One thing about these drums.A wide open sound wow Ken.Plus RARE

@KenLoomer

7 жыл бұрын

I love the wide open sound I can get out of these Ludwig BR drums. Very clear sound and that bass drum has that big round full tone to it. I have yet to see another person have one of these drums, plus Ludwig did not made too many of these BR sets. Thanks for your comment.

Beautiful Kit.🥁😎🥁.

@KenLoomer

7 ай бұрын

The best part is that I get to play this beautiful Ludwig drum set with my Big Band. Here is a video you can check out kzread.info/dash/bejne/qnV4qbF7kbLUpKQ.html Thanks for your comment.

Ted God bless you keeping his memory and life alive i only saw him once ar age 9 under a tent in lambertville in 1969 met him on the way out breifly i was akready taking drum lessons in philly i still have my rodgers pink champagne sparkle jr set 20 " bass drum i play all paste cymbols like bonham his daughter cathy is really wonderful in keeping his music alive as well. God bless her and you for keeping him alive thru the music. Take care . Kevin mario morrello

@KenLoomer

23 күн бұрын

So wonderful Kevin you got to see and hear Buddy Rich live back in 1969. I still honor Buddy by playing his great music with my Big Band. Thanks so much for your comment.

This is great! Thank you for the tour!

@KenLoomer

4 жыл бұрын

Ludwig made some great drums and this is a favorite of mine.I have lots of video`s of me using these drums with my Ken Loomer Big Band.I have never seen anyone else play this BR Ludwig set.Not to many were made.Glad you enjoyed the video Brian.

Thanks Ken for sharing this highly valuable information about the Master.

You rock Ken! I love kit tour videos especially when they're on Buddy's kits. He definatly seemed to have known what he liked and wanted out of a set. This seems like a very comfortable great kit. Thanks again Ken your #1 fan Ryan from Canada EH!

@KenLoomer

7 жыл бұрын

Yes this is a very comfortable set to play on. I have a few video`s already posted of me playing on this BR Ludwig kit with my Ken Loomer Big Band. I love the big open sound on these drums and of course the way they look. Great to have a young man like yourself into the history of these vintage drums. The drums are now 37 years old and they have a sound you can`t get today. Thanks for your comment Ryan.

Wonderful, this kit kills, and once again you displayed your magic.

@KenLoomer

6 жыл бұрын

This is a rare 1980 Ludwig Buddy Rich drumset and I wanted to do the history behind these drums. Of course i have used these drums with my Ken Loomer Big Band many times and they sound great with the type of music I`m doing with me band.Thanks for your comment.

SWEET KIT! Thanks for sharing!!!

@KenLoomer

3 ай бұрын

The best part about this 1980 Ludwig drum set is that I get to use it with my Ken Loomer Big Band. Here is one video you can check out kzread.info/dash/bejne/qnV4qbF7kbLUpKQ.html Thanks for watching.

Stunning set, Ken. Very nicely done. Congratulations!

@KenLoomer

6 жыл бұрын

Not too many of these Ludwig Buddy Rich sets were made back in 1980. I still use this set for my Big Band and other gigs that I have done. I have posted some video`s of me using these drums with my Ken Loomer Big Band.Thanks Mike for enjoying this video.

@michaelandcolinspop

6 жыл бұрын

KenLoomer Thanks for the reply, Ken. I’m just a weekend warrior and I play a Pearl, but I’ve also got a 1961 Slingerland jazz kit that came with a 5x14 Radio King. The kit is currently in rebuild status to fix some covering damage and update some hardware, but I use the Radio King religiously. It’s a beautiful drum that I get a ton of compliments on and the sound is priceless. I love these old kits, that’s for sure. I remember finding my brother’s 1976 Slingerland and Ludwig catalogs and reading them cover-to-cover. I think my favorite was the Ludwig Octa-Plus Vistalite in Red-Amber-Yellow. Man, those were beautiful.

Ken cymbal sizes .i knew he had two 18s. I live in Dunedin I had to work at the Hospital the night Buddy played at the high school.i tried so hard to get the night off. I was Resp Therapist for over 45 yrs.Broke my heart not being able to go. I did meet him at the Clearwater Jazz Fest.Great guy to me.

@KenLoomer

Жыл бұрын

On this 1980 Buddy Rich Ludwig drum set I`m using all A Zildjian cymbals. The ride is a 21 inch, two 18 inch crash cymbals, 8 inch splash, 22 inch swish knocker, and 14 inch New Beat hi-hats. Of course I saw Buddy Rich in concert at Dunedin High School on January14, 1980. When I saw Buddy with those Ludwig drums at this concert, I decided to buy one that year. You see those drums I bought in this video. Then Buddy played in St. Petersburg on the 17th. I recorded both concerts and they are on KZread. Plus I talked to Buddy at both concerts and he was always so nice to me. You can see the pictures I took from those two concerts in this video kzread.info/dash/bejne/dIin0NB6ZtHSps4.html I was at that Clearwater Jazz Holiday in 1982 also. No way did I ever think that one day I would be doing that Clearwater Jazz Festival with my Big Band.

Thanks a lot Ken

Very nice! It looks like the finish has held up well, no yellowing that I can see.

Beautiful kit. Loved that period of Buddy.

@KenLoomer

4 ай бұрын

I`m sure glad I bought those Ludwig BR drums back in 1980. I saw Buddy play those Ludwig drums live so many times from 79 to 82.

@stevenobrien595

4 ай бұрын

@@KenLoomer So enjoying your channel and passion. I was so fortunate to study and become friends with Joe Morello back in the 90s-00s in NJ. What great buddy stories he would share of his friendship with him. Priceless and grateful for the time I spent with him. Steven from NY

@KenLoomer

4 ай бұрын

@@stevenobrien595 That is so wonderful you got to know and study drums with the great Joe Morello. He for sure inspired me to be a jazz drummer, and I learned so much from him. I have a 1969 Ludwig drum set just like what Joe Morello played. Here is the video kzread.info/dash/bejne/kaxmrc6YpLKWdpc.html You can see a Joe Morello poster behind me. I would of liked for sure to hear those stories Joe Morello told you. Thanks so much for your comment Steven.

@stevenobrien595

4 ай бұрын

Definitely we will talk! Best to you Ken. Steve

Beautiful kit Ken!

@KenLoomer

3 жыл бұрын

Not to many of these Ludwig Buddy Rich drum sets were made.I have used this set many times with my Big Band and they sound great.Thanks for your comment Timothy.

This video made me appreciate checkerboard flooring even more!

@KenLoomer

6 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked the tile flooring I put in my drum room. The classic BR Ludwig drums on them is much better than the flooring I think.

Nice set up !

