their uniforms. All of the Officer Cadets undergo the same training regardless what their speciality will be once they ‘pass out’ and become officers in the French Military. They can be platoon leaders, military lawyers, admin staff or whatever they are deemed suitable for once they pass their Officer training. Of note is that although they are doing a French Foreign Legion commando course, it in no way implies that they will ever serve in the Legion once they eventually become officers. The Legion selects the best of those officers that request to serve the Legion under limited duration contracts. Legio Patria Nostra..!

@darrenmurray5599

Жыл бұрын

Also just to clarify, both females ‘completed’ the commando training course, but they both failed and did not get a pass mark, therefore they will not have the right to wear the badge (‘brevet’) and their military record as Officer Cadets will carry a mention of ‘FAIL’.

@darkwarriormaster9644

Жыл бұрын

When officers and enlisted train together, the officers are more likely to be harassed more the enlisted since the instructors here are probably NCOs. Officers are taught to lead by example. Also, there is a chance that the officer cadets here will be leading the NCO instructors in combat, so the NCOs are probably being hard also out of self-preservation.

@lucanton2088

Жыл бұрын

@@darrenmurray5599 salut mon frere...6eme REG 1995-2000

@darrenmurray5599

Жыл бұрын

@@lucanton2088 Salut camarade. 3REI (92-94) & 1REC (94-99).

@lucanton2088

Жыл бұрын

@@darrenmurray5599 i tried to get into the REC when they dissolved the "Levant" and merged us into the 1ere REG. Lots quitted. Really don't see how a woman will pass the farms or the CECAP. Fortunately i escaped the CEFE. Anyway old farts like me probably will never get along with new policies. You deployed in Licorne?

the legionaires are extrem though guys, different than the big marines that get a lot of support in combat, these guys often get their backpack for two weeks and no support at all, also the reason why the training is so extreme

@JamesonsTravels

Жыл бұрын

i am a fan of the legion. know some SA guys who did the legion for decades. hard af.

credit to her for showing up and putting it all on the line. that's gutsy

What happened at the end was they both failed to get a passing grade due to incomplete portions and taking too long but they did try it all and not quit voluntarily or actually die.

I was hiking with a former legionnaire a few years ago. I'm a pretty fit dude and couldn't keep up with him after the second day. 😅 He was chill about it and just slowed it down, pretty nice dude.

@JamesonsTravels

Жыл бұрын

known several but the SA guys who spent time in the ffl were hard af back in the 90s. zero slack.

@jldog134

Жыл бұрын

My Uncle who lives Las Vegas he's got poker buddy who I met and played cards with was ex French Foreign Legionnaire and he's also a Retired San Bernardino Sheriff's Deputy. Cool dude told me he Parachuted into the Congo once didn't say much after that.

@phyo1716

Жыл бұрын

@@jldog134 Search "Battle of Kolwezi". He was probably there.

Hey JT! Nice video! These students are not trying to become legionaires, they are from Saint-Cyr (French army officer school). This course is volountary and is not a requirement for them. It was created for those who want to have a taste of tougher training. It give them credibility as a leader if they can pass it.

@BoiledOctopus

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for context, Delphine!

@cecilia76984

Жыл бұрын

​ @Boiled Octopus You're welcome ! For better context, I need to correct myself: some officers will need to pass this course to access a certain "job", however this is rare, most can attend and fail without consequences. For the students, passing this course is a great accomplishment as the legion's training is very well respected by the French military.

@steveoc64

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. But I still think this is a complete waste of good resources. For example - I would like to be doctor ! Does that mean that - despite the fact that Im too grumpy, too old, too ugly, wrong attitude, and dont have the entrance grades for doctor school anyway .... but because 'I Want' ... does that mean I should be allowed to attend advanced doctor school, and do experimental surgery on patients - 'Because I Want' nah ... probably wouldnt let me in.

@cecilia76984

Жыл бұрын

@@steveoc64 ​ @steveoz As a medical student myself, your example made perfect sens to me ! And I tend to agree with you. Ultimately the goal is to form officers that can "lead in any situations" and lead by example. I believe it's a good way to force comissioned officers to gain some "real life" skills. But there shoud be a pre-selection so no recources are wasted. I'm unaware if some exist right now.

