Nice to see the GTX960 doing spectacularly it in the best era of gaming.

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

Hehe true :)

@BastetFurry

3 жыл бұрын

Best era is debatable, mine is more around the time of the heyday of the economy simulations like Fugger 2, great hotseat multiplayer game by the way, and Hanse Expedition or CRPGs like the World of Xeen. Who needs more than mode 13h anyway? ;)

@asretropcsuk4103

3 жыл бұрын

Phil. Great video. Makes me wonder if my i7 5930k with GTX 970 will be my next Windows XP project.

@almightysosa8395

3 жыл бұрын

@@asretropcsuk4103 The 970 isn't compatible with windows xp only the 960 is the highest gpu you can use in XP.

@asretropcsuk4103

3 жыл бұрын

@@almightysosa8395 I have both but I was under the impression a driver version could be hacked to.work

FEAR , DOOM III , Quake 4 and Tomb Raider Legend were eye candy on my 8800 gts x 1280x1024 high settings.

@BetterCallBigShotAutos

2 жыл бұрын

_tom raider_

This "retro" pc is similar to my current system...

@Reziac

3 жыл бұрын

LOL, me too. Of course, by my age _I_ am retro....

@lucasrem

3 жыл бұрын

smoogles Most people never needed a new PC, only noobs still build intel systems, needing DX Windows. iPad is faster, not for everyone, guess these are the last days of PC now....

@trashtronics1700

3 жыл бұрын

@@lucasrem I pads are absolute trash compared to a modern system not to mention the company in itself if a stain on humanity

@airmicrobe

3 жыл бұрын

My every current single system is less than 550 ti gpu with i5 2400.

@ryanmalin

3 жыл бұрын

@@lucasrem lol calling intel fans noobs and then saying to buy apple 🤦‍♂️

I bet your favorite farcry game is farcry4 huh?

@philscomputerlab

Ай бұрын

First one and then Far Cry 3 😁

Great video, as always! As someone who started with Cyrix 233PR and S3 Virge and later Voodoo2 in same configuration, your videos are a pure refreshment for me!

7:00 999 FPS for 3DMark 2001? Practically unplayable!

@inbox24

3 жыл бұрын

It's literally unplayable...because it's a benchmark!

@abooogeek

3 жыл бұрын

Meanwhile....I had 1FPS on 3DMark2001 with an S3 Savage on-board with a P4 2.4Ghz on a VIA PM266 :p.

@ruxandy

3 жыл бұрын

@@inbox24 actually, it is playable - it also has a game demo mode :-)

@ProDigit80

3 жыл бұрын

I remember my old Intel AGP with 8MB of Vram did 20-25FPS, and only could keep up, because it couldn't render the rocket explosions correctly (they'd appear as bright rectangles). I then moved on to a Riva TNT 32 and that one had about 32fps, but displayed everything perfectly. I remember playing ONI at max settings, 800x600 pix for days! Was an awesome game!

I believe some games are locked not to 60FPS, but to your monitor's refresh rate. Speaking of which, I remember having to use separate utilities for forcing certain refresh rates for CRTs for games, because when the game started not in desktop resolution, it would often use 60Hz despite CRT supporting up to 120Hz.

Gonna watch with pleasure. Here we have 15 cm of snow and not stopping.

@davkdavk

3 жыл бұрын

Meanwhile it's 35C here in Australia

@Neksus-M06

3 жыл бұрын

Was worth it. Now 20 cm + of snow. I'm measuring Phil's videos length in snow cms from now on :)

@Neksus-M06

3 жыл бұрын

@@davkdavk You are in dire need of air conditioning! We can trade °C! :)

@davkdavk

3 жыл бұрын

@@Neksus-M06 ha ha, for sure Mate. You should plumb your watercooler radiator outside

@mapesdhs597

3 жыл бұрын

@@davkdavk I talked to a guy in Sweden who did that, he was getting something crazy like 15C load temps on on an X79 setup way back. :D

this type of videos makes me happy , i love lga 2011

@lucasrem

3 жыл бұрын

museum guy?

I am busy setting up a dos gaming pc.It's a dual core amd 2.6ghz running win xp and using dos box for emulation.I grew up in dos era.I am having a blast.During the week my friend phoned me and we did an arcade gaming session with mame and retroarch.We had a blast.I forgot how much fun the old games are :)

I got lucky, picked up an Asus P8Z77-I Deluxe with a 3770K, 16GB 2133 ram and a Gigabyte 4GB 960 for £120. I had a cooler master Elite 130 ITX case, Corsair H80 120mm AIO cooler and 650W PSU along with a 500GB SSD and 2TB HDD spare and got a USB XFI card that supports the final version of EAX, and for less than it costs now for a Ryzen 5 3400G, I got a decent XP/W7 system to tinker with. I did fork out a bit more after though slim DVD drive and a 5.25 bay that would support a slim DVD and a 3.5" hot swap bay I bought 2 of by mistake for my 98 PC, looks nice though. Overclocks like a beast as well, all things considered, hits 5GHZ stable with no problems and runs cool after I delided it and put on some liquid metal. The real beauty of a machine like this though is that unlike my main PC, this is pretty much a set in stone machine now (well short of me chucking my 980ti in there when I give my brother in law my 1080ti), so I can tweak it to my hearts content and know I am getting the most out of it. Doubles as a nice HTPC and emulation station as well.

this basically proves that my main computer can work with XP. EDIT: thanks for the heart and from further research I'll need modded drivers for my GTX 980 but that's all.

