Box One MTB Derailleur & Shifter - What's the deal?
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A lot of you guys have been waiting for this-a close look at the Box One.
Just the derailleur and shifter would set you back about $250. That’s not cheap, and with their very established competitors offering a wide range of options in 1x11, consumers are going to want some tangible reasons to go with the relatively unproven Box One.
Well thanks to you guys, Box sent me a derailleur and shifter to test out. Let’s take a close look at the Box One, install it, and go for a ride. We’ll start with the derailleur, which seems kind of big and heavy. Still it feels rugged, and I could see it taking a lot of abuse. It has a clutch, which is always engaged, and a cable stop which pivots when impacted. They call this “Pivot Tech”. While this does seem like it would absorb side and rear impacts, it’s worth mentioning that Sram’s cable stop doesn’t stick out in the first place. Of course, it also needs this little plastic wheel to get the cable going in the right direction. Shimano’s solution is to position their derailleur further under the chainstay to keep the whole thing out of harm’s way. All three companies have significantly different approaches to protecting their derailleurs, all of which are quite innovative. Because the Box One is meant to be used as a 1x11, there doesn’t appear to be a long or short cage version, just one size. It has less ground clearance than my Sram XO, but only by about half a centimeter. Yeah I went metric for you guys.
So at first glance the major plus sides to the Box One derailleur are that it’s simple and robust. The downsides are that it’s pretty big and kind of pricey. Let’s move on to the shifter.
This is where things start to get really interesting, because the Box One “Push Push” shifter only has one switch. Shifting into bigger gears is done just like Shimano or Sram, by pushing the lever forwards with your thumb. To upshift, you push that same lever laterally with the tip of your thumb. I don’t know if this is better or just different, but it’s certainly innovative. Alright let me show you guys something really cool, but first I need to rebuild my Sram GX shifter. I’ll just remove these little screws and take this little plate off and ghhaaaa!!! I’d rather buy a new one than open this can of worms. Now let’s say you’ve had a particularly rough season on your Box One, and you want to get it running like new. The whole assembly literally drops out of the shifter into your hand. Presumably, you could recklessly clean this entire thing in degreaser, re-lube it, and get it working like new. A user serviceable shifter will certainly win Box some brownie points.
When installing the Box One, I needed to take my grip and brake off to get the shifter on. It doesn’t have a two piece clamp, but no big deal. It nested under my Sram Guide brake lever nicely. I should have brought a new cable housing though, because I needed a few extra inches to reach the cable stop. So, my cables will be a little messy today. The rest of the installation went ridiculously smooth. I set the limits, adjusted the B screw, and tightened the cable to find it shifting perfectly. I’ll chalk this up to good luck. Time to hit the trails.
Most experienced mountain bikers could tell the difference between Sram and Shimano with their eyes closed. Shimano has a heavy clunky feel, while Sram has a light clicky feel. I actually like both of them with a slight preference for Shimano. On down shifts, the Box One feels more like Shimano than it does Sram, but the long lever feels totally different than both companies. Needless to say the lateral upshifts would be a new experience to anyone. I found it effortless to prod at it with my thumb, however I wouldn’t want to push it any harder. If things weren’t working optimally I could see this being annoying, but I don’t know for sure if that would ever be an issue. I got used to the Box One almost immediately. At no point during my ride did I reach for an invisible lever. Maybe it was because I was excited to use it and consciously thinking about it, or maybe because I’m used to demoing lots of different components.
The clutch seemed to work fine, and my bike wasn’t any noisier than usual. I had no problems shifting, and no regrets about putting the Box One on my bike. That morning, it performed as well as anything I’ve tried from Sram or Shimano. I liked it. It just feels fun and enjoyable to use.
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They're really thinking out of the box with that shifter
@chester371
7 жыл бұрын
Danny Rice *silence*
@DannyRice01
7 жыл бұрын
Doge Dont Care they weren't silent anyway. Their thought processes were not boxed in
@angeldustfather
7 жыл бұрын
Danny Rice hahaha
@DannyRice01
7 жыл бұрын
Spencer Han you got one up on me there
@OskarElek
7 жыл бұрын
It also helps that the shifter is nicely serviceable, not just a blackbox...
yup, user serviceable shifter. that is dope.
