How did Champions League teams figure Arsenal & Manchester City out?

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Welcome to The Athletic FC's KZread channel, where best-in-class journalism meets video.
Arsenal and Manchester City enter the second leg of the quarterfinals of the 2023-24 Champions League with all to play for.
Mikel Arteta's side drew 2-2 against Bayern Munich at home, while Pep Guardiola's men drew 3-3 in spectacular fashion against a surging Real Madrid.
What tactical lessons can we learn from the first leg games and how will the managers change their plans going into the second leg?
Joe Devine, JJ Bull and Jon Mackenzie dig deep into the tactics and try to predict who will be crowned the Kings of Europe.
This is The Athletic's Week in Football.
#arsenal #championsleague #premierleague
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:55 Arsenal 2 - 2 Bayern
01:16 How Bayern changed their gameplan against Arsenal
06:54 Arsenal's Build-up Woes
08:43 Who will win the second leg?
10:46 Real Madrid 3 - 3 Man City
11:26 Real v City Tactical Comparison
14:52 Applied Tactics
16:29 Which team's tactics gave them the upper hand?
19:18 PSG 2 - 3 Barcelona
19:38 Pau Cubarsi has the Wau Factor
21:22 How do you stop Kylian Mbappe?
25:12 Barcelona's New Blood
28:13 Atletico 2 - 1 Dortmund
29:19 Who will win the Champions League?
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  • @hamidalbertoabudrussell9703
    @hamidalbertoabudrussell970318 күн бұрын

    I missed this trio so much. Their tactical analysis is second to none in today’s pundit landscape, and they do so while being funny.

  • @gentleken7864

    @gentleken7864

    18 күн бұрын

    It's clear that The Athletic thought they were too silly and wanted only boring analysis. It's clear having someone like Adam Levanthal chairing the videos what they're after.

  • @viktoredv

    @viktoredv

    17 күн бұрын

    Just need it as a podcast...

  • @isahamilton01
    @isahamilton0118 күн бұрын

    The Jon Joe JJ trio is too powerful. Nothing else on youtube can match their abilities of football analysis. I’ve really been enjoying the new graphics, they’re all perfectly used and aren’t intrusive whatsoever. Kudos 👏

  • @chinortega3

    @chinortega3

    16 күн бұрын

    The jjj

  • @manniking233
    @manniking23318 күн бұрын

    UCL gives us these guys for two consecutive weeks. Let's not take that privilege for granted. I miss these guys together but I'll take what I can get...

  • @tianruixiao9239
    @tianruixiao923918 күн бұрын

    17:20 a rare laugh from Director Joe. I know we all love the tactical analysis but its the ridiculous questions that makes me love you guys.

  • @snake0sena
    @snake0sena17 күн бұрын

    “I wasn’t in France” “no but the players were” 😂😂

  • @SWJ808
    @SWJ80818 күн бұрын

    17:17 god I love Devine

  • @Audiostyleable
    @Audiostyleable18 күн бұрын

    As the everyman I would like to highlight that the videos from the athletic are 10x better with Joe devine

  • @leothecat9609
    @leothecat960918 күн бұрын

    MORE OF THIS

  • @clivepalmer3545
    @clivepalmer354518 күн бұрын

    Quality Arsenal assessment. I would mid block Bayern next time and jump on occasion Give them no transition - their keeper is too good in buildup

  • @YomsterFUT13

    @YomsterFUT13

    17 күн бұрын

    EXACTLY i think we olay how we did vs City but more attacking and in a more expressive nature plus we'll have martinelli as an outlet. Bayern were great but feel we played into their hands so this time being away the onus will be on them. Plus this season i feel were a better team when we need to play for a draw and lock in defensively with saliba, gabriel and rice @6 (which is where he should be 2nd leg) and then keep a clean sheet first and then go try score. Arteta taking a leaf from his FA Cup Winning defensive run days and also a tad bit Simeone inspired. Tuchel got arteta first leg imo but 2nd i feeel like Mikel finally gets his statement win on the european stage. AC Milan '08 Stuff 🤞🏾🤞🏾

  • @jg7088
    @jg708818 күн бұрын

    It tells us that one manager is bald

  • @drex5160

    @drex5160

    18 күн бұрын

    But which one tho? 🤔

  • @winter_silhouette

    @winter_silhouette

    18 күн бұрын

    Pep is just taller than his hair.

