This is one of the most potent, aware, present, intelligent, whole, enlightened, compassionate, helpful, prophetic conversations I have ever witnessed in a lifetime of 70 years; I was born 8 years post World War II, 1953. These two gentlemen, Daniel and Scott, for me, are the equivalent of the prophets and seers of old. Their conversation is "psychedelic" in its impact upon me. Through a lifetime of study and really lucky contacts, my mind/awareness has pursued insights into the human predicament not only on a personal level but on the global level yet I am no one of interest, just an old retired man in a small community in Iowa. Having said that, I see that a countercurrent to our current headlong descent of humanity into the utter madness and darkness of complete global devastation or dystopia is taking shape and I would argue, whether it succeeds or not, is as potent as the current of insanity, in the "coincidence of opposites" that Daniel discussed with Ian McGilchrist in another You Tube conversation. In whatever time is left to me on this planet, I intend to amplify and serve this countercurrent which is nothing less than the very best of human Cosmic potential and this will be a strange analogy; but in its reaching for intelligence, wholeness, dare I say the sacred, is resonant with the James Webb telescope.

I find it extremely easy to listen to what Daniel is saying! I've also listened to about 10 podcasts that feature Daniel and not only is he really good at explaining things, I noticed he is getting better at explaining topics too!

@markumark1

2 жыл бұрын

I was just wondering whether he is getting better at presenting these ideas or i am getting it easier because I've listened to every conversation with him that I can find.

@michaelmarhal

2 жыл бұрын

@@markumark1 I thought the same thing after I made my comment! It may be a bit of both! thanks for the reply!

@JD..........

2 жыл бұрын

He's a mastermind.

@peterholy953

Жыл бұрын

Truly, you should be worried if you find it extremely easy to listen to what Daniel is saying! He is just spewing a bureaucratic babel. Social engineering described and analyzed by a Harvard apparatchik. A pseudo-scientific word salad lacking any purpose or meaning. Just babbling for the sake of babbling.

@craigwillms61

Жыл бұрын

In my opinion he needs to use a few voice inflections here and there. He becomes monotone and without emphasis once in a while we don't know if the point he is making has more importance that any other. I hope that makes sense. He's brilliant and unfolds things like no one else, but one can only remember so much of what we hear, we need (vocal) markers, at least I do.

An awesome distillation of the most important issues imaginable. Tribal hatred is no longer a luxury that any of us can afford (at least those of us that care about the future of human potential). Thanks Scott and Daniel.

Schmachtenberger is my hero! We need to comprehend all of this thoroughly and help others become more aware of it!

@nateTheNomad23

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly this. Spreading the word and upgrading your own capacity to join in this fight for Humanity as we transition through a sort of cultural, philosophical, technological, individual renaissance of thought, relation, and self organization.

@PetrosSyrak

2 жыл бұрын

@@nateTheNomad23 Well said. Get on board: realize, upgrade, help others to realize they need to get on board as well.

@peterholy953

Жыл бұрын

We need to do exactly opposite.

@PetrosSyrak

Жыл бұрын

@@peterholy953 I see you wrote responses to several other comments under this video expressing similarly negative views. But I couldn’t find any where you articulated specific arguments to support those negative views. Would you like to explain specifically which parts of Schmachtenberger’s arguments/opinions you object to and why?

@peterholy953

Жыл бұрын

@@PetrosSyrak Try to boil his lengthy speeches down. There is nothing there. He is a good hypnotist. His looks, the sound of his voice, softness, allure of honesty....it seems like he is saying something but there is nothing there. No meaningful statement about reality. Just meaningless reflections and observations. He is like a movie with good actors and special effects but no story or meaningful plot. Have you seen "The English Patien". He is exactly the same like this. Or, you can compare him to McDonald meal. Smells good (just like all junk food) and melts in your mouth but then you ask yourself what the F I have just eaten? How many years does he recites the same BS? What came out of it? Is there any serious person who wanted to use his "wisdom"? Anyway, maybe this will describe my feelings better: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hmmlw86HiJitaZc.html

I would like to point out that the pervasive problem with the internet is passivity. Listening to inspiring speakers has its limits. What are we doing to improve our lives? Solutions have to be actionable.

@peterholy953

Жыл бұрын

Lindsay honey, you are at the wrong channel. This broadcast is for lovers of pointless, bureaucratic, pseudo-scientific ramblings only. You see darling, babbling for the sake of babbling is an action in itself. There is some money in it, don't you know.

Thank you Daniel ... brilliant as always.

@peterholy953

Жыл бұрын

What did he say that was so brilliant? Please help me to understand.

So much to chew on here... definitely my favorite interview on this podcast so far.