Devil Dog I went through a similar course as a Marine with them I was honored to be selected for a cross train with FFL and it is many really bad days in a row. I haven't finished the video yet but we had to do 90% of our own roping. I think there were a few pre set up crossing areas (different course than this) You know when you have that muscle failure and your body parts just don't want to work? We all went through that a few times a day. I really thought I was going to go insane through it. Obviously we didn't have instructors screaming at us or motivation through PT- Just two teams trying to get to the finish line. The thing about FFL as masterful as they are the part no one talks about is they are truly expendable. They are thrown into situations where the outcome is going to be grim. They go nonetheless and at night when not involved in training they sing songs about battles where they got crushed but in glorious ways. They are the most unique people I have ever met or trained with generous with their knowledge too. And to those wondering they no longer take most major felons.

Having your shoulder popped back in feels amazing. I tore all of the ligaments in mine and there was still about a 95% decrease in pain when it was back in socket.

In navy dive school we had 1 female in the class below me. She was a badass. She probably ranked top 10 out of a class of 50 on her PST. A phenomenal swimmer. She went on to be a dive med tech. They are out there but far and few between.

@JamesonsTravels

Жыл бұрын

agree. seen some standouts BUT mostly fall outs anytime its been a big ground hump or physical event. tough course in this one.

@carknower

Жыл бұрын

Never seen it, just like a unicorn 🦄

@MaddenMagician

Жыл бұрын

But that has nothing to do with being a grunt that's a specialized job

@rext3404

Жыл бұрын

How long ago was that?

@col.strayga1389

Жыл бұрын

One thing women excel at is endurance swimming.

Never lower the physical/mental standard. Women could do cross fit for a year before joining, would help a lot with upper body.

@RKmndo

Жыл бұрын

Yup. I'm not a tall, muscular guy. I was 5'8"/140-145lb when I shipped from MEPS. I got to boot camp already able to max the IST. I maxed the PFT, swim qual, and shot Expert. I graduated at about 150lb. I went to MCT and was Platoon Pull-Up Stud and Iron Mike there. I graduated MVOC at around 160-165lb. I EAS'd at about 180-185lb, still maxing the PFT. Military life seemed generally easier for me than most troops around me because I busted my a$$ to stay ready while I was in. I trained martial arts, practiced at local ranges, worked as a bouncer, swam and surfed, offroaded, mtn biked, did running/triathlon events, etc. I was less fatigued than others, so I was able to focus on learning. I could haul my load and somebody else's. I could keep a cool head and haul a Marine out of a strong current or cool down an unconscious heatstroke casualty without skipping a beat or freaking out. I had a few regular training buddies that were similar. Our little group was generally 1st Class PFTers, 1st Class or WSQ swimmers, martial arts students, offroaders, etc. Why somebody would go into infantry-type training without physically preparing themselves, at least a little bit, is beyond me. Playing COD every day for 5yrs straight doesn't prepare your body. People can die from just training alone. Prepare accordingly. It's not about being a bada$$. Even bada$$es aren't bulletproof or invincible. Hell, 2 Seals even DROWNED during the invasion of Grenada, and those guys swim like fish. It's about being able to accomplish whatever mission is assigned and looking out for the general welfare of your fellow troops. If you can't keep up in the field, choose a vocation that doesn't go to the field. The military NEEDS clerks, cooks, techs, analysts, hospital staff, drone pilots, diplomats, linguists, etc. If you have a calling to be a hero, but you'd be a physical liability in the field, become a hospital doctor/nurse. Become a virologist or similar, working with dangerous pathogens. Teach CPR/1st Aid. WORLD SOCIETY needs your kind of people...People who give a crap about others. Enough of a crap to actually DO something positive occasionally.

@johnmacleod9507

Жыл бұрын

@@RKmndo My cousin was SF and knew some the guys that went with the military doctors and nurses that went to deal with that ebola outbreak a few years back. Said those docs and nurses had big ones after just a glimpse of what ebola does to someone SF guys were like no effing way were they getting close to that crap.

I had a dislocated shoulder along with a few broken ribs. In my local hospital in the late 70's-80's we had some Navy LT. or Full Commanders that worked part- time in our E.R. We were only 20 minutes from the U.S. Navy Sub Base so these Dr.'s worked part-time to supplement their income and they were great! They had dealt with injuries from the Nam Era so they had seen everything. When the Dr. put my shoulder back in place it was fast and just one big OUCH! The ribs were more painful after being taped-up!

When I was 40 years old I met an Irish guy who worked at Inosanto Martial Arts academy who was in FFL for 3 years. He was stationed in French Guyana but he got kicked out cause he blew up a flag pole as a joke. He talked me into applying for the FFL and I actually called them in Aubugn France. I was 40 years old but was in great shape when I called they told me 38 years old was the cutoff age. I actually went to Iraq as a contractor at 41 years old.