@rickylonghaul682

3 жыл бұрын

If you edit your comment, the heart goes away

@whitebeartigtig

3 жыл бұрын

@@rickylonghaul682 wut? that's new???

@rickylonghaul682

3 жыл бұрын

@@whitebeartigtig Nah it's been that way. I think it's in case you change the comment to something that would make the creator look bad for liking it.

@whitebeartigtig

3 жыл бұрын

@@rickylonghaul682 ah right got it.

Phil your movies are simply perfect! The best retro builds on the internet - like really!

Huh. I did NOT know boards of this ilk supported XP! My main rig is still an ASRock extreme4 gen3 with an i5-2500k and a Twin Frozr 6950. Just looked up the drivers and sweet! I know what I'll be doing very soon! Thanks Phil.

That graphics card memory size and Sound blaster EAX make my R3 1300x retro gaming pc's XP VM jealous...

High speed Windows XP!!!! A Phil Fan Favourite!

how cool the video phil, congratulations !!! I would like to see you making retrogaming videos on linux, I really like linux and the operating systems that were inspired or even based on the original unix, so if possible I would like to see some of these contents on your channel!!!!!

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

I know nothing about Linux! The video would not turn out well and will likely upset the Linux fans because I don't know what I'm doing :)

@Reziac

3 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab Well then, it'd be an adventure :) I like PCLinuxOS with KDE-Plasma desktop; it's been gradually replacing Windows on my newer boxen, because I can't stand Win10. And it's pretty much five minute install and everything works.

@silviocesarsilvaoliveira

3 жыл бұрын

@@Reziac PCLinuxOS is cool but in general usability I still prefer Xubuntu for games and everyday tasks.

@Reziac

3 жыл бұрын

@@silviocesarsilvaoliveira For me, Xfce is too limiting, and I've never liked the Buntu family. I've been messing with linux since RedHat6, but the first linux I really liked was Mandrake 7.2, and since then have found I always prefer Mandrake descendants. PCLinuxOS is perhaps Mandrake's nearest successor in terms of ease of use and Everything Just Works, it's extremely stable, and it's a lot less buggy than Mageia. Also, it's a rolling distro, which I like because reinstalling is against my religion. :D Even tho a full install takes less than 5 minutes! Te each his own... there are folks who adore Win10. Heads, examination room, thataway!

I see PhilsComputerLab video, I like before watching the video :D.

@trash_miner

3 жыл бұрын

Always!

Quite a trick I'm using for NFS Most Wanted 2005. Downloaded 16:9 fix and disable the in-game Visual Treatment and use Radeon Software to tweak the color temps and saturation. No other mods needed except for a 16:9 wide screen fix.

It might be worth investigating the /3GB kernel switch to allocate more user space memory. This can also conflict with drivers, though. If you wanted to go really crazy you could try running Windows 2003 Datacenter, which supports Physical Address Extension that allows up to 64 GB memory usage on 32-bit systems via bankswitching.

I just built a _retro PC_ for my son (as a second machine) out of parts I had laying around. A Gigabyte GA-X58a-UD3R, i7-930, 12GB DDR3 Corsair @1333MHz & a Galax GTX 960 Super Overclocked.

@lucasrem

3 жыл бұрын

why you call old parts retro, this is not your wetdreams Voodoo build or anything museum noobs love.. he needs it for Fortnite, late commer?

@blai5e730

3 жыл бұрын

@@lucasrem - his normal PC setup is in the garage (long story but suffice to say he needs to be out there and not in the house) and the other day it was 40C... too hot . This is a PC he can use in the study for Diablo 2(?) I think. I have much older working parts (back to Celerons, Pentium 4's, Socket 939 AMD's, etc.) but the build I made can at least run reasonably.

Why do you disable two cores windows xp will take 4 cores and ht

@Shagittarius

3 жыл бұрын

XP doesn't have a core limit, it will take as many cores as you have. XP home only allow 1 CPU, Pro allows only 2 CPUs, but both will use as many cores as you have.

@lucasrem

3 жыл бұрын

@@Shagittarius only in they are on one socket, multiple sockets is only supported by corporate license, HP and all.

before watching: this seems a bit overkill.

@MarcWeavers

3 жыл бұрын

@@wowitsshit9734 yeah i do miss those days, but defo a better platform for winXP than lga2011

@MarcWeavers

3 жыл бұрын

@@wowitsshit9734 i have a dedicated socket 478 win XP machine stored at a friends house, old hardware, more compatible for the games id be playing

@larsjj2794

3 жыл бұрын

It's not about whether you should...

