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@garyco766

Ай бұрын

This year Jokic is: 1st in Box +/- 1st in offensive box +/- 1st in defensive box +/- 1st in Value over Replacement Player 1st in PER 1st in Win Shares 1st in Win Shares/48 minutes 1st in Offensive Win Shares 2nt in Defensive Win shares (next to Rudy, who didn't make your MVP ballot) Basically that's every advanced stat that matters. And Jokic is THE player on the best/most feared team in basketball. Without him, they collapse. How is that not MVP? Seriously man.

@Zemlja_je_ravna

26 күн бұрын

Jokic +-18.9 this shouldn't even be a debate

Nick will never get over the fact that Brou has a vote but he doesn't 😂 😂

@PurpleMonkeyDishwasher88

Ай бұрын

If Nick had a vote, he will try his best to sneak Lebron in some of the categories. lol

@EuroGupper

Ай бұрын

Nick is biased

@YouReallyDontKnow

Ай бұрын

@@EuroGupperso is every other media voter, he just happens to have more attention around his opinions.

@YouReallyDontKnow

Ай бұрын

@@PurpleMonkeyDishwasher88at this stage of lebrons career? He definitely wouldn’t. Nick is a lebron fan, but even he realizes now that lebron is on the tail end of his career there’s just no possible way he can be in the arguments for things like MVP and DPOY when there’s just so many young stars in the league. 2018 and younger lebron? He’d definitely be voting lebron first for everything lol

@silvergold2140

Ай бұрын

Thank God He Does Not

Big respect to Brou for explaining why this Luka year was so impressive with all the injuries that Dallas had, Luka or Jokic not going to be mad if either of them wins it. They gave the MVP to Embiid last year(Because he begged for it on national media) and it should have gone to Joker. That is why Jokic had a head start for MVP and he was amazing again this season ...

@jjalkman1999

Ай бұрын

Jokic should win but Luka wouldn't be nearly as bad as Embiid was (who almost made up for it this year by actually playing MVP caliber before the injury).

@MoDeTricKs

Ай бұрын

@@jjalkman1999 Embiid definitely one of the top 5 scariest players in the league this year, And would be top 5 MVP candidate for sure. His play-making out the double team needs to be tested and overcome these playoffs for him to be up there with The Don and Joker.

@happyGuru5766

Ай бұрын

Honestly I'm mad Embiid winning MVP last year but this if he actually play more game and not get injured I vote for him MVP.

@enterprise9001

Ай бұрын

Luka isn’t going to win it and he might not even come in second

@dawsnoshift4286

Ай бұрын

Stop the revisionist history

Good job Broussard, as usual

@WindowLicker_-9

Ай бұрын

As usual? The guy gave Embiid MVP because he didn't want Jokic to 3-peat... Brou disregards logic and reason the moment he doesn't like someone

@penkima4923

Ай бұрын

@@WindowLicker_-9 Embiid deserved the award.

@LeRicckk

Ай бұрын

Fr, i agree with all of his picks

@WindowLicker_-9

Ай бұрын

@penkima4923 no he didn't. Jokic had by far the better stats. Not to mention Jokic is the overwhelming favourite until Perk and his rxcist comments made voters scared of being called out

@penkima4923

Ай бұрын

@@WindowLicker_-9 Their stats were nearly equal. But Embiid is the better defender.

The first dude keeps saying Luka’s late season surge. The dude average 34/9/10 the whole season. Had 73 points in a game back in January. What are you talking about late season surge?

Most assists in a season by a center: 708 - Jokic this season 702 - Wilt Chamberlain 678 - Jokic last season Joker just recorded the most assists ever by a center over a 2 season span.

@shibity

29 күн бұрын

Jokic is great. One of those guys who deserves to be top 3 MVP candidate every year.

@TeeeWal

29 күн бұрын

And Luka still finished with 1st in points and 2nd in assists, along with having 52.6 rpa per game… so what does this help with Jokic lol

@antonquirgst2812

29 күн бұрын

@@TeeeWal I totally want Luka to win it too, although advanced metrics would overall prefer Jokic, (as he surely has better defense as well due to sheer size)... still I do hope Luka wins it after this montrosity (in a good way) of a season even by his very high standards!

@Redline-jm5cd

28 күн бұрын

Give it to Luka magic! Eos

@ReAIex17

27 күн бұрын

@@antonquirgst2812 I like both players but its between Luka winning his first and Jokic winning his third, and they normally vote for the guy that didnt get it yet

Thanks for not spoiling in the title! Too many shows do this.