@kitten-inside
7 жыл бұрын
This is not that unique, actually. "Broken" shifter action is often just a matter of removing old, hardened lube, and regreasing the thing with some thin oil. You'll find YT videos on various models from Shimano and yes, SRAM. The general idea works for virtually all of them.
@JogieGlenMait16
7 жыл бұрын
Andrzej Sawicki thanks for that info, man. in fact i checked some vid after reading your suggestion. cheers.
@shimani141
7 жыл бұрын
i agree. but the Sram shifter is not a hard as everyone makes it out to be. i service them in my shop and i have troubles with 1-2 of 10 shifters. where the springs have been bent by the owners so i have to really be careful putting them back together. that's it tho.
@robivlahov
5 жыл бұрын
and cluch
@greedfox7842
4 жыл бұрын
I just busted my shifter lever... I was like: "I have to be able to fix this thing... at least enough to limp through one more run this weekend." bro I destroyed that thing, it sprang apart as soon as it came apart and I spent all day trying to get it back together. I finally just ripped the shifter off, pulled the wire off, zip tied my derailleur into low gear, and sent it... >:P
Have a like for metric units :)
@Gythem
7 жыл бұрын
Oskar Elek no
@OskarElek
7 жыл бұрын
***** so...how's the weather in the States?
@trentonh.6563
7 жыл бұрын
wet or moist or maybe dry
@skizz2272
5 жыл бұрын
@@Gythem tell me your weight in Kilogram
@Gythem
5 жыл бұрын
@@skizz2272 right now, I am 60 - 65 kg. When I made that I was probably around 50 kg
I wish I could give a second thumbs up just for using metric like a sane person.
@lavabite
3 жыл бұрын
It's a measuring system you dick. The imperial system is sane too.
@BigBoy-zb9jc
2 жыл бұрын
@@lavabite No it isn't.
@matthewmontgomerie7302
2 жыл бұрын
@@lavabite No it isn't... if you have 10mm and double the thickness you have 20mm. what do you have if you double the thickness of 11/16 of an inch?
@daydodog
2 жыл бұрын
@@matthewmontgomerie7302 22/16 LMAO
@matthewmontgomerie7302
2 жыл бұрын
@@daydodog Or inch and 6/16. Go and find 22/16 marked on a tape measure. Point proven.
I just busted my shifter lever... I was like: "I have to be able to fix this thing... at least enough to limp through one more run this weekend." bro I destroyed that thing, it sprang apart as soon as it came apart and I spent all day trying to get it back together. I finally just ripped the shifter off, pulled the wire off and zip tied my derailleur into low gear and sent it... >:P
any one else here watching in 2019 when we already know box is his sponsor
@RealMTBAddict
4 жыл бұрын
Not anymore
@owenpalmer5266
3 жыл бұрын
Yh
@owenpalmer5266
3 жыл бұрын
@@RealMTBAddict sad
@valesz4140
3 жыл бұрын
Wait box stopped sponsoring him?
But guys lets be honest here. We all know the grip shifters are the best
@mikieson
7 жыл бұрын
that would be a negative ghost rider..
@superfoxoffice3218
7 жыл бұрын
mikieson yeah
@mjmbiker
7 жыл бұрын
Superfox Office xrays ftw!
@k3anu16
7 жыл бұрын
totally. once i was hitting a jump shifted the gears and landed simultaneously breaking my derailer
@superfoxoffice3218
7 жыл бұрын
Keanu Rosal yup it happened to me too
Competition is always a good thing! I've got a dream to build a bike that has as many American-made components as I can get my hands on, so I had a silly hope that this would be made in the USA. That'd be a sure-fire way to differentiate yourself from the competition (and make it way pricier). I'll keep dreaming!