I have my gaming computer from 2011, Q6600 quad core, 8GB Ram, GTX 260 FTW in SLI...but I want to buy a GTX 295 since that was top GPU back in day

@virtualtools_3021

3 жыл бұрын

2x285 should be faster than 295, i think the 295 is basicly a dual underclocked 275 card

@charlieb308

3 жыл бұрын

@@virtualtools_3021 yes 2-285s would be sweet

This should be named 'Installing windows xp on budget hardware'. 😅 System is better than the most of the computers out there... 😅

@Reziac

3 жыл бұрын

Haha, true. If I didn't already have two of this class, I'd be eyeing that board.. very similar to my Asus.

@JohnSmith-xq1pz

3 жыл бұрын

@@Reziac Along the line of My 1300x retro gaming pc. Though it's 8gb of DDR4 2400mhz, sapphire Radeon HD 6450 (1gb model), and onboard sound (I'm hoping to find a Sound Baster Auditory card) for it some day

@Reziac

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnSmith-xq1pz I don't do modern games so haven't bothered with that aspect, but... 32GB RAM in one, 64GB in the other (since I had it from an old server, why not) and whatever vidcard was handy. Makes for a nice fast everyday PC.

@JohnSmith-xq1pz

3 жыл бұрын

@@Reziac Dang that's a lot of ram 😲

@Reziac

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnSmith-xq1pz Server didn't need it anymore :D

Wow, your videos have inspired me to build a XP machine, I have lying around Xeon X5470 and HD7950, I just need to work out what sound card I can use

@lucasrem

3 жыл бұрын

why you keep that old junk, XP, why you need that, running what?

@virtualtools_3021

3 жыл бұрын

@@lucasrem someone can't read video titles

I really miss X-FI EAX :(

Hi Phil. Thank you for the feedback on the thermal pad. I remember when you started using them, it was a long time ago. Can you tell me where you buy them and what brand and model? Also, how many times do you use the same thermal pad before having to change? Final question, do you recommend using thermal pads on long term builds, or just for testing components? In the future, if you can, you could make a video with the comparison between temperatures. Thank you.

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

I bought them Amazon, Innovation Cooling is the brand. They are great for long-term, as they will work consistently and not turn hard and brittle like paste.

@drPeidos

3 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab Thank you Phil :) I hate having to mess with thermal paste.

I love the thermal pads for 3 reasons: convenience, performs as good as paste, and also it poops on those who take thermal paste application religiously.

@armorgeddon

3 жыл бұрын

Which brand makes good ones though?

@ PhilsComputerLab Great video as always. Do you have the link to those thermal pads plz ?

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

I use this one and it comes in 30x30 and 40x40 size: www.amazon.com.au/Innovation-Cooling-Graphite-Thermal-Pad/dp/B07CK9SHZG

@Reziac

3 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab For those of us in America, just peel the .au out of the link and it still works.

I love seeing these old games tested. With big fancy games coming out these days, a lot of people forget about the old ones. There are so many old games that are still very fun to play. Oh, and if someone wants a gaming pc and can't afford to build one that'll play the latest games, chances are they can afford to build one that'll play last gen games or older. I got into computers again two or three years ago now by seeing how cheaply I could put together a system that could play games, even if they weren't new games. I settled on an i5 2400 system running Windows 7 and I bought a radeon hd 8490 for $13, so total system cost of about $75 and it could play XBOX 360/PS3-era games just fine. That machine really inspired me to build more systems that were pretty low-end. I found it entertaining to see just how cheaply I could build a machine that would still do what I wanted it to do.

@SummonerArthur

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed, ive just beaten quake iii and i havent had so much fun on a shooting game since... Idk LOL

Great, thanks for the video! I would love to see this running modern games like fortnite, I'm sure it's capable in some level.

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

Check the review of this board, and yea, there are fast CPUs with more than 6 Cores which are excellent for gaming.

@SUCRA

3 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab Cool! I didn't realize you had already done it. Thanks!

I’m genuinely curious, how are you so confident holding the CPU by the pads?

Probabily the GTX 960 is overpriced for the XP compatibility but, in those older games, its a beast! Anyway someone in the comments already asked you about why you disable the cores in XP. Can you make a video about how XP perform with 2 and 4 cores ( or even more cores. Maybe with and without HT ) ? Thank you in advance :) P.S. After your video about the GTX 285 i searched one for a good price. A few days ago i bought one! Cant wait to test it

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

Yea maybe I can look at that. I've always gone with a dual core for XP builds.

Thank you so much for this video 👍🏻👌🏻✌🏻

Hey phil, you should try seeing if you can get the windows xp PAE patch installed, should let you use higher amounts of ram for sure, think people have tried up too 64 gb ram, Mentioned it in a comment previously, do backup the drive so you got a point too reverse the pae patch a bit more cleanly. I'd keep it as a quad core though, Nvidia drivers helps a bit with spreading the cpu load so worth keeping it on.

@Reziac

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the reminder. Been going to try that patch myself on the old box. On semi-modern hardware, when XP clogs up it's usually due to running out of RAM, and swapfile is just too slow.