There shouldn't be special treatment. That wouldn't be equality.

@JamesonsTravels

Жыл бұрын

we are already have it in PT standards and high weight/body fat.

Special concessions will just put other soldiers in great danger. They should hope that the enemy army would make special concessions too so they can have equal disadvatages.

@tc23emp

Жыл бұрын

Next time, they should try to find someone with three moms. I am sure at least one of the women can find another role in a military, and that's assuming they really knew what they were signing up for to begin with.

@ruanfelipebodnar6351

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, i think too many womans if they workout like a motherfucker doing a lot of pull ups etc can be in a really good spot with other man if they want.

It is one thing to go through the course, it is another thing to successfully complete it and be ready and willing to go on missions.

Makes me appreciate the seals telling folks to "suffer in silence " .

That's a good suggestion. Foreign Legion recruitment to get citizenship.

@JamesonsTravels

Жыл бұрын

any type of federal service to show the newbies to the country give a sh1t

@dapigudemao

Жыл бұрын

Just make sure you don't end up training your enemies

@kerebaka

Жыл бұрын

@@dapigudemao Exactly! In the French Foreign Legion, they reject a lot of applicants during the interview / investigation process mostly due to past drug-related crimes and other illicit activities.

There are some women that will be able to pass these obstacles. Mixed infantry units though do not create the most lethal fighting force. The dynamics of the unit change when they are mixed.

@huwhitecavebeast1972

Жыл бұрын

100%

@maxotaurus5140

Жыл бұрын

So all women units could work? There is a series about women simply serving and dying too and not nurses and drivers but infantry during WWII.

@shlamushaaretz5357

Жыл бұрын

@@maxotaurus5140 a unit of children or teenagers could also work, does that mean we should pursue this option? It is not the way of women to be in war. Society should steer away from this adverse option.

@maxotaurus5140

Жыл бұрын

@@shlamushaaretz5357 Society should steer away from war period🙂

@3adgamd3r

Жыл бұрын

@@shlamushaaretz5357 the Russians had the right idea, women make fantastic snipers, it’s a biological thing, mens eyes are better at tracking moving targets, whereas women are better at noticing hidden things in the environment I don’t think women can’t or shouldn’t serve, however I think the roles they serve in should only be the ones they are suited for

The Legion is the tuffest regular army in the world, good luck.

The crucible in 2003 in March was flash floods and the lowest temperature record in Pendelton history. We had recruits being resuscitated from hypothermia. All of the courses were flooded, and the reaper was dangerous for even the safety vehicles.

Will give her credit for determination. That mindset of "not going to quit" even when they hit the wall...always worth points even if you fail.

Sir. Love the channel and your commentary on this one. You said it straight when you said the jungle training would wear a majority out. Back in 1967 we were told by our DI on day one that most of us would go to Vietnam so training would be jungle like, especially the heat,. We thought we knew what to expect when we arrived in Nam but we had no idea of the agony that awaited us. Learning how to start an IV on a brother or even yourself was a must. People would vomit once and then not want to rehydrate. I never want to go thru that kind of heat and humidity again. Take care and keep uploading.

@stillcantbesilencedevennow

Жыл бұрын

Humidity can kill very easily. A mere 40% humidity is enough to almost mitigate everything your sweat does for cooling you off, causing a helluva overheating.

Can relate very well to the shoulder dislocation. First time was roping second on a parachute riser.

The French Foreign Legion do let foreign troops train in their Jungle Survival course in Guyana. It normally takes 6-8 hours to compete the final test. The longest ever time was 3 days by the USMC.

Back in 1980 I was in basic training at Ft. Sill, OK and we started the cycle with 8 or 9 females, at the end of a month we only had 4 and two of those became injured within the next month. Of the two females left, one of them was as good if not better than 3/4 of guys but with one week leftw before graduation, her buddy became pregnant, was removed from the platoon and since she didn't have a female buddy to room with, she was recycled. I'm glad our DI marched us by her new platoon so we could tell her good luck in a cadence. She was lucky I guess that platoon was in week 5 or 6. She was one tough soldier.

Love your comment on boys getting used to bumps,bruises etc etc. when I was a kid we used disappear into the bush and jump off trees etc into the river. Ride our bikes into big piles of sand and dirt to see how far we could fly over the handlebars. Coming home banged up was normal!

@karljg19

Жыл бұрын

Ha ha. Fact! My Mom was on a first-name basis with everyone in the emergency room.