The concept of "Entropy" is often included in emerging sensemaking narratives along with its complement, "Syntropy", and I have been giving thought to this duality and how it relates to the predicaments of the Anthropocene. Spreading awareness and understanding of Syntropic power may be the third attractor... --- The supreme good is like water, which nourishes all things without trying to. It is content with the low places that people disdain. Thus it is like the Tao. --- Many have been struggling to better envision how to transition away from our entropic civilization toward a spontaneous self- expanding syntropic community. If this goal also interests you, please take time to consider the perspectives and questions below. Any feedback is much appreciated. As you know, entropy (and negentropy/syntropy) reflect how matter and energy change with time. As captured in the 2nd law of Thermodynamics: overall, things will progressively decay and become more chaotic, disordered and incoherent as time passes, and with less capacity for "useful" transformation. On the other hand, the universe and our planet have been evolving toward increasing order, syntropy and meaningful information. These rhythmic patterned exchanges of matter and energy have been embodied in the three kingdoms of life (matter/energy > plant growth > animal growth > fungi > repeat) and have created expanding capacity for information processing, including consciousness, social behavior, learning and human culture. Information theory and recent theories of mind are based on these same patterns of entropy vs syntropy. The Anthropocene dawned when human groups began to harness ever greater capacity for entropic power in which energy is narrowly focused in order to fragment materials, tissues and even chemical bonds - often for the purpose of killing and dismembering. Entropic power involves a fast, precise, and intentionally "optimized" flow of destructive energy based on positive feedback (e.g. exponential and unstable), often with unforeseen, "externalized" and longer lasting harms (winners and losers). Examples include fire, the sharp edges of flint tools, arrowheads, spears, the plow, bullets, and then explosives, combustion engines, nuclear fission, and all manner of modern tech. In the information sphere, entropic energy flow/power involves hidden information and deception for the purpose of manipulating or defeating others. At the spiritual level, entropic power enslaves us to desire and fear, hubris and hate, and separates into "us and them" - "lock and load, it's kill or be killed, and might makes right." These typically masculine technologies and attitudes have facilitated an ever greater concentration coercive entropic power and control, forming patriarchal, hierarchical, warring civilizations. This progressive growth and concentration of entropic power has been the foundation of imperialism and industrial capitalism, and is culminating in our planet's 6th mass extinction of life. On the other hand, the syntropic power of living things involves synthesizing matter, energy and information into holistic growth patterns of reciprocity and exchange. These rhythmic patterns of energy flow involve self-regulation by negative feedback, and are spontaneous, decentralized, slow, initially inefficient, and generally non-coercive (free choice), but provide win-win benefits and unexpected long-term efficiencies. They are typically feminine. From atomic and chemical evolution within stars, to cellular life, geo-ecology and the brain, syntropic patterns are woven throughout our planet's evolving beauty as understood by indigenous worldviews, Eastern wisdom traditions (e.g. the Taoism) and modern complexity/systems science. These syntropic world views, including the synoptic gospels of Jesus (especially red-letter translations or Jeffersonian Bible), offer low-cost and practical psychosocial strategies to help us (especially men) to turn away from the seductively addictive path of seeking and gathering destructive power and control. Buckminster Fuller, who conceived the term "Syntropy" as a response to the static principles of design and architecture of his day, would surely embrace the growing appreciation of its ecological and moral aspects as well. I wonder whether you folks would agree that the syntropic flow of information, energy and matter through our physical and metaphysical worlds should be viewed as a unifying thread - its unnamable way? Perhaps recognizing the elusive patterns and principles of its pervasive presence can help us transcend the baffling paradoxes and calamitous predicaments of the Anthropocene, and help us advance toward a culture based on spiritual and planetary regeneration? What are your thoughts about Elinor Ostrom's empirical identification of strategies that Syntropic communities have adopted to effectively resist the tragedy of the commons? Could Ostrom's design principles for Common Pool Resource help us to transcend the multipolar trap predicament? [BTW, in response to criticism based on economic/game theory, she replied, "A resource arrangement that works in practice can work in theory."] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elinor_Ostrom --- In dwelling, live close to the ground. In thinking, keep to the simple. In conflict, be fair and generous. In governing, don’t try to control. In work, do what you enjoy. In family life, be completely present. When you are content to be simply yourself and don’t compare or compete, everybody will respect you. --- Thank you for your dedication to sensemaking & meaningful truth. I look forward to any comments on this.

@konstantinov

11 ай бұрын

Great comment. You hit on why I love music so much, a truly syntropic and pan-cultural expression.

As always, Daniel Schmachtenberger has real wisdom, and on incredibly many subjects. Just one thought about collective intelligence. Collective intelligence produces better results than individual intelligence if it meets the following four conditions: 1) Diversity of opinion (each person should have some private information, even if it's just an eccentric interpretation of the known facts), 2) Independence (people’s opinions are not determined by the opinions of those around them), 3) Decentralization (people are able to specialize and draw on local knowledge), 4) Aggregation (some mechanism exists for turning private judgments into a collective decision). Swiss semi-direct democracy fulfills these four conditions, and it did so for the last 700 years. More details on the site with the same name as my pseudo.

Excellent talk, Scott. As Daniel was citing porn, fast food, and social media, I couldn’t help but see parallels with the tobacco industry and how that played out over the past 50 years. Tobacco use went from a deadly and ubiquitous part of American culture to deceasing by nearly 70% due to better science and public health communication, but that cost billions in terms of government fighting the corporate interests who swore oaths in Congress that cigarettes were not addictive. Of course nicotine delivery technology gave us vaping which continues to increase among middle school and high school students (according to the American Lung Association), but is also touted by the tobacco industry for saving lives by reducing actual cigarette smoking. So like the porn and fast food industries, they market themselves as meeting a need that they themselves created.