Oh also, why about a dual CPU setup? Lol I have some paired via a 3,1 Mac Pro (had about 4-6 of them) and may be able to get that board or another board running. Been wondering about XP or even 9x...

Need for speed most wanted was the greatest for its time even on GameCube it was decent

Wow, I love the lime green accents on this board!!!

GPU scaling still exists in the nVidia drivers on my Retro Gaming PC using an nVidia card in Windows 10 (it dual boots XP and 10) and while I'm not using the latest drivers as of right now, they were the latest drivers when I installed Win10 a month ago. It's a GTX750Ti using version 456.71 and I can select "Aspect ratio" scaling and "Perform scaling on GPU" on a 19" ASUS 1650x1050 monitor, if I plug the same system into a 23" ASUS 1920x1080 monitor, the GPU scaling option disappears in the drivers but it still works as long as I don't change anything else. Plugging it back into the older 19" and the option reappears. Something you might want to look into as I've heard you say it no longer exists on the latest drivers several times.

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

Yea in Windows 10 it works, but not XP.

I've already managed to get WoA running on my Lumia 950 XL, now I'm considering Windows XP in emulated virtual thingy on top of that WoA ...

Oh, World in Conflict!, that was a game I enjoyed thoroughly

QUE TAL BUENAS........COOL.....RETRO PC.....IT'S THE BEST.....

Windows XP does not have a core limit. Why would you disables cores in XP? XP uses as many cores as you have.

@JohnSmith-xq1pz

3 жыл бұрын

I might be wrong here but I'm positive I read something from Microsoft themselves XP is limited to 4 cores...

@Shagittarius

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnSmith-xq1pz You are mistaken, the only limit XP has is 2 physical processor sockets. It will use as many cores as you have.

@JohnSmith-xq1pz

3 жыл бұрын

@@Shagittarius Google appears to agree. Though the XP wiki page I was reading says Home edition was limited to a single physical processor.

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

I never claimed XP to have a core limit, maybe you misunderstood me :) In the context of XP era games, I see no need for more than 2 cores, that's why I disable them. A highly clocked dual core CPU is all you need. Do you feel some games will perform better with more than 2 cores? I can look into that in future videos...

@Shagittarius

3 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab Thanks for clarifying Phil, I think there were some of us who were mistaken about what you said. I think in the case where you are not overclocking the additional cores, the snappiness of the OS would benefit without hurting gaming framerates, I would be interested to see the results from this same machine under those circumstances but you would know if that would be of interest to the rest of your viewers or not.

I think a GT1060 will be the latest GPU that runs on that platform. I would also enable 4 cores instead, since some games do take more than 2 cores, and for games that only use 2 CPU cores, it's always better to have Windows background tasks (like read/write to RAM/SSD done via a third core, allowing 2 full cores, being fully available for the game). Win XP pro can take up to 32 cores 64 threads; I believe the extension was added with the longhorn (Vista alpha) upgrade. If not, there are ways to overclock the CPU. I'm sure there must be CPUs with higher frequencies. Would be nice to find some old WIndows 98/95 games that include benchmarks (like MDK and MDK2, and more)... You can also increase the FSB a lot easier than on newer boards, like my new Ryzen and Intel boards start erroring once the FSB hits over 101 or 101.5Mhz, but on those old boards you could run the FSB at 133Mhz without having the GPU crash (in some case scenarios), resulting in ~25-30% increase in CPU speed.

Another possibility as to "who is this for" : A "Jack of All Trades" build that can run both XP and modern Windows games adequately. Run a separate video card for each and a Sound Card in the bottom slot and you're good.

@Reziac

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed... I have a couple similar LGA2011 PCs, and I have XP64 through Win10 on removable HDs, plus a couple species of linux. XP64 is notably more stable than Win7.

@ironhead2008

3 жыл бұрын

I'm actually planning something similar with an X58 based build: The specs are a Xeon X-5675 (OC'd of course), Rampage 3 Gene, Sapphire Toxic Edition R9-280X (I suspect it's unofficially supported by the latest XP drivers, it is a HD-7970 just with a quick rebrand), it's still quite adequate for most titles at low to medium settings, 24 GB of G.Skill Ares DDR3-2400 in triple channel (for best OC potential), Sound Blaster X-Fi PCI, and an Asus Wifi card. Plans are to have my game library on a 2 GB Firecuda drive along with my old Windows 10 install from a laptop. XP (maybe 64, maybe 32, haven't decided) will be in a 120 GB OEM Samsung SSD and Linux will be in a 64 GB Rocketfish SSD. PSU is a 650 watt 80+ Gold Seasonic semimodular unit.

@Reziac

3 жыл бұрын

@@ironhead2008 One of the peculiar things I discovered is that while XP64 has a good NVMe driver, and that drive works fine -- Win7 threw up all over the place and refused to have anything to do with it!

@ironhead2008

3 жыл бұрын

@@Reziac weird. It may be due to XP treating everything like a standard platter hdd (bad for longevity because no trim) and windows 7 having baked in support for SSDs, but not having any awareness of anything else. It could also be a BIOS to OS interface issue.