@kp7032

Жыл бұрын

Not only the boys! I was all for climbing (and jumping out of) trees, go cart racing, etc., and even at 51 I’d still rather go clambering over rocks and jumping into rock pools, instead of boring coffee mornings, although I’m slower now. I intend to continue to do so and show my grandchildren of both sexes how much fun can be had doing the same.

@user-iv9qx3nv3i

Жыл бұрын

@@kp7032 that’s not that point😂 there’s a place for everyone, females are great at hands medical procedures on and intelligence work. the average male can’t pass military pt standards because they didn’t continue to get bumps, bruises, and scraps, don’t workout and expect to make it. With that being said a female has to work 10 times more than the AVERAGE male which isn’t much. I respect all women who serve especially the ones who find a fitting field to work in, I just joined and see plenty of women in the intelligence sectors something my dumbass can’t do Lol

Love your videos! Yes, an American version of French Foreign Legion would be a benefit to our country and for guys that want to prove they want to live in America.

No shoulder issues, yet. I've had my kneecaps partially dislocate. Makes it damn hard to stay on your feet and wait for a day or two.

The 2 ladies finished the course but didn't get the patent so they'll have to do it again if they want that certificate. This course, called the Jaguar course is an international acces course and it's organized in 2 different sessions, one for legionnaires and one for military personnel from countries around the world including french regular army. The jaguar patent is required in some special units iot execute jungle missions. It's like an extra qualification course that allows you to execute certain types of missions. This is not an exam to enter the legion. From the looks of it, the ladies got some preferential treatment, like instructors giving them extra attention and such. In a different clip, 2 Americans are sent home quickly after lesser accidents.

@3adgamd3r

Жыл бұрын

Could help that as far as I can tell, they’re also French, nationals always get a bit more slack

@kovy689

Жыл бұрын

So in other words, they failed.

After 22 years of the military and hitting 60 years old there’s no way I could that especially after the injuries and cancer

@JamesonsTravels

Жыл бұрын

the course looks like it will try anyone. been down there and other jungles its tough once you get any blister to keep it from getting infected.

@thomast8539

Жыл бұрын

There is still room for you to serve as a volunteer in plenty of places where you live. Never stop helping others and learning new things to improve yourself.

Hell yes!! We should do it here!

Highly, HIGHLY recommend Susan Traver's (first female Legionnaire) book: Tomorrow to be Brave. The woman was amazing.

@JimKalpa-qd9zr

9 ай бұрын

Is she fighting in ukraine...leading the charge?

@lances4803

9 ай бұрын

@@JimKalpa-qd9zr Travers? He fought with the Legion in WW2.

@lances4803

9 ай бұрын

@@ssnake6700 Really? Read her book and get back with me on that.

I'm surprised by the lack of yelling by officers.

an American "foreign Legion" would be a great idea.. it would be full of men literally dying to become Americans..100% down and would raise their family that way... can't go wrong..

@JamesonsTravels

Жыл бұрын

we basically had it during the civil war with new immigrants.

@beyondbackwater4933

Жыл бұрын

Well with all the Mexicans coming through and how many Hispanics join the military, why not?

@batboy555

Жыл бұрын

It would be Phillipino I think.

@user-jl3ny9zj2z

Жыл бұрын

American 'Foreign Legion' existed in Korean war !.

@Zed-ti9uj

8 ай бұрын

Yeah we do it's called the US military lmao open for all green card holders to be citizens

We already have a fast track to citizenship in the military. One of the coolest things I did was administering the oath while I was a commander in basic training.

In sports, these two women would probably do well in distance running, or other endurance sports. You need a different kind of athlete to do the kind of strength work required in the military. Basically, running great distances with heavy packs, and climbing steep surfaces with the same packs. Surprisingly, this would be an ideal situation for someone like a gymnast, who normally lifts their own body weight all day.

I had a dislocated shoulder and it is the third most painful thing I have ever experienced. Putting it back in hurts worse than the original injury and it takes along time to get over depending on how bad the damage is and rehab. I screwed mine up in 1973 and they had no idea what therapy was back then. I think they called it athletic tape. The standards should be the same for everyone. In a unit like the Foreign Legion the men would not have respect for the women, especially officers if they didn't qualify by the same standards.

@Mz-ci8wg

10 ай бұрын

Never mind the officers. No NCO or legionnaire would ever accept them. In fact too many would just desert out of sheer spite.

