GN is KING there is no comparison. I owned a 84 Hurst Olds for 3 years and when I bought my GN in 87 I never looked back. Proud owner for 36 years

@brianrobinson1259

4 ай бұрын

My brother has an ‘86 WH1 T-Type with low miles that has every option. We added reversible speed and drag racing parts to it so they can be reversible back to stock. It runs low 11’s and is a blast to drive. It’s his baby and he’ll never sell it. They only made 463 of them. I’ve been looking for a decent project turbo Regal’86 and ‘87 only for awhile. He’s had his since the late 90’s and I should’ve bought one right then when they were fairly cheap. Best G Body ever made period!

@nowherefastgarage

3 ай бұрын

Is his the designer series with the 2 tone black/gray? I think those are my most favorite turbo Buick ever.

@brianrobinson1259

3 ай бұрын

@@nowherefastgarage yea sir!

@dbx1233

Ай бұрын

I bought a new '84 Hurst/Olds in 1984, I was 23 and it was my first "new" car. I loved that car. I installed a 140hp nitrous kit and in '84 it was respectable. But in '87 when Grand Nationals were putting out their highest H.P. rating, (excluding GNX's) I wanted that car more than anything. I never did own one, but those were bad mama jammas.

@nowherefastgarage

Ай бұрын

@@dbx1233 that’s so awesome that you put nitrous on the hurst olds!! I love it!

The appeal of a muscle car is in the performance and hp. Thats the problem I had with all the other G bodies, including the very nice Monte Carlo SS, they just didn't have the power to back it up and match the GN and other Turbo Buicks.

The GN obviously had a major advantage under the hood but sent mixed signals on the interior especially the dash which should have been redesigned for full gauges as it finally was for the GNX version. As for the Olds your 1986 could have the older non roller HO 307 or the newer swirl port roller lifter version which lost 10 HP and was noticeably slower on the 0-60 and 1/4 mile runs compared to the earlier Hurst HO 307 from 1983/84. The swirl port motors did get better mileage so 13 is on the low side and you should easily be able to exceed 20 on the highway. If your 442 is barely any different feeling than a regular 140 HP 307 Cutlass then your car is out of tune. Two tricks with any 307 I have ever owned or driven is to check the base timing with the 4-way connector at the distributer disconnected and verify your base timing as more often than not it is set well under the factory 20 degrees. The second is to make sure your secondary's are actually fully opening. If you do indeed have the swirl port motor then 9 second 0-60 times will be the norm which is still about 1.5 seconds quicker than a 140 HP vin "Y 307 which used much lamer 2.56 rear gears. If you have the older 180 HP engine you should be seeing 8 second or less 0-60 times with everything in proper order

@nowherefastgarage

4 ай бұрын

That's good info, thanks. I have since sold the car, but I did verify the base timing was at 20 degrees. As for the secondaries opening, I'm not sure but I tried 2 different quadrates and there was no major difference.

@seanburdelik5216

Ай бұрын

A car needs to run 0-60 in at least 5.5 seconds to even consider discussing the 0-60 . The 80s 442 were cars that ran 0-60 in about 7.0 seconds so really those cars are not even worthy of discussing the 0-60 times .

Both legends but that GN is on a class of it's own. Would love to own one just like yours someday.

The Holy grail would be to have a GNX as it was modified and had some upgrades.The Grand National did have an optional digital speedometer package.There was also an optional automatic climate control package too.There was an optional Concert Sound system with speakers in the doors also.

The Buick looks very mean and powerful.

Beautiful fun cars thanks for sharing this video.

The only comparison is that they are both GM G-bodies. Other than that, it’s all Grand National. 👍🏻✌🏻

Great video my friend! You are really upping the game on your channel

@nowherefastgarage

8 ай бұрын

Thanks Frank!

I love them all but the OLDSMOBILE is the sweetest !!!

No my 1978 buick sport coupe Was nothing exciting to drive..but now with a turned up ls 6.0 in it ....grandpa feels young again

Beautiful cars!

@nowherefastgarage

8 ай бұрын

Thank you!

All it took back then was to change the gearing in the rear to make it really fast for the time. Great comparison

Wrong information on the 82 GN. 16 of the 215 produced were in fact turbocharged.

My Dad has a Cutlass Supreme with the T-tops.