@consolehacker54
7 жыл бұрын
That would be great, but yes very expensive, and I'm not sure if you could even get every single component you need to build a bike that is manufactured in the US
@kitten-inside
7 жыл бұрын
The component part is especially troublesome. It's easy enough to manufacture a simple product "Made in ". It's quite different when you combine so many different pieces while trying to go for mass production.
@mazditzo
7 жыл бұрын
really ? if box want to go world wide they will move their production line sooner to asia
@rosomak8244
Жыл бұрын
@@mazditzo Sensa Microshift or rather Micronew and L-too are already formidable competitors there with a full range of well build quality products.
I like the way you do your videos, detailed, non-bias and most specially very clear speaking of words. Thanks mate
I'm not that into bikes and not really sure how I ended up here but I wanted to say that the MTB community is lucky with a guy like this. Nice videos man!
Seth, loving the style of these videos! Keep 'em coming. It has been fun seeing you develop your style and your videos become more and more pro, good job!
Congrats Seth for reaching 200k subscribers. I hope this channel continues growing every second and that you keep making amazing videos.
Just installed Box Two 1x11 last night. Love it so far
Im very happy BoxOne has sent you a shifter and derailleur. ive been contacting them to send me a test set as well. but no luck with that. im stoked to see your review in a month or two Seth! happy and healthy riding! Cheers!
So stoked you tested these out! I might have to try these out on my plus bike!
I'm all for Shimano, I can't live without bidirectional upshift
@macmurfy2jka
7 жыл бұрын
I really like that feature.
@diegovillacrez8349
4 жыл бұрын
Any body remember those cheap walmart bikes where you had to twist the handle bar to change gears? we've come so far.
@ondrej1112
4 жыл бұрын
@@diegovillacrez8349 My dad's 2012 1500$ Merida has them too. Sram used to make really expensive high end grip shifters
I'm stoked that they took on the task! Seems like a great company and people. The have a good presence on IG too which is nice and personable. Next time I have to purchase a derailleur I'll definitely try a Box.
it's amazing that you're riding the trails in December. Here in Canada the trails have been snow covered for over a month.
Great review. I haven't even heard about Box One yet, so thanks for cluing me in. I think it was a fair, unbiased, thorough review of the system. Very nicely done.
@gamby16a
3 жыл бұрын
@Reid Gilmore Before you insult my intelligence, learn to spell "sponsor" and "genius," fuckwit. I'm not up on his bio--I just watched the review, which was good.
The only reason I hate watching videos like this is because I don't have close to enough money for any of the stuff you review but I enjoy watching all your videos as they interesting and fun and I never get bored from them
I've got mine coming in the mail, the whole drive train. And then I see your video. Thanks seth
Thumbs up for metric system!
@Gythem
7 жыл бұрын
YourNickIsTaken I give thumbs down
@YourNickIsTaken
7 жыл бұрын
Parker - Happy holidays you to :)
@jeidun
4 жыл бұрын
Joe Weber how many feet are there in a mile? Just smack your keyboard like this- 1686482! How many meters in a kikometer? 1000 lol
@rhythmic6753
4 жыл бұрын
Jayden I think you need to chill, it literally doesn’t matter
@RealMTBAddict
4 жыл бұрын
👎
Good to know about the Box system Seth, thanks for the video
Dude, first video I have watched in a while that i was able to watch all the way through. Learned something new today, thank you very much!!!
Good stuff Seth, actually the best review I've seen of this gear.
Seth when you said "rebuild my SRAM shifter" I was like there's no way, so I laughed my ass off when your reaction was the same as mine was
thanks seth another amazing video. you really have a passion for biking.
Just got mine this week. I like it a lot so far. No complaints at all🤙🏻
Cheers for the good look at Box Seth. Been looking for info on this for so long as I want to try it. Different is what I wanted. Hopefully it lands here in Aus soon.
nice review and awesome vids as always Seth!!
You guys seem really nice and chill.
Congratulations on your 200,000 subs. Well deserved.