In Vietnam we had an unofficial, never mentioned Foreign Legion in the USMC. Three out of the 12 men in my particular squad were not US citizens. Two were from Mexico and one was from the UK. All three were intent on getting US citizenship and putting in time in the Corps improved their chances. Our Brit was kind of an oddity, because there were Australian troops in VN...he cold have gone that route but he wanted to be a US Marine. He was a good 0311 and could carry more gear than anyone else in the squad. There were more than a few non US in the MC, always spread out; Never formed into anything like a single unit.

Props to her for giving it a go

@damianoasteriti8530

Жыл бұрын

No, this is disgraceful and she should be punished by being chained to the kitchen for a year at the very least.

the fact that these women have the guts and determination to try the course means i would not think twice in following them into battle. this i because i know my abilities and the legion is not one of them

Still find her a brave example. At least she gives all her best.

@JamesonsTravels

Жыл бұрын

definitely. i am not doing it. she is so i wish her the best.

@MegaPikiman

Жыл бұрын

@@JamesonsTravels Thanks for your response and videos J.T. Big fan of your work.

Listen, I went through training in the Canadian Infantry, we were one of the first Cadre to include women. It was a clusterfuck. They were useless and we had to always stop and assist. There is a role for women in the military, but it is not on the front line. Period, FULL STOP. Sure some of the women were very well trained and motivated. But I would never take them into battle on the front line. Call me sexist or what ever, but it was a complete liability.

@YaMrsisGopping

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely true mate, but be careful you might offend some idiot not in the military who thinks they have the right to have an opinion on the subject, when they don’t…

@160thsoar6

Жыл бұрын

@@YaMrsisGopping 🤣 ikr so many people have an opinion and they’ve never even smelled gunpowder😂🫠

@ireland2657

Жыл бұрын

Bigot hahahahaha only messin..Troudung would defo sacrafise them in the name of diversity...

@ohauss

Жыл бұрын

@@160thsoar6 Kindly go into battle nude and without weapons and stop crying for the medic. Evidently, anecdotes to you are more important than something that's based on actual research. Gotta love people with gunpowder where the rest of humanity has brains.

@Golgi-Gyges

Жыл бұрын

If that is what sexist is, then many of us are.

Had a dislocated shoulder 4 times in last 3 yrs hurts like hell!

Brazilian Jungle War School adimited 2 woman to try it, both of them completed and became the first women to get the CIGS patch. There were no downgrades for them, they even had to shave their hair, like every other candidate

You are a Marine you already know we allow foreigners to join. I served with at least 12 Philippine sailors trying to get their citizenship. One from Trinidad one from Guyana etc etc etc.

@JamesonsTravels

Жыл бұрын

i am a big fan of the FFL. Meet some SA gents who spent time there. Squared away hard af men.

@RKmndo

Жыл бұрын

I served with guys from Philippines, NZ, Russia, Mexico, Vietnam, etc.

I'm over here rooting for her. 👌😆 This course looks freaking brutal!

@JamesonsTravels

Жыл бұрын

same. the course looks brutal and know some fellows that did it during the 80s. they say its a real challenge NOT to get a med drop for infection (feet). all i meet hid any complaints.

None of the trainees are from the Foreign Legion. They are cadets attending the jungle warfare course organized by the Legion. The instructors are all legionnaires, but the students are futur french officers which will then be dispatched to various branches of the land forces.

2:04 FYI: If you served honorably in the U.S. armed forces for at least one year at any time, you may be eligible to apply for naturalization. While some general naturalization requirements apply under INA 328, other requirements may not apply or are reduced.

The women never made the times , whenever " injured " they got rest and were allowed to return next day . There is no rest in hostile zones , period . They got by without filling the Standards the men had to go through . Just look at them in this video . They failed throughout but so called passed . Ya right !

@ktgiffin8147

Жыл бұрын

Every candidate on every commando course (jungle, desert, mountain, etc.) can have a 24 hour rest period for injuries that the medic deems not serious enough to merit cease training. Second, and this is kind of unique to the French Army, those ladies didn't pass, they finished. In the French Army, when you do a commando course, you have to finish it unless you're either medically withdrawn or the DS kick you off course. If you don't meet the standard, they tell you you're not going to pass, but you still have to ride it out with the rest of your course. Neither failure to perform not quitting will get you off course. Oh, you quit on the first test? That's nice. Now go finish the course and you can watch the rest of your platoon receive their qualification badges at the end, but you won't get yours.

