Wow, photosynthesis of the humankind. I'll take the artist, craftsman approach any day. This is precisely why as an art director I still shoot film.

It is mind blowing but scary as hell at the same time.

@DigitalPhotoMentor

Жыл бұрын

I agree 100%!

What people call photography nowadays is no longer photography. It's digital art / design. I think it's one of the reasons why film photography is on the rise, despite it being so cumbersome...

@Kuwandi

Жыл бұрын

Yes too much information in the hands of amateur is Dangerous ; and anybody thinks they are WOW ; I shrugg my shoulders

@simseeye6725

Жыл бұрын

@@Kuwandi It's easy to be "wow" when you simply don't have to do anything. The more we progress, the less photgraphy takes skill : we went from large format and wet plates to film cameras then to film cameras with aperture priority and autofocus, then to digital cameras with eye AF and auto ISO. It's the same with post processing : we went from darkroom techniques to the first versions of PS and now to AI, automated software (like retouch4me, content aware fill, etc...). It's less and less a craft.

@DigitalPhotoMentor

Жыл бұрын

Yup I'll hang on to my film Hasselblad, the value may be going up soon!

Amazing presentation, as always! Awesome to hang out with you virtually, Scott :)

@Emulives

Жыл бұрын

Wow...thats a great Crossover of my photoshop / photo icons LOL

I remember watching Deke for hours on Lynda and his Total Training videos. It's made my retirement years more productive and with peace of mind.

I’m a photographer of many years standing and I’ve always tried to make honest pictures from my choice of composition and visualisation. I find adding blocks of someone else’s stock photography is dishonest. For me personally this latest addition is not necessary. I know that there are situations where these features are useful but they are also wide open to misuse. I also realise that they can and will be used for entertainment and that’s fine but it does once again create worries about AI. These kind of developments (no pun intended) are gradually moving me back to film and darkroom printing.

@MusicJunky3

Жыл бұрын

I'm dusting off my 4x5 and re-stocking my wet darkroom....and closing the door to the digital world !

@simseeye6725

Жыл бұрын

People keep saying : "but, manipulation existed in the darkroom already, so Photoshop is nothing new". Except that darkroom techniques were used by only a handful of people, were not as seamless and easy, and didn't give you "perfect", undetectable results. Since the advent of PS, you really can't trust what you see. The 1st thing that comes to my mind when I look at other photographer's work today is : "what did the scene really look like ?". And I hate it. To me, using PS makes you cross a line : you leave the world of photography, and you enter the world of "digital art". It's still art, but I don't think it should be placed on equal ground. I used PS a lot in the past, I used Luminar. I replaced skies, I retouched skin, I removed objects from the background, I added light... It's fun, it's tempting. But I don't do it anymore, because I want my work to stay in the realm of photography...

@TravMan3211

Жыл бұрын

It's honestly the result of competition. Other editing tools outside of adobe have been using AI longer so Adobe has to innovate to stay relevant. Unfortunately it means advancing in AI and creating "fake" artist. As a photographer I am also deeply concerned but what can we do.

@smd1uk

Жыл бұрын

@@TravMan3211Yes I think you’ve hit the nail on the head there. For me it’s back to film and wet technology.

@simseeye6725

Жыл бұрын

@@TravMan3211 You're right. People went to Luminar for sky replacement when PS was not as efficient, for ex. As to what we can do, I think we won't be able to reverse the way things go. But we can make "statements" through our work by not using those technologies. Of course, at my very humble, hobbyist level, I won't be able to reach a lot of people. But I know some famous photographers who refuse to use those technologies, and maybe they will have more impact. Supporting them and not supporting the others could also have impact, I think.

just added a blurry lion and a blurry zebra to a photo of my black lab and it's nothing short of scarily believable - thanks Scott

The death of photography...

@davemenard5089

Жыл бұрын

No, photography is still photography. This is something else 🤮 and not for me.

I’m glad you said about the fact that this could all be done manually already. It’s silly to say this will change how we look at photos. People have been comping images for decades. Very cool tech though, and I can see more and more people doing what only the experts could do.

“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” - Arthur C. Clarke

Yesterday I used the remove tool to get rid of some people and other items in a photo, today I did it again using this new feature and it do so much better in a lot less time. I'm sold. I don't care so much about adding items, but removing is often critical.

Scott, I remember when I bought a VHS of you doing a Photoshop tutorial in the mid-1990s.

It is as exciting as it is disturbing, to be honest.