@stefc7122

2 жыл бұрын

It seems to me that we need to stop targeting children with addictive products. This feeds into adults that do the same , or worse, to their own children in an endless cycle. Daniel explains this feedback loop really well and I think a lot more people need to understand it. If I were to tell someone that giving a 1 year old a piece of cake for their birthday was child abuse they’d look at me as if I had 3 heads but hearing it explained this way makes a lot of sense. There was a viral video of a baby getting her first taste of ice cream. Her eyes lit right up and she was so happy and wanted more right away of course. So many parents thought it was so cute and funny. While it seems that way, if it were cocaine would they still felt that way? I heard this comparison between sugar and cocaine and I think it’s a good one and it was my first thought when I saw that video. Maybe sugar needs to be viewed and treated a lot more like cocaine?

@jimo4106

Жыл бұрын

Same is happening today with oil companies lying about the AGW their product is causing. Hopefully, the end result will be the same.

@toi_techno

Жыл бұрын

Porn and fast-food are a direct result of wealth and education inequality. The more middle-class someone is the less fast-food they eat and the less likely their children will be exploited by the porn industry. In Ireland where I live we essentially don't have a porn industry because we live in a very fair society with very strong social welfare. Because America is so dog-eat-dog and unequal the place is full of obese people and home to a massive, grotesque porn industry (going to strip clubs is seen as normal by a lot of americans. I've never been to one).

@konstantinov

11 ай бұрын

@@stefc7122 And that goes to the culture issue that DS described.

Anything with Daniel, I watch and read. My brain hurts sometimes and sometimes I go over it because I want to understand everything even though I couldn’t repeat it! The solution at 42:00 would be great but to implement it… how? Being at my age now, I try to position myself as a spectator of this show called life on this planet, while I create mine in accordance to my desires. I worry a bit for the young ones though. I suspect it’s gonna get worse before it gets better.

@mcequal1

Жыл бұрын

mee too, I could start a Daniel fan club

Has Daniel Schmachtenberger ever considered talking with Peter Joseph producer of Zeitgeist and frequent advocate of Bucky Fuller ? These two power house intellectuals could come to some cornerstone solutions for our worlds problems.

@Samsgarden

2 жыл бұрын

Whilst PK has some useful Ana sites, I feel that anyone strongly advocating socialism or capitalism is too strong headed. It has to be something else. A superposition of the two.

@peterholy953

Жыл бұрын

Ha, ha, ha......You are funny. The whole point of these pointless, bureaucratic, pseudo-scientificrambling is not to offer any solution. Just intellectual babble for a sake of babbling. There is some money in it, don't you know.

This was enchanting.

@peterholy953

Жыл бұрын

Yes, well said, enchanting and utterly pointless. Quite adorable.

Social Permaculture Revolution!

This guy has my thoughts exactly

@peterholy953

Жыл бұрын

Your thoughts are bureaucratic rambling speech of a pseudo-scientific Harvard apparatchik????God, that must suck. I feel for you. Try meditation.

@AznDudeIsOn

Жыл бұрын

@@peterholy953 I'm pretty sure this guy meditates. I don't understand your point

@peterholy953

Жыл бұрын

@@AznDudeIsOn I am saying that Shmachtenbugar's thoughts are bureaucratic rambling speech and I feel sorry for people who claim to find anything interesting in his babbling.

@AznDudeIsOn

Жыл бұрын

@@peterholy953 What's that have to do with meditation?

@peterholy953

Жыл бұрын

@@AznDudeIsOn Meditation is stoping your thoughts rambling in your brain or at least not to be overwhelmed by them and not to identify with them.

I swear Scott is undressing Daniel with his eyes throughout this episode. Lol. It's funny. Appreciate the convo guys

VERY GOOD!

Yea, it's pretty sad how it all worked. I remember being in highschool and was turned off by how many shallow people there were. They only seemed to appreciate me on account of my surface exterior. So I decided I didn't want to be popular because really ignorant people were surrounding me and I was getting nothing out of it. Maybe one good, beautiful friend. But she too was pressured. I decided to do soul searching, which is a very isolating alone type of experiment/experience. So I did a lot of observing. What I noticed was, when I was in that state of affair with my soul searching, in highschool, I had to find a deep inner courage within me because I couldn't socialize with people who were fluffy and fake. So I learned TO stand alone, but it was difficult. It turned to be even more difficult when the family and the world around me proved to be as ditzy as the highschool kids. What happened was, I learned to balance some of this with some of that, but it had to be done on a conscious level. I needed my stuff and I needed as well to fit into this world, with my progressing stuff, if I was going to exist at all. And during all this, the so-called iphone was suddenly on the market. Do you know what I saw? A freaking lot of people, insecure as heck, holding onto a baby-rattle, the iphone, staring into it, not exactly immersed in it, but pushed into it so that they could hide from themselves that insecure feeling they felt of being around one another not knowing how to deal with themself or with other. So, today, that insecurity, seems not to have changed much. When that does not get dealt with, then the next step is always down, because if one is taking their ego with them which is full of insecurities, then they are not going to advance and go up, where they should be going, but they will be making further bad choices which always leads to not happy outcomes. Now would people on a general basis begin to recognize that they have left their soul behind, and that searching for their soul has been replaced by things, lika a baby's rattle, then that would be the beginning of the planet transforming back to their good side, the mature side, the being that was attacked a long time ago by evil aliens which put them in the situation they are in today, but that they will not find out about until they begin to become interested in their own, true self, instead of continually feeling insecure and trying to cover it up with just another toy.