They have to pass the standards no matter what. The point of all the suck, wetness,pain,discomfort, and pure misery is to simulate the most closest possible scenario to the stresses of real combat situations without having instructors put you into real combat. You need to no matter what the person you have to your left and right will fight through thick and thin in real life situations to not only complete the mission but to tough it out and not give up on your or the mission..No...Matter...What........period.

Stumbled on your channel decided to take a look I'm subscribed

Officer lead the way and set the standard for their soldiers.

So these are officer candidates from St Cyr, the prestigious officer school, like West Point or Sandhurst. They are being bought down to earth, Officers in general wouldn't be expected ted normally to do this type of courses because if they lose in direct competition with the ranks it could lead to issues with leadership. (much like the new office with a compass thing, which seems to be a common theme in all armies) Anyway, the instructor is being pretty gentle with them. p.s: I'm an ex legionnaire.

mentally HARDCORE & DOMINATION OF THE COURSE!

When I went through Field Medical Training Battalion West it was common for females to fallout on the hikes. One female was walking on a broken foot and she passed but then had to seek medical attention.

The F.F.L. must remain almost impossible to attain, but possible for the best chosen. There can not be room for weakness in such units. The US can not start one in it's present condition. When you have the USMC displaying Pride Crayons it's over. ALL of that nonsense must be eliminated and a harder physical training as well as mental preparing must be done again.

@JamesonsTravels

Жыл бұрын

the pride usmc post. does that help recruiting or the mission. NOPE

@Cesar-gg5rb

Жыл бұрын

I ain't having that bullshit propaganda in my unit

@thomasjefferson7584

Жыл бұрын

@@JamesonsTravels as a Christian it turns me off from continuing service. (Army Captain sick of Pride DoD posts)… my favorites though were the trans chaplain at the mcoe and the trans DS who bled out all over his cot nightly after he got bottom surgery (E TRP 2-15 cav)

@JamesDaniel217

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasjefferson7584 disgusting.

@peeratatr1492

Жыл бұрын

you guys saw the post too lol.. wonder who came up with that

Being physically exhausted can take your toll mentally too, and you can lose focus and concentration. I've got a knackered back and f'ed up knees now, due to what we used to have to do. Hats off to them all. ❤️ From the UK

@BertPreast

Жыл бұрын

I feel your pain - literally. I went into the RGJ at 16 and did 6 years, and now at 52 my knees and back are buggered. Can't even shag any more, but fortunately my wife is ugly.

She would probably have to be a world class athlete like a MMA fighter or a sprint swimmer

As for your question about American Foreign Legion, yes. Although, this kind of already occurs. Ive heard many folks from all over the world join the military. In fact about 5000 Legal Permanent Residents and Non Citizens join each year, and if you serve honorably for at least 1 year during peace time you are eligible for a green card.

There needs to be another element brought in to play if they are already bringing weaknesses into a squad. Let's say they meet a bare minimum in a course like this then they need to be the absolute top notch in another element. Everyone has something they are good at, so find that and figure out a way for the military to utilize it.

@JamesonsTravels

Жыл бұрын

tough training will have the pack turn on the weak link of any sex

@paleamigo8575

Жыл бұрын

That makes too much sense.

when she talked about her injury and knee she knew she was done.

Never had shoulder but dislocated my knee once playing as a kid. Excluding my hernia/surgery and recovery that was most pain ever been in. Still does weird click when stand up to this day too lol

Whining and crying your way through the French Foreign Legion? That's a bold strategy Cotton.

I think it can a good thing to have this kind of military. The reason is that not just the country wear you are from, but also the values like freedom you want to protect. In my case is it pretty simple. I am from Austria and we are a neutral country so we don’t have any military operations. But still I want to protect our western values. Do you understand what I mean?

@huwhitecavebeast1972

Жыл бұрын

Yeah well not everyone who joins is interested in American style freedom, they just want to escape their country or a bad situation. I would be ok with a special unit comprised of Europeans. America is culturally and majority population of European origin. If we get too many foreigners in who do not share the same values and have the same devotion to their own kind then they will be a big problem.

@Chris-ci8vs

Жыл бұрын

@@huwhitecavebeast1972 but then they wouldn't want to join anyway and likely wouldn't even pass.

@youtubemodsaresnowflakelef7692

Жыл бұрын

Ja Bundesheer in Österreich ist scheiße, aber mit dem Jagdkommando kannst du doch ein paar Sachen erleben. Kenne da ein paar, die waren viel unterwegs. Nur so nebenbei, als Österreicher ist deine Staatsbürgerschaft weg, wenn du zur Legion (oder sonstwo) hingehst.