@billyray7743

Жыл бұрын

It’s not exciting,it’s cheating end off.

Truly awesome! Thanks, Scott!

Yes incredible and your intro, incredible as well. Always love your work and teaching. Question When I load the Beta and it finally goes real, do I need to move all my presets etc copied over to the new PS version I loaded as Beta?

I think this is mind blowing! I have used Photoshop since version 7. I have had a very serious relationship with Photoshop for a long time. The convenience that this AI fill facilitates is impressive. Is there a telltale or some sort of sign that Adobe places in the file (coding) to prove that the image in question has been manipulated? I’m a portrait photographer and I do not want my work to be changed after fact or for my clients to be disparaged. There needs to be a way of protecting photographers as well as the people in the photographs. Hopefully, Adobe takes this to heart.

@ridni2388

Жыл бұрын

I've been saying the same thing since the beginning of the "midjourney craze"... There should be a mandatory WATERMARK, not only metadata...

@joewilliams9285

11 ай бұрын

unless they don't improve it later...the 1024x1024 is what will limit it. Unless you go and replace block by block....you can zoom in and see the resolution difference. Other videos on generative ai have talked about this.

Thanks for the tourist removal demo, Terry… so many images to correct!

Things are moving fast, this is just the beginning of Ai. I can remember when computers first came out and ai is something that will change the way we do things big time.

So now, just stay in Auto mode and shoot sub-par images. You can always fix it in post. A reason why I still shoot film for fine art prints.

LOL! The groomsmen are very handsy!! Awesome but scary video. And you are spot on when you said this changes how I will teach Photoshop!

would changing the blend mode of the "new created layer" like to multiply, allow it to be moved without showing the selection area?? i'm gonna try tomorrow

FYI no you cannot use the images created with this tool commercially! It says so when you get it. And the max size is 1080p not 1024

I love it Scott. Thanks for the video man.

It's not photography. Maybe Adobe needs to change the name of Photoshop to Fakeshop!

Since you have a mask layer, you can move the generated item & blend it with a black brush.

While there are some amazing capabilities with the new generative fill options, in my humble opinion is being overhyped. For me, the use of generative fill will primarily be limited to removing unwanted portions of a complicated image that cannot be done easily with other tools. The ability to add fill beyond the edges of images using the crop tool is interesting but I hope I framed the image correctly in the first place.

@joewilliams9285

11 ай бұрын

life happens...you don't always have the time to frame it correctly....or you may want to frame it differently for social media.

Scott, thank you for a great, thoughtful presentation! I know you said in answer to a question that the generative fill images (like the owl, the gondola, etc) might be considered stock images and that would be OK. I agree it would be OK as long as the photographers whose work is used agree to their usage and are compensated. I have yet to see any comment from About where the images are being drawn from. Is it from any online image, or a specific database of photos whose owners have agreed to this usage? Perhaps someone Adobe who knows the inner workings of the new release could chime in?

Many thanks!

Excellent video, thanks. How do you go from LrC to the PS beta version? When you quit PS beta does the image still go back to LrC? If you extend an image does it retain the original aspect ration?

This is absolutely Crazy stuff!

"math in the cloud" lol

Thank you Scott. I love Kelby One!

Can you make the puffin larger?

I've a question: I tried the AI and it seems great but when I tried to expand a background, in my case an open field with some trees, it generates a blurry extension. it seems like it is not the same resolution as the original picture. quite frustrating

My generative fill is not active anyone knows how to fix this?

Just so frickin AMAZING!!

As a 47-year journalist, I won’t be faking my photos. Sometimes I could use an illustration from time to time, and I will label it as an illustration. And now for the results. If you want a sinking car, or a breaching submarine beneath the Chesapeake Bay Bridge, it will do that. I offered the picture of the bridge. But if you want a sailing ship beneath the Chesapeake Bay bridge you absolutely cannot have one. I’ve tried a dozen times. Probably a lot more than a dozen times.

Can it make a same sharpened version of a blurry one?

The 'Cheap Trick' T-shirt seems very appropriate in the context of this new Photoshop feature.

Can you take a selection and merge into another as a generative fill?

Great presentation. Amazing, new tool! Thank you!

What are you using to draw the area you want to put the generative fill ?

@DigitalPhotoMentor

Жыл бұрын

he was using the Lasso tool

Awesome! I live it! Can’t wait to try it 💕💕

Truly amazing capability of the new Photoshop, but now we have issues with determining "real photography" that galleries are going to have to confront. Photo contests, the public that buys photo prints, galleries, advertising agencies are all going to have to question these results. An emphasis on defining "digital art" from "photography" is going to have to be made.

