We started FIT production in Houston last month. You have made great points.

I have a small, old house in the SF Bay Area. We installed a Carrier gas furnace 5 years ago and are now adding an electric heat pump to create a "duel fuel" system. Received quotes for Carrier (14 SEER), Daikin Fit (18 SEER), Lennox (14 and 16 SEER) and Bosch (18 SEER) systems. Ultimately decided to go with the Bosch for its flexibility and efficiency. Cost was also a (significant) factor and I got a great deal on the Bosch IDS Plus. It's being installed this Friday. Will report back with updates!

@jaysosa9568

11 ай бұрын

Updates,??

We had a Bosch installer put in a Bosch 2.0 IDS 3 ton 2 zone system. We are using two Emerson Sensi T55 thermostats. The system is awesome. Zero humidity issues because it was paired with the Bosch BVA 36 air handler. I did read about the humidity issues you spoke of, but I spoke with the installer and he said that usually happens been the system is not set up correctly . You actually did a video not too long ago on the topic. You were on pont when said the system needs to be set properly. Thanks again for videos.

@NewHVACGuide

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks pal. That's awesome!

Great suggestion on the thermostat. We launched exactly that. No separate dial. Displayed in AHR expo Atlanta.

I installed Bosch. Recently I saw your video ragging on them for their parts a availability. I was surprised and impressed. Then coincidentally, a week later the condenser fan motor went out on my own two month old BOVA 15-SEER. They tell me over three months to get one shipped. My condenser will be down until March. Went to comment on that video and just like the end of that video said, looks like Bosch managed to convince you to take it down, but normal contractors (and customers) without a boatload of followers on KZread are stuck with their terrible parts availability. I'm personally done with Bosch. Disappointed that you took that video down, but I bet they got your parts quickly when you posted it.

Josh, thanks for all that you post. I've been following your channel for a while and really used your content to jumpstart my HVAC 101. If I were living in VA instead of Seattle, you would've been the first person I would've called. It's been about 3.5 months of constant researching and a number of estimates. Finally narrowed down about 25 quotes (some installers gave multiple options) to three and my choice is between the Fit DZ17VSA481AA vs the Bosch BOVA-60HDN1-M20G. Mostly because of this video and some of the other videos / reviews I've read. Price is comparable. Have no noise / size restrictions for the outdoor unit. Warranties are somewhat comparable as the Bosch installer offers 10/10 (likely not an ABC to get the 11), there's another Bosch quote that's 11/3 warranty since they are an ABC but only offer 3 years labor. Daikin is 12/12 via the Asure warranty. Been going back and forth the past week and ultimately I'm thinking the differences are: -Do I want to stick with my Nest thermostat (I know, unofficially supported for the Bosch) or be pushed to use the Daikin thermostat -Clarification, am I comparing variable to variable? Both Bosch installers paired them w/ 2-stage variable furnaces (American Standard S8X2C100M5PSAA / Daikin DM80VC0804CN), thought the Bosch was just 2-stage but a quick search makes it look like both the Bosch and Daikin are variable -One of the comments below makes is sound like the Bosch is slightly more efficient? At this point, I still feel stuck in making my decision. All three installers have great reviews / ratings. I'm having additional new returns put in for capacity purposes, updating the plenums as they are all undresized, and possibly moving the furnace from the utility room to the other side of the wall into the crawlspace. Am I missing any details that could possibly sway me in one direction or the other?

@NewHVACGuide

2 жыл бұрын

Big decision pal! Main thing on which is more efficient is that the Fit will be the winner in that department since it’s a true communicating inverter regardless of seer. Glad to hear you’re getting the great warranties!

@Aieaboy

Жыл бұрын

What was your decision? Who did you go with Daikin installation?

@autodestination

Жыл бұрын

@@Aieaboy I went with Daikin. Josh (coincidence) from Green City Heating and Air was the company I chose if you happen to be in the Seattle area. If you are in VA, obviously Griffin should be your go to =T.

