Why Man Utd and Newcastle both need European football

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Newcastle United face Manchester United on Wednesday with both clubs competing for a place in Europe next season.
But is the increased strain on squads that comes with qualifying for UEFA’s lesser competitions actually worth it? Or would a season out of Europe allow both sides to regroup and build again?
Ayo is joined by Talk of the Devils Carl Anka and Pod on the Tynne’s George Caulkin to debate and compare the two United teams.
00:00:00 Intro
00:00:07 The mood at Newcastle and Man United
00:03:40 Newcastle’s away form
00:07:43 Eddie Howe
00:09:45 Newcastle & Man United comparison
00:14:29 Both teams injuries
00:23:53 Man United v Newcastle
00:28:36 Do Newcastle need European football?
00:35:19 Man United & European football
00:41:40 Bruno Guimarães
00:44:50 Final comments
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Пікірлер: 94

  • @1sparkyj
    @1sparkyjАй бұрын

    The fact that a Man Utd fan such as Carl can be so likable and charismatic has made me question my whole belief system.

  • @kvu8843

    @kvu8843

    Ай бұрын

    its the biggest fanbase in EPL - statistically gotta be some gems in there 😂😂

  • @saltmerchant749

    @saltmerchant749

    Ай бұрын

    @@kvu8843 United is a toxic wasteland though, you'd think non-toxic people would struggle to survive.

  • @hills863

    @hills863

    Ай бұрын

    Liverpool fan here. I do met some likeable United fans, they're very mature. Even when they banter us, they're still funny and not annoying 😅

  • @damienreilly4347

    @damienreilly4347

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@hills863West Ham United?

  • @hills863

    @hills863

    Ай бұрын

    @@damienreilly4347 in this context Man Utd 😅

  • @stu8758
    @stu8758Ай бұрын

    Newcastle arguably got into Europe a season too early with their lack of depth showing this season when injuries struck, that's what they need to prioritise over anything else this summer. Whilst the other is just a dumpster fire, clinging onto the smallest positives they can find

  • @mattvarner5825

    @mattvarner5825

    Ай бұрын

    They needed a low pressure Europa League campaign to learn how to fight on 2-4 fronts and spread minutes around. Also helps to learn who's got the quality to play in Europe and who your squad players are

  • @googahmeier

    @googahmeier

    Ай бұрын

    @@mattvarner5825 I have no idea how new player signings works, but I really hope they get 8 fresh young prospects rather than 2 big named players with a price tag. Their bench has been ABYSMAL for the majority of this season. Like two 40 year olds, and 3 goalkeepers as subs lol.

  • @TyneBridge90

    @TyneBridge90

    Ай бұрын

    and we also got the 'group of death' that meant we couldn't use our squad at all and had to pick our strongest 11 for every match...same in the cups to be honest apart from maybe blackburn away which was still a tricky match due to our injuries at the time

  • @mattvarner5825

    @mattvarner5825

    Ай бұрын

    @@googahmeier that number of young prospects in this market will command fees larger than two or three big signings of senior players. It'll help drive wage costs down but ultimately young talents is what Real Madrid and Arsenal will spend big on over the next few windows. The intensity Newcastle play with suits younger players but you need a blend of youth and experience to achieve anything

  • @RobGThai

    @RobGThai

    Ай бұрын

    We were too early and overshoot too high. I think we would do better with less intensity of Europa League instead. However, it is important for EH and his staff to understand the effect of UCL on our physical limitations. We need to improve how we do things and the young squad for our backup. It’s a miracle how Miley filling so well so early. Great season nonetheless.

  • @marshallkutyn3043
    @marshallkutyn3043Ай бұрын

    I like Carl but him saying that Man Utd's injury crisis is worse than Newcastle's is just so not true. In recent weeks, sure. But over the course of the season, no chance.

  • @mauricekennedy6786

    @mauricekennedy6786

    Ай бұрын

    Facts newcastle have more time Mist than any other club in the league

  • @chairsmissing

    @chairsmissing

    Ай бұрын

    Man Utd's injury crisis is so severe, we barely make a starting 25. And it's so disruptive to the point there's no continuity in the style of play. Hence one reason (of the many) why the football is so chaotic.

  • @gejskelly

    @gejskelly

    Ай бұрын

    @@chairsmissing Newcastle had 3 goalkeepers in the matchday squad and the only senior players on the bench were Ritchie and Dummett at one point, we were playing academy kids that are getting released in summer just to avoid playing with 10 men back in November/December.

