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Typically running QBs are more successful in college than the NFL. In the NFL the athletes on defense are just that much better.

@kenmahoney5255

Жыл бұрын

💯👍

@nordytunn4929

Жыл бұрын

Hit a lot harder too

@ratpwn

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@joshjohnson2753

Жыл бұрын

​@@ratpwnMassive wvu fan, most of our qbs flop in the NFL lol, Geno's random amazing season was wild to watch.

@patrickdonawho9423

Жыл бұрын

Yep, with the rare exceptions back in the day like Vick. More prevalent now, but arm strength and working in the pocket aren’t skills that degrade as fast as speed 🤷‍♂️

Matthew Stafford WAS the quarterback of the Lions. He was the only bright spot of their team for YEARS, never having much success cuz the team was so bad. He finally got traded to the Rams in 2021 and won a Super Bowl with them his FIRST year. He’s still on the Rams

@DNReacts

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Jack! Appreciate it 😀

@TheIcemanthomas

Жыл бұрын

*one or two bright spots. Don’t forget megatron

@notsauer

Жыл бұрын

@@Michelle-kc8ht if you’re implying that Stafford wasn’t the reason for that Super Bowl win, then you’d be wrong. Apart from the Cardinals game, Stafford carried them.

@CTDMally077

Жыл бұрын

@@notsauerstafford led the league in interceptions the year they won the super bowl he didn’t carry anything 😂😂😂😊

@notsauer

Жыл бұрын

@@CTDMally077 then what happened next? After the Cardinals game, Rams RBs averaged 2 yards per carry for the rest of the playoffs, Stafford’s team lost 4 fumbles to Brady and missed a FG, but it was all okay cuz Stafford completed 70% of his passes, was clutch, and hard carried them to a championship

Ha, I remember this guy’s first college game. I was watching it because it was the only thing on (not an A&M fan) and my wife, who isn’t a football fan, said “wow that kid is pretty good isn’t he?” Soon later he was the biggest thing in football and my wife felt like quite the talent scout! 😂

@DNReacts

Жыл бұрын

Love this 🤣 Did you keep her updated with how it turned out? Thanks for the comment!

Erratic is the perfect word for Manziel imo. Both in terms of play style and off the field habits. In terms of on the field, erratic can sometimes be good, especially at the college level where you can get away with far more things than you would in the NFL.

@DNReacts

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Alex, really appreciate the info and comment

There's lots of things about college QB performance to be wary of when they go to the NFL. Running is indirectly one of them, in that the QB will take more, harder hits in the NFL when they run. Probably the biggest thing for evaluators is their offensive system. As this video mentioned, Manziel played in an "Air Raid" offense that allows quarterbacks to put up huge numbers without having to understand complex plays/situations. So guys who play college ball in these types of system look better in college than they might in the pros. On the other hand, a college QB that has poorer numbers, but plays within a more pro-style offense might be forgiven for their stats - if their raw physical skills are good enough. Josh Allen turned out to be a positive example of this, though there are plenty of negatives too.

@DNReacts

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment and examples Adam, helps a lot! Appreciate it 🙏

I remember watching his CFL debut. First pass was a interception and he was pulled at halftime after throwing 3 more INTs.

@DNReacts

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a brutal debut! Appreciate the comment, thanks 🙏

@gordieparenteau6555

Жыл бұрын

​@@DNReactsAnd then was banned from the league.

I saw you looked slightly confused when the narrator said "Sorry Skip" and briefly flashed a tweet on screen. Skip refers to Skip Bayless, who is a sports 'journalist' who shows up on sports talk shows on ESPN and gets a lot of attention by making outlandish statements and having insane and unorthodox sports opinions.

This guy was a nightmare for us Alabama fans. The way he could escape getting tackled then spin around and throw touchdown's blindly was like magic. A lot of things he did were incredibly dumb and reckless for anyone but him. There is no way he could have seen who and what he was throwing to. Its almost like he had a feel for where receivers were 'supposed' to be at any given time based on the play called. He could throw it blindfolded based on timing. He was a maniac and a savant.

Teams definitely are weary of running quarterbacks. It’s not just that the field in college is more open, but when you get to the NFL, everyone can run and everyone is fast. You gotta be able to throw the football if you’re going to play quarterback. Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, all of them can run, but they work hard and have developed into players that can throw and run.

@ljvwright

Жыл бұрын

Mahomes is the most slept on runner in the league, I been saying it for years he's deceptively quick, knows when to run as well and when to go down and out of bounds. Like LJ really. Lamar never gets hurt running, it's always in the pocket he gets his injuries from.

