"For some reason Arteta hasnt been able to rotate as well as Guardiola".... Probably because City spend £200m on backup full backs or £100m on a backup winger whereas Arsenal play academy graduates

@Sabu113

Ай бұрын

They’re probably given a small supplemental from city to go easy

@alanthomas1622

Ай бұрын

Was just about to say the same, incredible not to mention it

@retrobebop3437

Ай бұрын

Arsenal academy grads?😂😂😂 You mad? Arteta doesn’t give the kids chances

@markkennedy4936

Ай бұрын

Akanji...alvarez...lets just say that

@JohnEllis-le9ym

Ай бұрын

Probably because Artetas over priced and over rated injury prone signings are unsurprisingly out injured and he doesn't trust his players who he all gave extended contracts to

It's pretty obvious why Pep is "so good at rotation". Foden comes out for Doku or Grealish. Saka comes out for... Reiss Nelson?

Pep's able to rotate more than Arteta [checks notes from lawyers] "for whatever reason".

@davidmurphy2388

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂

As soon as he said 'id go and get Ollie Watkins' it was clear these guys know as little as anyone else.

@trevorotieno2731

Ай бұрын

100%😂

@Apexseal1

Ай бұрын

With 100m as well! with 100m you could go out and grab a borderline world class striker, a 27 year old doesnt fit arsenal's transfer policies either. Lots of players are out there and Watkins isn't the one I'd want, In fact I'd rather keep Havetz as the 9 and sign a proper 8 to play alongside Rice and Odegaard with that kind of money.

@sriramkrishnan8606

Ай бұрын

Ollie Watkins is overrated as hell. The kind of striker Arsenal are looking for is the one that will make an impact on the big games. In theory the caliber of striker they are looking for is of the prime Diego costa , benzema level where they know how to win or score a goal under most testing circumstances. Vlahovic matches this from a mentality standpoint but needs to improve on his volume of goals. Isak scored a lot of goals but it’s still to be seen if he has the mentality to score in big games. He already did in anfiekd so is promising. But yeah ole Watkins is not anywhere near the level required to win big trophies

@betterphysicaltherapy

Ай бұрын

Came to the comments for exactly this reason. Ollie Watkins would be a terrible fit. Let alone I doubt he is of the level required.

@noblehelium3794

Ай бұрын

He already said that he doesn't really know until he was pressed for an answer. They don't have much more information than we do. But they probably recognize their lack of information compared to fans who habitually think they know better than the team's manager.

Jon Mackenzie talking absolute bollocks here about arsenal, shocking!

+60 goal difference v. -3 goal difference.

@Nostradanus86

Ай бұрын

Correct but it's actually all about the opening 47 minutes

Let’s make the entire Arsenal conversation about city! 14 wins 1 draw 1 defeat this calendar year

@karmaascendant3936

Ай бұрын

If you’re trying to win and you don’t it’s natural to talk about the team that beat you

@timinno

Ай бұрын

I know, they also don’t mention what a load of BS the whole City thing is. Never a mention from Jon of the 115 charges.

@gentleken7864

Ай бұрын

Also, the 'regular goalscorer' thing is ridiculous. They've scored 88 goals, the most in the league. Do we really want a 'if he doesn't score, he does nothing, Haaland' and change how we play? Of course not. The players are fluid.

If United intend on playing with that Grand Canyon sized gap in their midfield then I’d say Arsenals chances are pretty good.

@AchtungBaby77

Ай бұрын

They only do that against the likes of Burnley and Crystal Palace. When Arsenal or Liverpool visit Old Toilet, expect United to show up.

@Jack-gs4fi

Ай бұрын

​@@AchtungBaby77 we were absolutely garbage against Liverpool in the Prem imo

@Apexseal1

Ай бұрын

@@AchtungBaby77 I expect arsenal to have like a billion shots, just a matter of how clinical we are tbh.

@BigPurp9

Ай бұрын

If Arsenal can’t beat us they don’t deserve to win the league, we’re horrendous

@AchtungBaby77

Ай бұрын

@BigPurp9 As horrendous as United are, they're still unbeaten against Liverpool this season, plus they're in a Cup final. I'm not writing them off, Arsenal need to be on their A game.

If City win this with 91, add the 6 they got against Arsenal last season its 97. Such simplistic analysis

@ciaranoconnell4783

Ай бұрын

People always forget that. Before this season, the two games vs Arsenal was a guaranteed 6 points for City. Instead it has only been one point. Add those 5 extra points and City finish on 96 pts.