Looks like a pretty exciting trail you have there.
"Yeah, I went metric for you, guys" This is so caring, Seth, thank you
seth your so close to 200,000 subs ive been with you since 4k
Seth this was an awesome review and tottally unbiased don't listen to all the other people when you are just giving your opinion a companie could give you the best product ever and you could say it's awesome and they would still say it's biased
very interesting concept on the shifter.
Enjoying the videos. Keep'em coming
Nice review! The track looked nice as well.
please keep us updated on the Box. I've been interested in them, and have put off upgrading my Nomad to 1x11 till I hear some real reviews of them.
User serviceability wins me over, especially if they're willing to supply any lost or broken internal parts, or if they can be found at a hardware store or easily modified or fabricated. There's potential for tinkering! I dig it.
nice video seth keep up the good work !!!
Hi Seth!😉I'm a eleven-year old kid, I'm quite a beginner here when it comes to my MTB and I learn a lot from you when it comes to upgrades,repairs it helps me all the time you're a big help to me so,I just wanna say thank you Seth😀
I started riding road about 2-3 years ago and switched to BMX a year ago and this very much makes me want to get into working on and replacing my current road derailleur with a box one! I don't know if I'll switch asap, but definitely soon enough!
Nice trail! and great review!
Great review Seth.
Almost at 200K subscribers!! Nice work!
Love the look of the handmade trails
Fabulous bit of kit
good job seth keep it going my dude
Congrats on 200k subscribers!!!!!!!!!!
Gongrats on 200.000 subscricers Seth!!!
Good review, nice and honest almost yelled at my TV when you opened up the sram shifter. Been there done that bought a new one:(
Thanks seth all your videos are entertaining
Really dig your reviews seth. I like how you are honest and talk about things that I actually want to know about instead of just talking about tech bullshit ( cough pinkbike cough). Anyway, thanks for the awesome videos!
SETH CONGRATS ON 200 K SUBS!
Seth, thanks you for an awesome video once again, especially for subtitles :) I'm russian and i learn enlglish so it's always nice to see subtitles available! Also, you have a nice voice :D
@SethsBikeHacks
7 жыл бұрын
+bYJKEe thanks!
Awesome review!
Love it, was just considering Box for a new build and then i see this vid, nice one Seth, look forward to hearing of your update. Being this vid is from 3 years ago and i live under a rock and hadn't seen this vid till now, was there an update to how you got on with it and if so where do i find it?
200k subs woooooo. Congrats dude
congrats on 200K!
awesome video Seth, I've been wondering about these guys since they announced earlier this year, you should do more reviews on components man, also you should do a video a out carbon fiber mtbs vs aluminum I'm very on the edge with this, my previous bike was a diamondback mission and it was awesome but I want to upgrade and don't know if I want to take that leap into carbon frames, but they're are so many gorgeous carbon frames it hard to resist, again thanks again Seth awesome vid
hey Seth great videos they are awesome and useful
Hey Seth, congrats on reaching 200k subs been here since 150k can't wait to see you get to 1M
@sergejradovanovic4271
5 жыл бұрын
He got it xD
Close to 200k subs bro! Early congrats
@ethanconder4891
4 жыл бұрын
ah, I remember those days
I was laughing so hard that my face was blue at frickin mid night when seth saw the sram shifter and screamed
Nice video seth!👍
I was watching your video and I got the alert this video came up so I came to this one
Nice video, I like all of your videos that you have made you are one of my favourite youtube video makers😃. I like all of your bikes. Thank you for making all of your videos it gives me something to look forward too👍👍👍👍.
I have twist shifters at the moment so i'm pretty sure any other type of shifter is going to be an improvement.
thanks for taking the time to respond
congrats on 200k Seth
thanks, great video as always
I love how he puts the script in the description
Love the fact there is a new cool company out there. I also love their branding and design of their shifter I would like to se some variety of what they can come up with. Though it seems they are going to cleaning stick to the MTB crowd.
Those look like fun trails.