@Reziac

3 жыл бұрын

@@ironhead2008 Modern SSDs normally do their own trim now. The problem was the driver itself. XP64 said okay, Storport patch, driver, hardware, instantly worked. Win7 vomited back the driver (tho it's supposed to be for Win7) and spit up BSOD error messages I've never seen before, then went into automated recovery all by itself. After a couple reboots it was back to working, but I don't think we'll try that again...

I'm curious, did you ever try Windows XP x64? I used it back in the days when I wanted to break the 4GB ram barrier and the utilities that allowed me to override the refresh rates for my CRT display did not work under Vista. It worked surprisingly well, as far as I remember.

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

I have used it once, and apart from Far Cry 64 Bit, I saw no benefit really.

Seems to work well for Windows XP, but I think Windows Vista Ultimate may be more ideal for that PC for retro.

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

We can do a Vista build next :D

@sburton015

3 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab I remember those days of using Vista in 2007 and 2008 and sitting back and watching people making fun of Windows Vista about how it ran while I didn't have much problems with it myself. :))

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

@@sburton015 Vista will get some love soon :D

@sburton015

3 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab that's good, by following the instructions of another youtuber Michael MJD, I was actually able to get Windows 10 that I have on a laptop to look and feel like Windows Vista even with the sidebar gadgets. To me what would really be retro is using Windows 95 in 2020.

Dang! I wonder if you could use a Dual LGA 2011 board like a Huananzhi Dual board. You could possibly build the fastest Windows XP machine of all time! 16 cores and 32 threads, 8 cores per CPU. Even better, I think there’s some 10 cores out there. I have an old Xeon that I used for my first LGA2011 build just as a test CPU to ensure that board works. That is a quad core without hyper threading, might get a low cost LGA2011 board and make a WinXP machine!

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

Yea it should work just fine :)

Hi Phil: I see you use the Snappy Driver Installer software. Do you like it? What does it cost? Caveats? Give us your thoughts, please?

@armorgeddon

3 жыл бұрын

AFAIK it's an community project released under an open source license. I'm pretty sure donations are welcome though to cover server costs etc..

I would like a video comparing the gtx960 to the 270, 270x or 7870. Too, maybe you could compare the intel platforms to the AMD 945, 955, 1055t, or 1090t. Even the amd fx line can run XP. I would like to see, if it is feasible, the task manager on a second screen to confirm you use and need only 2 cores instead of 4 or 6 on the Intel and AMD platforms in XP. Comparison of multithreading and without multithreading could be nice. When using the HDMI output in XP on a TV, does the sounds works or is problematic form game to game? On a 1080p TV or monitor, what resolution do you recommend? Great channel.

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

I tend to use analogue sound card, but AFIAK the 960 has HDMI audio.

Hold shift after selecting a building in supreme commander to place multiple in a build queue. Saved me a lot of time and makes the game experience much better 😁

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! It shows that I don't really play games anymore LOL

"Another Retro Era" "Windows 7" I wouldn't call it retro, more like, not shit?

Nice tutorial for a windows xp gaming pc. Some weeks ago I bought a GTX 960 2 GB for about 40 USD for a similar gaming performance under windows xp. But Im using my good old AMD Phenom II X6 overclocked to 3,8 GHz. The benchmark results are nearly the same like at your system. But I had problems in the beginning with the ssd ahci driver, while installing windows xp. Im using the cpu on a Gigabyte 990FX Mainboard. That system is also running windows 10 on a different ssd very well.

I know XP doesn't use cores like win 10 would, but have you tested 2011 with 4 cores vs 2 and with hyperthreading on and off? Would it make a difference at all in power usage or productivity in xp? would it make it better or choppy... and so on and so on

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

Yea could be something worth looking at!

@Matbombardier6985

3 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab I have a AMD 4 core and a gtx 960 4gb in my XP rig and for me, I wouldn't gain any boost from using only 2 cores... so for core for core I would figure it would only use what it needs... but for somthing like what you used would it even do anything more then save power?.. if that

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

@@Matbombardier6985 Something to look into 🙂

I have an I7-3820 (almost same as this xeon), LGA2011 socket. I never thought I could use Xp on it but I'll give it a go to have fun. I installed 32gb of 1600mhz ddr3 and the quad channel gives a nice boost.

Hey Phil will Xp work with I7 2600 or not and did you made a video to learn how to use easy to boot program?

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

It will work with an i7 2600 system!

Silky Smooth XP Compatibility

Hey Phil, I was watching your Xeon E5-1650 V2 video at 4.1Ghz. I have one too, and mine at 4.1Ghz is over 120w of power. In your test I saw that it was between 75w to 100w. Did you change anything in the BIOS? My motherboard is Huananzhi Deluxe.

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

I usually quote idle and load figures. Just make sure you compare the right ones!

@k41nn

3 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab In games I saw 75w ~ 100w in your test.