I love both of these cars and the GN was a beast! But I think the GN's gauge cluster (or lack thereof) is so ridiculous. It deserved better. I also think the GN's two-tone seats are kind of tacky, but I also think the color of the 442's interior is tacky. Overall, I think the 442's interior is nicer. I was never a huge fan of the gold trim on the 442 either. I know most people people prefer the GN and that's understandable. It was/is iconic! But my mom always drove a Cutlass and I got my license in her '86. It had the 307/3-speed, which could barely get out of it's own way...but the 4-barrel sounded awesome when you floored it. It's hard to believe these cars are pushing 40 years old!

@nowherefastgarage

Ай бұрын

A lot of people prefer the looks of the 442 over the GN, which is understandable. But driving them is just such a contrast.

I bought mine in 2019 a 74k mile t top grandnational. i kept it stock for about 1 year then the moding began. Im not running e85 like you but im running 93 with razor alcohol injection. I don't track mine so alcohol injection is okay. My car is doing about 500hp and 600tq. I have had scat packs and mustangs challenge me and its not even close unless its the hellcat or GT 500. Also i noticed when the temperature drops to low 50s to 40 degrees you get a lot more power. One thing i have come to the conclusion about 1st generation modern electric controlled muscle cars is stock isn't gonna be possible if you want to drive them and enjoy them. If its gonna sit stock is fine. One of the advantages of 70s and back is the analog parts of everything. You can keep a 69 charger stock because of the simple design. After i bought my GN i got bit by the turbo bug. It led my to the GMC typhoon. i bought it a few months after my grandnational came back from being modified. If you're not familiar with syclone/typhoon issues there are forms on the problems. The issue i have found is the ignition system. I have bought about 20 Ignition control modules. The failure of the module was common on normal GM vehicles the turbo heat exacerbates that problem. I'm in the process of getting a complete rewire and aftermarket ecu to control my typhoon. The motor and transmission has been rebuilt with better parts but they are stock bore and camshaft. The old analog distributor will be replaced with a holley dual sync distributor. This distributor functions similar to points but gives off a vibration resistant signal I will have a digital dash with analog tac delete. I see the issues the grandnational and typhoon are having and i laugh that people think the modern muscle cars will be as collectible as the past cars. The quality of these cars and all the electronics would be a nightmare in the future. The grandnational and typhoon are bare minimum electronic controlled vehicles.

@nowherefastgarage

8 ай бұрын

That's a good point about the electronics. Once they become obsolete these modern cars will be a nightmare I think. What kind of mods did you do the the GN to get that power? They only major change I made was the turbo which is a 59 mm and it ran mid 12's quarter mile but that was many years ago. I have no idea if it's better or worse now. E85 can be a pain because of limited availability. I have thought about changing back to 93 gas.

@jdgreen214

8 ай бұрын

@@nowherefastgarage Turbo tweak chip, hotwire fuel pump kit, TE 60 Turbo, 3inch down pipe, 2.5 pypes exhaust, My builder did a port of heads to make it close to similar to the 89 Turbo trans am heads. My car is 11.5 quater mile. My builder is Steve V out of Virginia if you KZread search Steve V James Green you will see the progress of my car over time. He told me it's the turbo and the kind of tourqe converter and turbo combination that makes your power. He is one of the east coast gurus on GNs. TA headers also was done. I spent about 20k in all. Soon as I got it home the power master failed. I ordered the Vacuum booster and pedal from Kirbans. Another 1k for the part and instalation. I see you have the old style scanmaster. I have the scanmaster G.

@seanburdelik5216

Ай бұрын

Your a bullshitter how did it go from you saying it's stock which would be 280hp and then all of a sudden you got 500hp . Do you know how much serious work needs to be done to a car to get a extra 220 HP . Your a bullshitter

Not even close GN all the way

I own a black 86 SS, Rochester NY

id take the buick a little more rare but the style etc i like better than the 442 which ive owned many of incl a 83 hurst olds, and many monte ss owned all years from 83 to 88 except 83 and 87, love the monte ss g body

Your GN is beatiful what do you think it would run at the track buddy.

Sorry i forget you answerd my question on what it ran

I had a white 84 Monte SS and an 87 Firenza GT silver over black w/ red trim (Hurst Olds paint job ) Loved them both ! how do you find the Buick & Olds on octane my SS ran like crap on less than 93 or 94 octane would detonate bad as it was a 9.50/1 compression I was with the difference in the SS suspension over a regular Monte ... I ran 235s up front w/ 255s on rear on the factory steel rallys .... It loved a winding road I like to have all 3 😀

@nowherefastgarage

7 ай бұрын

The Olds is good on 87. Buick has to have 93. However I’m strictly on E85 with it now. That’s even higher octane.