This has been a great video. It helped me decide 6 months ago to go with the Bosch system rather than the Daikin system, anticipating that both would be similarly quiet, with the Daikin (per your video) perhaps being a tad quieter. The Bosch system has performed exceedingly well this summer with a new two zone sytem in our 2400 sf two-story Sacramento-area home. Very even temp distribution. My beef with the Bosch IDS, however, is that the outside unit is running just about as loud as any 20 year old AC unit! And, in AC mode, it is on or off and when on, it is always on the same high speed (with an Ecobee thermostat). The Ecobee indicates that the second stage is sometimes on, but I don't notice a noise difference (or difference in fan speed in either the air handler or the outside unit). My Soundmeter app on my phone reads 72 db on my unit, at 3 ft away. The same phone app on my phone reads 52 db on my friend's Daikin Fit unit (for a 2700 sf two-story home here), installed about a year ago. My friend says it has been this quiet all summer and all last winter and appears to be truly variable speed. For heating on my Bosch unit, I only had a few cold days, just after the April 2023 installation. For heating it was similarly loud, but the speed of the outside fan was varying and it could go as low as 66 db. Still, a huge difference to the Daikin and neither acceptable nor in the spec noise range or as advertised. In my layperson's perception, much of the noise in the outside unit is from the fan, not the compressor. It sounds like an airplane propeller, even at lower speed. Like a rapid slapping of the air. The Daikin fan in my friend's outside unit is about as quiet as the Bosch IDS air handler fan in my attic. I am working with my installer to see about fixing this issue on the outside unit. Any advice / experience?

@matthewbraswell7974

8 ай бұрын

Hello, I am also in Sacramento. Do you mind sharing with me who you went with for the install and what you paid?

Very helpful....thank you!!

@NewHVACGuide

Жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

Thanks for this video, on the fence between the two. Leaning towards the Bosch since I love my Ecobee thermostats for the temp sensors, really helps to get a true average for my zones. Edit - Decided to go Daikin, will report back!

@NewHVACGuide

2 жыл бұрын

Let me know how it goes pal. I wish you luck!!!

@christopherdipaolo2690

Жыл бұрын

😊

@christopherdipaolo2690

Жыл бұрын

😅😅😅😅😅😊😅😅

@christopherdipaolo2690

Жыл бұрын

😅

Great video! A family member lives in Jacksonville Florida where it is normally warm and sometimes very humid, but during the winter it can get fairly cold. They seem to like the Daikin brand based on the warranty. So if you are familiar with the climate there, should they get a straight A/C with heating via the coils in the air handler which sucks electricity, or a heat pump that is much more efficient, but also costs more upfront? Also, I am assuming the FIT system you are discussing is more expensive than say their regular HVAC system. Is that correct, and if so, is the added upfront cost worth the extra cost over a standard Daikin system?

Daikin is better than Bosch except for one big reason. The Bosch condenser has an inverter that adjusts based on load but the air handler is only 2H-2c. Daikin is a communicating system in that the fan is not binary. It adjusts up and down based on need to keep your temperature constant and the compressor adjusts s as well. The one big issue with daikin is it does not meet requirements for the federal tax rebate, but Bosch does. That is difference maker for me to choose Bosch.

@NewHVACGuide

6 ай бұрын

The newer Fit meets the requirements for the rebates, But that was true before it came out.

It is good you take the time to do honest review. Can the Dakin fit operate as low as 25 per cent or less under certain circumstances and sizes of the unit?

@NewHVACGuide

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. I believe it's 25 or 30 percent

I'm looking at getting a Bosch installed, 2 tons for the main floor. What kinda of savings should I be looking for ballparked? Old system was a 3 ton 10 Seer heatpump that was 22 years old.

We just got a Bosch heat pump seer 2. Does Bosch carry a cover to protect from outdoor Elements. Especially when not in use.

I just replaced an old 13 SEER single stage unit with furnace with a 17SEER Daikin Fit Heat pump. I ran into two problems. 1) Surprisingly, there was absolutely no energy savings on my summer power bill. 2) It produces a loud buzzing noise in the wall in the winter. No real good reasons given for why the Daikin Fit wasn't more energy efficient. The manufacturer says the Daikin line sets run at higher pressures in general and especially in the winter. And this likely causes this buzzing in the walls. They suggest running the line set up the wall externally to remove the buzzing noise. Are you familiar with this issue? And will running the line set up the wall definitely remove the buzzing line set issue? Any feed back would be helpful. THANKS!!

The Fit air handler is true variable speed but I believe the Bosch is two stage. What is the difference in experience inside the house comparing variable speed with two speed?

@NewHVACGuide

2 жыл бұрын

Variable speed will ramp up down based on the load. They are like having 100 stages.

i have a question what size breaker does Daikin 5MXS need.

Are you certified through daikin. If so, is it worth it?

I'm interested in the heating capacity. I checked the heat capacity tables for the Bosch BOVA60 vs Daikin DZ17VSA60 at 32F outside, 70F inside it looks like the Bosch is about 15% more efficient. (Bosch 54.2 MBh @ 4.84 KW, Daikin 48.4 MBh @ 4.96 KW).