@codyb.3015

29 күн бұрын

This show has done it regularly, so hopefully this means they won't anymore.

Brou is probably the most logical analyst on TV. He obviously watches games and votes for the most deserving candidate

@Kruppt808

29 күн бұрын

Idk that Westbrook pity vote the other year😂😂😂😂 Nah but you are 1000% correct, he doesn't do the "hot take" stuff, at least not purposely. He has been consistent these last 10-15 years I've seen him on TV on what he says, values year to year.

@rancehamilton4683

29 күн бұрын

@@Kruppt808 I hope there is some kind of voter reform for next season. SAS leaving a 50 win player who’s averaging 34,9,10 out of his top 5 was maybe the wildest take I’ve ever heard. Then went on to talk about SGA leading the league in assist 😂. It’s obvious his vote has nothing to actually do with basketball.

Luka getting his respect !!

Fair play to Brou, the real analyst. He mentioned the stats, and the injuries, absolutely the most transparent NBA analyst as of today!

Luka is my MVP

@AndYouAre

Ай бұрын

Definitely the best season this year. Jokic to me barely gets the nod based on advanced analytics.

@exzicution

Ай бұрын

I’m with you but the nba media sucks

@terryhoward8119

Ай бұрын

Nah, joker is the mvp

@stefasaurus2476

Ай бұрын

Good thing you don’t vote

@abe-love

Ай бұрын

@@stefasaurus2476so

Chris Broussard will go down on the right side of history

Chris "He's bouncy" Broussard

“I got Wemby number one, Joe Berry number 2…….”

Jokic gets his team better shots than anyone else on any other team, especially in crunch time. Whether it is a dunk for Gordon, a post move from Jokic, or an open 3 for MPJ or KCP, Jokic gets them better shots. That's why he's so good and the Nuggets win close games.

FINALLY! Luka is being recognized.

stats on teammates consistency was perfect to understand luka's season

Chris Broussard knows ball. He’s the only one in media who actually deserve to have a vote.

@tayche1

Ай бұрын

He should take rob parkers and have 2

@NikolaIvanovic-pu7hg

Ай бұрын

His reasoning when it comes to MVP is so wrong. Jokic was the MVP as a 6th seed playing WITHOUT Jamal Murray and Michael Porter. That is why he was the MVP in the first place. If Jamal was healthy and Denver was 6th Jokic wouldn't win the MVP. But now because Jokic was the MVP as a 6th seed we will give the MVP to the 5th seed who plays WITH Kyrie Irving and not WITHOUT him? What is next? A player wins the MVP as a 5th seed playing on a team with 3 Hall of Fame teammates in their prime?

@damroll

Ай бұрын

@@NikolaIvanovic-pu7hgkyrie was out 1/3 of the season and Luka is having historically great season, individually. I am not mad if Jokic wins but I think Luka certainly does have a case to win it.

@ImGayWhenISayThisBut

Ай бұрын

@@damrollyou completely ignored the point he brought up though. Kyrie played 5800% more games than Jamal did. Kyrie is a 1st ballot HOFer still in his prime. Jokic missed MPJ & Murray combined for 155 games which is more games than ALL of Luka’s teammates combined. Then add in the the injuries to the other role players/starters on that team. Jokic winning as 6th was the biggest carry job ever. Luka did not carry anything. If he did? It was for a very short period of time.

@uncletido99

Ай бұрын

​@@ImGayWhenISayThisBut I think Brou has Luka and Jokic tied and like Nick stated, tie goes to the guy who doesn't have one

34/9/9 is to good to not win Carrying the most injured team in the whole league to 50 wins in the hardest confrence probably ever(2024 west)

can't complain with brou's vote

"Serbian Twitter accounts" 😆

I got Nikola for MVP, great segment 🔥💯

It’s not all about seeding. Jokić has the better individual stats than Luka. Including totals because that needs to be a big factor that Jokic was out there more than Shai and Luka 10th in ppg (5th in total) 4th in RPG (3rd in total) 3rd APG (2nd in total) 2nd in field goals made 8th in steals 58.3 field goal % 65% true shooting 9th in minutes played 1st in PER 1st in win shares 1st box plus/minus 1st in VORP 1st in PIE 1st in Raptor 2nd in triple doubles On floor +11.6 Off floor -8.4 On/off = +20 Jokic played in 9 more games than Luka which is over 10% of the season