  • @deadtotheworld22
    @deadtotheworld22Ай бұрын

    A really good and interesting discussion - Carl and George are some of the best journalists and writers working for the Athletic and in the football sphere at the moment, and this was a really eloquent, funny and informative discussion both about where the clubs are at the moment and indeed the different stages that they are at. It's a strange situation to be in when despite the fact that Newcastle have just had their Director of Football poached, are out of all competitions and dropped points at the weekend, the mood seems to be a lot more optimistic than at Old Trafford. Personally, I have a sneaking suspicion that Man United will get the win at Old Trafford and will better Newcastle's result on the last day of the season regardless of form, but that's the pessimist in me talking.

  • @RichMitch
    @RichMitchАй бұрын

    Finally some nufc content

  • @oitoitoi1

    @oitoitoi1

    Ай бұрын

    a bit frustrating how little media coverage they get compared to "bigger" clubs who are below them in the table, same with villa.

  • @RichMitch

    @RichMitch

    Ай бұрын

    @@oitoitoi1 absolutely. Shows the effect American sports culture has had. It's not based on merit, it's based on money

  • @oitoitoi1

    @oitoitoi1

    Ай бұрын

    @@RichMitch absolutely, the worst thing to happen to European football has been american ownership (just look at man u), and they are the biggest threat going forward too as the promoters of the super league idea and turning football into a closed shop.

  • @BigPurp9

    @BigPurp9

    Ай бұрын

    @@oitoitoi1clubs like United get the coverage they get because it gets the most eyeballs. United losing to Palace gets more attention than other clubs winning competitions at the end of the day

  • @matiaslarenas5901
    @matiaslarenas5901Ай бұрын

    Best episode yet!!!! Carl was such a joy

  • @davidsimpson5259
    @davidsimpson5259Ай бұрын

    Good listen this gents, and yes the 3-0 win at Old Trafford was a laugh. It was a pleasure sitting next to you and chatting George!

  • @jackrandy1338
    @jackrandy1338Ай бұрын

    One of the best episode of the show.

  • @seanjones7434
    @seanjones7434Ай бұрын

    One of your best ever pods. The degree of insight from Carl and George is fascinating.

  • @laluneodyssee4404
    @laluneodyssee4404Ай бұрын

    Carl is the best.

  • @rogercookcouk
    @rogercookcoukАй бұрын

    Class pod! #HTL!

  • @Sohrab5322
    @Sohrab5322Ай бұрын

    One of the best podcasts out there. The hosts are really well-spoken and they know what they're talking about, in contrast to some of those clowns we see everyday on TV or youtube.

  • @Sohrab5322

    @Sohrab5322

    Ай бұрын

    @@theathleticfcpodcastclips For sure I will!

  • @MichaelBurge-pj9kn
    @MichaelBurge-pj9knАй бұрын

    Excellent podcast.

  • @DavidLimofLimReport
    @DavidLimofLimReportАй бұрын

    Never seen Carl Anka in this much pain. His heart is breaking.

  • @stephanw3549

    @stephanw3549

    Ай бұрын

    He's such an ETH stooge

  • @Juaninho3
    @Juaninho3Ай бұрын

    Finally some content on United

  • @geordiedog1749

    @geordiedog1749

    Ай бұрын

    Which one?

  • @BadselS
    @BadselSАй бұрын

    Santiago Muñoz was Newcastle's best signing, ngl

  • @jadmantoura4483
    @jadmantoura4483Ай бұрын

    “Man Utd are in complete free fall” So is Old Trafford’s roof

  • @Michael-me6qu

    @Michael-me6qu

    Ай бұрын

    Theatre of streams

  • @ossealey8995
    @ossealey8995Ай бұрын

    Of COURSE injuries explain our poor away form, we have had major players missing from a squad that is limited by cartel rules.

  • @drakegeralds699
    @drakegeralds699Ай бұрын

    Teams grow as the season goes on. Same as last season when Licha, Case and Eriksen came in and bonded. This season that growth was interrupted by injuries. Case in point, Evans/Casemiro partnership has gotten better over time because of playing together consistently. Imagine where the rock of how we played last season(Licha/Varane/case/Malacia/Shaw) went missing alongside the new signings so in essence the team on the pitch was worse than what we had last season

  • @geordiedog1749
    @geordiedog1749Ай бұрын

    This whole prem season has been about inconsistency - for every club. NUFC have the best excuse in that they are a good way ahead of the rest when it comes to days lost to key players through injury. Bearing in mind the majority of the squad, and also most stating players are pre-take over bargain basement buys by le grand Michelle. As for tonight’s match - It’s got draw written all over it so a seven goal thriller it’ll be.