Love the guy. You know, some of us are here with our thinking chops barely limping... It would be wonderful if Daniel had a school. Seriously, he'd be doing all of humanity a BIG favor. If you need someone to model after, look into Thais Gibson.

@jetsonesque

2 жыл бұрын

You had my like until mentioning Thais Gibson😂 This guy does not need pointers from someone like that!

@redlipmarketing867

2 жыл бұрын

@@jetsonesque ​ @Cooo Kit :) To each their own. If you've been inside the school, even if you think that what she teaches is BS it is an MVP... Is it the best school on earth? Certainly not but she can be one of the many models to look at. Now, of course Thinkers relate differently to content (they're not into stories as much as data) but they' re still humans. She built on a constant not a variable, that's why she's a good model.

@PetrosSyrak

2 жыл бұрын

@@jetsonesque Come on, bro. Why do you have to put out negativity like that. If you’re going to voice disagreement, you need to do it in a constructive way. Not with irony and without having something useful to offer! Make a counter-proposal, or at least take the time to explain why you hold that opinion.

Great insights on the relative worth of porn to sex, fast food to good nutrition and social media to real relationship. Keep up the good work guys.

Very relevant.

The hack for cultural enlightenment= a Messiah - that is what has kept humanity alive through evolution

@daisykuchinad3624

Жыл бұрын

It is Buddha, Christ and their followers like MLK and the Gandhi (s) of our world who have been most influential in awakening the better angels of human nature. Not a scientist, a philosopher , president, CEO or a union leader. The cultural enlighten t of Renaissance has begotten our current condition…..LOVE is begotten by the UNKNOWN …… without LOVE we will perish. Knowing that we WILL DIE will keep us alive🙏

There is one imperative for our time by which we solve and strengthen our individual and collective experience. Individual potential. Unless and until we place the amplification of the innate brilliance unique to each and necessary to all we will be alienated from nature and increasingly discordant we will be a net negative and dismissed from duty as stewards of this bountiful planet. True justice.

@peterholy953

Жыл бұрын

Wow, you sound just like Shmachtenbugar.

@hawkarae

Жыл бұрын

@@peterholy953 the bottom line is the truth we seek. ☮️

@peterholy953

Жыл бұрын

@@hawkarae That sounds like something that Schmachtenbugar would say. So profoundly meaningless.

@hawkarae

Жыл бұрын

@@peterholy953 indeed?

Excellent format! Love the reflection break. Daniel’s ideas require this type of punctuation to better absorb/ integrate our models. Well done!

I wonder if you guys have read the Jonathan Rausch book The constitution of truth. Seems very relevant to your discussion of the needed cultural change. Just a thought.

Can you please make a playlist with all episodes?

GREAT

I. Wish. DANIEL. WOULD. COME. AND. HAVE. A. PRAY. SESSION. FOR. OUR. PRIME. MINISTER. WHO. IS. SO. FAILING. IN. HIS. MORALE. VALUES

Can’t help but think Bill Hicks and George Carlin would be effective communicators of this message if they were alive today.

@grb1969

2 жыл бұрын

Bill Hicks: Alex Jones

The brain is very complicated. We have a lot to learn. How about if we put down our phones and form independent citizen councils in each state to discuss these issues? And organize. It could be a start. Human connection. We don't want a dystopian authoritarianism.

I can think of no finer guest that you could have for an episode.

@peterholy953

Жыл бұрын

Oh yes, if you are into a pointless, bureaucratic, pseudo-scientific babble, Shmachtenbugar is a master.🙃

@rainking50

Жыл бұрын

@@peterholy953 When it comes to the theme of civilizational preservation, whose perspectives are you informed by?

45:00 does access create agency ?

Sometimes evolution's goals are not in an individual's interest even in ancient settings.

Imagine each human is equally capable of running a system that eventually only needs one human to run it to predict and control everyone else. Eventually, all you can do is run yourself. Or can you? The first person to figure that out wins!?

