I just finished listening to this audiobook! Really fascinating! As a former evangelical I will say that I found so much of Brian's hypothesis to make so much sense. He seems really well researched and is a great, informative and entertaining storyteller (He reads his own book). Loved it!

@simonjedrew

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Having a religious background definitely helps with understanding these ideas.

Loved listening to Brian in conversation with graham Hancock. Stimulating and insightful. More like this please 👌

I say cling to neither sorrow or joy. Both produce fear. Be now

Got the audio book after the Joe Rogen interview - fantastic! Looking forward to this discussion.

@simonjedrew

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for listening! :) The book is so great!

The diference of the burocratic religion and the mystics and spirituality is like the diference of what Alex Grey say: believe in your spiritual experience or believe in the spiritual experience of someone else (narrated by a group of burocrats that believe they understand).

Good job, brother! Keep up the good work. All the best.

I’m reading the book now. I’m more than interested in this subject. People do not need a middle man between them and psilocybin. Everything is legal to source right now. Watch some KZread and teach yourselves how to grow mushrooms at home. You can do this, there is no mystery. Lift your own vail.

When he says "so on and so forth" it reminded me of "so forth and so on"

One of the best interviews I've listened to of yours. It actually is fairly obvious from changes in Marcus' writings about the universe/nature/god when he must have started integrating his experiences from Eleusis. The influences it had were apparent that Marcus had seen beyond the veil.

@simonjedrew

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, much appreciated. I really enjoyed talking with Brian about all this. I think it's certainly a topic that needs at least another couple of thousand years to get to the bottom of :)

So fortunate to watch your video... Brian has done a remarkable work in this psychedelic renaissance...

@simonjedrew

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Alfred!

Been enthralled with Brian’s work since I first heard about it!

I definitely recommend the book, he goes in-depth in a way that isn't captured in interviews. Kind of amazing something like this can have such low views...i'm thinking in 10 - 20 years we will look back and really say wow....im really hoping this book will inspire a new generation of research into these topics that will take us to a very new level of understanding in society. Its very exciting

You can access the PreSocratic Pythagorean training now through the qigong masters - I did this to finish my Master's Degree at University of Minnesota. Kingsley documents the ancient Greeks experiencing a spacetime vortex when they "die" - this is described and explained in chapter 11 of the book "Taoist Yoga: alchemy and immortality" - I experienced this also. thanks

“There’s a difference between eternity and everlasting” 🤔😳✌🏽

“One person’s therapy is another person’s religion” 😳🙏🏼

I can’t afford it now but I will somehow get my hands on either the audiobook or actual book OR both! Love tye topic! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

@Thereisnospoon8

3 жыл бұрын

Audiobook is on KZread

clinical settings are decent but the shamans know how to take it further with actual archaic techniques of ecstasy. dont forget the cultures that have survived that utilize psychedelics in ritual settings.

Ammon Hillman is translating Galen.

I never understood the trilogy either. As a young girl I didn't know where I fit in because I wasn't a father, son or spirit.

A mind-blowing experience is a metaphysical phenomenon, and to dismiss it as simply the effects of a drug was (and should still be) considered a form of blasphemy. This goes a long way for explaining why the mystery religions maintained their secrets and insisted on their initiates having the proper ritual context.

What a beautiful discussion!!! Thank you so much...

Thank you two for a fascinating talk, adding a comment and reference that might be interesting: 1 Rudolph Steiner described in his Secrets of Philosophy, the mysteries of Ancient Greece as the cradle of philosophical enterprise. his inquiry lays heavily on the akashic chronicles so it is a 'spiritual' research, but the information is highly interesting 2 Michel Montaigne the French philosopher, tried to talk of philosophy as the art of dying, even though it is not as deep as your ancient references. Looking forward to reading your book in details, my own experiences into 'those realms' that was spontaneous rather than induced, blew my 'mind' and changed my approach to life and dying, as a young man, and opened me to those layers of the intellectual history. Good luck and many blessings. Eylam

Great discovery this channel, subscribed!

@simonjedrew

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate! I appreciate it :)

Wow really good, enjoyable and interesting interview, considering there was so much new information you got out of Brian and not the same Q’s others have asked

Holy moly! Im intrigued

@simonjedrew

3 жыл бұрын

I know right? He's a fascinating thinker!

Good morning, Simon J. E. Drew. this is a absolutely insightful video. thank. :)

@simonjedrew

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, sorry for the late reply!

It has to be available to all who want it. Not only elite well educated seekers who can afford it. All who want the experience, so taking two years to prepare may not be viable for those in lower economic situations, which could be argued are who need it most.

@simonjedrew

3 жыл бұрын

I have to say, I tend to agree with you. However, in my view there are absolutely important steps one should/could take to be best prepared to utilise the experience.

@I3lindMan

3 жыл бұрын

It's freely available to anyone. You don't have to use psilocybin or LSD or ayahuasca. The experience they are talking about can be achieved through meditation and/or fasting which both cost zero dollars.

@Instramark

3 жыл бұрын

@@I3lindMan Good point but the expert, Terence McKenna, would tell you it could take a lifetime, or never to get there through meditation without plants. He also cautions that you need to get buzzed enough until you start meeting certain entities along the way which also have to be negotiated, if I got this right. He says the problem for some of us on the plants is getting so far out, might never get back. I did some mushrooms one time. I got out there so far, almost did not get back. But, I did not meet any entities, so I guess I failed. I don't really want to trip like that again and this was 35 years ago. Would need some heavy supervision to try again. But what a trip it was. Much more intense than LSD.