Hey Phil, You mentioned that nVidia has removed support for GPU Scaling (SLI) from their drivers for XP? Is that true for all their video cards? I have a pair of GTX 780TI's I wanted to use in an SLI Configuration. I am now wondering if they would still work for SLI Thanks

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

SLI should work, but yea, after a certain driver version, they removed features. I don't know the exact driver version however.

Hey Phil I have been eyeballing some of those Motherboards lately, which one do you recommend?

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

There are heaps of options, this Plex HD is good, but the HUANANZHI branded ones are regarded as the best ones.

@dhgodzilla1

3 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab I will take note of that thx for the advice

@lucasrem

3 жыл бұрын

why you need old cheap crap? running what?

@dhgodzilla1

3 жыл бұрын

@@lucasrem Why do you care? I like your mom too & she is old but guuud

I may be weird but I'd like to see the LGA 2011 running Linux Distros focus on reviving old pc hardware. Distros like MX Linux, PsychOS and Linux Lite, specifically. Just a thought... From an admitted weirdo.

@lucasrem

3 жыл бұрын

Why you need Unix, what is it you run on Unix?

@SummonerArthur

3 жыл бұрын

Idk... These kinda arent old enought to actually *need* a linux install *IMHO*

@kieferrush6818

3 жыл бұрын

@@SummonerArthur I agree that this isn't old enough to NEED linux but IMO, it has enough older legacy hardware to make for a fun linux experiment. Not be confused woth the YT channel of the same name.

@kieferrush6818

3 жыл бұрын

@@lucasrem Not that it NEEDS Unix. Someone familiar with Unix or with what remains of the Unix "bloodline" in Linux could probably have some fun, though.

@SummonerArthur

3 жыл бұрын

@@kieferrush6818 oh, got it. Then it would make a nice experimental machine then.

We don't need 960 for XP, do we? Thanks man for the opinion as to MW. Here is so nice place because it is free to say what we like to. I even do not enjoy to play NFS underground. I do enjoy NFS HP 2 nowadays! Post script: I do like MW now. I saw a video recommending the game as his best nfs games. Plus I found an interesting fact that GTX 950 is GTX 750 Maxwell 2.0. The GTX 750 was planned to receive Maxwell 2.0 treatment in producing procedure and then only reference card not as normal distribution to the consumers. It became totally different name GTX 950.l read an article from Reddit.

@lucasrem

3 жыл бұрын

Who you call we here?

@airmicrobe

3 жыл бұрын

@@lucasrem agro?

Hey Phil! can you include Age of Empires III while benchmarking games for Windows XP next time? It can become quite demanding when there are a lot buildings and stuff. Age of Mythology is just the same, try to get the Titans pack if you ever plan to get Age of Mythology.

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

Firstly it's not available on GOG, but once it comes to that platform, yea for sure!

Does the Display port output change anything about the limitation of the color and aspect ratio Phil?

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

No it doesn't work regardless of DVI, HDMI or DP.

@armorgeddon

3 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab What, I thought it's just an issue by default with Nvidia cards, but fixable via a simple setting. So are you saying it's not fixable?

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

@@armorgeddon Use an older card with older drivers. Or use Radeon.

@SolSeal

3 жыл бұрын

What about VGA trough dual-link DVI?

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

@@SolSeal HDMI will be limited RGB, all other ports normal RGB. But no GPU scaling options at all. Just use a Radeon if that really is something that affects you. It has all these options.

Have you ever showcased your old crts? Like to see some 1600x1200 CRT goodies 😎

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

I only have one CRT and it's a very very basic model. It can't do 1600x1200 even.

@joshmiller7870

3 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab wow I thought you might of had a few! I used to have a KDS 19 inch that was 1600x1200! Do you have any recommendations for things to look for in a newer style monitors that would be great for Retro Games?

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshmiller7870 There are a few basics. TN panels are the fastest, least motion blur. VA have the best blacks, but are slowest and especially slow with dark colours, they can smear badly, I don't recommend. IPS has best colours, poor blacks, but good (not as good as TN) speed. I've always been happy with TN, despite the colours not being so accurate, so a high refresh rate TN panel would get my pick, IPS next, VA last.

@joshmiller7870

3 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab Thanks for the pointers! I enjoy your video production quality and style.

I was thinking of g3258 oc with a gtx 960 for a xp build.

you have to enable all cores and HT for OC to work on this board

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

Hmm I did try this actually, even did a CMOS clear. Not sure why it didn't want to corporate.

@lucasrem

3 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab x79G, that's a cloned chipset i guess, Intel 6000

My main PC still has i5 and GTX 970, 24GB DDR3, SB Audigy 2 ZS with Dual boot between Windows 10 and Windows XP both work great. No need to update

@lucasrem

3 жыл бұрын

your main wife is on iPad?

watching this on an e3-1260l dont turn your nose up to these old xeons just yet.

when you revisit the overclocking bug try the CPU with all hands and legs... whould ne nice to see the diffrence with HP on/off and with 6 vs 2 cores.

@Reziac

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed, I had the same question. I've found XP performs much better on a 2.6GHz quad core than it does on a 3.2GHz dual core... not only generally faster but clogs up the CPU far less often .. on otherwise -identical PCs.

where u bought dat test bench? got link?