@KenLoomer

Жыл бұрын

I use these drums a at times with my Ken Loomer Big Band. Some of the best drums Ludwig ever made. Plus it`s a rare kit in this BR model that Ludwig made. Thanks Ron for your comment.

I had a 1970 Slingerland Buddy Rich set. It was black walnut, and I've never seen one like it since (or before). 24" bass drum with double spurs, double cymbal stands, and the ball-joint tom holder. This Ludwig set looks like a memorial, like no one ever beat the crap out of them. I will say I used the Ludwig Speed King pedals. They were the best, with nothing like them today.

@KenLoomer

6 жыл бұрын

Wonderful you had a Slingerland model 80N Buddy Rich set in that rare Black Walnut finish. I use this Ludwig BR drumset many times with my Ken Loomer Big Band. Since I take super care of these drums,they still look new. You can check out some of the concert video`s I have posted of me playing on these drums with my Big Band. I agree with you about the Ludwig Speed King pedal. It was the first pro pedal I ever bought and it still works great for me.

Ken: TREMENDOUS !! you are a treasure to the drum world. The passion, knowledge, as a drummer, you outplay 99.9 % of today's so-called "elite". and I mean that. Everytime I hear someone say how great so and so is, oh really ? These Slingerland and Ludwig videos you have are INVALUABLE. What about Rogers ? No Rogers Celebrity set ?

@KenLoomer

7 жыл бұрын

Very important to me to know about the history of these great American drum companies and the artist who used them. So glad Ludwig is still with us and making some excellent drums now. When the Ludwig family owned the company, they made some of the best drums of all time. I`m just a local drummer down here in Florida who made a good living playing shows and concerts with my Big Band,Quartet, and doing what it takes to be an active drummer. I know a lot of drummers don`t want to do the work of forming a band, hiring musicians and booking jobs,but this is what it takes to play jazz now. I first saw Buddy Rich back in 1969 and he was playing Slingerland drums.Then I saw him many times in 1980 and he was using this model of Ludwig drums. Never did see Buddy using Rogers drums. So I loved the Slingerland and Ludwig BR model drums since I saw Buddy use these drums. Then Buddy went back to using Slingerland Radio King drums after Ludwig,and I saw him play those drums many times. I made these video`s for guys like you who really enjoy the history of these great drums. I don`t have these drums just to look at them,but I as know from my video`s,I use them on my Big Band concerts. These drums are meant to be played on,and I do my best playing on these classic drums. Thanks so much for your postive comment.

Ken you have to be the luckiest man on earth😍😍😍😍 you own drum sets almost every drummer can only dream of having!!!! If you ever feel like you're hogging all these great kits you can always send one to me I'll take care of it for yoy lol!!!

@nsmith996

7 жыл бұрын

*you

@KenLoomer

7 жыл бұрын

One thing about these vintage drums that I own is that I use them on my gigs. I have posted some concerts with my Ken Loomer Big Band using these BR Ludwig drums. You are on my list of drummers who want this set. Thanks for your comment.

I remember getting that catalogue .( which I still have) I have never been able to find that kit for sale. damn you Ken !! ha ha

@KenLoomer

7 жыл бұрын

Glad you still have that Ludwig 1980 catalog Bob. Ludwig use to make excellent drum catalogs. The good news Bob is Ludwig has reissued for 2017 the Buddy Rich drumset in honor of his 100th birday. So maybe that kit might be on sale.

@stevevye6101

3 жыл бұрын

Bob, I know where there is one for sale

At that time, Ludwig was behind the times in hardware design, still offering a rail mount tom holder, instead of the Atlas mount at the time.

i still want this kit i use to drool looking at that catalog when it came out

@drummerchef851

7 жыл бұрын

I bought my supersensitive in 1980 because of that catalog. Sorry I sold it.

@KenLoomer

7 жыл бұрын

The good news is Ludwig has reissued this Buddy Rich kit in honor of his 100th year anniversary of his birth. It`s not the same,but close to what Buddy played.

@bobbydtv1

7 жыл бұрын

TO much for m, but i wish , i remember 1976 catalog the little hand book one was awesome too , boy they had some real sweet kits back then .

@KenLoomer

7 жыл бұрын

Ludwig one of the great drum companies of all time. I have a Joe Morello Classic Ludwig kit from 1969 I will be showing soon. I like the Ludwig drums from this time period very much.

@drummerchef851

7 жыл бұрын

I have a 1965 bop kit that is 1 month younger than me, love that kit, silver sparkle just like Morello's. I also had a 1966 superphonic snare that I unfortunately sold though. Can't wait to see that 1969 kit.

Hi Ken thanks for the video. I have a late 70's Buddy kit identical to the cataloge here in the UK. It was my original drum teachers kit from then and it has come into my possession now. I have a 1978 Ludwig Black butty supper sensitive snare I have had from 1982 with it. The kit has been well gigged but is still in good shape. I was considering getting it re rapped but I am scared to. I have over the last few years managed to get a complete set of the original hardware. The throne is also with the kit.

@KenLoomer

2 жыл бұрын

That is wonderful that you have a Ludwig Buddy Rich drumset like in the 1980 Ludwig catalog. So you have the 16x24 inch bass drum with the rail mount? Only time Buddy played that size Ludwig bass drum with the rail mount was on the Muppet Show which he did in London back in 1980. Excellent you have the matching drum throne. You have a rare Buddy Rich Ludwig drum set, so enjoy playing on it.Thanks Paul for your comment.

Hi Ken. RE: the pearl finish: Because of the lighting, I cannot tell if your set has the "real" White Marine Pearl finish. During that time, Ludwig's White Marine Pearl finish had a blue hue to it, which gave it the "marine" distinction. Today, 2017, no drum maker offers that pearl finish, but the wrap appears to be still available from JamminSam.

You re B.R drum collection is incredible. Would like to fine one.

@KenLoomer

6 жыл бұрын

To find an orginal 1980 Buddy Rich Ludwig drum set like mine is very rare.I have never seen one for sale.But the good news Paul is Ludwig did make a 100th birthday tribute set you can buy at Steve Maxwell Vintage drums. It even has the canister throne for that tribute Ludwig set. Go check out the video Steve Maxwell posted of those drums he has for sale on his KZread channel. Thanks for your comment Paul.

@paulpalmer5

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for getting back. You were very lucky to have had a relationship Buddy. I will check out s. Maxwell. Happy drumming.

Ludwig recently reintroduce the Speed King as the L-203. Improvements were made in the footboard and cam bearings so that recognizable squeak is gone.

@KenLoomer

Жыл бұрын

A friend of mine bought that new version of the Ludwig Speed King pedal. For some reason, my Ludwig Speed King pedal never had that squeak. It`s over 40 years old now and works great. I also have the Slingerland version of the Speed King called the Supper-Speed pedal. This version you could adjust the tension of the inside springs with two big knobs on top of the post. Has the same feel as the Ludwig Speed King.