@user-kg4eb7nl5b

7 ай бұрын

LOL ..todays kids have no idea , the before the SS my 76 Cutlass S W/ a well over 400HP 455 would try to break loose the 295/50s at 70 MPH , selling that car after I built it is my biggest regret :(@@nowherefastgarage

There is no comparison GN makes a 442 look like it ain't even moving

I worked at an olds dealer in the 80s, my job was to inspect the new cars and do any repairs that were needed, that 1st hurst olds we got ran really good, sounded great, would bark the tires on a shift and had lots of power, even had a lope at idle the next year 442 just ran like a v8 cutlass nice car but not fast, and did not sound the same, I think that is why each dealer only got 1 car in 1983, they made a factory hotrod so it was probably going to attract attention, glad they did it anyhow it was like driving my old 69 gto

@nowherefastgarage

7 ай бұрын

I thought I read something about Oldsmobile changed the heads around 84? The newer heads had really small intake ports. I wonder if that's why the later ones seem worse.

@OldsmobileSBRocket

5 ай бұрын

​@@nowherefastgarage They changed the heads to the tiny swirl port heads and roller cam with lower compression. They kept the cast iron manifolds since the tubular stainless manifolds flowed so poorly.

@ponchoman49

4 ай бұрын

Olds changed the heads over to swirl port on all 1985 vin "Y" 307's and a year later with the HO 307 as used in the Hurst and 442's. Power dropped by 10 HP as a result.

@jimsix9929

4 ай бұрын

yes the 1985 307 Y engine was a dog, we checked compression on one in a toronado, it was advertized at 8 to 1 or 8.2 to one but really it was 7.8 to one, half of the intake port was blocked off, milling the heads 40 thousands and some port work with a die grinder would make a big difference, I did at least 20 back in the 80s, it added about 20 hp and also 20% better mpg@@nowherefastgarage

That's not bad at all and with you having more done since then you might be. But for a street car running low 12s that's a respectful time on the street. If you got a front mount inter cooler or even the Alky set up either one would put you in the 11s no problam.

I would also prefer your Grand National over the Hurst. I bought a new Hurst in '84 and from the factory it came with air shocks. The valve to add or bleed air pressure was next to the gas cap behind the rear License plate. Does your 442 also come with that feature? I ask because I think your 442, mechanically speaking, is a twin to the '83 & '84 Hurst. They also had a 373 rear end gear, all they need is a little more H.P.

@nowherefastgarage

Ай бұрын

Yes, it had the air shocks with the valve by the license plate!

@dbx1233

Ай бұрын

@@nowherefastgarage Thanks for the reply and for a good comparison video.

What do you think your GRANDNATIONAL would run in a quarter mile. I owned a 87 GN and a 87 white TType back in the day wish I never sold my white TType I bought it with only 20.000 miles it was mint.

@nowherefastgarage

7 ай бұрын

Well the last time I was at the track about 6-7 years ago it ran 12.40 at about 109. I've done a few things since, so maybe slightly better. I would love to hit 11's but there are no tracks anywhere near where I live. It's a real bummer.

Thank you for information on E 85. But how does it make your car run faster like people say. Everybody's always saying run E-85 you'll see the differance, I don't know I just don't understand I would think racing gas would be better like that stuff 110 octane.

@nowherefastgarage

2 ай бұрын

I haven’t tried it on a naturally aspirated engine. But with the turbo I can run way more boost, and it has a cooling effect to basically eliminate detonation. Definitely makes more power!

@nowherefastgarage

2 ай бұрын

And it’s way way cheaper and easier to find (in my area) than racing gas.

Love the Gns intercooler there’s no comparison the Buick is the highest in the G body food chain but I would love to have the G body collection that u have the only cars that’s missing is the 2+2 Grand Prix areocoupe and the ss monte

@nowherefastgarage

2 ай бұрын

I have had a few Monte Ss, great cars. Never had a GP. One day…

Gm introduce the turbo regal in 1976 I owned one but it was called the grand sport

The Chevy 305 and the Olds 307 really had different personalities. I drove many of them when they were new in the early to mid-80s and the Chevys seemed to have a lot more grunt, despite the power numbers being virtually identical. For some reason, the 307 just did not spool up as quickly as the 305 and did not seem as willing. Comparison was with both engines using the Rochester quadrajet carburetor.

@nowherefastgarage

8 ай бұрын

I agree 100%. I have an 84 Z28 305 HO and it's night and day compared to the Olds 307, and they both have 3.73 axle ratio.