Most wanted is one of the best racing games of all time. But as for the frame rate, it seems to get stuck at 101-103 fps whether on intel hd graphics on a laptop or on an i7 7700k with any graphics settings. It also feels choppy. Just lock it to 60 and it feels smoother. Unfortunate because underground 2 and nfs Carbon both run at high refresh rates.

I have access to a gtx 970 or 2 gtx 770 in SLI. What would be be better for a Win Xp build?

@ShinobiDiabolik

3 жыл бұрын

SLI is pontless. Most games go well above 200 fps if their most difficult moments as it is. only game with FPS limits stay under 200, to their limitations. SLI means you introduce latency and microstuttering, because both GPU's need to constantly communicate who is doing what and why. If you are looking for true real time response where every millisecond counts, then unlock the CPU and Install one GPU but the most powerful supported by the desired OS and With drivers for the desired os.

Just something I noticed - you mentioned using a FreeSync or G-Sync monitor to smooth out the framerate variations in some games. I believe both technologies were introduced in 2015, and to my knowledge neither AMD nor NVIDIA released drivers for Windows XP that are compatible with either technology. If someone knows how to get either FreeSync or G-Sync working on Windows XP though, I'd be interested to know more. From what I can tell, AMD stopped providing Windows XP drivers in 2014 for the three GPUs that support both FreeSync and Windows XP - the HD 7790, and the R7 260 and 260X. On the NVIDIA side, I'm pretty sure G-Sync required at least Windows 7 or above, despite driver 368.81 being compatible with a plethora of hardware that would otherwise support G-Sync on a newer version of Windows.

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I should have explained that a bit better. Use a frame limiter instead of v-sync. So lock in 140 Hz with a frame limitter, and because the machine is so powerful, it will run at 140 FPS locked, giving you consistent frame pacing and better input lag. Having said that, v-sync at 144 Hz is also very nice.

Have you tried the relatively new PAE patches to use more than 4GB RAM in 32 bit windows XP? Really unnecessary and possibly stupid and unstable, but should be fun if nothing else :)

@virtualtools_3021

3 жыл бұрын

I ran them just for lols on a 12gb 3570k, it worked except for 3dmark 2000 refused to run, no other problems though

i´d like to run this benchmark on my 3070 that should arrive tomorrow...

@lucasrem

3 жыл бұрын

GTX 3070 on some lower level 10 year old system, why you need that??

@MultiWirth

3 жыл бұрын

@@lucasrem Who said i´m running a 10 year old setup lol. Ryzen 9 3900X, 24GB DDR4, tons of storage including nvme ssd and currently a gtx 1070. Isn´t this worth upgrading??

Looks like the system was total overkill for XP gaming, but hey a lot of x79 parts can be found for very reasonable prices so why not? I will say that these chinese motherboards have sketchy overclocking ability at best, and that earlier brand name motherboards for that platform are expensive on the used market. However, even without overclocking a Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge CPU Xeons can be found for very cheap and offer much performance for value.

Ngl I'd love if the Chinese made some slightly more advanced motherboards allowing for over locking purposes. Heck. Maybe I wil look into designing and maybe manufacturing my own motherboards that have components allowing over locking

*Laughs in Windows XP x64 Professional*

you ever consider getting a 4x1gb kit of ddr3? instead of just using a full 16gb kit? or is just using a 16gb kit easier?

@lol123406

3 жыл бұрын

also, what's the difference between standard SDI and SDI Origin? and why'd you switch?

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

It's what I have lying around :)

Why we are seeing the video backwards for some time? The computer is being disassemble instead of being assembled?

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

Yea I take it apart and film that :)

I kinda wonder how it'd look with GTX 780ti. Given that it is XP compatible and quite a bit more powerful than the 960.

@janwitkowsky8787

3 жыл бұрын

Or GTX Titan or Titan Black for that matter.

Hi Phil. I was looking at Daniel_K's website and saw the link that says I need to buy a $30 software package from Creative in order to activate the X-Fi SoundBlaster. Looking at the Creative page, the software does not support XP. Any ideas??

@robf228

3 жыл бұрын

BTW, I am probably going to try to duplicate the installation in this video. You've tempted me with this board before.

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

No the Daniel K drivers are free.

I watched this video on Windows XP :D of course at 480p with some drop frames, using an outdated Google Chrome, on a 19 inch 1280x1024 LCD monitor.

Any reason to go with xp 32bit over xp 64bit when you have 16gigs of ram? I remember using xp 64 for a few years and I'm sure it was ok?

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

The machine ends up with 3 GB of super high bandwidth memory. The games are 32 Bit, so can only address 2 GB anyway. For gaming, really there is no point in going with XP 64.

@nrg753

3 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab Ah yup so just use what you have on hand as it doesn't matter for gaming 👍

I use a Sapphire Radeon HD 6850 for my Windows XP Retro pc. It is one of the best video card

@JohnSmith-xq1pz

3 жыл бұрын

That's the card in my retro gaming pc though it's running 7 with XP VM

You might be able to overlock the CPU using the Intel XTU software

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

I had success with this software under Windows 10, but haven't tried with XP.

when will you review the orpheus I isa sound card?