@tellsteveharveyidontwanthe2283

Ай бұрын

theres a reason why jokic is nr 1 in every advanced metric plus dont forget denvers bench is 28th in productin the 3rd worst in the league

@Smido83

Ай бұрын

Dude... Dallas rested their entire starters the last 2 games, cause they had nothing to play for... if you wanna count those games it just shows how desperate you are. Luka had to do more with way less because of a plathera of injuries to the entire roster. You made the same argument for Jokic 2 years ago. Now its Lukas turn. Not to mention all those advanced metrics are so good, cause Denver plays their great starting lineup way more minutes then any other team in the league. Noone is even close. And you have no other big with NBA quality as a backup. And your bench overall is one of the worst of the entire NBA. So of course his advanced numbers are through the roof.

@readmycomment3707

Ай бұрын

Cope loser Lukas better

@readmycomment3707

Ай бұрын

Btw EPM is a more reliable stat and Lukas ahead of Jokic in that

@zukusenryu

Ай бұрын

@@Smido83 okay even if you take away all the advanced stats Jokić has better box score stats. Sorry but Luka isn’t getting rewarded for playing less games than Jokic. Total points/rebounds/assists matter too

Nick really trying to make "buttress" work these past few days 😂

Brou is a people’s man

Broussard is spot on

As a Nugget fan, I'm fine with Luka winning. But for Brou to ignore Murray missing 23 games (by not mentioning his name) but made sure to name Irving missing 24, (which the last two he sat out because the Mavs had nothing to gain) is thr kind of the stuff that pisses my off about the debate. Clowns.

@tubbsthabarber4507

29 күн бұрын

For some perspective I will say that the Mavs had the most inured team in the league this season with players who contributed a minimum of 10 minutes a game missing a combined 200 games. Yes Murray missed time but Luka didn’t have a single lineup play 100 minutes together until after the trade deadline 🤷🏼‍♂️

Gobert being a now 4 time DPOY is a mockery of the award itself

@penkima4923

Ай бұрын

What seasons did he not deserve it?

@TheGoatLocker

Ай бұрын

​@@penkima4923the seasons his "defense" got exposed in the playoffs and cost his team a series win.

@penkima4923

Ай бұрын

@@TheGoatLocker The DPotY-award is a regular season award.

@zackhicks5320

Ай бұрын

@@penkima4923 so if the MVP is bounced out in the first round, that’s fine?

@AaronMich90

Ай бұрын

@@zackhicks5320 dirk did lol

Nuggets didn’t get the 1st seed so no reason to rob Luka of his historic season. I remember when Luka first came to the NBA and I was wondering how much better could he possibly get and here we are!!! 34 pts, 9.8 assists, 9.2 rebounds, 49% FG, 38% 3p% 🔥🔥🔥

@penkima4923

Ай бұрын

Luka has the 4th best stats this season, if we exclude Embiid.

@toshirohitsugaya857

27 күн бұрын

@@penkima4923 The 4th? Lol. If you add points + assists + rebounds together you have the greatest statistical season since the merger of ABA and NBA

@penkima4923

27 күн бұрын

@@toshirohitsugaya857 Who cares. If you add all the other stats to that, you get the 4th best statistical numbers this season.

@toshirohitsugaya857

27 күн бұрын

@@penkima4923 Absolutely not. On what basis do say that exactly?

@penkima4923

27 күн бұрын

​@@toshirohitsugaya857 I'm just looking at the PER.

Brou went for Rudy as DPOY on his radio show.

Great arguments Brou!

It is illogical to have tatum over giannis

@ShaySeazon

Ай бұрын

best player on the best team, you can definitely make an argument for hi; not as the MVP but as a 3-4 guy in the ballot for sure.

@treychapo1898

Ай бұрын

Having him over Brunson is the bigger problem to me, Brunson looked like the overwhelmingly better player than Tatum all year and he is a 2nd seed without another all star

@jammer9941

Ай бұрын

Here's the thing you don't have to like it but there is a valid argument for it. You had a guy who averaged 30 last year willing sacrifice his scoring numbers to seamlessly integrate two very good players resulting in easily the best record in the NBA and in terms of net rating and average point differential a top 5 team all time. Certainly not a flashy look at my numbers argument but in terms of results effective.