  • @ChadYu

    @ChadYu

    18 күн бұрын

    Perhaps we can infer that bald men are cute? 🤔

  • @robinthebobin6537

    @robinthebobin6537

    17 күн бұрын

    Pep's bald cap just hasn't broken yet. One day there'll be a strong gust of wind and it'll be revealed that he actually has long ginger hair (probably)

  • @Vociferous
    @Vociferous18 күн бұрын

    “How will managers change their plans going into the second leg” A plan that wasn’t was the fact that there wasn’t much defending happening for any tie, you cannot sit deep and invite oppositional pressure in the away leg, whilst not comfortably being in a position.

  • @Kaysfrancis
    @Kaysfrancis18 күн бұрын

    You guys are incredible. I can listen to you all day

  • @aka_jr
    @aka_jr18 күн бұрын

    For the culture, I need an Arsenal - Barcelona UCL final

  • @Montyweb

    @Montyweb

    18 күн бұрын

    That would be epic

  • @doodah111

    @doodah111

    18 күн бұрын

    To avenge the injustice of 2006

  • @theo-go3br

    @theo-go3br

    17 күн бұрын

    How poetic would it be to beat Porto (a good historical matchup for Arsenal), Bayern (a terrible historical matchup for Arsenal), Real (the literal greatest UCL club OAT), or City (their modern archnemesis and title holders), and finally Barcelona (for obvious reasons).

  • @jakubcygan8265

    @jakubcygan8265

    15 күн бұрын

    I'd bet my house on Arsenal in that game, but I won't bet it on them getting to the final

  • @marsx5886

    @marsx5886

    14 күн бұрын

    Welp

  • @malevellysian
    @malevellysian18 күн бұрын

    jj's promo at the end instead of joe sounds like a drunk homeless person snuck himself into the studio:/

  • @dshannon565
    @dshannon56511 күн бұрын

    Bayern sitting back against arsenal is more reflective of bayerns form this season. If Bayern were running away with the league and were consistent I think they would’ve imposed their game on arsenal. Bayerns team is better than arsenal man for man in my opinion so they should look to impose themselves on arsenal. Arsenal are a very beatable side. On Barca I’d love to see a video on gavi on why he so good. I personally don’t rate him that highly. He doesn’t score, assists, play key passes, dictate the game or dribble so he’s not effective going forward even though he plays high up the pitch. Yes he presses well but once he gets the ball he needs to be effective.

  • @mikaelvaldezco3983
    @mikaelvaldezco398318 күн бұрын

    just glad that Joe is back

  • @emmanuelonyono4517
    @emmanuelonyono451718 күн бұрын

    Great analysis bros for giving us deep understanding of the games.

  • @barca-vibe
    @barca-vibe18 күн бұрын

    This tifo irl crew needs to do more barca content… only sensible analyst in the athletic

  • @Sincerely.Eben.
    @Sincerely.Eben.18 күн бұрын

    These guys are just the best at talking about Football ⚽

  • @athreyathandeswaran7510
    @athreyathandeswaran751018 күн бұрын

    Pedri, Gavi, Cubarsi, Yamal, Balde, Fort, Faye, Guille, Roque

  • @anshumansahu1087

    @anshumansahu1087

    18 күн бұрын

    Foden, Rico Lewis, Claudio Echeverri, Oscar Bobb, Gvardiol, Doku, McAtee, Savinho, Yan Couto, Julian Alvarez, Haaland. With one of Wirtz/Musiala possibly inbound, the future is indeed very interesting.