@NewHVACGuide

2 жыл бұрын

Surprising but I don't doubt it. I think the Fit can heat down to 4 degrees. I'm not sure about the Bosch.

@proxybox

2 жыл бұрын

Very cool. Where did you find the Daikin heat capacity table?

@NewHVACGuide

2 жыл бұрын

Will do

@carlneuman5958

Жыл бұрын

Bosch 2.0 operates down to - 4

@kmschwem

Жыл бұрын

@@carlneuman5958 It's taking a lot of power to transfer very little heat at that point. I'm not sure these bottom end operating temperatures are very useful.

I need a horizontal gas furnace. Does Daikin work this type of furnace?

@NewHVACGuide

2 жыл бұрын

Daikin has several options. Dual Fuel Fit won't be one of them. But you can do a Fit AC or DZ20, 18, 16, or 14.

My 20 year old Trane AC has failed and I would like to replace it with a Bosch 20 SEER heat pump utilizing my current Tempstar 95 % furnace in a dual fuel system. I also have a Honeywell VisionPro 8000 Wi-Fi thermostat, Honeywell and Sanuvox UV lights, Honeywell media filter, Honeywell outdoor thermometer and Honeywell Humidifier. . Two of the three contractors I have contacted say the thermostat is compatible with the Bosch heat pump. One does not, and recommends an Ecobee 6 Pro thermostat. Has anyone had any compatibility issues with the Honeywell thermostat and the 20 seer heat pump? The installer who recommended the Ecobee thermostat also wants to flush the line set rather than replace it. Is this acceptable? One question: With a VisionPro 8000 thermostat, in a dual fuel system how does the thermostat know when to switch over from the Bosch heat pump to the Tempstar gas furnace?

I have a question regarding a Daikin Vs Bosch heat pump 1.0. My wife has a health condition where her body and mostly her legs get hot and even for most on the winter our AC is on. We just moved into another house and after 2 months the ac compressor died. After having an HVAC tech check it out I asked him to check the furnance and found out the heat exchanger was cracked. Both systems were installed in 97. I am trying to see what set up would be the best fit for trying to keep the bedroom at 66 most of the year. Its a ranch house and dont really need to cool the whole 2000 sq ft and only the 250sq ft bedroom. I am looking at a Bosh 1.0 maybe 2.0 heat pump with a napolean 9700 furnance or some combo of a daikin mini split for the bedroom and get a new daikin ac and furnance for rest of house. I currently have a 3 ton unit and in NW IL close to Wis onsin, so it get very cold in some winters. I know i would need some kind if crank case heater and maybe a blanket to help with it freezing. I want the one that would save me the most on my electric bill. My previous house we had a carrier infinity with 5 zones. We lived in the house fot 18yrs and replaced the compressor after 12yrs. Which combo would be best for my situation?

@NewHVACGuide

2 жыл бұрын

Short answer to your long question is that any communicating inverter system is going to be more efficient typically than the technology that Bosch uses. Bosches are great and have really cool technology. However they don’t have the capability of true communicating inverter systems and the ability to ramp down among other things.

@davidlindon99

2 жыл бұрын

@@NewHVACGuide Thanks for your input. The clised Daikin Dealer is 45min away and thwy said they dont service my area,but if i out a system from them they would aervice it

Daikin has addressed the spin dial, it’s a true variable communicating system, Bosch no longer routinely has a big price advantage, daikin is made in USA ….much easier to keep side discharge clean esp re leaves in the fall ….when their enhanced fit comes out later this year, probably with larger condenser, possible game changer….

@NewHVACGuide

10 ай бұрын

I love your summary John!

Bosch is mostly Mitsubishi components. Right? But if Midea now that's fine😊😊. Daikon is sold as Ductless often?

@NewHVACGuide

Жыл бұрын

Midea

@johnpiek2750

Жыл бұрын

@@NewHVACGuide Daikon sold often as Ductless name brand?

@yf-yt2sp

Жыл бұрын

@@NewHVACGuide How does the Carrier 38MURA( Midea) compare to Daikon or Bosch?

Great video. Is there a way to estimate how much energy the FIT will use for heating? I'm trying to figure out whether to add AC to my gas furnace or start over with the FIT and go all electric since I have excess production from my solar system. Adding AC I was quoted 12k but the Fit system will be 15k.

