Cassidy was so focused on getting revenge, that they inadvertently prolonged the torture for everyone else by keeping William alive...

@hyperblaziken6572

8 ай бұрын

Including fnaf fans lmao

@WilltheHedgehog02

8 ай бұрын

​@@hyperblaziken6572God that is so true 😭

@Nymphonomicon

8 ай бұрын

The cycle of vengeance isn't sensible or smart.

@the8bitclicker_193

8 ай бұрын

​​​@@hyperblaziken6572 blame Cassidy for the direction of this series

@DarkRaikon

8 ай бұрын

the new dlc change it so it's just the mimic that survived a meltdown between Afton and the mimic ....Maybe

Every theory is controversial and no theory is right because majority of fnaf lore is unexplained, so I say watch part 4

@questionfor9502

8 ай бұрын

Agreed 9/10 the most controversial theories MatPat makes turns out correct or at least close enough to true to be considered

@DragonLordBear

8 ай бұрын

Theoretically you can’t say any theory is right. Because if it was it would be a fact, not a theory.

@couriercat826

8 ай бұрын

@@DragonLordBear Trueee and thats whyyyy thats just a theoryyyy

@DubiousFIN

8 ай бұрын

​@@couriercat826what type of theory?

@madhav6540

8 ай бұрын

​​@@DubiousFINA GAMEEE THEORYYYYY

While part 4 is now outdated, it's still a fun watch and makes sense of the information that we had at the time.

@TheLibermania

8 ай бұрын

I'm genuinely asking if there are still many people invested in the story. For me i lost the plot after Security Breach.

@OrcaIguana

8 ай бұрын

​@@TheLibermaniasomehow ruin got me back in because of how insane it is. No logic. No sense. It's wild.

@TheLibermania

8 ай бұрын

@@OrcaIguana From a games perspective, yeah. But not from a lore perspective. The lore is just so tangled and all over the place.

@The_Speak_EZ

8 ай бұрын

@@TheLibermania The whole Mimic stuff has sorta killed the lore. 'Cause it's not Afton that's Glitchtrap/Burntrap, it's The Mimic...mimicking Afton through either The Mimic witnessing the MCI or through them scanning the Spring Bonnie circuit board. But all it does is confuse it more.

@Skibbutz

8 ай бұрын

​@@The_Speak_EZthe mimic is like the LEAST confusing piece of lore this series has had in years It's not complicated, y'all just can't read

It’s just a theory after all so I would definitely watch part 4. At the time that was the closest he could have gotten with the evidence provided.

@TheLibermania

8 ай бұрын

People should really stop to be so toxic and ruin everything with it. I bet many people watched the video for pure entertainment purpose and don't care if it's right or wrong. And even if it's wrong (i stopped to care after Security Breach), it's just a video game after all.

i've never actually played fnaf but i've been invested in the lore for years now 💀 also congrats on 87K subs on this channel! THEY SCOOPED HIM!

@loginyes3745

8 ай бұрын

That’s just how it goes

@noah_j_mc

8 ай бұрын

Ditto that

@Ly_7838

8 ай бұрын

Pretty sure that's like at least 30% of the Fandom

@dr.light123-jq4zg

8 ай бұрын

Bro same

@gryphon4150

8 ай бұрын

What's even more interesting, is that it's just a genuinely good story behind it. Like, sure there are plot holes and plot conveniences, but there's nothing too egregious and overall the positives make up for the negatives.

"Greetings from the fire and from the one you should not have killed" is one of the coldest and most satisfying line that i ever heard from this game hahahah

@Roach_Dogg_JR

8 ай бұрын

I swear UCN has some of the most needlessly badass lines in gaming history. Withered chicas sound design is pure genius

FANF is so wild and MatPat does pretty say he is reaching a bit here and there at Part 4, but he cared more about writing a story than making every piece fit piece since the lore and details changed like ten times and it is getting kinda crazy. I say watch it but remember it is just a theory a GAME THEORY

@Celtic1020

8 ай бұрын

My favorite franchise. Five at nights Freddy's.