You probably don't know, but many Philippinos come to the States through serving in the US forces

To wear the white hat in the mid-1980s was almost impossible.

There is a part in the training were the wounded are dragged around tied to sticks... you do not want to be wounded on that course.

I wonder if they would be so willing to be on camera if they forced them to shave their heads like the men. Dislocated my left shoulder twice. Once in the ARMY. Again afterwards. I felt every second watching that young soldier get his reset. I feel for him because you can't control that arm shortly afterwards no matter how big your testes are. Lastly, Why does France not require all of the military age men immigrating into their beautiful country to join to earn their way? Or are we not allowed to talk about that?

@JamesonsTravels

Жыл бұрын

shoulder always looked insanely painful when i have seen it set.

@yaboi-km2qn

Жыл бұрын

because we don't live in star ship troopers

@14goldmedals

Жыл бұрын

Way too many of those men coming to France in boats are young, fit, clean cut guys of perfect military age. So not pulling probable terrorists into the toughest military training France has makes sense to me. Now if your immigration could understand that every one of those soldier looking guys is a possible ticking time bomb they'd turn them back.

Finally no second prize. You either do or dont. This is the essence of being human.

A well trained foreign legion is a sound concept. My question would be who would the US use to train the initial legion cadre for their initial training? A new combat unit would likely fall under the us army since its the largest of the branches. Would a sof unit like seals, rangers, sf, etc. train them or would it be a regular army unit like the 101st?

America having a Foreign Legion of its own is an interesting idea. “The American Foreign Legion” has a nice ring to it.

America's military is just that. If you served honorably in the U.S. armed forces for at least one year at any time, you may be eligible to apply for naturalization. While some general naturalization requirements apply under INA 328, other requirements may not apply or are reduced

dislocated AC joint left shoulder 24 years ago, it still acts up. not a fun injury and as you get older it gets worse.

I've had a dislocated shoulder in the Army when I was a grunt. YOU DO NOT YANK like in the movies and YOU DO NOT TWIST like this guy did. That could damage muscle (yanking) and potentially grind bone against bone (twisting). The safest way to place your arm back in is to slowly stretch the muscle and let the person use their free hand to gently guide the ball back into the socket. He would feel it jump freely back into place and pain should instantly be greatly reduced.

@WSNight-

Жыл бұрын

Or better yet let medical do it. Never let your buddy do it unless you in combat.

The only question is: How will this make the force more combat effective?

@Mr.VaughanYT

Жыл бұрын

So they won't cry and bitch when they have to do this in combat, also if this terrain is what they are in combat in it'll increase their survival rate.

Failure or not, it takes a lot of courage to do this.

Imagine being in a secret mission and one of the girl soldier screams like this cause she’s too tired of climbing obstacles. That’s it for your team

@damianoasteriti8530

Жыл бұрын

Imagine being in a secret mission in some jungle while illegal immigrants rape and kill your entire family at home, but you still consider yourself a brave patriot.

@limpingnad8100

Жыл бұрын

@@damianoasteriti8530 Well you get what you voted for. I’m sad for those Americans who love their country.

@damianoasteriti8530

Жыл бұрын

@@limpingnad8100 You got it all wrong, they were groomed and lied all their lives, everywhere in the world it's the same story, common people are misguided because they don't know the truth and their satanic slave masters brainwash them since childhood.

I don't remember which European country but they trained female special operations members separately not because of inclusion but because they realised they needed female soldiers to help in hostile areas that have strong traditional doctrines to communicate with the female locals and make sure the female soldiers can fight and survive if needed.

@RKmndo

Жыл бұрын

IDF trains women. The USA trains women to be MPs, and also for Public Affairs, which can fall under SF/SOG. Women can also be military pilots.

I'll give credit to any woman that will try. My daughter is one kick ass Marine and I couldn't be more proud.

Yes Great Idea. Same here in the UK

Excellent critique.

As a police officer for nearly 24 years, I've seen many unqualified women working. In that time and working with thousands of officers, I would say about 25 percent of all officers would be considered "real cops" to other cops. Someone you'd trust in just about any situation, not only to help defend, but defuse a situation. In that time, I might have come across two females that I, or any of the real cops with whom I worked, were considered competent. With no exaggeration, I've responded to dozens of calls of fights in progress where officers were actively fighting a subject with a female cop outside (or nowhere close to the scene) pointing to where the fight was occurring. What's sickening is that just about every command staff will let women get away with most behavior, including improper sexual behavior. And, if you bring up something incompetent, illegal or immoral that a woman does on the job, the vast majority of time they'll start targeting you. The good news is that any female that can pass a sergeant's test will quickly promote and you usually get better back up with their replacement, given it's not another female.