Im us same snare drum Super sensative Alloy is so great!!! js Forever best sands all style Jazz Metal Pop!!! i Love Ludwig .

@KenLoomer

6 жыл бұрын

I agree with you that the Ludwig Super-Sensitive is a great snare drum. Like you said,it can be used from jazz ,rock, to pop music with the right tuning.I like a very crisp and open sound on my snare. I don`t like the dead sound with moon gels or a plastic ring around the head. Ludwig always made great drums and snares.

On the issue of the BR sticks, yes, they were found in the 1981 small book catalogue.

@KenLoomer

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for that info. Never knew why the Ludwig Buddy Rich model sticks were never in the 1980 Ludwig catalog. So it`s in the small Ludwig supplement 1981 catalog. I will have to try to find that catalog. You the best in letting me know!

the tom arm is from the modular model that came out in the 80's, just not the modular mounts

CHECKING YOUR LUDWIG VINTAGE BEAUTIFUL SET KEN.I OWNED A LUDWIG. HAMMERD BRASS MIGHT HAVE BEEN BRONZE SNARE.DRUM WITH A STEEL DIE CAST TOP HOOP LIKE BUDDY PLAYED.I HAVE VIDEOS OF HIM PlAYING THAT PARTICULAR SNARE.MIKE.

Wow, thanks for the tour of your beautiful drums! I saw Buddy for the first time on the Boston Pops tv show around the early 80s. I became an instant fan! He had the similar Ludwig set with the bronze super sensitive. Did he favor the 6.5 or the 5 inch snare. I had a 6.5 black beauty super sensitive I miss dearly! I always enjoy your posts and I'll keep swinging!

@KenLoomer

7 жыл бұрын

Your right about Buddy using the bronze super sensitive on that 1981 Boston Pops concert he did with John Williams. Buddy only played the 5x14 model size and never the 6.5 model super sensitive since he liked the feel of this model better for his playing. Thanks for your comment Jeff and glad to hear your still swinging!

@barberjeff67

7 жыл бұрын

KenLoomer I only mention the 6.5 as I've seen Buddy play one on the Tonight show. It must be because Ludwig would send over whatever they had on hand to the studio for that night's performance.

Hi mister loomer...just a minor correction from a fellow ludwig lover...buddy played the bronze s.s. snare in '82 @ the Montreal jazz fest. Not the concert snare as you eluded to. Great video and love your kit !!

@KenLoomer

6 жыл бұрын

You are correct Robin that Buddy played the bronze super-sensitive snare at the Montreal Jazz Festival in 1982. I meant to say Buddy played that wood Ludwig concert snare at the Monterey Jazz Festival back in 1979. Someone posted that concert on KZread and you can see Buddy playing that wood concert Ludwig snare drum.Only time other than the Muppet show Buddy ever played that snare. I love the history of Ludwig drums like you do and thanks for your comment Robin.

Hello Ken, first of all....thanks a lot for sharing all thoose great videos of your fantastic drumsets . Great !!! My I ask one question: Did the Ludwig Drumset you show in this video originaly come with smooth white drumheads or with "normal" coated drumheads ? ....and what type of drumheads did Buddy use on his (Ludwig) Drumsets ? Do you know if he used smooth white heads on the toms and bass drum or coated heads ? Greetings.....

@KenLoomer

5 жыл бұрын

So glad you enjoy these video`s I have posted of my classic drum sets. These Ludwig BR drums I bought in 1980 came with the Ludwig Groovers heads made by Ludwig which was designed for jazz music.Back then Ludwig made their own drum heads. Buddy Rich used these Ludwig coated Groovers heads with his Ludwig drum set on his toms and snare when he joined Ludwig back in mid 1978 to 82. The bass drum he used the smooth white Ludwig bass heads.I have some old Ludwig drum head ads showing Buddy Rich with these Groovers Ludwig drum heads. Of course when Buddy played his Slingerland Radio King drums,it was all Remo heads.

@Avaloctus

5 жыл бұрын

@@KenLoomer Hello Ken, Thank you very much for your answer. You are really a treasure of knowledge ! ' hope you're doin' fine and your healthy. ' wish you all the best, Ken. Greetings from over the big pond out of Germany...

Hi Ken. Did you special order that "Buddy" tom holder configuration, or did you piece it together from modular parts? Who is selling that mount today (2017)? Thanks

@KenLoomer

6 жыл бұрын

I had the Ludwig dealer call up the factory to order this single tom holder that Buddy Rich used since he never used the rail mount for his Ludwig model set like in the 1980 catalog.Drummers Ed Shaughnessy and Butch Miles also used this same mount at the time.Ludwig never did put this mount in any of their catalogs at that time. No one is selling this mount today.

great vids ken,, did buddy have any deals with rogers as I have seen him play many rogers kits on some tv appearances.

@KenLoomer

7 жыл бұрын

Buddy Rich used Rogers drums from 1960 to March of 1967. Starting in 1966 ,Buddy began to use the Fibes snare drum with his Rogers drums.He also used that Fibes snare at times when Buddy was using Slingerland drums.Rogers designed the Dynasonic snare drum with him in mind. I have a few video`s of me playing on this great Dynasonic snare.

I believe Buddy made the switch back to Ludwig in 1977-78 or so, like you and Rob Cook state. Steve Maxwell says he's got the last Buddy Rich Slingerland Set (circa 1976) that he played. I got to both see, and play this set a bit at Steve's house one afternoon. One unique thing about this set I remember, was Buddy had put a Rogers Swivomatic Tilter on the top of the Splash Cymbal Rod-Arm.

@KenLoomer

Ай бұрын

Buddy Rich switched back to Ludwig in May of 1978. First time Buddy played his new Ludwig drums was on the May 9th Johnny Carson Show. That video is on youtube. Buddy`s last last Slingerland drum set was a 1977 model. You can see that Slingerland set on the Feburary 14th 1978 Merv Griffin show. Steve Maxwell bought Buddy`s last Slingerland set from Harry Cangany who wrote the "The Great American Drums" book. The back cover showed that Buddy Rich 1977 drum set. Buddy starting in 1968 always used a Rogers splash arm without the tilter. I have one of those Rogers splash arm which you can adjust the height, but no tilter to adjust the cymbal angle.

@markd4741

Ай бұрын

@@KenLoomer If the May 9th Johnny Carson show featured Buddy and Ed Shaugnessy in a drum off, then I seen that vid. As for details about Steve's Slingerland BR Set, I might be in err of details of the set, but don't believe so since I seen-played the set in person, and believe I correctly remembered what Steve told me. Otherwise, might be best that I don't speak-comment for Steve on this minor detail about the set. I remember Steve had one of those Dualist Pedals on the BD at the time.