@astreastar-

Жыл бұрын

Mahomes wasn't close to being a dual-threat QB like Jackson and Allen coming out of college. People were weary if he was a product of the high-flying air raid system or not.

@ljvwright

Жыл бұрын

@@astreastar- Absolutely, he's not the dual-threat as those other 2, but that's why he's slept on purely from a running perspective. He's so good as a passer, his runs get slept on. Watch his games. He does it a lot and in key moments too. BTW Josh Allen needs to stop running. He's like Cam Newton. He's so big and powerful, he just bullrushes through people, he's not elusive at all, no brains, just pure brawn. He's going to get himself injured if he's not careful.

@Bringmethehorizondude

Жыл бұрын

@@astreastar- yup. The same air raid system Johnny ran in college. People definitely thought he might just be another system QB.

Your knowledge of the game seems to grow with every video I watch…keep it up you guys are the real deal!

@DNReacts

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, we really appreciate it 🙏 Glad it’s really coming across too. Love the comment

Watching his podcast interview gave way more context that people were wondering all these years. The media built him up so much and then tore him down so hard that he never really got to explain what happened in his personal life and it was really cool to see him open up about all the stuff that was happening off the field, while he was shining on the field

@swinn848

Жыл бұрын

You mean the media used and then abused an individual? I can’t believe that 😂

He was so frustrating to watch, it seemed like he was playing by another set of rules. Didn’t seem to matter what defenses did. When Auburn beat A&M at their place it was one of my favorite games ever. Great call by Auburn’s announcer - “Johnny Manziel goes down in a heap!”

The opposite of Johnny Manziel was a quarterback named Roger Staubach. He won the Heisman Trophy in 1963 at Navy, went to Vietnam in US Navy, and returned from the military to become the starting quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys throughout the entire 1970s. He was arguably the most popular player and the nicest player in the NFL, and he made the Dallas Cowboys become known as "America's Team". ...Manziel was known as a spoiled rich kid. Even when he was in college.

I loved watching Johnny in college. He went to high school in my hometown. His professional career is truly about as bad as it gets. It’s so easy being good in college with just talent alone. When you get to the NFL you have to literally be one in a million. Talent and skill but also with an insane work ethic. It also helped that Johnny had Mike Evans as a wide receiver at A&M. Mike Evans is a future hall of famer.

@Bringmethehorizondude

Жыл бұрын

He probably looks weird because he was quite short and while he had agility and elusiveness, he wasn’t particularly fast. And his arm wasn’t strong or even really accurate. All of this combined with his lack of work ethic lead to him being a bust.

@DNReacts

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the comment, it’s clear to see how good he was in college, those kills just didn’t translate unfortunately!

@coyotelong4349

Жыл бұрын

The silver lining to a failed pro sports career though, is he’s STILL so young. Dude is only 30 He could go back to school, get a degree, and still go on to have a nice career. Maybe he could even remain near the game of football and go into sports journalism or something like that Ryan Leaf has actually built a nice second career for himself as a sports radio personality… I could totally see Johnny Football following a similar path

Matt Stafford used to play for Detroit. He was traded to the Rams some years ago and won a Super Bowl with them.

6:43 back then college athletes couldn’t sell or exchange their autographs for anything, was against the rules and could get suspended. Terrelle Pryor ( player with underrated highlight reel and bizarre nfl career) lost his college eligibility for trading autographed football memorabilia for tattoos in college

I was upset that he went to the draft when he did. He could have played two more years at TAMU, developed further, and been arguably the greatest college quarterback of all time. He came from an oil-money family, so he did not need the money instantly as some prospects did before the changes were made to the NIL rules. If the NIL rules we have now were in place during Johnny Football's college career, and Kliff Kingsbury hadnt left for a HC job, it could've been a special time for A&M football in 2014.

@marshalljones3341

Жыл бұрын

He came from oil money. That's the best explanation of his work ethic.

@coyotelong4349

Жыл бұрын

@@marshalljones3341 Exactly. He was used to being a wealthy playboy and having whatever he wanted handed to him without working for it, including success in college football The NFL was a rude awakening

About his size... remember in most of these videos, he is ONLY 19 years old. Coming out of high school he was 6'1" and 190lbs. The guy is actually REALLY smart. His SAT score (college entrance exam) was 1550 which is 50 points shy of perfect (1600). In 2010 the average score was about 1,000. His Wonderlic score was also pretty high at 32 which puts him at the 91st percentile in terms of intelligence. He just had ZERO self control. Sad situation.