  • @sizwesokopo281
    @sizwesokopo281Ай бұрын

    "Atletico Tyneside", 😂 another Carl gem

  • @rana1561
    @rana156112 күн бұрын

    How the turns have slightly tabled.

  • @coreypnorris
    @coreypnorrisАй бұрын

    Seems like every other video I watch on this channel, someone is wearing a Mets hat or has one in the background. Are the Mets really popular in the UK?

  • @oitoitoi1

    @oitoitoi1

    Ай бұрын

    no. no one cares about baseball here at all. nfl gets a bit of interest, nba a little amongst sports nerds, otherwise no one here cares about american sports.

  • @crayontom9687

    @crayontom9687

    Ай бұрын

    It’s the sure fire sign that someone has been on holiday to NY. Otherwise nobody cares about baseball

  • @ImmuneGEORGE

    @ImmuneGEORGE

    Ай бұрын

    Genuinely never heard of Mets

  • @coreypnorris

    @coreypnorris

    Ай бұрын

    @@ImmuneGEORGE they're the Everton to Liverpool's Yankees.

  • @mauddib1761

    @mauddib1761

    Ай бұрын

    Lots of people wear the Yankees caps but I don't think anybody watches. I've heard of the Mets but only because I listened to a radio show from NY and they used to talk about the Mets a bit. Channel 5 used to show live NFL really late at night and I think occasionally baseball too and I think the BBC might show NFL highlights now but I'm not sure US sports are that popular here. I went to Japan a few years ago and was surprised how into baseball they were. They have these practice pitches with mechanical pitchers in lots of places (I accidentally pressed the wrong setting and the speed nearly took me out so i now appreciate how hard it is to even get near to hitting the ball)

  • @M4Maroon
    @M4MaroonАй бұрын

    Being negative in such a period is a 100% the reasonable thing to do.

  • @M4Maroon

    @M4Maroon

    Ай бұрын

    @@theathleticfcpodcastclips only my boss, girlfriend, 8 months old daughter and for some reason the neighbour can tell me what to do!! But I’ll check the clips 😀

  • @jackb5640
    @jackb5640Ай бұрын

    Theree having a "bad" season and theres finishing outside of europe (probably), and getting the clubs worst points total in the Premier League era.

  • @steveningram3732
    @steveningram3732Ай бұрын

    Howay the Lads ⚪️⚫️⚪️

  • @MrSushmon
    @MrSushmon26 күн бұрын

    Is Carl Anka litterally the best podcaster with The Athletic FC?

  • @daniellastuart3145
    @daniellastuart3145Ай бұрын

    All top sides need European football for the money and the kudus but the only 7 places sometimes 8 places, for 9 teams so 2 club every year will be disappointed. It looking like it 2 of West Ham, Man U and Newcastel will miss out this season, next season it be a different two, so on ,so on

  • @deepthrow-jn8ij
    @deepthrow-jn8ijАй бұрын

    But european fiitball don't need both

  • @firestarter1888
    @firestarter1888Ай бұрын

    TLDR: Big Bags

  • @marcusdidius4090
    @marcusdidius4090Ай бұрын

    Dear George, Canny video as always👍 Score prediction: True United 5-0 False United👍✊💪👏🤘😎😊😁 HOWE-AY THE LADS👍💪✊👏🤘😎😊😁 Regards,

  • @Sts_andym
    @Sts_andymАй бұрын

    Carl mentioning he has friends is on my Athletic pod bingo card

  • @dansnowden9147
    @dansnowden9147Ай бұрын

    George is wrong again. It’s not a success to get Europa conference from this position. It just isn’t. Nor will the players see it as progress going from CL to conference as he suggests. No, to attract and retain the players we need it has to be Europa. Otherwise it’s a failure from this position where it’s in our hands.

  • @geordiedog1749

    @geordiedog1749

    Ай бұрын

    So the players will be somehow oblivious to the injury situation?

  • @purehyperbole5727
    @purehyperbole5727Ай бұрын

    The Athletic were scathing of the new owners when they took control. This correspondent said there would be an asterix against everything positive thing Newcastle achieved. Now we have things like this video. Sportwashing in action.

