Something I have always thought is that his "first drink" as a young child doesn't look like a first drink to me. He sneaks in, he knows what the situation is, he takes a gulp from vodka and doesn't cough or splutter at all despite his age.... This feels like a regular occurrence after the many parties they do.

@impulsivepessimist

7 ай бұрын

this is actually a really good point. my girlfriend & i have spent probably literal hours talking about that scene & i never realized that he doesn't even flinch. a 5 year old SHOULD flinch if that's their first sip of *vodka* ): holy shit.

@eileensnow6153

7 ай бұрын

That’s definitely how I interpreted it. That’s probably the first time he can _remember,_ and that’s just crushing.

@Amenema

7 ай бұрын

I think this plays into the point he makes too, that Bojack doesn't remember his first drink. That final scene of him drinking ends with the "film" burning away to indicate him burning away his memories. This likely was a recovered lost memory for Bojack, but who knows how many burnt memories are lost forever due to him drinking at a very young age.

@ChesterFish

7 ай бұрын

@@impulsivepessimist Also the fact that there is a record still playing. One side of a record album is between 15 and 30 minutes. The party is died down and everyone else is gone. So either the last ones to leave the party put on the music or one of Bojacks parents did. If it was one of his parents then they were awake 15 minutes prior. Bojack was probably waiting in his room waiting for this moment, and it's happened enough times that he knows that music doesn't need to stop before it is "safe" to come out.

@nationalinstituteofcheese3012

7 ай бұрын

He coughed and struggled when he first smoked but not when he drinks at that same age

You know some people don't believe that New Year's party was the first time he drunk. He's around 5 or 6 and took three gulps of straight vodka without even flinching, as if he was used to it. I have a theory about that, you know that old trick people used to do where they put alcohol on a baby's gums to stop the irritation? Then that flashback of Beatric desperately trying to get baby Bojack to stop crying? I wonder if Beatrice at some point had a little help to stop the crying.

@castaway2850

7 ай бұрын

people used to deadass give their infants booze back in the day to make them stop crying. i’ve heard of it happening as late as the 1970s, and bojack was born in the 1960s.

@princessmarlena1359

7 ай бұрын

My parents did that with me and my siblings.

@genericname2747

7 ай бұрын

​@@princessmarlena1359That's concerning

@princessmarlena1359

7 ай бұрын

@@genericname2747 meh, we turned out -alcohol- okay.

@kimber_renee

7 ай бұрын

THIS

His first drink always makes me think of his line about how they were all drowning and didn't know how to save each other, but at least they were drowning together

@Bpaynee

7 ай бұрын

Sending a hug

I love that "horse therapy" gag as if he would be grooming and riding horses and then its a therapist who is a horse. 😂

@gracekim25

7 ай бұрын

Yeah it was pretty funny 😂

@Zinyak12345

7 ай бұрын

Unfortunately for Bojack, that's only almost true. Turns out a therapy horse still isn't the same thing as a horse that is a therapist. Most importantly in terms of confidentiality.

Hang on I just realized something, something that most people don't realize watching this episode. Bojack shames that girl for being in rehab multiple times and says that if you have to do it more than once then it's a sign you're a lost cause, but going over all those flashbacks just makes me realize that this isn't bojack's first relapse. He's done it again, and again, and again, it makes me wonder if that's why he's taking so long to go to rehab. Like he's tried to stop but relapse so many times that he just didn't care anymore as he got older until everything that happened.

@jasongaspe7379

7 ай бұрын

Wow nice catch! That does seem plausible and perhaps why he already looks bored of doing it. Sarah Lynn was on that picture wall at the rehab and she was sober for a while before they went on that binge together. There’s been proof around him that rehab can work but maybe that’s why he’s so bitter about it, because he’s done it before and doesn’t believe it can work for him.

@matti.8465

7 ай бұрын

Maybe one reason Bojack didn't want to do rehab was because if he relapsed afterwards, then that'd just prove he's a lost cause.

@lordfreerealestate8302

6 ай бұрын

Good catch. His hypocrisy, self-righteousness, and projection are often palpable. Like when he shamed Diane for "living in a mansion her husband paid for and tweeting for a living" while he was willing to accept an Oscar for a film he was deepfaked/edited into instead of actually starring in it.