As a browns fan at the time, I didn't want Johnny manziel. Even with the talent, the browns were a disaster at that time and what I knew that Johnny wasn't going to work out. 2014 is one of the worst drafts in browns history.

@marshalljones3341

Жыл бұрын

Cleveland is where quarterbacks go to die.😂😂😂

@coyotelong4349

Жыл бұрын

It’s like the Browns picked him up just because they were desperate for attention, because they knew they were otherwise irrelevant 😅

@Davehhhh

Жыл бұрын

@@coyotelong4349 no that was during the period when Haslem starting messing more into the browns organization when he had that Pilot Flying J scandal that cost him $92 million. The browns were always in the news but never in a good way back then.

Manziel played a kind of football which is euphemistically called " schoolyard " though my high school football coach and a lot of other coaches called a much more derogatory term . It meant basically " run around all over the field and try to make something happen . instead of actually running set plays .

So fun to watch you two gents pick up all the nuances of an often insanely complex game. I played all the way to college, and I still get lost in the granular nuts and bolts scheme, formation, and play-calling language. Kudos. And you also hit the nail on the head noting that Manziel looked "slight". Historically, smaller running/scrambling quarterbacks don't last long once they hit the NFL and find that suddenly everyone on the defensive side is a freak athlete. Even the great ones start getting dinged up, and if they don't have the fundamental skills to compensate for fading athleticism, they fall off pretty quickly. Contrast him to someone like Tom Brady, who looked like he was wearing lead boots from day one, or a Mahomes, for whom raw athleticism is secondary to solid fundamental play, and you get the idea.

As an Aggie fan that first year of Manziel and Sumlin was one of my best football memories. I went to the Cotton Bowl vs OU and that was so cathartic after spending the previous decade just watching them destroy us lol.

Even if Johnny had his head screwed on straight, only like 1% of college players go on to have legit NFL careers. And yes, you’re correct, running QBs always come with a lot of scrutiny. For a long time, many NFL execs didn’t even entertain the idea of running QBs.

Mad praise to you both for your concerted effort to learn the NFL, it shows, like your comment about Matthew Stafford and other players you both remember. iT's a pleasure watching you enjoy the NFL, I started as a kid when there was the NFL & AFL. Also the foray into the NHL fun, I came to the NHL in the 1990s around forty years old & had trouble first following the pluck, then understanding the rules, but love the game now. Keep in up, though they are only games the commitment, training, shear will, following rules is a testament to we as humans and what we can accomplish. There are players that I don't like but always respect. Conversely there are players as opponent that I route for though they have hurt my team. A few that come to mind are Walter Payton, Larry Fitzgerald, Darren Sproles, Brian Dawkins, the list goes on, players that played the game right and are solid citizens.

@DNReacts

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Larry, we really appreciate the comment and your support 🙏

Running QBs used to be very controversial as over the decades there really wasn’t more than one or two that at a time that could play the game successfully. Since 2011 there have been more and more dual-threat QBs but they’re still risky because injuries do follow mobile QBs more.

I believed he failed as a NFL player is he came from money his Father had Millions from Texas Oil so he never had the hunger that most player feel to make it he had the skills but not the hunger to get better

Check out Jalen Hurts. Became superstar QB who took team to SuperBowl this year at age 24 after getting benched in college, switching colleges and only getting drafted in 2nd round. This year he set record for rushing TDs for a QB.

Watching him in the draft was hilarious. He thought he was going to be picked right away and then team after team picked other players and he was just sitting there at his table getting more and more angry just chugging down glasses of water and when he finally got picked at #22 he did his signature money gesture super half-heartedly and you could see how pissed he was.

It was like every single month he was getting in trouble even back in college. He couldn’t get out of his own way but damn he was fun to watch and that’s coming from someone who hates A&M 😂

@DNReacts

Жыл бұрын

The college clips were definitely fun to watch in here. Appreciate the comment Harry, thanks

@Hawkeyevodka34

Жыл бұрын

That’s just the stuff he got caught for too, he was going wild back then. A friend of mine took a video of him taking lines off his heisman at a party in college station

Something else this video didn’t touch on is Manziel grew up rich so people questioned if he had the hunger to wanna be great to improve his life. This isn’t always the case Mahomes grew up wealthy as well but he is arguably the biggest competitor in the NFL at the QB position.