@JohnEllis-le9ym

Ай бұрын

@@ciaranoconnell4783 Before this season, the two games vs Villa and Fulham was a guaranteed 6 points for Arsenal... Trust the (never ending) process

Jon saying Arsenal shouldn't have been winning some early games..... which ones specifically is he talking about????

@Flash4ML

Ай бұрын

I remember a good few shaky 1-0 wins before we kicked into gear this season, for sure. Doesn’t mean we haven’t earned our success though

If we are to close the banter era - we have to. No excuses

@yassinabdirizak4958

Ай бұрын

Perfectly put.

Jon fucking hates arsenal

Great podcast but there is constant perspective the guy in red top talks about arsenal, as there is no or litlle room for improvement.

City played Villa reserves at home. Be factual 😂

Garnacho being a problem is ridiculous. That was nowhere close to an incident that Sancho Ronaldo and Greenwood were.

It’s funny listening to Jon McKenzie. He never ever calls out City for what it is. He talks about possible burn out for Arsenal, and mentions how “good” Pep is at rotating. Ermm maybe that has something to do with Pep having the perfect sized squad (not too large not too small) to optimise rotation. Keeps the bench happy and is able to bring on 300m worth of talent at 60mins into a game. Maybe call it out for the BS it is rather than something “special”. Whilst this continues City will continue to win and the the value of the Prem as a product is eroded.

@victorjustine

Ай бұрын

All he's saying is that arteta needs to start trusting his players more.one of the reasons why foden has become so good is because earliar in his career gurdiola trusted him and gave him more game time. Not only was it good for squad rotation but it allowed foden to develop his game and gain more experience,how do you expect players like Smith Rowe and fabio viera to improve and have an impact on your team if you don't give them more playing time?

@benjamindadzie9657

Ай бұрын

​@@victorjustinetalking is cheap...how many injuries n amount of time have both doku n foden spent on the treatment bed compare to Smith Rowe

@timinno

Ай бұрын

@@victorjustine that’s not all he’s saying, because that doesn’t and wouldn’t make sense. You can’t compare the talent that is Foden with Arsenal’s bench warmers…ESR, Nelson, Fabio Vieira aren’t anywhere near his talent level. Also Pep had the luxury of all the depth elsewhere on his bench to allow him to steadily develop Foden. Arsenal simply don’t have the quality/depth of City so Arsenal can’t rotate to the same level at Pep. City essentially have two first choice teams…makes managing rotation a whole lot easier.

@victorjustine

Ай бұрын

@timinno rodri wasn't the finished article in his first two seasons but he's world class player now many people said grealish was a flop,ake struggled in his first season and latest example has been gvadiol, man people said he was overated and couldn't play left back look him now he's absolutely blossoming in that role we can't call these players (ESR, viera,neilson) bench warmers and that there not good when we don't have a large sample size of games to actually judge them on there quality

@timinno

Ай бұрын

@@victorjustine you’re comparing £65m Rodri, £100m grelaish and £80m Gvadiol to ESR and Vieira? There’s a reason they cost that much money. I’m assuming at this point you’re just trolling 😉

This is honestly some of the laziest analysis I have ever heard

@lukeJ366

Ай бұрын

These preview shows are terrible, host this year isn't working clearly the other two haven't bought into whatever he's trying to do.... Show needs a revamp..... Pity too because the other shows on this channel are very good

@soundsean100

Ай бұрын

Agree this was shit

Jon really doesn't seem to like Arsenal does he?

Manchester United have tried the big name managers - Van Gaal and Mourinho, and they both failed. Then the players threw Ole and Rangnick under the bus, and they seem to just be completely and utterly downing tools under ten Hag. This isn't some up and comer who is making his way through the ranks and learning his trade. This is a guy who got Ajax within minutes of the Champions League Final just 5 years ago, and defeated Juventus AND Real Madrid on the way to doing so. This is an astute, smart manager who clearly knows his stuff. Maybe he has some communication issues, but he commands respect. Look at how Jadon Sancho has performed at Borussia Dortmund since he left United on loan. He looks like a completely different player and the one that made United spend £73 million in the first place. There is clearly something wrong within the culture at the club, and that starts from the very top. This is not a bad manager, and this is not a bad group of players, but too many of the players are focusing on their internal dick swinging contests rather than doing what's right for the team. The manager always bares some of the responsibility, and rightfully so, but the players have been getting away with phoning it in for far too long, and if Manchester United ever want to be an elite club again, that needs to change. Mentality is bred from the top down.