  • @antd6993
    @antd6993Ай бұрын

    I have been in St James’s this season 4 times, Aston Villa🎉Chelsea🎉West Ham🎉and Luton😮…..we can’t blame injuries as Villa have been hit hard and look at them…we have been massively inconsistent and left it very late to get some away form and if tomorrow goes pear shaped then I fear for the summer….it is a straight shoot oot between the 2 UTDs😂

  • @Ashtonishing1812

    @Ashtonishing1812

    Ай бұрын

    Nah injuries are a big reason. We’re way ahead of Villa in the injury record for the season.

  • @tartansinatra

    @tartansinatra

    Ай бұрын

    Did you manage to get tickets thru a membership, or buying from friends, family and that guy down the pub? Interested for next season...

  • @antd6993

    @antd6993

    Ай бұрын

    @@tartansinatramembership ballot for 3 and have a mate with ST who couldn’t make it🎉

  • @Wrioncnkiye
    @WrioncnkiyeАй бұрын

    Just admit it: ETH's tactics are terrible this season. No team, not even top teams, would play without a midfield. In the first game of this season against the Wolves, when we were full team, it has already proved that whatever tactics we are planning to use sucks.

  • @kvu8843

    @kvu8843

    Ай бұрын

    McFred midfield would have made a difference 😂

  • @Wrioncnkiye

    @Wrioncnkiye

    Ай бұрын

    @@kvu8843 The way we play football this season? Not even having two Kantes would make a difference!

  • @Mansukh09

    @Mansukh09

    Ай бұрын

    His tactics didnt work against wolves because he tried to play a possession style of football like Liverpool but using An injured longstaff with a broken ankle just ruined it however his new tactic of isak and Wilson up front in a strike partnership can work

  • @Wrioncnkiye

    @Wrioncnkiye

    Ай бұрын

    @@Mansukh09 Oh my word! Did you watch that game? Do you even know what possession football is? 😂

  • @Mansukh09

    @Mansukh09

    Ай бұрын

    @@Wrioncnkiye I did and stats back me up Wolves pressed and got back that ball and that caused set pieces which we just couldnt defend

  • @JPzizou
    @JPzizouАй бұрын

    Cfc had the most injuries and no talk 😮 and didnt have a good previous season to build on😢😅🤔

  • @mauricekennedy6786

    @mauricekennedy6786

    Ай бұрын

    No they haven it's newcastle bye a mile

  • @ImmuneGEORGE

    @ImmuneGEORGE

    Ай бұрын

    That is false, Chelsea are 5th for days lost by injury when you look at the data from Sky Sports 5 days ago.

  • @j.j.911
    @j.j.911Ай бұрын

    These takes didn’t age particularly well after the result. Manure were clinical albeit poor. We were naive and poor during the important moments (the poor quality shows when it’s needed most). Manure will likely finish above us.

  • @edpoole1942
    @edpoole1942Ай бұрын

    Is the constant coverage of Newcastle while largely ignoring Champions League qualifying Villa by football sites down to Newcastle having an English manager?

  • @ImmuneGEORGE

    @ImmuneGEORGE

    Ай бұрын

    I think it's more for the fact there will be more eyes on Newcastle. Clicks lead to revenue

  • @edpoole1942

    @edpoole1942

    Ай бұрын

    @@ImmuneGEORGE But why are there more eyes on Newcastle. It's not got a particularly larger supporter base or more successful history.

  • @jonprague
    @jonpragueАй бұрын

    Funny how ppl accept Newcastles injuries without question.

  • @mauricekennedy6786

    @mauricekennedy6786

    Ай бұрын

    Because they have had the most in the league

  • @Ashtonishing1812

    @Ashtonishing1812

    Ай бұрын

    Well… they happened

  • @Michael-me6qu

    @Michael-me6qu

    Ай бұрын

    Categorically the most man hours lost

  • @dhodyelfayet
    @dhodyelfayetАй бұрын

    This is a clown podcast. Though suffering as a Barcelona fan, I watch this analysis of Man U and ask myself. Are we watching same football? They talk of Rashford begging good. No way, Radhford is been trash all season. Tell me one big game he had this season.

  • @bignugget6982
    @bignugget6982Ай бұрын

    Newcastle are a disgusting club

  • @glynhayes5930

    @glynhayes5930

    Ай бұрын

    You really are a massive nugget lol.

  • @Michael-me6qu

    @Michael-me6qu

    Ай бұрын

    Makems will always say that

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