  • @athreyathandeswaran7510

    @athreyathandeswaran7510

    18 күн бұрын

    ​​@@anshumansahu1087Finley Gorman as well. Olise can join City. You also have Perrone. Neves can join City.

  • @anshumansahu1087

    @anshumansahu1087

    18 күн бұрын

    @@athreyathandeswaran7510 Yes. Man City are seriously scouting Ruben Neves. Finley Gorman is a gem City brought from leeds recently.

  • @bread3017

    @bread3017

    15 күн бұрын

    @@anshumansahu1087 Very unlikely Wirtz or Musiala will join

  • @ChimwaniJohn

    @ChimwaniJohn

    15 күн бұрын

    Who are these guys

  • @debagniksen7809
    @debagniksen780918 күн бұрын

    Joe's voice is music in the ears

  • @zachmartin5647
    @zachmartin564718 күн бұрын

    Awesome editing. It made it super engaging

  • @deenofm3620
    @deenofm362017 күн бұрын

    This content is absolutely brilliant guys! Please keep this up and make it as often as physically possible… Seriously I cannot get enough of your guys analysis. So thorough, so well done, please like this video and share it so that it is financially feasible for these guys to pump this content out!

  • @tomdadude444
    @tomdadude44418 күн бұрын

    This lot would make an engaging podcast

  • @flickchic238
    @flickchic23817 күн бұрын

    These analyses are so great. I've learned so much about each team's tactics that can go unnoticed when watching their games in real-time. To be honest, I don't think Real Madrid's tactics are strong enough to defeat Man City. Madrid can score goals but when it comes to structure, I think City would have the advantage.

  • @exgonzo64
    @exgonzo6418 күн бұрын

    loving this new format

  • @fis9836
    @fis983618 күн бұрын

    ❤❤❤ great vid ;D

  • @dannysnooze
    @dannysnooze4 күн бұрын

    can someone tell me what pad they are using and what app they are using to run the tactics board and analytics on games?

  • @cameronjones8641
    @cameronjones864118 күн бұрын

    You guys are the best 👌🏼

  • @jarretc110
    @jarretc11017 күн бұрын

    i'm so glad the athletic are here to tell me what to think.

  • @StephenIbegbu-qj7gh
    @StephenIbegbu-qj7gh18 күн бұрын

    But Enrique didn’t even help Mbappe He put him out wide when he’s meant to be in the Mbappe zone with Nuno Mendes out wide This is the same problem Arsenal are having with Martinelli These run in behind goal getters like Rashford, Mbappe, Son and Martinelli have no reason to be held out wide They’ll be limited in the game

  • @thomasdavies2555
    @thomasdavies255517 күн бұрын

    Love hearing yall talk…hi from Santa Barbara

  • @sami3648
    @sami364813 күн бұрын

    This is the football podcast dream team

  • @pozsoz
    @pozsoz14 күн бұрын

    The quadruple J combo strikes again. I love you guys. Thanks

  • @Pipemurillo12
    @Pipemurillo1218 күн бұрын

    More Tifo hosts in the podcast please, love these guys beyond belief. I always thought the Athletic has sub-utilized their charisma into their business strategy

  • @buzzjens1
    @buzzjens118 күн бұрын

    These three men are the best football analysts itw

  • @siddharthsehgal620
    @siddharthsehgal62018 күн бұрын

    such a great video

  • @Untold-Football
    @Untold-Football17 күн бұрын

    John didn’t want that Arsenal fan angst 😂, finally you guys trusting the process 👌🏾

  • @josephashipala6249
    @josephashipala624918 күн бұрын

    I think Man city did well against Madrid cause u can see at the end of the game that Madrid where scard

  • @michaelfincham7306
    @michaelfincham730618 күн бұрын

    I believe they call it 'probing'.