@jordanwalker6819

Ай бұрын

@jammer9941 is that the argument for tatum being MORE VALUABLE than giannis?

@skillethead15

Ай бұрын

It’s the wins. 64 wins and the next best team won 57 games. Meanwhile, the Bucks have been trash since Doc took over. Giannis doesn’t deserve to be above Tatum.

Brou's Wemby estimates are better than Wildes and I love Wildes.

Jokic MVP. Number one in efficiency rating, box Plus/Minus OFF & DEF and win shares. Tell the whole story. Jokic, Luka & SGA

as a kid I would've been saying Luka for MVP, as a grown man now I would say Jokic and it comes down to efficiency, impact on winning, and the deep metrics PER, +/-, availability, win shares, defensive win shares. and with all that into consideration, it is clearly Jokic.

@ResearcherQuian

Ай бұрын

I love Luka and I am a Mavs fan since Dirk and I want SGA to win it. But you are right, it is clearly Jokic. They are just trying to find ways to explain why they are going Luka or SGA but nah, definitely Jokic.

@kingjaydex7464

Ай бұрын

Most people in sports media don’t follow advanced impact metrics unfortunately. They see Jokic 26-13-9 to Luka 34-9-9 and they think Luka has a far bigger impact

@ShaySeazon

Ай бұрын

@@kingjaydex7464 that’s not true, jokic is going to win mvp this year lol

@user-fq3jb1nj2g

Ай бұрын

#77

@enmorot

Ай бұрын

Completely agree. A younger version of me might have had Luka at first. But because of the reasons you brought up, it's hard to argue against Jokic. His value to Denver is insane.

MVP should be voted every months to avoid end of the season bias and media narratives. At the end of the year you do the math a and the best players win. Also, if a player is hurt for a month he won t be voted that month. And that will pénalise him at the end of the year when cumulating points.

@sleepnot4804

29 күн бұрын

you hav the player of the month for that to let you know

My MVP vote goes to - FIRST THINGS FIRST Thanks for all of the constant entertainment....for years now guys!

When nick says “Ok stop” 🤣

Best segment on this show ! Pity we can only have it once a year.

That defensive rating impact stat is flawed mainly for the reason that these guys are all starters. when they step on/off the court usually a bench guys are playing for either team. The FG% allowed stat is much more legit because it's only about their direct personal impact.

Wait did Brou just pronounce Gobert’s name the way I think he did…

@TheMOnkeyballs69

Ай бұрын

Jo-bert 😂

@Monotony619

29 күн бұрын

Probs cos in french the g is normally a j sound. To my knowledge.

@tooglianprimus15

29 күн бұрын

@@Monotony619I thought that was Italian

@Monotony619

29 күн бұрын

@@tooglianprimus15 I think many European countries to be fair

@Kruppt808

29 күн бұрын

You forgot Brou lived in New Orleans, he knows the French dialect 😂😂😂😂

They like the advanced metrics to make a case for defensive player of the year, but ignore the advanced metrics for MVP. Win Shares : Jokic Offensive Win Shares : Jokic Defensive Win Shares : Jokic Offensive Box +/- : Jokic Defensive Box +/- : Jokic Box Plus Minus : Jokic Value over replacement : Jokic Player Efficiency Rating : Jokic Triple doubles : Jokic 2nd

Yall forget the circumstances of Joker’s first 2 MVPs already … Jokić and the Nuggets literally changed the game by building around their #41 draft pick as a Point Center, the same way Steph changed the league previous by leading to the small ball era! Jokić was the Wemby-esque enigma of that time, with the individual and team success all on his shoulders. It was a completely different situation

1. Jokic 2. Luka 3. SGA 4. Giannis 5. Brunson Would have been mine but honestly 6 players have an argument and none of them would be a bad MVP.

@alejandrosierra3743

28 күн бұрын

Same as u but switching 1 and 2

@Zemlja_je_ravna

26 күн бұрын

Award should go to the MVP - "most" valuable player, means it needs to go the the best. That is Jokic by all means.

Brou is just good, I hope Luka will win his deserved MVP-Trophy.

@colbypook647

Ай бұрын

Not deserving and won’t win

They are arguing against thin air here. No one is using the wins/seeding argument against Luka

@MarvyG23

Ай бұрын

Some people do

@ismaeel_914

Ай бұрын

True story if it was lebron they would’ve said seed matters

@exzicution

Ай бұрын

Then he should win it

@shepheardsounds3342

Ай бұрын

They have been

@tayche1

Ай бұрын

Bill simmons was lol

Can't believe Nick finally persuaded Brou to join the Luka bandwagon! Nice job!