I just realized that “Horse Therapy” Is an incredibly subtle form of foreshadowing. They call it “Horse Therapy” when it’s usually referred to as Talk Therapy, but later on in the season we learn that “Horse” Therapy is exactly what Bojack needs since he has a subconscious aversion to other horses!

@Archman155

6 ай бұрын

it also foreshadows that later on he is revealed to not be a proper licensed therapist but just a therapy horse, so patient-client confidentiality doesnt apply to him, ending in him giving the reporters all bojacks confessions and causing that second interview

@theorangeoof926

5 ай бұрын

@@Archman155I feel like you could build a lawsuit out of this for being misleading

@meghan253

2 ай бұрын

@@Archman155he even identified Sharona as a fellow alcoholic on live TV bc his THERAPIST spilling that info was probably unimaginable

I never thought Bojack's "first drink" when he's four or five was actually his first. He's takes such a big swig, and no coughing, choking or digust. He's definitely drank before, and he most definitely doesn't know when his real first drink was.

The "I'm the one who will have to lie about what happened tonight" line is so crazy to me. It really shows his self absorbed mindet and that he already knows he'd lie again.

This is by far one of the most underrated episodes in the series. I love how each flashback gradually shows how Bojack was influenced by alcohol at a younger and younger age

@lacquerluster

7 ай бұрын

It's heartbreaking, and the burning film effect really adds to it.

@johnni-raecalzada2500

7 ай бұрын

I wonder if Bojack has fetal alcohol syndrome (for anyone that doesn’t know this condition is a potential result that happens when the mother drinks during the pregnancy and sometimes it makes the child born into alcoholism but I’m not sure if women were discouraged from drinking during pregnancy in the 60s the decade Bojack was born. I know this because I took a psychology class last year before graduating from high school and I plan on taking classes with child psychology and make a career working with children)

@zachausler-rawle3773

7 ай бұрын

@@johnni-raecalzada2500 well Bojack’s first time drinking was because of a party which led to leftover vodka lying around. I think he just drank it to be like his parents - mostly his mum - hence why he cuddles up to her after he took a swig. Not sure if it was because of fetal alcohol syndrome especially since for a period in his 20’s he wasn’t drinking at all

@md-vq8sp

4 ай бұрын

@@zachausler-rawle3773 Tbf fetal alcohol syndrome doesn't mean that child was dependent on alcohol from a young age, they might have to be tapered off when they are born. Often addictions do run in families tho due to normalisation look at sid vicous and his mother.

Sometimes I can’t believe this show ended 3 years ago, right before the pandemic. It still feels like recent memory.

One important and heartbreaking detail, the record playing in the scene when he first drank, keeps scratching and replaying… until he takes the swig of alcohol.

@Alphabittled

7 ай бұрын

Another thing, I’ve seen a theory that jamesons baby has fetal alcohol syndrome, if you look closely the kid shows some physical features of it

@trustedroot

7 ай бұрын

​@@Alphabittlednever even noticed that. excellent observation

You opened my eyes to the comparisons between him "taking care" of this girl and saying he'd be the one who'd have to "lie about it later" and what had happened with Sarah Lynn. There's always something new to unpack with this show.

@Steven9567

5 ай бұрын

i don't think writers thought of the 17 mins at the time though he felt bad cause he drag her into a drug binge and lied about the drug that killed her

Bojack has become one of those milestone shows in my life. I've never felt so better understood as far as my mental health goes, and I'm so thankful I found it.

@deepbluetree3444

4 ай бұрын

Same for me, unfortunately when I saw the show I recognized a lot of the toxic traits the characters displayed were present in me too. Thankfully, the show was a bit of a wake up call for me, and I went back to therapy. It’s been 4 years now and I’m far from where I want to be, but I’m a completely different person from who I was and I’m better off for it. So are those around me.

@littlelibraryofhorrors

4 ай бұрын

@deepbluetree3444 I'm really happy for you. I'm in the process of going back to therapy, myself. I think it's been too long of me trying to handle it myself and I'm ready for help.