  • @AmarRanaDeshmukh
    @AmarRanaDeshmukh15 күн бұрын

    More of these please

  • @willyum3920
    @willyum392015 күн бұрын

    I really get the feeling JJ is in mourning for what he's lost from the old days. I absolutely love him but I want them back and let off the leash to sing songs about a frog who could kill a man and redesign the super league. .... ok I might be projecting but that is what I see in JJ. Love you man 👍

  • @theach84
    @theach8418 күн бұрын

    8:45 Too many Arsenal fans exaggerate the defensive “problem” of Zinchenko while completely dismissing how he makes our whole team better. He literally does not give away that many goals. He makes the first second phase of our buildup much better. Arteta knows better and keeps trusting him.

  • @robinthebobin6537

    @robinthebobin6537

    17 күн бұрын

    Agreed, after seeing how Arteta's revitalised our club over the last few years, I'm inclined to believe he probably knows what he's doing.

  • @MrYisus217

    @MrYisus217

    16 күн бұрын

    he forgot that he was defending against aston villa, bailey's goal

  • @sjeskey8361
    @sjeskey836115 күн бұрын

    Man i wonder if these 3 would work well in some sort of podcast format???

  • @MrElias2002
    @MrElias200213 күн бұрын

    These guys are much better than the so called pundits on Sky, ESPN and CNBC.

  • @gabrielguerrero3404
    @gabrielguerrero340412 күн бұрын

    Try telling pep that. He’s the most stubborn manager in the world. After watching man city this whole season I can say that if a 500 minute match existed with unlimited substitutions and man city conceded in the 1st min without being able to score until the 499th minute pep wouldn’t change a thing over that much time(talking about style of play not substitutions )

  • @andytupman9874
    @andytupman987417 күн бұрын

    love John's final point of that arsenal would lose to city in the next round even though they have played each other 3 times this year with arsenal winning 2 of them and the other being a 0-0 draw

  • @kevinonyedikachukwu564
    @kevinonyedikachukwu56418 күн бұрын

    Great analysis

  • @lyndonroper6013
    @lyndonroper601318 күн бұрын

    Jon's Central Cordoba sweat is rad

  • @pranaychaturvedi7311
    @pranaychaturvedi731112 күн бұрын

    Jon, JJ, Joe partnership is like prime Rooney, Tevez, Ronaldo

  • @jasmeetxxx9
    @jasmeetxxx917 күн бұрын

    If only Tactics were enough in knockout football, i still have my reservations with the amount of attack we generated and think that will not improve in away game at Alliance Arena. Only a clean sheet can get us into the semis.

  • @vishalchatterjee7510
    @vishalchatterjee751010 күн бұрын

    Funny how both John and JJ took arsenal qualifying for granted.

  • @wdred
    @wdred18 күн бұрын

    So JJ is kinda saying that Real, particularly on the left side were using relationism?

  • @jbri1
    @jbri117 күн бұрын

  • @grid462
    @grid46213 күн бұрын

    I think I recall John Stones basically being hailed as the MVP for City last season. How devastating have his absences been this season? Or has he no longer been as critical to the team?

  • @chrishoward8500
    @chrishoward850018 күн бұрын

    Drawing in Madrid is being figured out? Guess City were figured out last year too

  • @MrOMGWTFROFL1
    @MrOMGWTFROFL118 күн бұрын

    Oh baby, TIFO is back

  • @allantoxic-101k
    @allantoxic-101k18 күн бұрын

    The only problem about Arsenal vs Bayern previous game ,is that Arteta forgot that Bayern winger can run faster than kiwior..Arsenal can win in Munich 2-1

  • @Jigga777

    @Jigga777

    12 күн бұрын

    Can they? 😂

  • @arfung9871
    @arfung987118 күн бұрын

    Best trio

  • @beerd__af
    @beerd__af16 күн бұрын

    The removal of the away goals rule makes both of the first leg games almost pointless. means the 2nd leg starts at 0-0

  • @sewaeric
    @sewaeric15 күн бұрын

    But u stopped making game tactical analysis on tifo

  • @jamesleiper6399
    @jamesleiper639918 күн бұрын

    Whilst both games were on I and probably John were watching Leeds draw nil nil

  • @shottskies
    @shottskies15 күн бұрын

    It will be a miracle if Madrid beat city in a few hours I feel… hurts me to say though

  • @DavidLimofLimReport
    @DavidLimofLimReport18 күн бұрын

    What's with these Sat morning releases?