What if ?... story...or Archy of All (not just Family-Banking-Intelligence LLC) and An-Archy by Everyone... For a while now I am toying with an idea that ties to the fact that current economic model is like a Monopoly game. Few (or only one) win the game and all the others loose. Since I've only recognized this fact - as if it is a product of societal development and not trying to correct it, - I will now try to develop a simple adaptation, an idea for the future of the world economics. World of free market that would be as fruitful for the people as could be. And would recognize all the effort and sacrifice of the previous generations. Lets reset the "game" then Really reset it, not just tweak the margins. Lets evaluate all that mankind (infrastructure, hardware and knowledge) has accumulated so far. How much is its global worth? Could everyone who is alive right now be a millionaire (in whichever currency)? Lets say we live 100 years and a year has 10 months. That is 1000 months in one's life. If every person at birth is to be given a million (a new million is created by the birth of a new child), he/she would have 1000 units of that currency per month to spend until death. At death that million would be taken out from circulation (individualized money that has your number on it). Question arises: Is this reset good for an individual? Those without the land would have to buy the food. But now the farmers could be in position of independent price forming (getting paid properly for their labor). And with extra money they could directly finance robotics developers who would crate robots that benefit farmers directly (not BostonDynamics "hyenas"). And that would earn those robot developers extra money for food and leisure ... and ... the cycle begins. ... Those who work manually and/or with their brains would accumulate money that could then be invested into new projects of their choosing or leisure. And those who don't work and have no innovative ideas would loose money. If you invest wisely, disperse in many benefiting inventions (and not spend all on food, housing and clothes) you get rewarded with the influx from products that were developed and sold as result of your investments. But remember: whatever you do with your money, wherever that million ends in those 100 years, all your money will be erased after you die. So there is no danger of inflation, there are no central banks needed, there are no banks at all, since there is no interests possible, there are no money lenders, there is no Ministry of Finances that regulates currency flows and no taxation from the state, since there is no money related bureaucracy. The People invest in what they consider worth or necessary investing in and in amounts they judge appropriate by their discretion. And this "monopoly game" has its Objective that is different from to-days economic farce: Aim is not to win by grabbing all the money (the few or only one winner) and thus ending the game, but to play the game as long as you can (the game never ends) while intellectually and emotionally enjoying it. Of course this idea is "just plainly ridiculous" at first glance. And at second. But what if...? There couldn't be more and more currency in circulation. And no arbitrary printing of money by/for the most powerful actors. There would be as many millions as there are living people. Once I've died, all the currency with "my name on it" (my serial number) becomes worthless and is taken out of circulation. Essentially one would start with a million, gradually releasing it into circulation and died taking one's million out completely. And since, during individual's life time, his/hers money has been dispersed, those holding small amounts of that money at the time of death wouldn't "suffer" much of a loss. An Individual would be encouraged, from the start, not to overindulge (1000 point per month doesn't make you infinitely rich) and to live by the motto of 'creating new quality that benefits all' (action that attracts outside investment). Also there would be no need for the State to exist in such a megalomaniac form of bureaucratic regulatory capacity (with standing armies and Intelligence apparatus) that too few individuals would be willing to support. And the problem of intellectual property would fall away also, if there would be none. All access to knowledge would be open. When you create a new code for the worker robots to operate better, you get paid by the investors/investments and later by the sales. One time operation, without any long turn royalties. If someone is prepared to use your already realized idea and works on its further development, that someone gets financially rewarded (new investment) for that particular improvement or for work on replicating that product (sales) and has no extra protection. Development would be driven by the real needs of the People (investors and/or buyers) and all the needles product would be financially discouraged (no consumerism mentality). The People would be initially forced to invest into sectors that satisfy their basic needs and make them more price affordable (food, housing, clothes...) and only then would begin investing in the indulging lifestyles. By giving everyone a million at the start of their life would ensure 'fair play starting position' for everyone and destroy any need for 'vertical social mobility' and 'horizontal exclusivity' cartel associations. Maybe one additional feature of such individualized currency ("million with your number on it") would be possibility of tracking the future use and movement of money you've spent. To see what your money is doing out in the real world is very "regulatory" on its own. As I've said, a very bizarre idea on the first glance and second, ....but what if...? If there are to be 10 billion people on Earth by 2050`s (watch any of Hans Rosling`s presentation of world statistic), then all the currency in circulation would amount to 10 quadrillion. That amount would be more or less constant, since the global population's exponential growth of 18th-20th centuries has already essentially leveled at future constant number of 10 billion people living on the planet. A million more ore less wouldn't change anything. What really creates inflation are the Central banks creating new money by new loans (private and to governments) in amounts of new trillions. And interests on that money lent. And all the financial derivatives and future's gambling financial investments. That casino mentality would be all gone. Together with stocks. Money/currency would be the only "stock". John Doe's million would be created only by his birth, no other reason for creating money would be allowed. So, if the population will have leveled at 10 billion people around 2050, then amount of money in circulation should be relatively constant. And then ... THE questions to answer, for every individual, await: What kind of a world do you want to live in? What will you do to realize that future? After asking those questions, it is your individual "free choice to develop" that future with your money's influence. Money as a 'Future Creating Tool', a tool that is today reserved only for the "chosen" ones (the rich monopolists), who regularly reset the (Monopoly game) system by creating financial crises and property/resources acquisition. Oh, if you are wondering what would become of today's billionaires and trillionaires, Earl John Doe the III`s? ...Well...they would still have a million of their own after this reset - a real re-set and not this phony re-type advertised as re-set by trillionaire Banker Families - just like all the others. This is my what if...EVERY MILLIONAIRE? story. If it doesn't resonate with you, please, move on to others. Or add to it. .................................................................................................... P.S .: People who cherish freedom should run away from UBI - universal basic income - that is tied to your social credit score ("value") and is meant to enslave you permanently and fully. If money is to be given for free to everyone, than it (must be printed) should come in one big chunk and not as monthly allowances. And people should also refuse the Block-Chain technology since it is The Tool for the ultimate and complete chaining, not just in the Money domain but in all aspects of social interacting.