1. Jokic 2. Luka 3. SGA 4. Giannis 5. Brunson

@enmorot

Ай бұрын

My list too. I would be ok with SGA at 2, but Luka deserves the nod.

@zukusenryu

Ай бұрын

Same I got but have Brunson and Giannis flipped. But I don’t have an issue with Giannis at 4

Love for both of them from 🇷🇸...Hope they match up in West finals... Whoever wins MVP out of two of them is fine by me

I get the Luka box score appeal, but check out the Mavs' offence with Luka on the court vs. Kyrie, kinda comparable. Now look at the Nuggets offence with Jokic on/off... it's night and day. Jokic + bench unit is a 122 off rating... that's insane

@hiphopotamus69

Ай бұрын

Jokic never plays with bench players so if he is off the court most of Denver’s starters are off the court. That juices his on/off metric dramatically.

@rodericksasu6976

Ай бұрын

Bro you just said it "kinda comparable with *Kyrie* ". Like that's not a factor. It's Kyrie. Lol.

@Joe_Ma99

Ай бұрын

Their back up centers are cheeks and everyone knows it…got anything else?

@timocruz510

27 күн бұрын

@@hiphopotamus69 Wrong, the team's rating with Jokic and no other starter in the lineup is still 122... Jamal and MPJ w no Jokic isn't even over 110... It's staggering. He's insanely valuable

@timocruz510

27 күн бұрын

@@Joe_Ma99 Yeah him and Bench players have an offensive rating of 122 on the court He's better than Luka he's just not insanely ball dominant We'll see who's more valuable if they meet in the playoffs. I'm a Luka fan too

Jokic should win it I’m sorry the most dominate player we’ve ever seen

Brou’s one knock on SGA is that his teammates played games? What are we doing 😂 it’s SGA fellas

@penkima4923

25 күн бұрын

Jokic's and Luka's teammates were injured.

"Jaxson Hayes can play though" Wildes 🐐

Joker is the MVP. They have the same win loss record as OKC. I won’t be mad if Luka wins but joker has been the MVP from day one and has achieved nothing but wins and amazing stats

@donttrendonme

Ай бұрын

Luka is on an unstable team and still competing by throwing up all time numbers

@Jomitheelf

Ай бұрын

Well Jokic was MVP based on those leaked MVP votes.

@benbretel3697

Ай бұрын

Luka mvp

@christianwestbrook6477

29 күн бұрын

Luke is barely behind them tho that makes no sense you act like the nuggets have 10 more wins wtf there 3rd 😂 luka stats are better and nuggets without jokic is better than mavs without Luka which means luka is more valuable

@morgann6

26 күн бұрын

you didn’t pay attention to what broussard said?

Factually speaking Luka’s season is not relative to what Jokic did as a 6th seed… Kyrie this season has better numbers (even a 50/40/90 season) than Jokic’s team mates two years ago COMBINED (as MPJ & Murray both missed the whole season) Luka’s second best player this year Kyrie is having a greater season than Jamal Murray despite them both playing the same amount of games… in the games Luka actually PLAYED the Mavs were 46-24, the games Jokic PLAYED the Nuggets were 55-24 which is a NINE GAME win difference. Add to that, the Mavs actually have a WINNING record when Kyrie plays and Luka doesn’t; but a LOSING record in the games Luka played but Kyrie didn’t. Finally, last year Nick’s argument in favour of Embiid was that Philly won more games than the Nuggets in a tougher conference (54wins vs 53wins) plus Embiid was the better defender… Big surprise now THIS SEASON all of that actually applies in favour of Jokic, and it has to go out the window 🤔

1:17 Brou says that as if Tatum doesn't have multiple guys on his team that are borderline All NBA guys Meatriding off the charts

1. Jokic (on/off numbers are insane) 2. SGA (young team, #1 seed) 3. Luka (great final push) 4. Brunson (2 seed with many injuries) 5. Giannis (team plays no D w/o him)

@justindavid9979

Ай бұрын

Good pick for #4. Tatum's team would probably still be a top seed without him.

If SGA, according to Brou, is the most clutch player in the league, averaging 30, and has the number one seed in the west, how is he not MVP

I AGREE WITH EVERY POINT BROU MADE.