Set The Edge is a phenomenal channel. Glad to see you react to one of their videos

First college athlete I was a true fan of. What a disappointment that was 😂😂

@DNReacts

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that didn’t end well 😂

Great reaction, Gents. To become successful in the NFL, you have to have a strong arm first. Very few have ever made it without one. Then, there's accuracy and intelligence. Last but not least, you have to have a strong work ethic. Without it, it's impossible to be successful in the NFL. One thing that is changing is that the "spread offenses" in college are making their way to the NFL. More and more NFL teams are taking quarterbacks that were successful in college, in a specific system (like the Air Raid), and changing their offense to match what made them successful in college. Like Pat Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson and Jalen Hurts.

@DNReacts

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Dennis, really appreciate it 🙏 Interesting to know re more NFL teams taking more QBs and altering the teams style. We’ve seen how clear that is with Lamar Jackson too. Thanks for the comment.

You are definitely correct about teams being weary of drafting running QBs. Evaluating how their game will translate from the typically weak college defenses to the juggernauts of the NFL is nigh-impossible. For every Lamar Jackson who plays at a MVP level, there are 5 Johnny Manziels who flame out. Their willingness(or ability, some just aren't plain smart enough) to stop relying completely on their athletic ability and learn the X and Os is usually the main factor in their success

@DNReacts

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment and confirming Deano, really appreciate it 🙏

dude perfect is out of Texas a&m, also Manzel was quick but once he got to the next level, he was considered slow compared to everyone else. The Mike Evans fact can not be underplayed. Evans was a cheat code. Evans is a jump ball hero. Put it in the air and Evans could go get it. And Manziel was small, and had "small hands" which i dont know why its important but pro scouts seem to care about it. Also I hate Texas A&M so i never liked him so im not the best person to ask about him.

@DNReacts

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the comment 🤝🏻

@TheIcemanthomas

Жыл бұрын

Small hands= harder to control the ball.

@creature1273

Жыл бұрын

@@TheIcemanthomas I mean sure but when they get to that exact of measurements im not sure it matters as much, but i do love your screen name so ill allow it.

a huge factor they didn't touch on is his family money. that made a huge diff in how much drive and desire he had to work hard.

I like that subconscious smile you had after mentioning watching vids with your kids. Manzel reminded me of a mini-Michael Vick without the commitment or the arm that Vick had. I know you have done a Vick video but I don't think you have done a Vick College video. His College video`s are wild.

Johnny Football was high as a kite the entire time he was lined up behind center at TX A&M - then when he couldn't get high & drunk within the confines of NFL regulations, Johnny Manziel couldn't even perform his signature style of play as well if not at all... the one of two games he might have shined he had done a bump or was on some other undetectable substance that gave him a buzz. The great Brett Favre couldn't play without a beer buzz early in his career if you guys remember

There's an entire Netflix documentary releasing on Johnny Manziel coming out this fall! I'm pretty excited for it.

I graduated from Texas A&M back when our football team was awesome (the mid-90's)--but the Johnny Football years were the greatest ever. His highlight reel is jaw-dropping. (Watch the Texas A&M-Oklahoma Cotton Bowl game in 2013 or the Chick-fil-a Peach Bowl game against Duke the next year--they are both unbelievable.) I saw him play in person a few times and there was nothing like it. He is a once-in-a-generation player and I am happy that I got to be there for it. It's really sad how he killed the golden goose, however. You don't often see someone with so much ahead of them just throw it all away. Really sad.

@DNReacts

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it is really sad! That’s cool that you got to see him play!

Simply, he failed in the NFL because he had already failed at Adulting. He was incredible to watch play in that freshman season. But, the success went straight to his head. The only thing he wanted was to live the life of a superstar, without paying any attention to actually being a superstar first.

I'm glad the guy pointed out how Mike Evans bailed him out on a lot of bad throws.

3:00 I was so proud that they got it right🤣 jolly good show👏🏾

The coach they mentioned Kliff Kingsbury went on to coach Patrick Mahomes at Texas Tech before making the jump to the NFL to coach the AZ Cardinals. He was fired last year and will be an offensive assistant for USC this coming season for the reigning Heisman Trophy winner Caleb Williams!

The quarterback for the Cardinals is 5’9 maybe 5’10 (Kyler Murray). There’s even guys in the league that are 5’7. You get all different body types depending on the position.