  • @imacat123

    @imacat123

    18 күн бұрын

    Friday evening pst

  • @DK-nc9wr

    @DK-nc9wr

    18 күн бұрын

    @@imacat123 I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume the crew is based in the UK. Hence OP's question.

  • @theromalepe8600
    @theromalepe860013 күн бұрын

    The Man City prediction has aged poorly already 😂

  • @koutanot
    @koutanot18 күн бұрын

    Bayern can barely cope with arsenal in second half. Not sure what u mean

  • @garyanderton

    @garyanderton

    2 күн бұрын

    Sup ma guy

  • @andrewquick1609
    @andrewquick160914 күн бұрын

    Bloody fantastic you trio of jackanapes

  • @benharmon7369
    @benharmon736918 күн бұрын

    PEDRI! PEDRI! PEDRI! PEDRI!

  • @DanielS10291
    @DanielS1029117 күн бұрын

    Omg is this the podcast back?

  • @himdamnself
    @himdamnself18 күн бұрын

    Latest homegrown players. And someone had to mention Harry Kane.

  • @FlashMeterRed
    @FlashMeterRed18 күн бұрын

    No. Champions league teams have Champions league-level attacks

  • @maulanna
    @maulanna18 күн бұрын

    JONNN MCKENZIE!!!!

  • @abukhalidali1823
    @abukhalidali182317 күн бұрын

    Let's see

  • @snoopos
    @snoopos18 күн бұрын

    Do they do this analysis on other teams? Proper giving other teams' analysts on how to beat Arsenal 😅

  • @shadowside8433
    @shadowside843318 күн бұрын

    The chess game continues...

  • @alfflasymphonyx
    @alfflasymphonyx18 күн бұрын

    In regards to MBAPPE, the M is silent so pronounce it BAPPE. 😇

  • @arunnm24
    @arunnm2417 күн бұрын

    Joe fighting the good fight to keep the goofiness alive

  • @1972adamw
    @1972adamw13 күн бұрын

    How delicious would it be...if PSG and Real Madrid meet in the Finals?

  • @bhvithai5327
    @bhvithai532716 күн бұрын

    I can only imagine that if Grealish were a UAP, he would both probe and penetrate.

  • @chrisgarty
    @chrisgarty15 күн бұрын

    @13:55 Joe really trying to derail JJ with all the comments about probing and penetration 😆

  • @weeds56
    @weeds5617 күн бұрын

    Brill

  • @ChriSX13
    @ChriSX1318 күн бұрын

    i was today years old when i learned that you cannot be offside in your own half

  • @lukew6725

    @lukew6725

    17 күн бұрын

    Just wait until you find out that you can't score an own goal from a free kick. 😆

  • @samwalker8821
    @samwalker882118 күн бұрын

  • @jbri1
    @jbri117 күн бұрын

    Is that Doe Jevine?

  • @medelalmi
    @medelalmi17 күн бұрын

    19:00 so i'm an analyst then ? thanks

  • @gravy3858
    @gravy385818 күн бұрын

    For a random American: do you think JJ Bull would be hard to understand? His accent doesn’t seem TOO strong to me.

  • @callmedo

    @callmedo

    18 күн бұрын

    No, he is not hard to understand. But I can understand Carragher with no problem also so maybe it's just me haha

  • @TheLumberjocks

    @TheLumberjocks

    18 күн бұрын

    Im not a native speaker and can follow him easy. So for an American should be easy

  • @kingkenzokwansa
    @kingkenzokwansa16 күн бұрын

    6:40 if you're going to name drop the culprits for the goal why not mention your countryman Rice as well? He has been awful since coming back from the international break with England

  • @lowersaxon
    @lowersaxon18 күн бұрын

    Kluba Inglada a desappontionada alla matckas futballa Europea! Arsenala 2:2 a nixa sufficantionada. Chancka minimalia a stadione Allianza inda Municha. Leverpola a una katastropa extravaganza alla historia kluba. Nixa chancka alla secondo lego! Sola Manchesteria City a una gutska chancka forn secondo lego recka semifinalia! Takse mycke. Thank you much. Vielen Dank.