@RamaSivamani

Жыл бұрын

Only for photo journalism. When it comes to buying things as fine art I don't think the distinction needs to be made. Art is art so for galleries all that matters is are collectors moved enough to buy a certain piece. I guess photo for photo contests it matter but then maybe we should not be entering "photo contests" but rather art contests where our photos are competing against paintings and other mediums and they are open entries from all mediums. In those types of contests they are a lot more permissive about editing and digital manipulation.

Removing the unwanted spouses' images, after a divorce, that may even have kids in it, will be a whole new business model. Can also be used for a business model that I always wanted to do (but did not put much effort in) was dating portraits.

Adobe has been hitting home runs lately (e.g., denoise) but Generative AI is a bit overhyped. At this point the concept is great, but the outputs are still inconsistent and a bit buggy: it's not really ready for prime time yet. However, as the machine-learning improves and the user reps go way up it will slowly become phenomenal. It's not there yet, but buckle up, because it's going to be a short learning curve!

@Kuwandi

Жыл бұрын

I agree OVERHYPED

@Kuwandi

Жыл бұрын

Overhyped because everyone wants to ride the COAT TALES and score HITS for their OWN BENEFITS and Monetary reasons

@RamaSivamani

Жыл бұрын

As an upgrade for content aware fill and removing distracting elements it works extremely well. Now for composites and things like that I will agree that some of the results have seen have been hit or miss

Which is the best way to get raw photos from iPhone 14 into Lightroom classic

What version of Photoshop are you using?

From Adobe Generative AI Beta User Guidelines Last Updated: May 8, 2023 4. No Commercial Use While generative AI features are in beta, all generated output is for personal use only and cannot be used commercially.

This is not photography I will not be updating my old photodshop software, it's taking all the creative process of creating photos that's why I still shoot film.

@DigitalPhotoMentor

Жыл бұрын

this is a beta but you can just choose not to use this tool

And the sale of dictionaries just exploded ..

Hahaha, you’re funny (the different grooms)

Soon, all photo evidence used in courts would be eyed with skepticism and challenged.

I'm already so far down the rabbit hole! This is NUTS!

It's ok. An ok start. I know it's in beta, but at this point, it's like a Google image search that plasters a few results into your image. And it gets some things right, but it needs so much tweaking it's better and faster to go source hunting, paste, mask and adjust it yourself. But I have no doubt that this tech will get much better, fast. But for now, it's not mind-blowing. It's ok-ish.

Thanks for the in depth info... This is from Adobe's End User agreement for Regenerative Fill. "4. No Commercial Use While generative AI features are in beta, all generated output is for personal use only and cannot be used commercially."

@alancooke1131

Жыл бұрын

Self protection no less.

It is actually stealing from other people's work, as there have been many instances where watermarks have crept in, proving it was taken from someone else it should in fact be banned if it's theft

I noticed that Lightroom defaults to the open program. I didn't have to change external editor. I had PS Beta opened and when I selected an image and hit Edit in Photoshop, it opened in the beta version. I closed the Beta version and opened the Regular version and when I told it to edit in Photoshop it opened in the regular version 🙂It then kept defaulting to the last opened version of Photoshop. If I edited something in the regular version and closed it, opened LR and told it to edit in PS it opens in the last version of PS I used.

I tried to remove a purse beside a person and it wouldn't do it. I don't understand.

I like it for some tlc in your photos but the feeling of being taking the photo cant be replace photography is an art you do it because you have a passion for it the moment the feelings etc

With Ai tools like Midjourney and Dalle this is called “in-painting.” This has been out for a while.

How much ram do you need?

I guess the other thing about all this is what ramifications it will have on the legal system. "here's a photo proving the suspect was breaking into my car and stole my $5,000 lighting kit!" Or ..."here's a photo showing the suspect was out fishing when the crime was committed". This could present some real problems in the wrong hands, and the world is full of wrong hands!

What beta-version was used here?

I'm working with stable diffusion for about 6 monthts now, this feature will compliment SD quite well but it's not a substitute, from what Terry said I'm deducting that this feature will be monetized when ready for market.

Just to say something important because there is a huge problem with this newly AI-Generated Fill. And this happens very frequently and it's extremely annoying - For example, today I tried to change a fingernail and I got this message "The generated images were removed because they violate user guidelines" ... A FINGERNAIL, seriously?!