15:50 the high press dropping off??? It's two games since the spurs match where their entire game plan was press super high and set pieces! Sure, just say a thing, it's the vibes man

I always like this stuff. When it comes to analysis.

Bias panel; bias and condescending towards the Arsenal. ManCity are playing their best football; it's ridiculous to say that ManCity is below par in order to diminish Arsenal's superiority. Arsenal is the best team in the league this season.

The Athletic is usually insightful, or perhaps I should say David Ornstein is. Look here are the facts, as an Arsenal supporter. City are the best squad and have been for 5 or 6 seasons now. Pep inherited a PL winning side, spent heavy early, and have built what looks like an unassailable advantage with heavy spending early on. He is a wonderful coach as well. Arsenal and Mikel are on a different trajectory, in that we are lagging behind the legacy spend and stratospheric salary bill that City is carrying. City are the best team, it’s marginal now, Mikel has built a team capable of challenging, but it is short of the players needed to dethrone City, which they will hopefully put right in the summer. Arsenal are so good, they are a very very good team, improving them isn’t easy, it’s marginal gains now. Ollie Watkins is very good, but he doesn’t make the difference. In part there is something about letting the Arsenal forward line off leash and let them be their creative selves. And adding some world class talent.

Ollie Watkins to take arsenal to the top my god what a dumb take

Arsenal - best team. City - best squad (through fin. doping / cheating).

@ma466

Ай бұрын

Look what perennial bottling teams fan moan about.

@arsenal10141014

20 күн бұрын

@@ma466 * city 2nd division outfit.

@ma466

20 күн бұрын

@@arsenal10141014 Arsenal the born bottler.

I thought i was the only who could sense John’s slight bias against Arsenal but judging by the comments it seems its actually fairly obvious.

Yes they can break old Trafford curse

Loool who are these clowns : "Arsenal always drop off at the end of the season..." Right, 15 wins, 1 draw (at the Etihad) and 1 defeat in premier league in 2024, the drop off have been insane ! The only drop off I see are the recruitment standards of the Athletic

The reason City haven't got 95 points is that they have only taken one point from games against Arsenal

Title: "Can Arsenal break Old Trafford curse?" Actual podcast: Let's talk about how good Man City are and how "weirdly" Arsenal can't rotate as much as them despite spending only 1/3 of the amount they have since Pep has taken over. I'm a Liverpool fan, so this isn't coming from a place of bias, but I feel like The Athletic, particularly this podcast, genuinely has something against Arsenal. You dragged Whites name through the mud, you constantly reference "how much" Arteta has spent despite it being less than 5 other clubs since he has took over and you very rarely want to focus on the good they're actually doing. It's really strange.

Casemiro is finished and it’s brilliant to watch 😂

John always seems to see the negative with Arsenal. Getting a bit harder to listen to him

There is no curse,our players just worse than united for decades. This weekend we have the opportunity.

Bruh if I close my eyes the guy in the white shirt sounds like lozcast

you seem to have annnoyed a lot of the arsenal fans but I think for posh lads talking about football you guys aren't so bad

Arsenal have drawn once and lost once in the league this calendar year, and won every match other than those two. They will sweep Ten Hag back to Holland.

Pep is good at rotation 😂 Of course he is he has the squad to do that, at any given moment he has £300m plus of talent sat on the bench…..

Aww Chelsea, are you fucking serious?

Regarding Rice, they don't get the way Arsenal play and how the players move around and change positions within games. You cannot pigeonhole any players, even the goalkeeper is the catalyst to all play.

Premiership must do something to help clubs in Europe.. ridiculous amount of games it's a pure slog

City have been off the pace this season?? No they haven't lol if they were off the pace they wouldn't be in contention with 2/3 games to go. Around 90 points (give or take) a team wins the league by usually which is roughly where city would win it...and apparently they're off the pace?? absolute nonsense he's talking

@karmaascendant3936

Ай бұрын

City haven’t been performing well due to long term De Bruyne,Grealish and Haaland injuries but have been carried by Foden and Rodri’s immense form.

@NayNay-hw6im

Ай бұрын

@@karmaascendant3936 City aren't a normal team...any other team this would be catastrophic but city have world class replacements, injuries do not effect their results and this season is a perfect example, points wise they're near enough where they normally are.