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

It was offered, but I was really busy at the time and it's a complex product, I knew it needed time to be fully reviewed with all the features. I also knew there would be developments and findings from the community early on. Well and now it has already been reviewed well :D

How do these fair in modern gameing and would the registered memory be a hindrence

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

I've done videos about modern gaming, the value is pretty good, but you don't get top end performance.

What is the smallest, power efficient machine that can run Windows XP and 7 silky smooth while getting high frame rate for retro gaming?

@virtualtools_3021

3 жыл бұрын

itx Ivy Bridge with a 750 ti is a good shot, 960 if you need more fps in the 7 games

G'day Phil, I have always wanted an EVGA PC, so after looking at parts I decided to do a Retro XP EVGA Build, I have now got i5-2500K/i7-2700K, EVGA Z68SLI Micro, 2x 2GB@1333 TeamGroup Elite, EVGA GTX780Ti SC with EK waterblock, it cost me about $250AUD all up, I also got an EVGA 400W PSU when buying some other used parts but the PC easily gets over 300W, so will look for 500-600W later, so far the CPU/MB/RAM combo has been on my test bench testing other GPUs I have bought to upgrade PC for other people, but hope to get a Retro looking case to build it into 'MEGA XP PC' soon, but will probably wait till next year when Case prices get back to 'normal'

1600x1200? Why not 1024x768? Wasn't 1600x1200 a much higher end resolution or are you assuming a 1080p display with a 4:3 aspect/in a window? I know for me I'd use a CRT or a 4:3 LCD for a build like this since they are free/cheap even around the world lol

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

1600x1200 to have something more challenging for the the graphics card. If you like that resolution, get a 1920x1200 monitor :)

I'm curious as to why you didn't use an i7 variant considering the faster single core ?

@Reziac

3 жыл бұрын

I have two of these LGA2011 myself: an i7-4820K and an E1620v2. Benchmarks are almost identical (the Xeon is a teeny bit faster).

@Trick-Framed

3 жыл бұрын

@@Reziac In single core?

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

I don't have one, just Xeon.

@Trick-Framed

3 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab understandable. You need a x79 i7 methinks

@Reziac

3 жыл бұрын

@@Trick-Framed For both single and multi, per CPU-Z (I don't bother with the gaming-based benchmarks, CPU-Z is close enough for me). Had not expected 'em to be so nearly identical.

Have you moved? There's a bit of echo in the audio. Not complaining, just saying that I noticed :P

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

Nope, same room :)

Personally I think that it's way too overkill for WinXP gaming, as I personally have a Xeon X3230/4GB/HD 4890 Crossfire as retro-PC and I have Win7 on it. :D

I don't think disabling cores and HT is a good idea. You lose usable CPU cache if you do that, and XP would have handled the CPU just fine even with all cores active

@philscomputerlab

3 жыл бұрын

Might be something to benchmark in the future, see if there is a difference :)

@matthewday7565

3 жыл бұрын

All cores, perhaps, but pretty sure the scheduler in XP doesn't understand the the difference between HT threads and cores

@monotoneone

3 жыл бұрын

The cache is actually shared between all cores (and the GPU) so you wont loose performance. Some games do utilize two cores so having more for windows background tasks might help a bit.

980 absolutely works on XP with hacked drivers and the hack is a simple edit of .inf file. I have one in my retro XP system.

@pfernando27

3 жыл бұрын

I have a 780ti paired with an amd 8350 on my "retro pc", I also have a 980ti but honestly with steam not working anymore on windows xp, and not being able to download a lot of the newer dx9 games with drm or steamworks, I don't see a point in using anything more powerful.

@nosirrahx

3 жыл бұрын

@@pfernando27 A maximum performance retro XP system makes a decent Windows 7 system. You cam cover quite a huge range of games and functionality with a system like this.

@pfernando27

3 жыл бұрын

@@nosirrahx yeah but my retro pc is right next to my current pc, R7 2700x with 2080ti I snagged for 400$ from a panic seller. I mostly hesitate to dual boot on any retro pc bc I actually want to use the windows xp os, browsing the internet or watching media on it or using whatever old software I can still use.

@Reziac

3 жыл бұрын

@@pfernando27 I stopped dual booting a long time ago. Nowadays I use a removable drive bay (I like iStarUSA units) and a stack of cheap used HDs.

@virtualtools_3021

3 жыл бұрын

@@nosirrahx hell a 980 + a fast 6 core xeon makes a decent MODERN system, let alone a 7 or xp one XD

I bought a 2620 V3 and was planning to order the mobo after receiving the processor and now AliExpress got banned in my region and there is no x99 for reasonable price so help me dude

@virtualtools_3021

3 жыл бұрын

a lot of the boards are popping up on ebay, give that a try if Alli is banned

Why didn’t you use the windows XP 64-bit you would’ve been able to get more ram out of it