@NewHVACGuide

2 жыл бұрын

There’s no easy way unless you know exactly how much you’ll be using the system.

@proxybox

2 жыл бұрын

@@NewHVACGuide Thanks! I downloaded the Daikin expanded cooling data charts for the FIT and can guestimate based on outdoor ambient temperature what the approximate kW the unit will draw. Is this a really rough way to estimate? Also, can you explain why a heat pump uses less energy as the outdoor temperature drops in heating mode? Has my mind spinning. Thanks!

@proxybox

2 жыл бұрын

Of course, I would guess how many hours per day I would be using the system to heat and multiplying that to annualize the kwh for heating.

I agree strongly. The thermostat is TRASH! It's the main reason I don't want it

50 billion (diakin) 70 billion (bosch) Bosch also has Boilers (germany), tankless (portugal), geothermal (usa made). 6% of every car is Bosch, so your driving a Bosch, like it or not.

@NewHVACGuide

2 жыл бұрын

They’re definitely big. 🙂 A lot of the companies are owned by big corporations.

Trashcan style 😂. Is this a subtle message ?

just for reference... Bosch is the largest engineering company in the world.

@NewHVACGuide

10 ай бұрын

I don't think that's accurate.

@mondvogel6124

10 ай бұрын

@@NewHVACGuide i think it is. Bosch has > $ 90 bn in revenue per year with >420,000 employees and they are the worlds largest automotive supplier. That makes them bigger than similar heavy hitters such as GE, Mitsubishi etc

@mondvogel6124

9 ай бұрын

@@allendrix Siemens has about 77 BN revenue 2022 so still lower than Bosch. Bosch and Siemens only cooperate on some endeavors, specifically kitchen appliances (BSH, "Bosch Siemens Haushaltsgeräte"). Other than that, they are entirely different companies

I live on Long Island, NY. I had to take out 2 $25,000 loans. I paid the higher interest rate one off with the rebate check. My utility upped the rebate to $37,000, I have no idea why, but happy. My was new construction because of a house fire so I used contents money for the down payment. I had a Bosch 2.0 installed and this is what it cost me. HEATING AND AIR CONDITIONING: New Mini-Split System: Supply and Install a new High Efficiency AC/Heat Pump system ( Mini-Split - 1 Head). Includes New: multi-stage condenser, wall mounted heads, line sets, and Remote(s). New Air Source Heat Pump (3 ton): New (17+ SEER) (10+ HSPF) Energy Star Plus Ducted Split Inverter Air Source Heat Pump/Air Conditioning. Includes New: multi-stage condenser, evaporator coil, air handler, condensate pan.) New Air Source Heat Pump (4 ton): New (17+ SEER) (10+ HSPF) Energy Star Plus Ducted Split Inverter Air Source Heat Pump/Air Conditioning. Includes New: multi-stage condenser, evaporator coil, air handler, condensate pan.) COLD CLIMATE Condenser(s) will be installed (Qualifies: Rate Code 580 for PSEG upon completion). New multi level Exposed insulated supply duct(s) will be installed and intgrated in with distribution system. New Exposed insulated supply duct(s) will be installed and intgrated in with distribution system. New insulated return duct(s) will be installed and intgrated in with distribution system. A new trunk will be fabricated, installed, and integrated into the distribution system. Includes sealing and insulating as necessary. New Electronic Damper zone control will be added. 3 Smart thermostat(s), Phone App not supported by HEE. Electric Hook-up. Home runs for air handler, condenser, water heater and bath fans. HOT WATER SYSTEM: Hybrid/ASHP (65-Gal) Systems: New 65-Gal Hybrid Air Source Heat Pump Hot water tank will be installed. PEARL CERTIFICATION: Upon completion of this project you will be sent a Pearl Certification and report at no additional cost ($269 Value). ADDITIONAL NOTES: Deposit $8,687 at signing, $9,000 due at start of project, $9,000 due upon completion. Homeowner to have a 200 AMP panel installed with at least 6 slots open prior to work beginning. Homeowner to have oil tank removed from premises before work is started. Contract Price $ Deposit $ Program Rebate to you Home Comfort Rebate Total PSEG Rebate to you Total Balance $ 76,537 0 -26,687 down payment 0 -600 -35,100 35,700 49,850 balance $25,000 paid $25000 owed to bank at $176 a month for 15 yrs. Approximate Start Date Approx. Comp. Date 8/31/2022 10/20/2022 I have solar too so hopefully it off sets my electric bill. We'll see as I'm not in my home as of yet.