@shadowdragon7347

8 ай бұрын

Five at nights freddys is a fantastic series. It was my childhood

You guys put it best. “The game is confusing as hell” Part 4 is his best interpretation of what he had. It also doesn’t help that it’s been kinda confirmed that the later games have multiple potential scenarios running together.

Absolutely watch part 4. It's definitely wrong, but it raised valuable discussion and it's not like there's anything offensive in there. The whole point of theorizing is to ask questions and suggest things. People be way too volatile about this stuff, Matpat had to make a whole video talking about why people need to chill lol they are just theories that he and the entire community create for fun and comradery. People dogpiled on poor Fuhnaff and it was super not cool.

@Cody_L._Brock

8 ай бұрын

How is it wrong?

@Kadash10

8 ай бұрын

@@Cody_L._Brock That would be spoilers lol but suffice to say, the entire theory hinges upon an idea that is a huge stretch at best and the new books and DLC gave so much new information that it basically renders the entire episode moot. Still, it's entertaining and worth the watch just for fun.

@TheUltimateShade667

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, the accuracy only really matters if you play the games. As someone who hasn't really touched a FNAF game Alicia won't know what's wrong or right anyway.

@BaeBunni

8 ай бұрын

it's dumb to get upset over something basically being retroactively wrong.

@jturriff99

8 ай бұрын

​@@Cody_L._Brock the choice matpat had at the time was between two bit of a stretches that thematically fit or the easy 'someone new did it'. Shortly after a new book released revealing the new someone who did it. What can you do when the evidence doesn't exist yet and the story wouldn't feel satisfying yet

Never noticed how crazy the lore gets post fnaf 4 and during sister location but man its a wild ride and that ending speech is still amazing

@serPomiz

8 ай бұрын

man, and you should see the "shown/ told and not shown" stuff from securty breach and the dlc

@hidanprime

8 ай бұрын

Henry's monologue at the end of FNaF 6 is literally 🔥🔥🔥

Number 4 got disproven by a new book as soon as it came out, so MatPat kinda got screwed in regards to that one. You can watch it, because it isn’t ALL wrong, but a lot of it suffers from “lack of information that we have now.”

@Roach_Dogg_JR

8 ай бұрын

Really annoys me when people can’t simply look at what date the information became public vs when his video came out to see that it’s really not his fault that the theory didn’t pan out, it’s just Cawthon throwing twists in to fuck with everyone.

Even if the info in the last theory in his timeline isn't accurate anymore due to how quickly the FNAF timeline changes with new game and book releases and info drops, it's still a VERY entertaining video and a good story, more than worth watching for that alone.

Totally do part 4. Most people who get up tight and whine about it being wrong or the ones who are unhappy with themselves😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@PsychoDiesel48

8 ай бұрын

Also, skipping it only will cause more confusion with the lore jumping around. It's also a fascinating interpretation of the story

@delaneyfells913

8 ай бұрын

@@PsychoDiesel48 like baseline. So many people forget that it's a theory. None of it is concrete it's not supposed to 🤣🤣🤣

@PsychoDiesel48

8 ай бұрын

@@delaneyfells913 I know right!? "It's just a theory" rings hollow in the fanatics ears for some reason.

@delaneyfells913

8 ай бұрын

@@PsychoDiesel48 honestly tho it's ridiculous

@aarongallardo3684

8 ай бұрын

​@@PsychoDiesel48other viewers forget that line sadly

You should watch part 4, its most definitely wrong but at the time he wrote it it was the closest to right he couldve been with the evidence we had then

@xenoemblem7

8 ай бұрын

How come you say it's wrong where it's not even right to begin with? Like it's a *THEORY,* not fact.

@water5082

8 ай бұрын

​@@xenoemblem7mostly because if, at best, Williams wife married him in her 20s, at the time of sb she'd be 85. It's just silly to think of someone that old pulling all the stunts Matpat theorized off

@firepanda1874

8 ай бұрын

​@@water5082as silly as William surviving for 30 years in a rabbit suit trapped in a room while also being a corpse?