@timinno

Ай бұрын

@@karmaascendant3936they haven’t lost a game since dec last year, what are you on about?!

Yes

No

100% one of the worst takes about Arsenal… “they need a goalscorer”, “who?” “I don’t know”

Anything below 0-10 is a disappointment. Arteta has to single handedly sack Ten Hag.

These are an excellent series of podcasts

We won at Old Trafford 1-0 at lockdown tho with a auba penalty

“They would need another regular goalscorer” “Who would you put in there” “I don’t know I hate this question” FFS it’s a podcast. Come prepared with insights, don’t be moaning about answering straightforward questions. Up your game fellas.

There's no Old Trafford curse but rather match officials against Arsenal at Old Trafford. Northern United supporting referees always throwing mud at Arsensl at Old Trafford then headed by Mike Riley.

I did not enjoy this episode because you guys are talking about Manchester United issues and failed to analyze the game itself. You should have a made a Manchester United crisis episode instead

City off the pace is the stupidest comment ever…. How about we have had the most competitive PL season in PL history with a strong battle for both the title with 3 competing and for top 4. No City aren’t off the pace at all, it’s just been the most competitive PL in history

JON MCKENZIEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We broke Tottenham curse n wl break old Trafford curse

@ma466

Ай бұрын

1 win in 16 years. Your team need to worry about.

Man United should just drop Fernandes & the likes until the fa cup final victory , ticket to the europa league

burnout is real. john mcginn is not alright. villa crashed out of europe because they are spent from the amount of games they've played with a squad depleted massively by injuries . villa are running on fumes right now.

This "City have been off the pace" narrative is rubbish. They haven't lost a game in the league since 6 December 2023.

@soundsean100

Ай бұрын

Precisely you’d expect them to know that

Carragher went to hard on Casimero, so lets go hard on Ten Hag ffs and Southgate?!!

We need Welbeck back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@JohnEllis-le9ym

Ай бұрын

We need whatadiickhead to turn his internet off

I think united is so bad actually that I think they can as a United fan I think there's absolutely no chance united can do to stop Arsenal

@John_Kennedy27

Ай бұрын

Bro please go to school

I don't think these pundits are very smart about current players and tactics. Very anti Arsenal, and the host.........get ready before an interview.

Why no cfc, palace talk? Spurs talk is pointless

It’s just spewing the same old narrative. No complexity to any train of thought here

@soundsean100

Ай бұрын

Yep really poor for The Athletic’s standards

Same old bullsh*t, comparing rotation top clubs are pretty close except for injuries.

Why do we Arsenal fans expect any fair analysis of what has Arsenal done over last two seasons, how far we have come and how Mikel Arteta has become an equal contender for title v two seasoned pros who had won many major trophies before even a Arteta became a manager? ESPN, talk sport, BeIn, sky, all are trying to find holes how Arsenal can not succeed or win on Sunday than they can, I thought the Atheletic will be bit different, but, NO, they’re into same BS of wanting to walk ManU to a win on Sunday and happily handover the title to City so that their lords someday can invite/ sponsor the Atheletic to some opportunities in Abu Dhabi & Dubai. No mention of also Liverpool’s spectacular bottling this season. Utter shameless biased channel.

@JohnEllis-le9ym

Ай бұрын

Bottle Job & Excuses FC since 2004

the amount of `attention you give to the sky 6 is gratuitous

As a United fan, I have to admit the constant chatter about having a "Vibes man" and neglect tactics is baffling. It's going back to Ole.

First?

United? An open book? More like an open sewer 😡😡😡😡😡

It’s totally predictable don’t be daft

Shite

Man United will pull out a worldie performance against Arsenal at home, they always do. so annoying. #COYG

you guys are actual mugs hope shilling for pep pays off '"rotate like you got a 100 mil bum on yo bench mikell"

@soundsean100

Ай бұрын

100%

If City don’t win tomorrow I’ll gladly accept losing so Arsenal win the league

@ma466

Ай бұрын

4-0 for your kind info.

Probably the worst Athletic football podcast

@soundsean100

Ай бұрын

Easily. The guest in black moaning when he was asked a question about who Arsenal should sign was a particular pisstake. Do some fucking prep

host needs to chill out a tad... Try the Rogan apporach, get some whisky and weed on da table...

@adamhead.9823

Ай бұрын

unless this was tailored to audio only, in which case, my bad ;)

so many triggered arsenal fans here lol. not the podcast hosts' fault that your club has choking in it's dna.