One day, you should come over to the UK to ride, it's not always warm, but the riding is great! Especially, the Lake District and my personal favorite, the Surrey hills.
@SethsBikeHacks
7 жыл бұрын
+NathanielMTB the UK looks rad!
at 2:23 that 'little plastic wheel' is actually a rollmajig. it should say avid on it as a nod to them as they first produced it until fairly recently, after sram bought them. they are designed to make shifting smoother and apparently used to be/are very popular.
I had a shifter that didnt have a spring that returned the upshift , so I had to pull it back with the side of my thumb, boy am I glad to not have that anymore
There is another drivetrain that is purpose built with mountainbiking in extreme conditions in mind. It's called the Rohloff Speedhub. It works without a derailleur and is extremely bombproof and maintenance free. You can even run a Gates carbon belt on it for even less maintenance. But it is prohibitively expensive and a bit heavy.
I so regret selling my Super V, loved the fork on that thing lol
Gonna get the sram x4 deraileur at the end of this month, looks great and i want a new one.
I don't know if you are already doing this but you should strava some times on a track you know by memory that requires quick shifting in many parts of the trail. That's usually the hardest part about shifting when you have to very quickly while manuevering the bike at the same time shift through a lot of the gear range. Usual example is pedalling into a short technical uphill with a high gear and then having to shift to a very low gear while pedaling and maneuvering the bike. You need the strava times to have some urgency, meaning on a normal ride you don't shift perfectly it's whatever but when racing you need to hit those shifts to reach the best personal times.
Hey seth, I was curious as to what trails you are riding in this video. I live in Florida and have never ridden these trails before and they look really fun. I've never seen berms like that here before.
wow i didnt expect to rewiev box components
CONGRATS ON ALMOST 200000 SUBS
the day is near Seth, when the effigear takes over. I can't wait. now they have engineered a thumb shift on it. low center of gravity, centralized mass, internal, belt drive! derailleurs are so ancient in their design. ì can't wait. no more chains, no more sloppy shifts, no more broken hangers. CAN'T WAIT! !! !
This really surprises me. I thought I was going to see a lot of reviews or "first look" type of articles in MTB websites before a video about it on KZread.
@Gythem
7 жыл бұрын
iainthavinthat that's the internet for you
@the.communist
7 жыл бұрын
iainthavinthat maybe its not welcome by the 2 mtb monopolios ( n their payees, the mtb media)
Interesting. I'd try one on a demo bike say but it would have to be pretty special for me to switch my sram out or even change to it after my sram wears out. But like Seth said, the more there are the better it is for consumers. That's for the videos Seth and Merry Christmas!
So close to 200k!!
2 vids in a row!
Now fast forward to the point where Seth's got a new Diamondback with all Box components
You finally got gloves! Love the fox digit btw. When I first saw the box on shifter I thought it would be weird to have a single push lever. I guess not though, I wouldn't dish out 200 bucks though for it, I'd rather stick to the affordable shimano SLX and Deore sets XD.
Seth!!! As you know, winter is coming up, and you need to build a ski bike and make videos about it
I'm building a new bike right now and I am just putting money aside every paycheck until I can afford SRAM Eagle 1x12 The cost is over double the cheapest 1x11 options but I think of it as a long term investment. Every aspect of the drivetrain is improved compared to 1x11 and the extra range it provides can be a huge help if you ever go bike packing. I'm also in no rush to finish the build since it's now winter time. Just waiting a couple weeks or a month longer to complete it will pay off in the many years I will own and hours I will spend riding on it
yeah! 200.000 subscribers!
I have an old suntour xct derailleur. The one I have sucks, and I generally get the whole assembly mis-aligned by light street riding, however has always been easily put back into place. But considering it has lasted over 20 years with hard shifting, and other things I'd say its a tank. I might switch to box though, it is a very compelling option.
You know what I think is great about it? It's different; being different is cool man.
I'll definitely have the invisible lever feeling. It takes me a bit to get used to my friend's Sram shifters that I'll use my index finger to feel nothing XD