@AlexanderCrump

8 ай бұрын

@@nowherefastgarage The Chevy just ran better. You could dig deep into the throttle and it would give back. Best friend had an '83 loaded Monte Carlo and it started and ran smooth as silk. Other friend had an '83 Cutlass and the 307 did not seem as smooth. This was in the mid-'80s so these cars were still pretty new. I do think the 307 was quieter under full throttle than the 305 (and certainly the Ford 302 which was raucous by comparison).

@jimsix9929

7 ай бұрын

the 307 olds in the 80s had very low compression, I worked at an olds dealer in the 80s, had a real cool guy with a 1984 toronado with an intake leak, it was under warranty, he asked if there was some way to get more power from it, I said yes but the heads had to come off, so he agreed to pay for the extra work, I measured the actual compression ratio, it was 7.8 to 1 so I sent the heads out got them milled 60 thousand and did some minor port work on them, it ran real good it would smoke the front tires, most 305 chevy engines I have checked had the correct compression , about 8.2 to 1

GN

I think the sound if the turbo 6 is nice enough, 6 cylinders dont usually sound as deep and rumbly as a Turbo 6 does. But if u want to make it sound better, u csn buy onebof those electric exhaust cut out valves where u can have stock exhaust sound or, by holding down the toggle switch, u can get varying degrees of rumble. From stock, near silent to open exhaust by bypassing the muffler. They're well made, don't cost a fortune and can be installed easily. And the switch can be located under the ash tray door with custom switch plates that they make that fit perfectly under the ash tray cover.

What is E85 is it a special racing gas.

@christopherconard2831

2 ай бұрын

15% gasoline (processed dinosaur)/85% ethanol, usually from corn. It is becoming more common in America as more vehicles are adapted to use it. Because of ethanol subsidies it is usually cheaper than regular gasoline, but many cars get poorer milage. It's main selling point is that it is supposed to be better for the environment.

There really is no comparison.....

No disrespect my friend but there is no comparison when it came to performance.

@nowherefastgarage

2 ай бұрын

Agreed!

Yeah the GN killed them all. Olds gave up after 83. The horrible crossover exhaust and 8 to 8.5 to 1 compression killed it. People gain a second in the 1/4 just with dual exhaust. Not even with headers.

I did the samw for my buick. I think they came with 4x10s in the back because thats what woukd fit the package tray in back. But the 6x9 brackets u cn buy work great and the 6x9s are way better than 4x10s. They sound great

Now these cars get the lt4s ls or any kind of engine and transmissions u want so there's really none better than the other g-bodys out 😂😂efi throttle body's etc....also any posi trac set up too suspension upgrades brake conversion and so on....

@nowherefastgarage

4 ай бұрын

Now doubt they are a great platform. That’s what I wanted to do to the cutlass but I don’t have the time or good workspace.

it's simple - take ANY Cutlass - add a fancy paint job & you have a 442 (yawn)

@nowherefastgarage

6 ай бұрын

Pretty much. It's really not much more than a Cutlass Salon with some different paint and stickers. The 8.5" 10 bolt rear is a nice bonus too.

Buick was fastest, but it is an uglier, old man's car. Oldsmobile's always looked better than those granpa buicks! The millenial ceo really screwed up when he took Obama's advice and shut down olds instead of buick! Case in point: Look at that buick in the garage. it's a big ole boat like an old mans car

@AlexanderCrump

8 ай бұрын

I think a lot of the decision to keep Buick around was based on how popular the brand is in China. Buick and Olds had very similar demographics with Olds being more sporty (which made the Grand National such a head scratcher). I've loved both Buicks and Oldses - they had distinct personalities and styling cues during the '80s.

@budsodalsky

8 ай бұрын

@@AlexanderCrump Oh great, Chinese dictate. I Love it when 'Merica asks china for how to do something!

@AlexanderCrump

8 ай бұрын

@@budsodalsky Not sure if that was the reason. It's only thing I can think of. I don't have the sales volume numbers to compare Buick and Olds during that period.

@nowherefastgarage

8 ай бұрын

I have heard the same. They were selling more Buicks in China so it was one of the main reasons to keep it.

@budsodalsky

8 ай бұрын

@@nowherefastgarageIm glad the not smart ceo took china's needs into account.

That is one sweet down pipe you put on that GN

Nice rides! Whatcha got under the car cover? Looks nice!

@nowherefastgarage

7 ай бұрын

Thanks! That’s my 84 Z28 Camaro.

No i disagree the only car you can put next to that back in the 80s was the Corvette other than that everything was just not worth the gas you spent on stepping on it.

@lonniejenkins5008

4 ай бұрын

Corvette didn't have nothing on the GN! 👑