The clip forgets to mention that Manziel was born into a wealthy oil tycoon dynasty. Basically he and his future children were set financially for the rest of his life from birth. I think it was this, his Silver Spoon where everything was given to him where he didn't value real hard work. Unlike athletes that come from complete poverity, he had less to loose from failing then being successful.

It's definitely more common for people to be skeptical about running quarterbacks coming out of college than they are about pocket passers. There have been plenty of highly-touted, high-drafted scrambling QBs that didn't quite pan out recently: Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Cam Newton (though his career was probably the best of the bunch), EJ Manuel, Tim Tebow, Robert Griffin III (RG3). That's not to say that pocket passers don't end up as busts either, but it's less common for a top prospect passer to end up as a bust than it is for a running quarterback.

Later on, Kliff Kingsbury, who developed the air raid offense that Manziel used at Texas A&M, went on to coach the Arizona Cardinals in the NFL. He wasn't the worst, finishing 28-37-1 in four years, but it showed the difference between the college level and the pro level.

Having a strong arm isn't as important as some would think when looking to draft a QB in my opinion. Joe Montana and Drew Brees come to mind of great QB's that were always criticized for having weak arms and yet they were as good as they were. All the great QB's were good a reading the Defense and knowing if the current play was going to work or if they needed to change the play to something they believed would work. Having the dedication to study film for extended periods of time to find the weaknesses of your opponent and their tendencies that you could exploit.

Y’all should check out tim Tebow or the 2006-2008 run of the Florida Gators

You gotta watch a manziel highlight video from his days. His freshman year highlights are some of the most electric, on the fly plays you’ll find in college football

It’s not shocking. He was never in a pro style offense and had his hero ball constantly bailed out by Mike Evans. He never had the desire to Pursue what didn’t come to him easily. He was destined to fail

1. Work ethic 2. Decision making under pressure 3. Accuracy 4. Arm strength 5. Size 6. Athleticism

21:09 Yes. That would be correct to say & is a common concern for teams & fans drafting a player that fits this description.

They just made a documentary about him. Its called "Untold: Johnny Football."

Idc what anyone says he is will always be my favorite college QB

@DNReacts

Жыл бұрын

He looked so good in college!

@dancleary4101

Жыл бұрын

@@DNReacts yeah he got drafted by the Browns, which was a terrible organization and put a lot of quarterbacks careers in Jeopardy. He was also very immature. He needed to stay for four years and go to an organization that was going to help him grow. He had a lot of mistakes, but he actually apologized for a lot of his behavior and moved on.

@Chris-kk6cw

Жыл бұрын

Vince Young all day

@dancleary4101

Жыл бұрын

@@Chris-kk6cw what does that have to do with my post?

you all need to do the 38 minute tyran mathieu lsu highlight video, the best college video you will ever do and then do his nfl clip!!!

You guys should check out Can Newton for some added perspective

@DNReacts

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the comment and the suggestion, really appreciate this, will check he’s on the watch list, 99.9% sure he is. We run regular polls on our Discord for all members to have a say in what videos we do next if you’re not already on there 🙏

Tactics: How to Read a Defense/A Guide to the Basics of Football Coverages by X's and Noles. QB decision based on Defensive coverages...

The most important measurement for a successful QB is the 6 inches between their ears. You need to understand the game, your playbook, the defenses you face, the mental fortitude to practice over and over for every play and possible scenario. Next is durability. If you have a great arm and/or legs, that is a bonus.

Kingsbury became the Cardinals coach in the NFL that lasted 3 yrs. They drafted a tiny mobile QB same yr he got there, who's the same style of player as Manzeil. Kyler Murray! So the same offense that Manzeil played in, Murray has now played in for 3 seasons in the NFL and it hasn't worked in the long run

You guys should definitely check out Matt Stafford and Cooper Kupp’s Super Bowl season together it really was magical. That or since you guys have an appreciation of the game you guys should definitely check out Hard Knocks just goes into everything behind the scenes with players and coaches

A strong arm might be the top characteristic that an NFL team will look for. But, I think it's more of how well they understand their position. Peyton Manning didn't have a very strong arm, but he knew more about the two team on the field, than either coach of those teams. Running quarterbacks can have success. They need to be very fast (Michael Vick, Randall Cunningham) and they're probably only looking at a 5-6 year career. Their bodies can't withstand the hits after that.

"How can you have an autographs investigation" The NCAA considers student athletes to be "amateurs." That means it is against the rules for them to be compensated for anything related to their play, including signing autographs, or at least that was the case in Manziel's era. They've loosened things up a bit now. They still aren't paid, but they can pursue sponsorships, similar to Olympic athletes.