@thodan467

Жыл бұрын

Then tell me why the woman stayed outside? could that have someting to do with the male "cops"?

@RKmndo

Жыл бұрын

I see a lot of cops that don't seem ready for physical conflict, male AND female. San Diego is one of the few PDs that maintains PF standards after the academy, but a LOT of SD officers are former Marines. I see a lot of cops that could benefit from better continued COTUS, Criminal Code, grappling, and firearms training too. It might keep more of them out of trouble. Women cops are needed though, as are ethnic minority cops. Searches/Counsels of women should be done by women. Ethnic enclave areas should have at least a few cops on patrol of that ethnicity.

@gnarl12

10 ай бұрын

Ugh

It’s no place for a woman …Being a true soldier is a mans job .

@YouPousti

Жыл бұрын

Lmfao another delusional Muppet

@Fifth313ment

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's insane every branch of US military, police, fire Depts and more have lowered their standards for women. If you are just as good and equal as men do what theem can. But they can't so in order to fill quotas these organizations are forced to lower standards. I'm sorry if my house is on fire I want a man that can lift me up and carry me out. Not a woman who o ly has to drag a body a short distance instead. We are risking our lives for the sake of wokeisms!

@xfoolsgoldx

Жыл бұрын

Disagree. I'm sure there are woman who make great soldiers, but there shouldn't be a lowering of standards because your a woman.

@generalwarhammer9722

Жыл бұрын

How about for the men who can’t do it. Being a true soldier is whoever can do it job

@hiteshadhikari

Жыл бұрын

@@generalwarhammer9722 lets be honest, fit men can do it, unfit men no, fittest of fittest women dont make it.... Women just are biologically not meant to do this

Yes it hurts to dislocated and break, but it feels much worse to fail.

I jumped out of a second story balcony in Waikiki landing on concrete barefoot bruising my heal still maxed my 2 mile run the next morning

These ladies would give away there position quite easily with all that screaming and moaning 😭☠️ guys are cracking jokes and smiling

@JamesonsTravels

Жыл бұрын

happens with the new recruits. see usmc here kzread.info/dash/bejne/eYClscVqpsXNZdI.html

@siilkyjohnson5779

Жыл бұрын

@@JamesonsTravels I've seen all your videos sir 😁

It's my understanding that the foreign legion doesn't give many breaks to the new recruits or students. However, I'm reminded of some of my training as a Marine OCS candidate. It was a hard physically as boot camp, but there was one big difference. There was a greater focus on leadership abilities as well as the ability to make hard decision, improvise, and never quit. One of the training task was called the Speed March Reaction Course. The idea was you were part of a 4 man team on a three mile run through hilly and forested terrain. It was full combat equipment, timed, and in brutal heat. Along the path though the woods there would be a clearing with a task to complete which was also timed. A DI was at each of the sites to observe and grade how well you completed the task. Each of the four candidates took turns leading the team between task sites and there were eight such sites along the trail. The fist site my team reached there were two telephone poles with one at each end of pond filled with water. There was a 55 gallon drum and 100 feet of rope. The task was to get the 4 man team from one side to the other without getting wet. We had 15 minutes to complete the task. We quickly huddled and tossed around a few idea, but then had to actual get it done before time ran out. The plan we came up with was one of us would use the 55 gallon drum to cross the pond with one end of the rope and we would tie both ends to the poles for the others to cross using the rope. We failed with the DI cursing that we were embarrassing him with the other DI's. We changed the leader and ran to the next site. We failed all eight tasks, but we beat the overall time with our running. In fact none of the teams completed any of the task and we had to do a five mile run as punishment. We started with 50 candidates in my OCS platoon. 20 of us graduated. We didn't learn until after graduation that our DI told us that the SMRC was deliberately designed so that no one could complete any of the tasks. We were graded on leadership, initiative, determination, etc. That course along eliminated something like 10 candidates who became too flustered or were indecisive. My point is that sometimes you were expected to fail and the real evaluation was on your leadership in difficult to impossible situation. It's possible that the instructors in the jungle training were looking for both physical ability as well as the leadership, determination, and the will to fight through exhaustion and pain to keep going. I don't know. I do know than the most important evaluation in OCS was whether our DI would want to serve in combat with each of us if we were his platoon commander. The rest of everything was important, but that was the tie breaker. They decided there were only 20 of us that they would have wanted to serve with.