@I3lindMan

3 жыл бұрын

@@Instramark While what McKenna said about meditation is true, keep in mind that is a single perspective from an individual about what is apparently the most subjective possible experience human beings can be part of. For one, how many people can be found that spent months or years in sincere meditation practices that completely failed to undergo this experience? The possibility of "failure" should not be a discouraging point for anything, ever. Second, meditation is as much a tool for control and stability within the experience as it is a method for inducing it. Fasting seems to be a much more "forceful" way of bringing about this experience, not that you can make it happen. Go 7 days taking in nothing but water and electrolytes and then try meditating and see what happens. While I do not know the details of your trip, I hope you consider the extreme importance your intentions going into a trip, the place and environment you are in during the trip, your state of mind you are bringing with you going into the trip, and then how you put all of the experience into practice and perspective once it has passed and you have returned to "real" life.

The "Smoking Gun" is the experience.

My favorite books are the immortality key, the secret drugs of Buddhism and the psychedelic gospels. I'm working on writing a book Called Amrita and Eucharist that will draw heavily on the work done in these books

Great Podcast, I am convinced of the very notion expressed here in, according to my own experience with DMT... Once you have this experience you understand the concepts the ancients were conveying to those with the eyes to see and ears to hear, for validation....

@simonjedrew

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Thomas, I'm glad you loved it!

@thomashicks7164

3 жыл бұрын

@@simonjedrew I did subscribe by the way, Thank you for sharing.

@craighicksartwork

3 жыл бұрын

Once you've been there, everything changes. Psychedelics annihilate all concepts, boundaries and ego.

I fuck with this heavvvy , modern eleusis is already under construction 🚧!!

"ten years from now we may go to a client/event to take part in drug induced ritual/healing/scientific event. dying and returning to life". Well many of us thought it would happen in the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s... but it hasn't and it probably won't.

Cool tattoo

The same rituals still take place in the initiation rituals of modern mystery schools like the Rosicrucians but I imagine the ancient version was more like a rainbow gathering

An IA translating dead language would make eavy sens.

True Mystics do not need hallucinogens/ psychedelics to have visions. Explore the Indian spiritual traditions, where spiritual visions are the norm. These are achieved through intense, long-term yogic/ mantric/tantric/ bhakti ( devotion) practices. Many saints in Indians multi-tradition spiritual history have had such visions without, I think, much use of hallucinogens. When one's spiritual state is very high, they come naturally.

@neilbaesel3767

9 ай бұрын

Look up a substance called SOMA in the Rig Veda, lol.

53:02 < Just because the early gospels were written in Greek doesn't make the roots of Christianity Greek, it was the lingua franca of the region back then.

@bellezavudd

2 жыл бұрын

If its roots are actually as dogma claims it would be written in Aramaic. One of the oldest languages in writing, and served as the lingua franca of the area for 3000 years. Language of Jesus himself, and many prominent Jewish holy texts.

@kevinm4157

2 жыл бұрын

@@bellezavudd Partially true, "the consensus of modern scholars is that the New Testament was written in Greek and that an Aramaic source text was used for portions of the New Testament, especially the gospels." Anyhow, I was responding to a point made in this video, I don't believe that having Greek elements makes it Greek in origin.

@bellezavudd

2 жыл бұрын

@@kevinm4157 Some people see it other ways. Such as how the new testament is Greek thru n thru, with Judiasm sprinkled here and there to act as a bridge of cohesion. Either way the mainstream modern dogmas of Christianity have been shown to be the result of a gradual ongoing evolving theology. A long history of various apologist clamoring among the sects creating civil wars and infighting , along with more random interpretations vigorously and continually added on top of mythical and mystical works . Quite the history. A powerful, rich elite "club" fronting a central myth of a messiah character who says "Give your $$$ to the poor and follow me." While the club mostly uses the peoples $$$$$ to buy art, gold, real estate, politicians and soldiers for "holy" wars. Now to find out more what rests at the foundation of these age old spurious claims is mindboggling bizarre, hilarious and maddening. But also very refreshing.

Book isn't available on amazon? Got removed?

@simonjedrew

3 жыл бұрын

Oh not sure. I'll try and check.

@simonjedrew

3 жыл бұрын

Here’s the link: www.amazon.com/Immortality-Key-Uncovering-History-Religion/dp/1250207142/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=the+immortality+key&qid=1610503065&sr=8-1 However they may well have sold out. I’d imagine that after Rohan’s interview there was quite a flood of interest.

The term "psychedelic" in the title would have been MUCH better than the inept and misleading "hallucinogenic". Why not just go total retro and use "narcotic"? (Satire). You still get a thumbs up, though.

that dude from Party Down knows a lot about shrooms and ancient shit.

Eluesis is SoMannaFest

In a nutshell philosophy is about how to live and die well.

Sounds like they drank Soma and tripped. When they tripped they navigated through the underworld. Then they come out of the trip newly birthed. Making them initiated and not afraid of death because they had a N.D.E..

We need someone who knows how to ask key questions briefly! without cheerleading his guest or his own discourse. Be deep and brief and let the Other speak.

Interesting thesis and topic. I was interested to learn more. I'm not Christian and have no problem with the idea that early religions may have been based on ecstatic drug-induced experience. And there is certainly no doubt that the Christian church is a deeply patriarchal entity. I got the book thinking it would be a credible, well-researched exploration of the topic. Unfortunately, the "evidence" he presents is speculation. In fact, there is virtually no credible evidence to support his assertions. Quite disappointing. His book would never be taken seriously by real scholars/historians.

saying all religions came to existence bc of drugs is just nonsense