That what I'm talking bout Willis

The method for cultural enlightment is simple but has to be done regularly and consciously to have an effect, just like exercise and meditation. All we have to do is prosocialise: 1. Promote altruism, 2. Organise altruism with Free Collaboration Networks (libraries, gift circles, open toolsheds, community gardens, carpool groups, ect) and 3. Teach others to prosocialise. We must meet everyone's needs! That is the purpose of society. A plant grows magnificent when it has all its needs met. Humans grow magnificent, productive and good when all their physical, emotional, social and psychological needs are met. It is absurd to not meet people's physical needs because their psychological and emotional needs of purpose and mastery are not being met. Those needs can and must be met in other ways other than jeopardizing their physical needs. That is total ignorance.

Yang Gang 2024

interesting

Open franchise democracy lowers time preference. That's a problem. Why save it?

I wonder if there really is more psychiatric disorders today or if diagnoses exist today that never existed in the Old Days (like when I was a kid back in the 1950s and 1960s)? I think the latter. I think there were lots of troubled people back then who just had to deal...or drink...or commit suicide.

"The decentralization of exponential tech gives a world of increasing catastrophe." Really? So we need a third attractor which REQUIRES increasing the "collective intelligence" of the people... isn't your best case scenario far more dystopian than it's ever been?

Yo Daniel Jacktenburger! 😂 Haha it looks like he get stronger the closer we get to doomsday…

Food for thought, although you are very educated in a subject, it doesn't mean you have the wisdom on how to apply it. Some of the greatest minds ,well educated in their subjects, have applied their knowledge to their fellow man in catastrophic ways.

@christiansgrignoli3351

2 жыл бұрын

Who are you talking to? If its Daniel then you should watch some more podcasts that hes a guest on. The darkhorse podcast and the lex fridman podcast are good episodes where he is the guest.

@wendypatterson6091

2 жыл бұрын

@@christiansgrignoli3351 I was adding to to his thought train. I have listened to many of his talks, love the guy. I think the idea of having specialists who are well educated on subjects closing the conversation has it's flaws. Not sure that silencing the point of view of those with less education on a subject is as fruitful as it sounds. So many truly original ideas come from an unindoctrinated or less educated person. Just a thought. Medicine is full of examples. Old discoveries found false take years to undo and bring forth the newer science. Too many have an ego involved with the old train of thought.

At this time too many Societies are ruled by religion, like the so-called born agains, or the primitive branches of Islam.

I don't have my headset for web3 yet. If you're someone with epilepsy it's house arrest for LIFE. I'll be able to have a life again. I'm more true to myself as my toon. I met one of my best friends on WOW 8 years ago. I said, We both have common names. We'll go on facebook. You pic 3 people I'll pick 3 people and we'll just have to admit how lame we truly are. It worked. My husband and i make a Great Team! Gaming in different Rooms. It's Evolution or Revolution. Why are you so doom and gloom on new technology's? Things like wed3 is not truly written yet and Crypto has the potenciale to Unit the World. It is what ever ( HUMANITY ) and our Governments make it right now. World Peace may not be possible but a Fare Game and United World can be. Watch our governments fu#k up this NEW WORD / GAME too. It's not a broken System. It's a New Future.

Social psychology is an oxymoron.