@KenLoomer

Ай бұрын

@@markd4741 The drum battle with Buddy and Ed was on August 11,78. The video of Buddy playing his new Ludwig drums for the first time was on the May 9th show. It was just Buddy playing without the band. My good friend Dick Cully played on that last Slingerland set at Steve Maxwell store. I know all about the history of those drums. The Rogers splash arm is without the tilter. Here is the video of Dick Cully playing those BR 1977 Slingerland drums kzread.info/dash/bejne/npN_w9CmqLmTqso.html When I got my drum lesson from Buddy back in 1977, I must of played on those drums. Check out this video showing me playing those drums and with Buddy in October of 1977 kzread.info/dash/bejne/dIin0NB6ZtHSps4.html

Ken may I ask you were did you get the tape you put on bass drum head protect the wooden beater? Doctor Schools use to product this but now stop to make it.There some place were I can find this tape? Thanks a lot..Roberto Gatto

@KenLoomer

7 жыл бұрын

What I use is the Dr. Scholl`s Moleskin Plus Padding.You can get this online at Amazon or Wal-Mart.

That strainer on the wooden snare was called a P 87. I had one on a 8x14 Ludwig Coliseum snare and hated it. Could you talk a little bit about Buddy's Syndrum?

@KenLoomer

7 жыл бұрын

Your right Gregg about this Ludwig BR concert snare having the P-87 strainer. They made two snare butts for this strainer. The P-34 butt was on this BR snare which is for the individually adjustable snares. The P-32 butt was used for the regular snare wire. The Syndrum was a analog electronic drum synth that came out in 1977. The company gave one to Buddy in January of 1980 to try out. It made a high pitched wave sound used for sound effects on rock tunes. He used it for about four months and then decided not what he needed. One recording he made in March of 1980,the Man From Planet Jazz cd you can hear him playing this Syndrum.Thanks for your comment Gregg.

@KenLoomer

7 жыл бұрын

I learned my finger control from watching Joe Morello and Louie Bellson. Glad you got to meet Louie Bellson.One of the best drummers ever and a super nice person.He sent to me some of his Big Band charts which I have played with my Big Band. I always try to honor Buddy and Louie by playing their music with my Big Band. It alway`s about the music and how to make it sound better.

@KenLoomer

7 жыл бұрын

I would say I do play the Slingerlands the most.Since they don`t make them anymore, I have a drum sound which is now a classic. I still love playing on my Ludwigs. So glad this American drum company is still with us.

@michaelandcolinspop

6 жыл бұрын

@Greg Patterson - The P87 DID suck! I firmly believe that it was a major factor as to why Ludwig marching snares fell so out of favor in the early ‘80s. Slingerland’s TDR, Pearl’s Championship, and Yamaha’s MS814 had the early versions of the modern marching throw-off which absolutely crushed the P87, but Ludwig kept pumping those things out. I taught a high school line back in the day that had Ludwigs, and those strainers, even when new, were almost unusable. I blew my mind that they put them on so many drum kit snares too. The P87 is emblematic of so much that was wrong with Ludwig back in the day. I’m glad to see they’ve gotten their act together over the last 20-25 years.

Really nice kit is very special and you very lucky.did you know something about the cymbal that he used.thanks and congratulations

@KenLoomer

6 жыл бұрын

I always enjoy playing on this rare Buddy Rich 1980 drumset.I have many video`s of me playing on these drums with my Ken Loomer Big Band you can check out. When Buddy Rich was using these Ludwig drums in 1980,he used all A Zildjian cymbals. He used on his left side a 18 inch thin crash,and on his right side a 18 inch medium thin crash. He used a 21 inch heavy ride,a 8 inch thin splash,and 14 inch New Beat Hi-Hat cymbals. Also used a 22 inch swish knocker. These are the cymbals I also use in this video. To hear these drums and cymbals,just go to Part II.

@DIEGO55762

6 жыл бұрын

KenLoomer thanks. you are very kind. The zildgian A series are the same Armand series from sixties ? thanks.

Thank you for this great tour of your drumkit/s. Can you please tell me, how high approx the ride cymbal stays from the floor, or better what's the L rod size/high from the right angle to where the bell rests/sits and I'll do the math myself. Also, the canister throne looks a little above the 24' bass drums, is it possible the throne to be a 26'? Thank You!

@KenLoomer

4 жыл бұрын

The L rod cymbal arm for the ride cymbal is 10 inches high.I had the arm custom made for me for this Ludwig BR set. The canister throne is 24 inches high,which all the Ludwig thrones were made at this height. Thanks for your comment.

@rocketmobile

4 жыл бұрын

@@KenLoomer Thank you for the answer!

I love the look of those diamond plates for the Tom arm. Much nicer looking than the giant pyramid shaped mounts they ended up using. I’d like to put them on a set I’m building but would like to use the Gibraltar Slingerland style arm for better movement. Unfortunately these are an inch and the pearl/Gibraltar style arms are a little smaller. Do you think using a plastic insert sleeve from a Pearl mount would fit in a Ludwig diamond plate to allow a smaller sized tube arm? I love the Modular arm but having a geared filter makes it hard to get the Toms positioned properly. Unless it’s teeth are different from Pearls.

@KenLoomer

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you Ryan that the diamond plates are so much better than those giant thick pyramid plates that Ludwig used later on in the 80`s. The Ludwig plate uses 1 inch tubes,and the Gibralter arm is 7/8th tubing.I don`t think that plastic Pearl insert would work very well.A machine shop might be able to make a metal insert to fit the 7/8th tube for the Ludwig diamond plate.I have no problems with this Ludwig arm to position my small tom.You know best what works for you.