@water5082

8 ай бұрын

@@firepanda1874 something something remnant remnant yada yada

@TheBaxter27

8 ай бұрын

Pretty much where I stand. Part 4 has plenty of mistakes, but it gives a pretty basic idea for the latter part of the lore. Besides, trying to tell FNAF's story in a cohesive way is a fool's errand anyway

If you feel like it, and have some hours to fill, it's a lot of fun to go back and watch all the game theory videos on fnaf lore in order of release. You can see the evolution of his theories over time as more details were gradually revealed by new games and books being released. It's a fascinating journey.

@bakuhakudraws5603

8 ай бұрын

I would also recommend GiBi's 9 hour behemoth, which goes through the games in release order much like those old Game Theory videos, giving breakdowns of each one, then the last hour and a half is his complete timeline, which follows the same broad strokes as Matpat's, but changes around a few key details timeline-wise, and also places a lot more emphasis on the minigames and Henry's side of things, which is a very cool concept that's very underexplored in Matpat's version.

The reason the 4th one is wrong is it was made before the release of the SB DLC Ruin, where a massive curveball was thrown with the introduction of a new character

It only gets more fucked up in Sister Location; as the animatronics in that bunker were prevented from escaping by “controlled shocks.” Essentially electrocuting them painfully if they messed up or to ensure they’re “functioning”. Implying that William was always a bastard to his own family.

So the fourth video has gotten a lot of things wrong but it's also an old video and at the time there wasn't anything that could really be said to be definitively wrong but we've got a lot more information now

William being tortured in his own personal he’ll is my preferred end to the FNAF timeline because it ties up basically all the loose ends and is a satisfying conclusion. Also William took the meme “dying is gay” to a whole nother level.

Alicia should definitely watch part 4, specially since this is the moment this franchise gets crazy! (a little too crazy honestly) also THEY SCOOPED MY BOY

Part 4 of this is a must have. Sure majority of it has been proven false with the latest information that we got with the release of Ruin DLC but the conclusion that MatPat has reached is still interesting and he has a skill for making fun to watch. Plus who knows maybe some of it will still be true later on. Also you and Coma really pulled yourself together compared to the last one, to the point that I don't mind him anymore. Have fun together :D

Go ahead and watch the fourth video. It's the best he could do with what he had at the time. There is one major point that he uses to connect all the other points that turns out to be wrong, so the structure he set up falls apart, but he was on the right track with most of the smaller points. You should also watch his GTLive videos reacting to other theories about the series. There are a lot of points that they bring up that Matt eventually incorporates into his own theories.

I dont blame the mom for leaving and not taking michael. Not only is michael the reason for one of her childs deaths, albeit accidentally, but michael looks exactly like his father, but in his early 20s. Like scary twin scenario. And she wouldnt wanna remember the monster her husband became

I got sick recently, and the scooper/guy turning into a zombie has repeated over and over again in my mind becoming a literal fever dream.

20:11 William never killed his wife. Those baby statue heads just represent the 3 family members that disappeared from their life.

As someone in twitch chat suggested you should watch an undeniably cannon five nights at Freddy’s timeline, which is a satirical take on the story and is really funny,

31:00 “Hope is a bitch!” Words to live by!!

On the topic of keepin trophies as often seen in most serial killers behaviours, the animatronics ARE the trophies most likely

I feel like I've said it this before but if i haven't *as someone who is caught up* on the games i can tell you this timeline is still largely accurate. Literally one or two details have gotten swapped since the fourth part was released and a few details Mat couldn't have possibly known about were introduced. So at WORST the timeline is only 88% accurate. Which is still a lot mind you.

36:17 Fun fact: That screaming your hearing? Is literally Scott Cawthon screaming into a desk fan.

Oh naw THEY DON SCOOPED MY MANS!!!

I actually prefer watching groups of people, it allows them to banter back and forth, I actually found you via your Vox Machina reactions and I liked that partially because there were two of you!