Brou prédication was closest

Jokic lost the number 1 seed with all starters playing in the second to last game against the worst team in the league. How come people not talk about this?

@mariopippin3008

27 күн бұрын

he a made man now!

Now imagine adding Ben Simmons to the team

Jokic won mvp as 6th seed on a team that would be worst in the nba without him, with campazzo as starting point guard. That nuggets team wasn’t even an nba team without jokic. It’s not the same case with Luka AT ALL. Gotta love how these analysts refuse to use logic.

@ghawkins816

Ай бұрын

That Dallas team with Gafford, Washington, Jones, and Hardaway ain't a good team either, especially considering how many games Kyrie missed. Gotta love how fans see it differently for their guy instead of being unbiased. I just watched Jokic get drugged by Wemby in a game he needed to get the one seed. That can't happen to The MVP.

@justindavid9979

Ай бұрын

@@ghawkins816 MVPs can have off nights. Stef laid an egg in THREE games of the '16 Finals as the only unanimous MVP in NBA history. (Bron did the same in the '11 Finals.) Embid laid eggs during the entire postseason last year. He also famously went scoreless in a previous game against the Raptors, shooting 0 for 11. Jokic was simply suboptimal against the Spurs, at 3 assists shy of a triple double. You left out KYRIE as a Luka teammate, along with the Mavs +/- with him on the court and Luka sitting, compared to Denver's +/- when Jokic is sitting (the latter of which was geoforce's main point that you have yet to address).

@justindavid9979

Ай бұрын

@@ghawkins816 I'll address it for you. In +/-, Jokic is #1 in the League this season. Luka is 20th, with "Gafford, Washington, Jones, and Hardaway" on his team.

@cmc2110

Ай бұрын

Mavs ain’t making the play-in’s without Luka

@Acradus

29 күн бұрын

@@justindavid9979gawking those “advanced stats” doesnt make you the genius you think it does lol +/- is the ultimate team stat about whether the lineup fits together. Of course jokic fits in the lineup… hes the star C for the team and lead playmaker

Nicks reasoning for DPOY is precisely why you shouldnt ever give him a vote, because he doesnt think Gobert deserves 4 or Davis deserves one for his career, you give it to the best defensive player who had the most impact, simple as that. And Wemby should absolutely be the defensive player of the year, never seen a guy block and alter so many shots.

Brou will be on the right side of history when we look back at this season!!

The Celtics are +77 in games Tatum didn't play, the team is stacked. Im not trying to hear no Tatum MVP noise lol

Tell me why this background music is kinda 🔥

Agree with Brou 100%

Brou 100% agree

Was legitimately shocked when he had Jokic number 2. Let's go Luka MVP!

why is the audio so silent

If we're going by on/off metrics and winning isn't that important, Herb Jones should be DPOY. His on/off for a wing defensively is insane.

Other guys are amazing, but Jokic is bringing most value to his team.

Agree with Broussard all the way 😊

Luka is my MVP this year hands down

Jokic numbers can’t be disputed and the media hates it 😂

I've got a surprise to you haters - Luka is also a Serbian only from Slovenia. Probably originated from Bosnia.

6:43 Rudy Jobert?😂

Joe-Bear at number 2 6:43

I like how Brou reason for Tatum is that the Celtics were the best team. Nothing about the player .. But everything was about Boston. Jalen overall had a better season.

God bless Brou. He doesn't let race interfere with his vote.

I give defense to Wemby. I'm a sucker for the cup off the fingertips on a block. It looks so dominant.

CB argues for Luka by saying Jokic once won MVP as a sixth seed. What he conveniently omits is that Jokic's two primary competitors for the award that year were Giannis and Embiid who played on teams that won 50 games The Nuggets won 48--no appreciable difference. Nuggets were a lower seed because they were in the much tougher west. No comparison to this year's race. CB also continues to ignore on off plus minus, or in other words what is a team's net rating when a certain player is on the court and what is it when they're off? Jokic leads the league by a mile. Luke is a distant 25th. Jokic has more impact on winning than any player,

@abhinavaman08

Ай бұрын

Thats what happens mate, people just remember winners, not the story behind it.