@aerobique

Жыл бұрын

no it isn't. 🌐✊

24:27 I always enjoy listening to Daniel, but he never fails to trot out the same shallow analysis of capitalism. The statement "capitalism appeals to the lower angels of our nature better than the higher angels of our nature" sounds kinda smart until you think seriously about it for more than 5 minutes. Capitalism is simply a framework of universalized private property rights where individuals are free to cooperate and exchange with each other in pursuit of mutual benefit - "benefit" being determined by the subjective value systems of each individual person involved. The emergence of relatively free markets and capitalism as a new societal operating system to slowly replace mercantilism produced by far the most explosive improvement in human living conditions ever to occur, flattened enormous wealth and class disparities that had existed for thousands of years, lifted billions of people out of dire poverty, alleviated unimaginable amounts of human suffering and privation, and allowed a planet-wide blossoming of individual self-actualization by greatly reducing the costs of the things that satisfy the needs at the foundational levels of Maslow's hierarchy. It did all this because it was the first system that allowed people to become wealthy by serving the needs and desires of others - by making, rather than taking; by creating new wealth in a positive-sum game through specialization and mutually beneficial exchange, rather than simply concentrating existing wealth in a zero-sum game via systematic domination and expropriation of the vulnerable in one's own society and the victims of foreign conquest. Appraised broadly, rather than within a decontextualized snapshot of the current moment, capitalism deserves the exact opposite characterization: it was the first societal system in history that baked economic appeals to our higher angels directly into the cake while stigmergically punishing the indulgence of our lower angels. You can see the results of this new structure of social incentives in the famous "Protestant work ethic" that blossomed across northern and western Europe in the 17th century, particularly in the Netherlands and England, which cultivated lower time preferences and emphasized the rewards that came as a result of discipline, diligence, frugality, faithfulness to contract, and taking responsibility for the wellbeing of oneself, one's family, and one's immediate community through volitional productive endeavor. The problems we see today with the rampant hijacking of the dopamine and reward systems of the human brain are not the result of "capitalism" - again a system that simply allows people to freely exchange for mutual benefit as determined by their own subjective value systems - they are the result of the derangement of our subjective value systems by forces that, despite having clear downstream economic effects while expressed in a capitalist society, are primarily ideological and political in nature. Modernity suffers from a severe crisis of meaning that has resulted from the overcarriage of certain concepts that have their roots in the very same European enlightenment that gave us the harmonizing concepts of private property, equal rights, and mutual exchange. In particular, the overextension of an ethic of equality into an ethic of equity and the overextension of negative rights into positive ones; the conflation of the ideal of equal rights for all based on the *shared aspects of our nature* with the notion that *all aspects of human nature* (potential, proclivity, talent, intelligence, character) *are equally shared* - leading ultimately to the catastrophic assumptions that 1) any disparities in economic or status outcomes between groups are the result of predatory bigotries that hide at every intersection of identity, rather than differences in subjective values and capabilities, 2) that everyone is an ubermensch waiting to blossom, capable of spontaneously self-generating their own meaning and morality in the face of a dead god and disconnection from thousands of years of collectively developed cultural wisdom, if only all of their secular developmental and educational needs are all met, and 3) that because everyone is equally capable given the same tools and opportunities, the promise of replacing dominance hierarchies with hierarchies of competence is a farce, and justice is only made possible with the abolition of hierarchy itself. These assumptions all lead to a conception of history as an inexorable march of progress towards a utopia offering complete equity, social justice, and individual exaltation-rather than an iterative, evolutionarily process where accidental-but-beneficial memetic changes are slowly stacked upon each other in a precarious balance between new and old in order to extend the viability of the social organism. Thus the body politic, suffering under these grave misapprehensions, has invited a kakistocracy to take political rule on the basis of their utopian promises - one who's inestimable hubris has led it to misidentify the institutional and sociological foundations of all the abundance and human flourishing that we take for granted in modernity as anachronistic threats to their utopian vision - and has also extended them permission to form a technocratic state of terrifying power in order to accomplish whatever "progress" markets and traditional societal institutions have yet failed to provide, all while naively mocking the small remnant striving to conserve those foundations against all odds. The false promises of this utopian vision have led to the destruction of the institutions of marriage, family, and traditional (adaptive) gender roles, leading to multiple generations of developmentally stunted youth from single-mother households suffering lifelong setbacks in mental health, self-regulation and impulse control, and general competency and mental faculty, along with an epidemic of depression among childless middle-aged women who were villainously convinced that they needed to waste their fertility window trying to out-compete men in the academic and career worlds in order to have self-worth, and an epidemic of men who have increasingly checked out from the journey towards actualizing their full potential in the academic and career worlds because of a dearth of the relationship and marriage opportunities that used to impel them to fashion themselves into strong providers. These changes have led to a society where all key consumer demographics are increasingly cut off from the human connections and reasons for self-actualization that provided a source of sustaining meaning to the fortunate among previous generations, and are now thus far more susceptible to dopamine hijacking, placing a much higher subjective value on access to whatever short-term gratification is available to numb the pain of felt meaninglessness. They have also destroyed meritocracy as the main driver of social and political status and replaced it with intersectionality - devaluing hard work, diligent engagement with ideas, and material contribution to family, community, and society, while elevating the type of contrived, empty, self-indulgent performance activism that plays so well on social media for generating clicks, views, and time-on-site while also informing successful corporate advertising strategies for continuing to sell addictive and destructive products to the disadvantaged groups their consumers pretend to care about in the abstract. Capitalism, when confined within a state apparatus, simply *gives us what we want* in all areas not expressly controlled by state policy; beyond incentivizing non-violent and cooperative enterprise in the production and exchange of goods and services in mutual self-determined benefit, it is just a mirror and an amplifier of whatever other values are prevalent in society and whatever other incentives are enforced by the state. While it may still create some pressure on us towards a lower time preference by rewarding saving and investment, and some pressure towards a path of unidimensional personal growth by rewarding our greater transactional usefulness to others, it can't tell us that such deferrals of gratification will be worthwhile in the absence of responsibilities beyond our own immediate comfort, such as to a partner or family - especially when such eventualities seem so illusive to so many, and when it's never been cheaper and easier to lead a superficially decent life alone. It can't tell us that men make better men than women, and women make better women than men, and that the two balance and complete each other. It can't tell us whether to value marriage and family over career and status, or to have a realistic sense of the risks and trade-offs inherent to choosing to defer either priority. It can't tell us to stop heedlessly bringing unwanted and neglected children into the world. It can't tell us that our problems are our own responsibility. It can't tell us to value rationality, logic, science, rather than a slavish deference to experts claiming disingenuously to embody them. It can't tell us to value authenticity, humility, community, civic duty, peaceful parenting, win-win relational strategies, or skepticism towards political authority. Perhaps in the absence of a political state and the illusion that we can collectively offload the consequences of so many of our individual decisions onto the benevolent secular god of democracy, it could in some sense tell us all of these things through the subtle economic reinforcement of eumemetic value structures. But we don't live in that world, and we're currently moving farther away from it rather than closer to it, so it makes little sense to place such a commensurate responsibility at the feet of our dwindling customs of property ownership and free exchange.