Hello Ken, may I ask what diameter the Ludwig Buddy Rich drumstick model has ? You already mentioned in the video that it's the same size like a typical ( Ludwig?)5A model. Since most of the standard 5A,7A, 2B,.. etc.. models vary from company to company I thought maybe there'd be a possibility to messare the diameter with a caliper rule. The tip looks indeed a bit special. Reminds me of the Zildjian Bill Stewart model and the taper seems to be on the shorter side. Correct me if I'm wrong. If you have by accident a caliper rule by hand I'd be very happy if you'd check out the diamter of the stick. ' hope I don't go like a bull at the gate but if you find a minute, that'd be very nice. I guess may other Buddy Rich freaks/fans would be interested in that, too. ....do you know any drumstick that is currently in production that comes close to the 15A B. Rich stick ? Greetings from over the big pond outa foggy Germany ;-) .( P.S. The tips you gave me regarding the Dynasonic Snare worked out really well and now it sounds and plays awesome, Kent !! Thanks for help regarding this one :-) ! O.K., Ken, ' wish you all the best and I hope you're doin' o.k. . Thanks for sharing all the great videos and knowledge with other people interested in the topics reagrding Big Band drumming and Buddy Rich in generaly. Keep it up, Ken !!!! :-)

@KenLoomer

6 жыл бұрын

I don`t have a caliper rule to measure the diameter of the Buddy Rich Ludwig stick,but it`s the same as the Vic Firth 5A model stick when I compared both sticks. The stick Buddy Rich liked the most was the Slingerland BR model they made for him in the late 60`s and 70`s. The Pro Drum Shop in LA made a copy of this stick for Buddy when he played the Slingerland Radio King drums back again in 1983 to 87. The X Cell Drumstick Company makes a copy of the Slingerland BR sticks call the Bed Rock Classic Series stick. I have a video of my vintage drum stick collection that you can see these sticks. Most important to me is to keep a swinging modern Big Band alive today. Very rare now for a drummer to lead a jazz Big Band. I have posted many video`s of my Big Band doing a tribute to his 100th birthday year for 2017. Thanks for your comment.

@Avaloctus

6 жыл бұрын

@ KenLoomer Wow, thanks alot for the very informative infos on the Buddy Rich drumsticks, Ken. ' didn't think that it is in the 5A region since it looks ( at least to me ) thinner on the video and sometimes, wenn watching Buddy play on videos it even looks like he sometimes plays 2B sticks. Thanks for bringing light to this topic. Regarding your Big Band ... I'm really happy to see you still playing in this constellation that has become very rare in thoose days. Being able to hold a Big Band together and get enough gigs ( and make enough bread for the whole band ) must be very hard I assume. Over here in Europe it must be near to impossible and I don't lnow how guys like Pete Cater make it. Keep it up Ken, I really dig your music and your band ! Greetings....

Did buddy use the 16x24 bass drum at the starker hotel on the buddy up close video?

@KenLoomer

2 жыл бұрын

On the Buddy Rich Up Close video that BR did at the Statler Hilton hotel in NYC, he was using the 14x24 inch Ludwig bass drum.As you can see on that video,the tom mount was not the rail mount like in the Ludwig 1980 catalog. Buddy did use a 16x24 inch Ludwig power bass drum on the Muppet Show with the rail mount.This was because Ludwig sent those drums to England ahead of time and it was the BR Ludwig model drum set like in the 1980 catalog.

I noticed it appears you have some sort of Snare/Tom bumper, I’m assuming to prevent drum rash. What do you use?

@KenLoomer

3 жыл бұрын

You noticed right Ryan.I use felt pads self stick that you can buy at the dollar store or Walmart. I put them on the snare drum hoop and it works great not to mess up my small tom.

@drummerchappell

3 жыл бұрын

@@KenLoomer Oooooh that’s very clever! Doesn’t ruin the snare drum rim either then. Is it like the softer piece that comes in a pack of Velcro? I have a bunch, I use Velcro on all of my pedals and hi hat stands to stick to the floor. Of course I’m always left with the fuzzy pieces so that’s a great use for them! I thought you were using sticky tac or something else. Thanks as always for writing me back, I really appreciate it. Your fan and friend, Ryan from Canada eh.

@KenLoomer

3 жыл бұрын

@@drummerchappell It`s a soft felt that you just stick on the hoop. I use them on all of my snare drums so I don`t mark up the finish on my small tom. Good to hear from you Ryan and thanks for your comment.

Hi Ken. A history question for you: Who owns Buddy’s last drum set; the Radio Kings restored by, and given to him in 1983 by Mr. Joseph MacSweeney?---As you probably know, the drumset was put together, restored, and given to Buddy Rich in 1983 by Mr. Joseph MacSweeney, owner of the Eames Drumshell Company of Saugus, Massachusetts. Thanks.

@KenLoomer

2 жыл бұрын

The Rich family gave the last drum set that Buddy Rich played from 83 to 87 the Slingerland Radio Kings to the Smithsonian Museum in Washington DC.

There is only one thing missing from this set - You forgot to put a towel on the second floor tom like Buddy used to.

@KenLoomer

7 жыл бұрын

You are so correct sir.Needed to put that towel on the 2nd floor tom. As you well know,no one in his Big Band worked harder than Buddy. Always gave 100% to the music and his fans. That is what I learned the most from this amazing artist.

@KenLoomer

5 жыл бұрын

The best place to find Buddy Rich posters is on KZread. Over 60 I saw.Just put in Buddy Rich poster on e-bay search to find them.

@joshuajuaire8757

4 жыл бұрын

Is the 15a from Ludwig 16 inches long

@mathiaszayd9623

3 жыл бұрын

Pro trick : you can watch series on Flixzone. I've been using them for watching lots of of movies lately.

@killiansolomon8434

3 жыл бұрын

@Mathias Zayd definitely, I have been watching on flixzone for months myself =)

I forgot to mention an observation. . Buddy seemed to tape the underside of his ride cymbals frequently. I was reminded of this by your photos of him. I'm assuming it was to control the wash..

@KenLoomer

7 жыл бұрын

Playing with a Big Band,Buddy wanted to make sure you could hear every beat on his ride cymbal over the brass. He started to use a heavy ride cymbal around 1976. Like you said,he did not want a lot of wash on his ride.So he started putting some tape under the ride to stop the extra wash on his ride cymbal. I know some drummers today who use like a K Zildjian ride with a Big Band and all you hear is wash,and no stick definition. Sounds good for a trio,but not for a Big Band.

@barberjeff67

7 жыл бұрын

If you listen to Mr. Drums , live on king street, it sounds like he's using a zildjian rock ride by the sound of it!

@KenLoomer

7 жыл бұрын

Yes Buddy did play the 21 inch Rock ride or as he called it,the heavy ride. You can tell it was the rock ride by the size of the bell on the cymbal. I use this cymbal also with my Big Band,or the ping ride since it will cut through the brass.

How thick are the shells ?.....Do they have re-rings ?..Thanks

@KenLoomer

3 жыл бұрын

These are 6 ply shells which has no rings on them, about 10mm thick.The Ludwig Book by Rob Cook said that these shells were first made in 1976 with maple and poplar wood with a clear coat of lacquer inside the shell.

😅buddy played the Rogers Swervomatic foot pedal for most of his career. Even when he played Slingerland and Ludwig.

@KenLoomer

6 ай бұрын

Staring in 1960 Buddy did like the Rogers Swiv-o-matic as his number one bass drum pedal. On rare times, I saw Buddy play the Ludwig Speed King and Slingerland Tempo King pedal. For me and my foot technique, I like the strap model Slingerland Tempo King pedal. Last time I saw Buddy in 1986, he used that Rogers Swiv-o-matic pedal with his Slingerland Radio King drums.