I remember watching a game his freshman year I forget who they were playing but A&M is a LOUD stadium, the home of the 12th man because they get so loud... Manziel got hurt in that game though nothing serious but it was one of those injuries where no one knew if it was serious yet or not. The crowd was so quiet during that moment trying to see if he was ok you could have heard a pen drop in that stadium... I remember just sitting there watching and going WOW, imagine being that good they get that quiet....

@mtgamer7

11 ай бұрын

You're talking about Missouri. It was scary for those of us there because we weren't sure if his knee injury was a season-ender , or worse.

Many superstar college quarterbacks have talents that just don't transfer into the NFL. This is particularly common for QB's that played in a spread style offense. On the flip side, many pro superstars were good but not great in college. Tom Brady and Joe Montana are prime examples of this.

You guys should do Caleb Williams. The best college QB headed into this upcoming season and probably the #1 overall pick next draft. He is electric

Really makes you wonder what would've happened if he played in a pro-style offense during his college years and was hooked up with a counselor to help him with his on and off-field issues. Work ethic is a huge thing and you can't just rely on talent alone. Seems like there was quite a few people who wanted to ride the hype rather than help him succeed. I remember TMZ would follow him because he was notorious and while his style was fun to watch at A&M, most my friends and I thought that his hectic style would never translate. Shame. But there are more players than I can count on two hands that had bright futures and wasted them in the NFL. I'm a big Raiders fan and I remember Jamarcus Russel coming out of LSU and drafted #1. Ugh man that was a train wreck and a half.

It was Matthew Stafford in Detroit throwing to Calvin Johnson. Stafford has since been traded to the LA Rams and win the Super Bowl 2 years ago.

@DNReacts

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for confirming Michael, appreciate the info and comment 🙏

Johnny Manziel is 5'11.75" and 207 lbs. He was a terrific college player, but he just didn't have the physicality or mental talents to build a pro game. Kyler Murray is a similar type of player that ended up working a lot better, however, there are still criticisms of Kyler for his seeming lack of desire to study the game. The difference with Kyler is that he's not necessarily interested in partying so much as playing video games, plus he's a much better athlete (he could have played baseball just as easily as football).

You guys should definitely look into what’s happening with the Oakland A’s - aka Moneyball! The Montreal Expos had a similar and sad story. In the NFL, the Baltimore Colts. Documentaries on these teams and it’ll show you a glimpse of the greed in U.S. professional sports! Love the content, as away!

@DNReacts

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the suggestion Jaime, will add to our Discord list. Really appreciate the comment 🙏 Have a good weekend

@gordieparenteau6555

Жыл бұрын

My beloved Expos. 😭💔🔵⚪🔴

@areguapiri

Жыл бұрын

"Moneyball" is a story told that had zero evidence supporting the whole story. Billy Beane is a con-man. He won less than many other general managers who had less talent and deserved books written about them

I was never a Manziel fan, and I was somebody who thought he wouldn't work in the NFL, even if his work ethic had been better. College football is so different from the NFL - much more run-heavy, larger dimensions (relatively), and much more of a coach-centered league, because the NCAA places restrictions on players that the NFL doesn't.

Manziel’s play looked “off” because he was improvising plays. Just playing “backyard football.” Basically told his receivers to get open and he’d find them with no plan.

The pendulum currently seems to be swinging in favor of running QBs in the NFL, with Lamar Jackson of the Ravens , Fields of the Bears,Hurts of the Eagles , and Richardson being drafted # 4 overall this year

@ScottServais-poet

Жыл бұрын

It's not like the pure scramblers of prior eras. All of them have to be able to pass and they have to be smart with running. Manziel was never disciplined with choosing wise times to run.

@rodneysisco6364

Жыл бұрын

@@ScottServais-poet Neither Fields nor Richardson have demonstrated NFL type passing ability and both Jackson and Hurts were inferior passers when they entered the NFL

@ScottServais-poet

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@rodneysisco6364 Fields is effectively an RB who sometimes shows the ability to throw. His team ended up with the #1 pick. Richardson hasn't played in the NFL yet, but he is a physical freak in all regards. That includes his arm. So, it's going to come down to anticipation and accuracy with him. As Nick and Damo have pointed out, Lamar has an offense made for him. This offense allows him to be creative, and he is an excellent but not elite passer within it. He is a scrambler first, but he couldn't be successful for as long as he has if that's all he could do. It's pretty much the same for Jalen Hurts. Exceptional decision-making all around. All of these guys, except Fields, have very good arms and very good decision-making and insane work ethic to back up their running ability. Manziel never had any of those things.