@andybaldman

2 жыл бұрын

Jesus, you say a lot and still miss the point.

@andybaldman

2 жыл бұрын

You can’t separate the negatives you describe above from capitalism. The incentives under capitalism are what creates them. The goal of capitalism is to maximize capital. And when that is the goal, you get what we have today. Capitalism is more than just ‘people exchanging stuff freely’. That is the part of Daniel’s argument that you are missing.

@DoritoWorldOrder

2 жыл бұрын

​@@andybaldman I'm not "missing" anything, I'm saying his argument is incorrect and then providing my own fully explicated counter-argument to it. Words need to have specific meaning in order to be useful in a discourse about complex ideas. The only specific, useful, non-contradictory and non-editorial definition of capitalism is the one stated in my argument above. Daniel regrettably falls for the trap that so many other thinkers do of simply defining capitalism as "anything I don't like that happens as a proximal result of pursuing commercial profit." Greed and the natural motivation to pursue one's subjectively determined self-interest are constants of human nature that will have deleterious effects in ALL economic and societal systems. What matters is the relative efficacy of those systems in channeling those motivations towards cooperative and socially beneficial outcomes. Capitalism, as (properly) defined above, and by its most thoughtful proponents, is far and away the most efficient system of doing so that's ever emerged in human history, and countervailing systems offered to solve the "problems created by capitalism" have literally killed hundreds of millions of people while simultaneously failing to provide anything that capitalism does and AMPLIFYING all of the societal problems that capitalism is blamed for; capitalism itself has literally saved hundreds of millions of lives and immeasurably improved billions of lives. The working title of perhaps the most important economic treatise on capitalism and free markets ever written, Ludwig von Mises's "Human Action," was actually "Social Cooperation" - because a system of mutually recognized private property rights and voluntary exchange is exactly what fosters social cooperation and makes it possible for people to become successful without dominating and forcibly expropriating the wealth and productivity of others. Blaming capitalism for the breakdown of our collective sense of meaning and loss of mental health to the point that what we near-unanimously demand in a marketplace that explicitly exists to answer our every desire is various forms of cheap dopamine hits that hijack our reward system by simple nature of the fact that they make us feel good, is like being hit by a drunk driver in a horrific car accident, reserving no blame or spite whatsoever for the drunk driver, and then vilifying your doctor because of the fact that he offered you a potentially habit-forming painkiller when you were screaming out in excruciating pain looking for any possible relief. The "negatives" I describe above are explicitly unrelated to capitalism. That's the whole argument being put forward. Either you completely failed to understand it, or you're too lazy to pose an actual counter-argument yet want to assuage your own petty need for a feeling of superiority by simply asserting your disagreement and acting as if your assertion alone is sufficient to demonstrate your superiority. Put up or shut up.

@andybaldman

2 жыл бұрын

@@DoritoWorldOrder Yes you are missing something. And I told you exactly what it is. Your 'definition' of capitalism is overly narrow. You're also parroting the same canned talking points every pro-capitalism person repeats online. And while many of those statements are true, they are also not the entire picture. (And as Daniel is fond of saying, you can create a false narrative out of purely factually true statements, because of the additional facts you leave out, which are also part of the bigger picture system.) Capitalism as it exists today is a system that seeks to maximize capital, and as a result often does so at the expense of other things that are also important to a functioning, stable, and long-term sustainable society. That's the inherent problem. Capitalism creates incentive structures that focus too heavily on short-term gain, at the expense of other longer-term variables. You can't force your own definition of a term to intentionally ignore system-level realities of that thing. That's like saying cars only get people from one place to another, so they're inherently 'good', while not acknowledging the negative aspects of them, or the ways they externalize harm to other aspects of society, the environment, etc. In short, you can't sculpt your definition of capitalism to only acknowledge the good parts, and ignore the bad parts. They're all inherently part of the same system. Two sides of the same coin. And before you come back with some counter statement saying anything about Communism, no, that's not what I'm advocating for either. Don't fall into the trap of thinking there are only two possible systems that could ever exist. All systems have pros and cons, including the ones that have yet to exist.

@DoritoWorldOrder

2 жыл бұрын

@@andybaldman Define capitalism.

I don’t want a radical social cultural enlightenment. Who the f wants this stuff? Hey everyone, let’s ignore abolish the internet and start writing letters/ and hanging together again. It’s gotten pretty boring and the device/app updates prob take an equal amount of time to letter writing at this point. Think of the mindfulness and purpose.

16:40 Salt, fat and sugar "hard things to get" in "evolutionary environment..." Sorry, mate.Sugar not wanted because of tooth decay, mental decay. Salt and fat easy to find in that big blue thing at the end of the land, called, the sea.

I cant tell if this guy is a sell out or legit, but something feels off...

@mistercohaagen

2 жыл бұрын

The guest or the host?

@Hyumanity

2 жыл бұрын

Here for comments :)

IS THIS WOOWOO EVEN VAGUELY POSSIBLE???? @#$% NO.