Does the cymbal mount Affect the way the bass drum sounds

@KenLoomer

4 жыл бұрын

You must of heard Buddy Rich play on the many KZread video and know it will not change the sound of the bass drum having cymbal mounts.Just like having a tom mount will not change the sound at all.What will change the sound of the bass drum is having pillows inside the drum or dead ringer heads.

@joshuajuaire8757

4 жыл бұрын

KenLoomer Very true

Hello Ken. One time you mentioned that Buddy gave you a drum lesson on his drums. Howabout you making a video on the Slingerland set and tell us about that lesson? What did he show you? I'd love to know how a genius thinks about his craft! John

@KenLoomer

6 жыл бұрын

The drum lesson I had with Buddy Rich was at Sea World in Orlando back in 1977. Buddy would do two shows a day at Sea World so I got a chance to talk with Buddy between shows. I have pictures of that meeting and me on his Slingerland drums you can see on my video I did to honor Buddy for his 100th birthday tribute. I play in the same traditional grip as Buddy,but my left hand was no way near as good as my right.So I asked Buddy what to do to make my left hand better and stronger. He told me to show him my grip on the sticks,so I did. As soon as Buddy saw my left hand grip he said"you have no balance with your left hand.You need to move your hand more to the middle of the stick". I would at that time have my left hand more at the end of the stick. Buddy then showed me how he griped the left hand and with the stick being near the middle and said the balance is better that way and you will have better control.Just with his left hand Buddy was showing me his amazing way of playing. He gave the stick back to me me and said now you do it. So I moved my left hand grip more to the middle of the stick and I noticed it felt so much better. Better control and power. The master was right! I have been using this grip and balance point now all my life. You can check out any drum solo video I have posted to see this. One simple lesson from Buddy made me a better player. Of course it was his music and that great Big Band of his that made me a great fan of Buddy. The way Buddy with his drumming would make the music sound so good and bring it up at the highest level possible.That is what I learned the most from him is to do what it takes to make the music feel so good with your drumming. No way back in 1977 I thought I would have my own Big Band playing some of the great music that Buddy played. But with hard work and the will to do it,I now for over 15 years have my own Big Band. I have posted 100`s of concerts of my Ken Loomer Big Band and of course honor Buddy by playing some of his music. Still using the same left hand grip he showed me and playing the music I love all the time.

@mrjohnstgeorge

6 жыл бұрын

I think I understand what you are saying about moving your hand more to the middle. I will experiment with that. When you watch Buddy you would think his hands are toward the 'back' of the sticks, but now I will give a closer examination. Thank you for sharing and congratulations on your efforts of running that big band. Most Sincerely: John St George

@KenLoomer

6 жыл бұрын

A great video George on KZread showing Buddy`s left hand is"Insane Drum Solo Buddy Rich" or "Buddy Rich-Bugle Call Rag". Clearly you can see him holding his left hand stick near the middle. All about the balance of the stick.

@mrjohnstgeorge

6 жыл бұрын

Hello Ken. Yes, I have seen those, but never paid attention to Buddys hand position towards the middle of the stick. This genius simplicity is deceptive. I will study it further. Thanks again! John.

Nice i play Ludwig:)

@KenLoomer

7 жыл бұрын

Ludwig is the most famous American drum company and so many great drummers from all over the world have played Ludwig. Thanks for your comment.

@Geirfuglen1

7 жыл бұрын

U welcome:) i enjoy your videos a lot:)

Ken I thought the kits were 6-ply Maple / Poplar?

@KenLoomer

3 ай бұрын

I checked it out in the Ludwig Book and it`s 3 ply maple, 3 ply poplar for the Ludwig shells back in 1980, so you are correct.

Were Buddy's Ludwig drums Mahogany or Maple series?

@KenLoomer

5 жыл бұрын

The Ludwig Buddy Rich drums made from 1978 to 82 were 6 ply maple shell with no reinforcing rings on them.

Hi Mr. Loomer, what Paiste - Set played Buddy Rich in the combination Ludwig / Paiste? Thanks for the Information and best regards. Roby Misiejuk

@KenLoomer

7 жыл бұрын

Hard to understand what you are asking me Roby, but Buddy Rich never played Paiste Cymbals with his Ludwig drums. He only used Zildjian Cymbals his entire career. When Buddy started using Ludwig drums again his 1980 Ludwig drum set had these cymbals. He was using 14 inch New Beat hi-hat,18 inch thin crash on left side,18 inch medium thin on right side, 8 inch splash, 20 inch heavy ride,and a 22 inch swish knocker. All cymbals were A Zildjians.

@FMisiejuk

7 жыл бұрын

Hi Ken...thanks so much for your answher. My friend J. Ledgerwood was in the seventies and eightys Salesmanager by Paiste. His Info for me: When Buddy played Ludwig drums he using in this time Paiste Cymbals. But now, I think his Info is not corrected. Greetings from Germany

@KenLoomer

7 жыл бұрын

Yes Roby his info was incorrect. Buddy Rich never used Paiste cymbals with his Ludwig drums. I know Buddy would try out maybe a new ride cymbal if someone would give it to him to check it out.But like I said,it was A Zildjians cymbals his entire carreer. One day I want to play in Germany.All my best to you Roby.

@FMisiejuk

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks swishknocker for your Information! After I've sipped so many Videos and recordings of him...dit not think he played such heavy Ride cymbals. This is certainly due to his playing technique.

@KenLoomer

7 жыл бұрын

Buddy told me he liked the heavy ride because it cuts better with his Big Band since he has so much brass which can over power his ride beat if he used a thinner cymbal.

Want to hear a Twilight Zone episode Ken? I once bought a supposed mint 1962 Luddy WMP Set. This was 14x22, 9x13, 16x16, all intact. The seller, some NY weirdo named "D-Pop" was the seller. He shipped 2 drums to me wrapped in filthy Sweatshirts, I got a Rack Tom, and Bass Drum, and miraculously were intact, and drop dead gorgeous condition. He mistakenly shipped the FT to a pro PGA Golfer in Hilton Head, and that dummy hacked off the original Keystone Badge, and placed a Transition Badge on it before I could stop-arrest this total cluster-f&ck. I wanted my money back, which was not cheap, the rat turd told me that even with drums back in his hand, he couldn't refund my money! I wanted to hop a flight, trust me! It finally worked out and I was made whole, but I rather wished I could've had that set, intact. (Oh sure, John Lawton will Rivet some Keystone badge back on, as long as you can stomach the hack job done to the shell. This could've turned out like a WMP "Morello Set", I had a mint 1960 COB 5x14 Supra to go with. That was the first drum I bought from Randy, that snare, the fella I bought the Deems set from

@KenLoomer

Ай бұрын

You never know what you will get from people you don`t know. Always best to see the drums in person. Well at least it turned out good for you on that Ludwig 62 Classic drum set. I have a 1969 Ludwig Classic set in perfect condition. Here is the video kzread.info/dash/bejne/oGt1wbOQZqjYopM.html Do you have any video`s of you playing any of your drums? That 1960 COB Ludwig Supra is very rare and you have it in mint condition. I have never seen one of those snare drums. Thanks Mark for your comment.