MatPat had a theory that the original idea for the box in FNAF 4 was going to reveal the whole series was dreams and hallucinations, but then Scott realized how badly received that explanation would be and cut it out of the DLC.

His 4th video on this timeline is pure speculation because at the time this released, he didn't have enough info to make a solid theory and when the dlc released it's made his theory look way worse than it was. Best thing to do is watch it with a grain of salt and don't believe any of it as fact. It's a disproven theory but it allows you to see what the collective thoughts of the time, of part of the fandom. The other half of the fandom was up in arms because it's such a speculative theory with little to no proof to make it plausible. After you finish this series you need to watch Fuhnaff's theories of the more modern fnaf. Fuhnaff has a really keen eye for searching for secrets that even surprised Mattpat.

“What’d they do to my boy, they scooped him!” 😂😂😂

I think you should still watch pt. 4 but with the understanding that literally not too long after the posting of this video a book came out that literally changed everything lol. So even matpat doesn’t think it’s right but the pt. 4 does explain some good things about the last 3 games

@FubukiTheIcyKing

8 ай бұрын

Honestly that's the point where I got tired of FNAF lore

While part 4 is put into to question due to the new books that came out shortly after the video, it's still a good watch. Also, if you wanted to know what the books brought to the lore he has made videos talking about that

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Scott himself, even though he publishes more books and more games are coming out, like many other authors and creators of franchises, sagas and series. Leave it a mystery and that's good because they want to keep it for us. To try to solve it using our own imagination, theory, ideas and come up with our own Head Canon. -------- We all know MatPat from Game theory and John from Fun this two are mostly closer. But we also know ​Scott himself, even though he publishes more books and more games are coming out, like many other authors and creators of franchises, sagas and series. Leave it a mystery and that's good because they want to keep it for us. To try to solve it using our own imagination, theory, ideas and come up with our own Head Canon.

Apparently mat got a cameo in the fnaf movie, where his name is ness, Matt thought it was a reference to a fnaf character, but it was actually a reference to when he posted cringe thinking Ness was sans undertale

@LiMe251

3 ай бұрын

Matpat never really got all that serious with theories until after fnaf, iirc his first theory was literally Mario being high.

Poor Michael. Game Theory is at its best when they just get to spin a narrative without regard to being "right".

So the alternative theory to what Matpat presents here is that Circus Baby's and the events of Sister Location happen earlier: 1985 is William Afton's initial murder spree, and 1987 is when FNAF 2 happens (the next earliest point in the timeline, Gameplay-wise) Matpat places Circus Baby's later down the line, and has Mike come across it after all of the FNAF locations close in '93, making him a security guard for the empty buildings after everything is closed. I think it's perfectly reasonable for Circus Baby's to be opened between 85 and 87, and Mike, recently 18, is brought in by his father to help out in bringing his little brother and sister back to life, only for Mike to discover the truth, get SCOOPED, and swear to stop his father. This avoids the issue of the Sister Location animatronics being designed for kidnapping kids (William has already murdered and is beginning to experiment with remnant, so he's designing new robots for that purpose between his first murder spree in '85 and the second Fazbear location opening in '87), but also makes it so that Mike is actually working as the night security guard at those locations while they're open in '87 and '93 respectively. He's not hunting down clues about his long-disappeared father, he's searching for his father who has gone missing and is still on the loose. This keeps the events generally in sequence (and dodges the issue of the animatronics already being dismantled like they would be if Mike was coming to these locations after '93), while also adding a thematic element where Mike and William keep just barely missing one another: William is working day shift at the FNAF 2 location in '87 and Mike comes in to work night shift RIGHT AFTER his father leaves, then Mike is working night shift at FNAF 1 in '93, with his father stuck in a boarded up secret room somewhere in the building, neither knowing the other is there.

Nightmare freddy: I am remade, but not by you. But by the one you should not have killed Mangle: He's here, and always listening the one you shouldn't have killed. Withered chica: I have seen him. The one you shouldn't have killed! Jacko Chica: Greetings from the fire, and from the one you should not have killed. Those lines alwayw stump ucn players and now that this part of the timeline is clear, it's more scary

Go for 4, its all good, theories are theories after all.