It’s worth pointing out that the autograph scandal would not be a violation of the NCAA’s ridiculous rules now.

Manziel was just the shiniest example of an athlete falling into the vast gulf in competition between the top professional game and the level just below that. It happens in other sports too, all the time. Think about it: in Division I college football there are god knows how many teams (100? 150?) and the players are all kids between the ages of 18 and 22. In the NFL there are only 32(?) teams, and they are made up of men in their 20s and 30s -- and those men were previously the elite sub-set of that Division I college talent pool. In college some guys can win on athleticism alone. In the pros, everybody else on the field is also as good an athlete as that guy. When you lack the determination to put in the extra hard work, the pro game eats you alive.

I'm a former black running QB & i can tell u 1st hand what the main problem was..selfishness..not from the player but from the coaches..we were so athletically gifted..the coaches..especially in high school could win game after game on our athletic ability alone..so there was no need to teach the position properly..coaches were more concerned about job security than teaching..as long as they win..nothing changed..then u git to college where depending on where u went for school the coaches would have the same approach..just win..but that will fail 10 outta 10 times in the pros..that was the problem in the early 90s to 2010s..not so much now because of 2 reasons..players are more sports specific now..choosing to only play 1 sport..& secondly the games on Sundays strongly resembles the game on Saturdays now..so the transition isn't as difficult..

There’s a variety of reasons many NFL teams have been wary to the recent era of mobile QBs. You mentioned the tough transition as NFL defensive players are far more athletic. Like Manziel many of these mobile QB’s also aren’t in “pro style” offenses in college. This provides an added learning curve when they move up. Durability is also a problem. Mobile QBs get injured more. It also requires an NFL team to somewhat restructure the look of their offense. It seems lineman are slowly evolving with the QB play as well, but more agile lineman are essential for a QB that likes to leave the pocket.

I think NFL coaches thought they could turn him into a Russell Wilson type QB coming out of college, I remember him getting that comparison on draft day. It's too bad he couldn't put down the drugs and focus on the playbook instead in the NFL, because he really was electric in college

As a draftnik (an NFL draft junkie who consumes countless hours of film and scouting reports/ opinions, dating to way back when there was great debate between who was the better prospect between Aaron Rogers and Alex Smith, so decades of amateur experience), I could tell you with zero hesitation that Johnny Football coming out of A&M was AT BEST a 3rd round prospect. Even beyond the well-known "off field concerns", as you astutely pointed out, his frame was borderline acceptable. Combined with his penchant for taking off after making a single read, his playing in an offense that doesn't translate well to the pro game, and he was largely a product of pre-draft hype. He was over-drafted (taken higher than he should have been) and went to an abysmal team that had no supporting pieces around him. Shame, he was a joy to watch play college ball and would have greatly benefitted from being drafted by a stable organization and sitting behind a veteran QB for a couple seasons (like happened to Aaron Rogers). Edit to add: yes, NFL teams are generally wary of running QBs, though there are plenty of examples of mobile QBs in the college level having some degree of success in the NFL (R Cunningham, W Moon, M Vick, C Newton, L Jackson to name a few), but they have to be willing to adapt to the pro game and make a transition to passing first. Otherwise injury will almost assuredly cut their career short OR teams will scheme to stop them from running and force them to use their arms.

The Buccaneers had a Top Ten pick the year Johnny Manziel and Mike Evans declared for the draft. 9 consecutive 1,000 yard receiving seasons later (only trailing Jerry Rice all time) Mike Evans was definitely the right Aggie to draft.

I would say the pocket presence is key. If the guy scrambles that's fine, but if they just run after one look then that's bad. Josh Allen runs, but he also scrambles, and he'll sit in the pocket and look for his 3rd or fourth option. When Allen or Mahomes scrambles, they're directing traffic down the field and make the throw

Running QBs get HURT MORE than Pocket Passers….which can throw your teams whole season away on one ☝🏾 play …that is why you have to be ELITE NFL LEVEL Running 🏃 QB…because at NFL level….they ALL are FAST 💨 even the 300lb guys are fast and athletic

The nickname was 100% a perfect fit.

Manziel's parents are super rich and wealthy from oil money in Texas. So he didnt need the NFL for the money so once the talent was on an even playing field it was obvious he didn't love football just all the fame it came with.