@markd4741

Ай бұрын

@@KenLoomer Yeah, it was weird, what I got were the 3 drums, tom, floor tom and bass drum, but the floor tom was a B/O Badge drum and I was like what the heck? The seller mixed up the drums, sent my drum (FT) to the buyer who had intentions of converting that drum to a transition badge. It was too late when I finally received these drums, the other buyer had ripped the keystone badge off the drum.

@markd4741

Ай бұрын

@@KenLoomer I'm sorry Ken that I have no vids of my set, and I tried a little bit to at least upload a picture of it here for you, but couldn't figure such out. Plus it also felt wrong to be placing such into your youtube vids.

@KenLoomer

Ай бұрын

@@markd4741 Maybe one day you can do that video of the Barrett Deems Slingerland set you have and that 62 Ludwig Classic. If you want to send me some pictures, here is my e-mail kenloomer@verizon.net Look forward to seeing those drums.

Sorry Ken.. But did Buddy use a bass drum 14x24 or 16x24??

@KenLoomer

3 жыл бұрын

Buddy Rich during this time with Ludwig only used the 14x24 inch bass drum with his Big Band . Only time he used a 16x24 inch Ludwig bass drum was on the Muppet Show he did. Same drum set as in the 1980 Ludwig catalog with the rail mount. Ludwig sent that drumset to the studio in London,so Buddy played it with the 16x24 inch bass drum.

@fbbigbandfbbigband6143

3 жыл бұрын

@@KenLoomer thank very much Ken!

@fbbigbandfbbigband6143

3 жыл бұрын

Pity that the size 14x24 is impossible to find in the market....

@KenLoomer

3 жыл бұрын

@@fbbigbandfbbigband6143 You are right finding a drum company that makes a 14x24 inch bass drum is hard to get.I have my new Pearl Masters drums do me a 14x24 inch bass drum.Here is a video of me playing those drums kzread.info/dash/bejne/gKNl1JSQXcipYJs.html

Nice kit. I always felt that Buddy's switch to Ludwig was purely a financial move. They simply offered him the most money. Ludwig was always regarded as a "rock" kit -- maybe since it was a fave of the rock bands from the Beatles to Led Zeppelin. Buddy tuned the Ludwigs high and used the Ludwig heads (which almost nobody else used) and the result was a very "tinny" sound. As for the super sensitive snare, it never really did make much sense. The simple string type is actually superior. I do like the single tom holder. (Being a single mounted tom guy myself). It may be because it was Buddy's heyday but I always felt he sounded best when using a Rogers kit. (Even though he was associated throughout most of his band leader days with Slingerland -- which the Ludwigs based their design).

@KenLoomer

Жыл бұрын

Not to many of these Ludwig Buddy Rich drum sets were made. Buddy also played Ludwig drums back in the 50`s and he knew Bill Ludwig very well. When Ludwig sold their drum company to Selmer, they did not want to renew his contract, so Buddy went to a 40`s Slingerland Radio King set for the rest of his career. Since I saw Buddy so many times playing Slingerland drums, and I thought those drums sounded great. Listen to that live Mercy Mercy album he did and those Slingerland drums sounded amazing for a live recording. Thanks so much for your comment.

@NelsonMontana1234

Жыл бұрын

@@KenLoomer Yes, the drum sound on Mercy Mercy is great. I also think Keep The Customer Satisfied has a great drum sound. But I maintain, "Swinging New Big Band" might be his best recorded drum sound and he's using Rogers on that one. Incidentally, all three of those albums are recorded live.

@KenLoomer

Жыл бұрын

@@NelsonMontana1234 Most important is Buddy knew what kind of sound he wanted out of his drums. I saw Buddy Rich live from 1969 to 1986. So I never heard Buddy live playing his Rogers drums. It was mostly the Slingerland drums and then starting in 1978 he played the Ludwig BR model drums. Then I saw him with the Slingerland Radio King drums. Hearing Buddy live and at times only a few feet away from him I notice how great his drums sound with his tuning. Always that big open sound and just driving the Big Band with his amazing drumming. I made a video showing the many pictures I took of Buddy from when I saw him from 69 to 86. Here is the link kzread.info/dash/bejne/dIin0NB6ZtHSps4.html The reason why I have my own Big Band for the last 20 years is because I loved the music he played so much. I have used both this Ludwig drum set and my Slingerland drums with my Big Band. I have lots of video`s that I posted of my Big Band uses these drum sets. Thanks for your comment.

Wow they don't make um like that anymore

@KenLoomer

5 ай бұрын

These BR Ludwig drums made in the original Chicago factory. Plus that type of Marine Pearl Ludwig no longer uses. It a classic!

@jarrettwalck3409

5 ай бұрын

The ludwig family. Amazing story

@KenLoomer

5 ай бұрын

@@jarrettwalck3409 I have the book "The Making Of A Drum Company" by William F. Ludwig which is excellent about the Ludwig family. A must read for all Ludwig drum fans about the history of this great American drum company.

Is that an electronic drum on that Buddy Rich pic?

@KenLoomer

2 ай бұрын

Only for a few months did Buddy Rich play a syndrum electronic drum back in 1980. He tried it, and decided he did not like it, so it was gone.

@jasonpp1973

2 ай бұрын

@@KenLoomer That Syndrum most likely cost more than his acoustic kit, early electronic drums had quite the price tag. Not much of a elec drums fan, but Bill Bruford played them well.

@KenLoomer

2 ай бұрын

@@jasonpp1973If you have a Ludwig 1980 Buddy Rich drum set which is rare, it is worth so much more than that Syndrum electronic drum. It just made sound effects sounds when Buddy hit it. By the way, are you a drummer?

@jasonpp1973

2 ай бұрын

@@KenLoomer Used to be, just for fun. Learned a few of the rudiments. Mostly used match, only used trad for brush playing. I enjoy pretty much all genres of music.

@KenLoomer

2 ай бұрын

@@jasonpp1973 Nothing wrong with playing the drums for fun. I play the piano for fun and enjoy doing it. But I`m a drummer Big Band leader, also have my jazz quartet which I play in all the time. Thanks for watching my video`s.