The speech at the end of pizza sim always gives me chills

9:50 It's ok to watch, with the mindset that it's all just speculation based on one game, unreleased at the time DLC and a lot of just Matpat's imagination. It's his vision what the future of the franchise may be and he does note it down. 11:25 Hopefully this doesn't age badly in next 10 years.

Watch the 4th one, it is just a theory afterall and he actively points out that he's having to make some stretches to fit shit together - the game lore is conveluted and all that but people forget sometimes that in the end of the day **Its just a theory**

I would recommend watching part 4. The thing people don't seem to get about the theory videos is that They Are Theory's . which if people don't understand Theory's are non confirmed meaning you put up evidence and try to prove something you think could be right.

'What do you see as positive about toddler murder?' "Uhh... it's easy?" 'Yess... it is easy.'

As someone who has had his toe dipped into FNAF lore for the past 9 odd years… burning them hasn’t done crap XD

For the pay check for fnaf 1 being 1987, it might have been cause since it was the first game, game dev scott cawthon didn’t have the full picture yet and as time went on, he refined the details

LOL!! "10 yr olds fight back" How u know that?? Hello police? 👀

Can't believe he got 360 no scooped

With the fun time animatronics the moment one of them is alone with a kid. It insta mercs them by violently shoving the body into their chest cavity.

The FNAF book trilogy - The Silver Eyes, The Twisted Ones, and The Fourth Closet, in that order - is an alternate universe that’s SIMILAR to the game series. It’s the fanbase’s job to piece together how the book trilogy and games are similar, i.e. more hoops for us to jump through. Major spoiler for the books: The book trilogy goes as far as to portray animatronics rising from the ground like zombies. In the Midnight Motorist game in Pizzeria Sim, I believe it’s not Michael’s brother buried in that one mound, but Fredbear - the animatronic that killed him. William and Michael most likely buried Fredbear, and the brother’s spirit starts to haunt Michael. That’s why a single animatronic footprint is visible, yet the mound remains untouched. And, that’s why there are so many hallucinations of Golden Freddy. Outside of mini games, the physical suit is never seen until Ultimate Custom Night. Maybe an empty body possessed by 2 souls is powerful enough to cause hallucinations? Side Note - Maybe the Phantoms are actually there because the salvaged animatronic parts have remnant in them, and both they and Molten Freddy (Ennard/metal spaghetti monster in Pizzeria Sim) needed to burn so they could finally rest? I dunno.

Part 4 is technically outdated but its what MatPat put together with all the info we had at the time so its still worth watching to understand any corrections later.

5:45 thats the OJ defence, this "if i did it" talk, its funny tho

14:58 Michael is a young adult at this point in the timeline.

Here's a random quote from william- "You however... are FISH"

You have no idea how hype I am for these reactions as a KZread frog

Wow I found the previous 2 videos, and subsequently your channel, like yesterday (or the day before maybe 😅). Funny how that worked out.

Ohh Naawww they Scooped my boy- 💀

Henry's Speech still gives me chills

Let's gooooo thank you Alicia

Go head and watch Part 4 if you want. It may not be accurate with what we know now, but it's still a fun "what if" scenerio.

29:50 "I am the Remnant" -Mike Afton, probably

I got a dang ad that was for freddy's steak house, and it was a delivery service ad that said we'll come to you and I just froze, because I looked away from the screen. I didn't know it was a steak house, until I looked back up. Im not going to sleep well tonight.😭

It's more that at the time they were making part 4 the lore made sense, but when they put it all in one video new lore came out that disproved most of part 4

@soul6733

8 ай бұрын

Except even then it didn't make much sense. Like apparently Matpat forgot how much time passed between games considering he said that a 90+ old woman would want to bring her family back together.

The last episode is controversial. Not wrong. It is just a theory after all. I would recommend watching it.