  • @ibrahimadat
    @ibrahimadat3 күн бұрын

    Gosh I really get frustrated by Jon mckinzies analysis, it’s classic example of arrogance of someone that understands a small aspect of something (tactics) but regularly misses the larger point. He’s so obsessed by in possession control that he thinks for some reason it’s superior, when it’s not. The best champions league teams never play like that, with two notable exceptions, Barcelona with messi and city last year which wasn’t even traditional in possession control. The reason it’s so successful in a league format is because it maintains possession against teams of considerably lower quality, reducing them to a few high quality chances rather than sustained attacks. At the business end of the champions league against the best teams it’s quite clearly suboptimal and actually makes the teams a bit toothless

  • @dookula
    @dookula18 күн бұрын

    Martin Erdagore

  • @danielseddon5213
    @danielseddon521318 күн бұрын

    I'm all for infographics, but this is too busy on-screen to watch and enjoy. For me at least. Felt like watching guardiola's recent press conferences with the moving billboards behind him.

  • @danielseddon5213

    @danielseddon5213

    18 күн бұрын

    P.s. loved the analysis though

  • @xykostorm

    @xykostorm

    18 күн бұрын

    Agreed. Over edited - still good- but too much

  • @donukb

    @donukb

    18 күн бұрын

    Yeah, that's fair. This will be improved on for next week. Thanks for your input and thanks for watching!

  • @liamness

    @liamness

    18 күн бұрын

    But without these graphics, how will people who don't know what the word "deferential" means follow along with the discussion?

  • @Cbb3225

    @Cbb3225

    18 күн бұрын

    As a casual fan, I appreciated the insight into tactics I hear often but don’t really know like pressing styles

  • @cescabhi
    @cescabhi18 күн бұрын

    LOL the disrespect to dortmund, barely spoken about for 2 minutes

  • @Epsilon04

    @Epsilon04

    18 күн бұрын

    Never deserve any respect ever again after how they threw the title away last season. Pathetic club.

  • @athreyathandeswaran7510
    @athreyathandeswaran751018 күн бұрын

    Bayern, City, Atleti and PSG thru imo PSG winning the whole thing. Kane bottling in the final.

  • @liesideways

    @liesideways

    18 күн бұрын

    Zero ball knowledge

  • @Immagoat-bo4xt

    @Immagoat-bo4xt

    18 күн бұрын

    You already lose at home against weaker barca side that relied heavily on la masia, have some shame

  • @lukew6725

    @lukew6725

    17 күн бұрын

    Lmao, PSG in the ucl is more likely to bottle than Kane. 😂

  • @jbri1
    @jbri117 күн бұрын

    Unbelievable, Joe and Jon using long words like deferential

  • @Ruony24
    @Ruony2418 күн бұрын

    What's a Dune Too, guys ?

  • @IggyGoesPop666
    @IggyGoesPop66618 күн бұрын

    The Athletic guys ... can you do a show about the Mickey Mouse David Moyes defeatist so called tactics???

  • @wycliffenyangate5018
    @wycliffenyangate501818 күн бұрын

    a PROBE and a PENETRATION.

  • @AbdallahAyman-mz4uf
    @AbdallahAyman-mz4uf13 күн бұрын

    Both Are Out LOL

  • @daddywax254
    @daddywax25418 күн бұрын

    I don’t like the new Tifo. Bring back the old Tifo.

  • @filthycasual729
    @filthycasual72918 күн бұрын

    what should i eat for breakfast ?

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