@micahcraig3898

Ай бұрын

Your argument is flawed in so many ways. First of all you said joker season with 48 came when the west was extremely strong and competitive and that's why he didn't win as many games. Have you completely ignored the juggernaut that is the west right now?? You have teams that would place in top four in the east fighting for a playin spot in the west. That point is poorly made. And you saying plus minus (a literal stat that is heavily criticized because it is wildly inconsistent and downright inaccurate at times saying that absolutely terrible players have a great plus minus therfore they are good. When plus minus is literally dependant on who's on the court at the same time with you. ) but you want to use that it determines who's more impactful to winning? That's not even the purpose of the stat, it's actually used to determine lineup effectiveness, not individual greatness. How about we use a more realistic stat of winning with vs without that player. Jokers team is 2-1 without him, small sample but they are still solid and mostly likely above .500 without him. Lukas team is 4/8 without him literally a .333, I'll even be generous and remove the last two games they lost which makes them 4/6 which is still well below .500. Oh and by the way, those 8 losses would make up the difference in their records with dallas at 50 at Denver at 57. Mvp is the best player among the best teams who is doing the most and if you think that is joker, more power to you. But that is a terrible method for measuring mvp. Imo but who cares

@connor_phillipz5689

Ай бұрын

Jokic's on off numbers are massively skewed by Denver's rotations. If Luka played the same line shift rotations that Jokic does his on off numbers would not be any worse. And the West this sesson is significantly stronger than the year Jokic won as a 6 seed and Luka got his team to 50 wins. Your arguments are hollow.

@pmpster5

Ай бұрын

lol sure. but when jamal is out, nuggets take a step back.

@pmpster5

Ай бұрын

learn rotations. joker gets high numbers a PER because the way they rotate. everyone on that team tends to have positive +/- because they rotate any moment a minus happens

Sga took a rookie to the number 1 seed

I will never watch you guys talk basketball ever again 😂

Media finally realizing that if they give it to Jokik or SGA and then Luka ends up beating both of them to get to the finals, they will really look dumb.

Brou is legit

Stephen A and Skip must be stripped of their voting rights next season. They vote based on their feelings

Gobert and Davis nearly plays 40+minutes in close games. Wemby barely plays 32mins. Hence the first stat of point differential when player is out of game shouldn't be considered.

Focusing on the seed stuff is a complete and utter red herring to try and change the focus from the fact that Joker has just been that much better and more important to his side than Luka has. Luka scored more points because he shot the ball a lot more, that's the difference in their counting stats (Jokic much better in rebounding obviously). Jokic is a significantly better defender and I actually think Luka is very harshly judged on that end of the court but Jokic also is for some reason. There is no noteworthy variance between the two teams (either record or talent wise) to really factor it into this. I love Luka, he's a very worthy 2nd to Joker but this shouldn't really be a debate for anyone who actually watches and follows the sport. There's a reason that Jokic is just flat out miles ahead in every single advanced stat, some of them at genuinely historic levels. It's eye test meets statistics checking out completely. Luka has had a flat out great season, Jokic has just been greater. Realistically the MVP race should be as boring as the ROY race, these guys are just creating narratives, like they did last year which ultimately cost Jokic a very deserved MVP, for the clicks and to talk about something.

Brou's MVP voting is founded in the same logic as presidential voting

Gotta give Broussard his flowers. Overall solid list and the points he makes for Luka are knowledagble and actual good points

I felt for Nick when he tried to say you’re insane if you think the Lakers defense is the same without him and they cut him off lmao

Brunson the literal definition of an MVP this season. And I’m a Warriors fan on the other side of the country.

@penkima4923

Ай бұрын

Brunson doesn't have the stats.

@baydawg

Ай бұрын

@@penkima4923 and thus we run into the problem of MVP being too open to interpretation. MVP should go to the player that does the most with the least around them. Dragging an injured team filled with role players to the two seed is incredible.

Brou, hat of to you!

Gobert not winning DPOY is just disrespectful.. MIN won 56games and was the best defense in the league and the only reason for that is Gobert..

GREAT argument for Luka The Don!

I agree with his pick, but players and coaches should vote for these awards. Talking heads on TV and sports writers should have nothing to do with it.

Winner of efficiency stats such as PER/WS/VORP/BPM for 4 consecutive seasons, The Denver Nuggets have 3rd worst bench in the league; Jamal Murray missed 20 games; Still, the most win in the Western Conference(=okc) Jokic, who has the most overwhelming on-off margin in the league, Luka fans never mention this. They are only talking about PTS/AST/REB~ he is alone~~

Like for hoang as MVP

@marcusrudolph5961

Ай бұрын

1st team all youtube