Basically, watch the fourth video if you want to; don't stress if you'd rather not, though. I think he did pretty good with how little information we had available to run off at the time. Still, a lot of people really can't handle the idea that someone else might have a theory they disagree with, and they got real outta pocket with Mat over it. Man is just trying to feed his family and build a compelling narrative with the clues he's given. It ain't that deep, but people took it personally.

Whatching Alicea & Klcoma talking about kids. Me:picks Up Phone Phone:911 whats your emergency

Go ahead and watch part 4. It’s not gonna hurt anything

Watch pt 4 if you want to (Matpat has brought it up recently that A LOT of his theories have been dismissed only for them to have been more in line with the narrative of the game than any of the popular theories at the time) it’s still most likely wrong but it does bring up an alternate perspective than a lot of other currently running theories. It’s also not his most recent theory on the games since ruin and more recent books definitely disproved him so I’d say watching the 4th part would be best done with the more recent theories of his where he discusses and disproves his own theories

THEY SCOOPED MY BOY HE AIN'T NOTHIN WRONG

I wouldn't mind if alicia reacted to henry's speech in its entirety ,when she finishes this. I think it deserves it.

The fourth video on Matpat's old timeline video is basically outdated. You could certainly still watch it, but always remember that the content is already outdated and the new "story" would be theorized more in the future. For now, up until The Ultimate Custom Night (UCN) the story had already locked in and widely accepted. It's just the new game are newly established that we don't know how the story supposedly goes yet. Still, watch the fourth video.

29:51 “I am……… the remnant.” Really got me for some reason. Just making the plot into some kinda fantasy ass melodramatic soap opera thing.

I watched a Australian couple playing alien isolation in vr and they were drunk and high at the same time it was funny and on nightmare mode

When he said there was a lot of speculation. He truly meant it.

THEY SCOOPED MY BOY 😭😭😭

I love Coma’s comment accidentally making himself sound like a serial killer 😂 He’s hilarious, love him

The lore of the games has always been there, its just a matter of piecing together the puzzle, which the books help with

@44:50 Maybe, but that journal Mike was writing in the security log book? They _kinda_ released it. Not quite, because it was "disguised" as a kids activity book: _Five Nights at Freddy's: Survival Logbook_ It contains *lore!*

odd that he left out the detail on how they all got inside Mike after he was scooped e.g stripping themselves down and rebuilding themselves into a know terminator looking being called Ennard before donning mike like a cheap Halloween costume XD

You should totally watch the fourth episode. It would complete the series and the people who say it’s wrong are just salty about someone having a different opinion

The timeline is messed up because the game creator planned for fnaf 4 to be the last in the series(i think that was written by him in the fnaf 4 steam page)and it's timeline suggests that the crying child actually saw his sister dying and he was the actual protagonist of fnaf 4 at first and William was scaring him from getting close to the animatronics so he doesn't get hurt but fnaf: sister location changed the lore of the series so that is why some parts in the series from fnaf 1 to fnaf 4 are weird or simply contradicts some other parts

the no bones just reminds me of max0rs running "no bones" joke T-T

THEY SCOOPED MY BOY!

_THEY SCOOPED MY MANS!_

He done got SCOOPED!

I would say you should still watch the last part and then after watching it you can decide if you agree with his theory. Despite a lot of people didn't like the last part (especially the early part of the video) the whole video still had merits if you listen to his theories. What i like about Matpat he's not scared to say thing controversial despite the theory is quite absurd. In the end it's just theories not the actual fact.

Looks at like button I guess that's happening sooner than you thought lol

You and Coma have great banter. xD

We love klcoma in this household ❤❤❤❤❤

Don't listen to the dummies telling you not to watch the last part. Chase them views. You know they'll watch that shit anyway so them telling you to not react to it holds absolutely no god damn weight.😂

they scooped him, they scooped him, they scooped my boy

THEY SCOOPED HIM ✋😭🤚

THEY SCOOPED HIM! THEY SCOOPED MY BOY!

Nah finish the last one. The people who were whining and crying about probably never understood the definition of a theory

Poor Mike. Feel so bad for the guy