As I recall, an old Associated Press manual generally forbid making any alterations to news photographs but did permit, for example, removing the face of a kid who managed to appear in a crime scene photo mugging at the camera. So, even some journalistic standards have permitted allowances for modifications that eliminate really jarring, meaningless distractions. Although I’m a hobbyist, not a journalist, I certainly won’t be adding any elements generated from Adobe stock photographs, but I’m very happy that generative AI will enable me to quickly remove distracting elements that otherwise would have required a lot of time and effort.

@smd1uk

Жыл бұрын

Maybe you should have recomposed the photographs with distracting elements before pressing the shutter, thereby negating the need to fiddle in Photoshop. I think back in the day the disciplines learnt using film taught us to be better photographers.

@DigitalPhotoMentor

Жыл бұрын

I agree I will use it for removing stuff, maybe extending the edge of an image slightly but not drastically. But I cannot see myself adding elements.

@DigitalPhotoMentor

Жыл бұрын

@@smd1uk Sure but that's not always possible. But I do agree that even zoom lenses make photographers lazy.

Well, it does some things brilliantly, like expanding your image. Or simple tasks. But i often generates outright garish stuff that look totally unbelievable because lighting, color balance are way off. Or just because the results suck. I tried an image of two fishermen on the beach and i asked PS to put a shark fin in the sea behind them. It didn't even look like a shark fin.

I thought I would see this in five or six years. When I saw it today I was shocked!

I have a bad feeling about this……. I could use it on travel photos.

@climber950

Жыл бұрын

Potato Jet recently built his home studio which included very large TV’s in the background which serve to give a unique background, which is all fake. But his default one looks so real. He cycled through different backgrounds and it was just insane. And that’s only 1/2 fake. This stuff is like 100% fake. Interesting how much computing power would be needed to add similar effects in Premiere Pro.

Photography will never stop, but we will doubt the photos that we see.

Brilliant piece of kit, however when your looking at a picture, one has to ask it genuine or was it altered.

where is the task bar how do you bring it up

Why did no one use the brush tool associated with this feature?

If it is in the beta version I'm not interested, I do not need another version of photoshop on my computer.

Nice feature but it's not working on my Beta version. It's greyed out...installed and uninstalled...nothing...

What did Terry mean by "unlimited use now"?

Adobe need to add a tag in the metadata that says the photo has be AI.

Before adding the vertical part of photo, merg your first addition

This is absolutely insane

Removing fences. Great for zoo shots.

This seems like a gimmick to me. Luminar has had it for a while. Maybe it's time to move to a more photography centric platform like Capture One.

Thanks for the video. It’s a little scary though…

I like to. get images right in camera but I just used the new PS Beta to take my subject but generate a completely false scenario in a dystopian city scape and whilst I know the image is fake it looks real and I have posted it to a photography group . I feel uncomfortable about it . I have ethical questions !

I really like this new AI but I’m afraid it’s going to be way over used, to where we’re all going to be sick of AI photos everywhere all the time! ... I also very much dig you’re wearing a Cheap Trick T-shirt :)

How can this help me restore old photos that are 100 years old?

Now it is time to end my hobby, photography has died.

Hi guys, great innovation, great presentation - many thanks. 2 Questions: 1. When saving a file after having extended a photo with generative fill it creates huge files. How can I avoid this? 2. How can I change color, opacity and all that stuff of people or things inserted with generative fill? Many thanks in advance. Frank

Can I add people from another shot?

Wow can throw away my camera for some software lol

Excellent presentation

We can all be professionals now with AI. No one will know the difference if you used A.I.

You can't use it for commercial purposes now since it's still on Beta.

You’ll never be able to believe what photos are real! I see some danger here.

Mostly disturbing. I’m confused by enthusiasm for something that is basically removing photography from the industry of photography.

I downloaded the Beta version from my Adobe account, but when I try to type something in the Generate bar, a message box pops up saying I am not 18yrs old. I am a respectable 70yrs old male!

42:00, holy crap.

I see a lot of photoshop plug-in companies going out of business.

@DigitalPhotoMentor

Жыл бұрын

like which ones? How do you know they aren't also working on something like this?

Generative AI will forever change our perception of photography. From here on when we see an awesome picture we will wonder if it was “taken” by a skilled human or “created” by AI. Ansel’s generation would’ve most likely thought about photoshop the same way asking did a skilled human take it or was it modified by a computer program…

This is a little disturbing to me!😱