I will say this about Johnny Manziel. He played a great game against the legion of boom in Seattle in their prime. Almost won that game. He had the talent to win in the NFL. But his lack dedication to being a pro cost him.

The NFL's players are just plain FASTER than those one encounters in college football.

PLEASE keep watching Set The Edge’s videos. He is one of the best content makers for American Football. Two of my favorites are How Derrick Henry Saved his Career and The Immeasurable Failure of the Washington Football Team Under Dan Snyder

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Thanks Jason, really enjoyed this channel, have made a note of them; the content was great! Appreciate the comment

A running qb is fine for the nfl but that qb MUST be able to pass effectively from the pocket. Nfl defenses have the strategies and personel capable of containing even the most talented runner. So you must be able to pass in complex schemes that require you to sit in the pocket and think it through. Then when they get too focused on the pass, you break off a big run to throw them off balance.

Dual threat or mobile quarterbacks have been frowned upon and avoided until recently (3-5 year). With QB’a like Big Ben being a backyard guy then learning the defenses and playbook there was hope. Then you had Lamar Jackson come onto the scene who can throw and run, but you’re more afraid of his legs than his arms. Let’s also toss in Patrick Maholmes who can sit in the pocket and throw but also scramble and make plays with his arm and legs and coaches fear both. At the end of the day, mobile/dual threat quarterbacks need to be in the right offensive system in order to succeed. You can’t draft a quarterback because it’s the sexy thing to do because if he doesn’t pan out, your franchise is set back at least 5 years.

Johnny didn't turn out to be what most expected, including myself but I do believe his story as well as others such as Josh Gordon's, highlights that these athletes are not immune to substance abuse issues. I appreciate that mental health is being taken more seriously within our world but I believe that it would be a net benefit for us all if we sought to help these individuals rather than simply condemn their actions without a helping hand along side it. Everyone is still responsible for their actions and subsequent consequences. I just feel as if substance abuse could be dealt with in a different approach by organizations such as the NFL or NCAA.

Fun to watch in college... But, he was a rich kid who had some talent... So he never had to work for anything and was spoiled since birth.

Another bizarre and sad football career y'all should check out is Antonio Brown. He was a guaranteed first ballot HOF and on track to being one of the best wide receiver of all time until he ruined it all. His NFL career is basically over since no teams want to sign him anymore and his destruction is still on-going. Nonstop and Mikerophone did a video about and y'all should check it out.

Gotta say, I don’t fault Manziel for selling some autographs for money whatsoever… Having been a broke college student myself once I completely empathize with him At least college sports is more equitable now by allowing players to earn an income from sponsorship deals, endorsements, etc… even if the players still can’t be paid by the universities themselves

That is why the college game is almost an entirely different animal. You had Charlie Ward winning the Heisman and not even getting drafted. There should be a video out there to watch about Tim Tebow.

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Charlie Ward insisted that he wanted to play pro basketball.

Can you guys please do Tyrain Mathuei also known as the honey badger !!!

Accuracy is #1 for a NFL QB, Joe Montana loved to loft the ball. Inaccuracy is almost impossible to fix at the NFL level. Multiple reads in the pocket is next. If you stare down your receiver you are done for. Mobility is an amazing addition, but it fades fast. And most highly mobile QB's tend to be smaller. If Peyton Manning was mobile, you'd have the perfect QB.

The whole talent and hard work thing applies to me. In high school football, I got by on talent. In my first week of college ball I realized, "Oh, this is a whole other level" and I learned I needed to put the work in, because everyone here is as good as me or better. Something Manziel never learned I guess.

Watched quite a few Manziel games and he was definitely good. But it was as obvious he was also very fortunate, yes you make you own luck,but it was easy to see that his syl was not going to translate well in the NFL. Manziel also played at a time where the offence was ahead of the defence in strategy. When they caught up Johnny Football had no answers. Had to watch the video in 2 parts. Great conversation at the end. Yes the prototypical QB has a rocket arm and is statuesque. But most of the young high talent QBs in the NFL all had the ability to pull down the ball and run. Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, Josh Alan, Patrick Mahomes we’re all running QBs in college and I’m sure I could point out a lot more, just trying to focus on ones I know you’ve watched. While it’s a “recent” trend, this is the true impact of someone like Michael Vick, who inspired a generation of coaches and scheme designers to change the way they use the QB. And yes more “conservative” minded coaches and owners are calculating the risk of injury vs the reward of potential championships. Great reaction and conversation as always guys.