Ken, who do you regard as the "second best" drummer , after Buddy Rich.

@KenLoomer

7 жыл бұрын

I would say it would be Joe Morello. He had great feel for the music he played and always had a great sound to his drums. Very dynamic player who had excellent technique and was so exciting to hear play. Always made the music sound better because of his playing.

@roybeckerman9253

7 жыл бұрын

+KenLoomer Thanks Ken, that's a big wrap, considering all the past greats.. Wasn't Joe a Ludwig user mainly, until his DWs late in his career.

@KenLoomer

7 жыл бұрын

Joe Morello used Ludwig drums for most of his career. I have a Ludwig 1969 Classic drumset just like the one Morello used. I will have to do a video on this excellent drumset soon.

the 82' mont jazz fest he is clearly playing the bronze

@KenLoomer

9 ай бұрын

You are correct that Buddy Rich played the Ludwig Bronze Super-Sensitive snare drum at the 1982 Montreal Jazz Festival.

@user-uq3zz8zc5r

9 ай бұрын

do you think Buddy played on those style of sticks live, or did he just have those to give away whenever he felt like it? @@KenLoomer

@user-uq3zz8zc5r

9 ай бұрын

also do you ever sell any of your goodies?

@KenLoomer

9 ай бұрын

@@user-uq3zz8zc5r Yes BR did use the Ludwig BR 15A drumsticks during this time he played Ludwig drums. Since I saw him in person and did I see him use the Ludwig 15A model drumsticks.

@KenLoomer

9 ай бұрын

@@user-uq3zz8zc5r I have sold some of my snare drums and cymbals. I`m still a full time working Big Band leader so I still use my Ludwig and Slingerland drum sets at my concerts. Lots of video`s I have posted of me using those drums.

Hello Ken, IM THINK ING ABOUT YOUR DRUMS AND ESPECIALLY HARDWARE. ARE YOU SELLING ANY OF YOUR DRUMS JUST A THOUGHT IVE BEEN CHECKING DW GRETCH LUDWIG I CANT REALLY GO TO JUST YOU TUBE. I COULD CALL YOU LONG DISTANCE. YOU SEEM TO BE ALWAYS PLAYING.Michael Roth

@KenLoomer

7 жыл бұрын

As of now I`m not selling any of my drums since I use them all the time and of course you can`t buy what I own . So many excellent drum companies to buy new gear from today. If you want to ask me something,you can e-mail me at this address kenloomer@verizon.net All my best to you Michael.

@mike28890

7 жыл бұрын

M Roth --- I've got a vintage 1968 Blue Sparkle Set that I bought new back in the day. It's in great shape, complete with all hardware, and Avedis Zildjian cymbals. If interested contact - gldwingldr@aol.com

I know where one of these sets is for sale. Shame its not in the best shape. It looks like it needs rewrapping due to shrinkage.

@KenLoomer

3 жыл бұрын

Nothing wrong with fixing up one of these rare Ludwig Buddy Rich drum sets.It all depends if you want it. I just restored a 1938 Gene Krupa Slingerland Radio King snare drum to new condition. Here is the video I posted of that snare drum https:kzread.info/dash/bejne/YqWXw9yugJa2cbA.html

how strange not to want to renew buddy's endorsement.

@KenLoomer

7 жыл бұрын

When the Ludwig family owned the company,they wanted the best drummers like Buddy Rich,Joe Morello and many more to be Ludwig endorsers. But when Selmer bought them out in 1981, William F Ludwig the 3rd was told to just have one endorser and that drummer would be the one on the Lawrence Welk Show because Selmer had a horn deal with the orchestra. This info from the Ludwig Book by Rob Cook. Of course Selmer almost ruin the Ludwig Drum company. The Conn company did ruin the Slingerland drum company.When the Slingerland family had it,it was the best and largest drum company at the time. So glad Ludwig made a come back and is still with us now.

@sticksbass

7 жыл бұрын

incredible... howd conn ruin slingerland?

@KenLoomer

7 жыл бұрын

If you want to know the full story,read the great book by Rob Cook"The Slingerland Book" for all the details. It was just very bad mangement by the Conn people when they took over Slingerland. This almost happened to Ludwig when Selmer took over. But at least Ludwig has made a comeback and it making good drums again.

I think Animal won that drum battle, just made a fool of him.

@KenLoomer

5 жыл бұрын

Animal must of thought he lost the drum battle because he got so mad that he put his bass drum over Buddy`s head.

@jackfrey47

5 жыл бұрын

That's the way I end all my solos.

I hated the Ludwig hardware from this period.

@KenLoomer

5 жыл бұрын

I thought the Hercules hardware for being big was not that bad since it was very light in weight being the tubular kind. The top of the line Ludwig hardware today is still big ,but very heavy. Of course today the drummer has the best choice of what kind of drum hardware will best meet their needs.

@dancalabrese3523

5 жыл бұрын

Ken as an example I had Rogers Swivomatic stands years before I had Ludwig Hercules hardware when I purchased my first Ludwig kit in "77. The Hercules stands were so inferior in design and build quality to the Rogers hardware that I was really shocked. Not only did those plastic handles break but raising and lowering the stands was next to impossible. While I always felt that Rogers at their best built better quality and sounding drums than Ludwig I realize that is just my opinion, but it's difficult to argue about the hardware. Even Ringo and a number of other players were using Rogers Swivomatic hardware on their Ludwig drums. I am playing a set of Rogers Drums from around 1970 with their hardware from the same period and considering that they are approaching 50 years old it is amazing how well they would stand up to today's lighter weight hardware. You can't say that about the Ludwig hardware from the past.

@KenLoomer

5 жыл бұрын

I agree with you Dan about Rogers drums.They were a great drum company that made excellent drums and hardware. I have posted my video`s of me talking about the Rogers Dynasonic snare drum which was the best. I have the Roger Swivo-o-matic foot pedal which was just an amazing pedal. I always like the Slingerland Set-o-Matic tom holder which worked great for me for a single tom arm. So far my 38 year old Hercules Hardware has been great for me.As you can see in this video,they still look new and I have never had any problems with the plastic T-handle breaking or it going up and down. I know Ludwig got rid of the plastic parts which was a good idea. It should of been all metal parts, so I must of been lucky none of them have broken. Wonderful you are still playing that great 70`s Rogers drums.They are great! I still have my 1970 Slingerland set which I have posted many times on KZread.

Those plastic handles were crap and prone to breaking.

@KenLoomer

Жыл бұрын

You are correct about the big plastic handles Ludwig used at this time period. These stands and drums are over 40 years old now and so far I have been lucky no plastic handles have been broken.