@deepbluetree3444

3 ай бұрын

@@littlelibraryofhorrors Thats great! its awesome to hear you're ready to try again. i wish you the best of luck in finding a therapist that you click with, itll be hard but dont give up!

@frozenhispanic3912

3 ай бұрын

​@@deepbluetree3444 I'm proud of you :D

To me the point of the episode is that his earliest memory of drinking is at the new years party, where he cuddles up with his mother, is that he doesn't look like he's trying alcohol for the first time, he would have had a reaction. Rather it seems to me like he genuinely doesn't even remember the first time he drank. Alcohol has always been his escape from his anxiety and allowed him to form the connections with the people in his life that he's always wanted, starting with his parents.

To me the main reason why BoJack actually began taking the accountability was the fact Jameson was a mom, as we know Beatrice wasn't the greatest mother but the fact that she was drunk who couldn't stand BoJack and so seeing Jameson try to love her child even with all of her issues made something in him feel that made him want to take accountability.

I think the reason Bojack was so shaken when he learned about Jameson's baby is because it shifted his perspective about the whole situation. Up to that moment he was relating to her as a difficult child, an addict, a girl who wouldn't help herself - someone like him. When he learns that she is a mother he probably starts relating even deeply to her child, due to his own experience with alcoholic parents. He probably thought that Jameson's baby could be the next to take a sip of vodka before cuddling up into his mother's lap - which yes, totally looks like a habit little Bojack developed to get a shred of a connection with Beatrice and Butterscotch, to be with his family - even though it was only to drown together. Thanks for another great breakdown, keep them coming next year, too! Can't wait for your take on Head in the Clouds :)

@frannelly

7 ай бұрын

(ps: Am i crazy or Kathy, Bojack's schoolmate, looks a bit like both Sarah Lynn and Diane?)

I have this problem where I compulsively watch this show, start to finish. I've done it now, probably between 15 and 20 times, while working on projects. Despite this, you still manage to blow my mind with Bojack saying he'll have to lie to everybody about Jameson escaping, and her "getting fat" junior year when she was actually pregnant. So many details to this show--don't stop making these reviews, there's so much every time.

@jamiegreenberg8476

7 ай бұрын

its so weird bc i was a junior in hs when season 6 came out and i thought the jameson reveal was insane watching it now, also as a junior (now in college!) jameson implaying that her ex broke up with her for just thinking shes fat (meaning she didnt tell him about the pregnancy) made me realize how young she truly is and the situation shes in

I think Bojack in rehab is a good example of a person working therapy, not working WITH therapy. He's not really using it to help himself and breakdown the barriers and trauma he went through, he's playing at it. Kinda like putting on a performance, which a lot of people do in real life. They go through the motions and say and do things the therapist/therapy would want them to do.

The last scene is with kid Bojack sneaking a swig, but I get the feeling Beatrice gave him alcohol as a baby to deal with teething.

I love this episode! And anything with interesting chronological storytelling. One detail I saw someone point out about the Jameson reveal is that it changed who Bojack projected onto. Before, he helped her escape and lashes out on her dad's memorabilia because he thought her father was neglecting her. But after the truth about her baby comes out, he realizes Jameson is a broken alcoholic neglecting her own child due to an inability to confront her issues -- like BoJack's own mother.

It's really powerful how the start of the episode is him not committing to rehab, seeing Sarah Lynn selfie and the apparently start trying for real. Then we learn the whole episode it wasn't actually doing anything real and did it only after the whole ordeal with Jameson, an addict teenager and a mother. The two figures that destroyed him the most Btw the rehab song is in my playlist ever since I finished the series. Maybe from the submarines

@sawah765

5 ай бұрын

if you mean addict teenager = sarah lynn, I don't think Sarah Lynn hurt him in any way. It was just the guilt of his own actions that hurt him.

I am so happy to be getting more Bojack content

Every time Johnny posts a Bojack video, it re- motivates me to rewatch the entire series again. I rewatch it, I think it’s enough.. but it’s never really enough. The show is just so darn good.

Watching this after a relapse on a nearly two year sobriety. Just want to let you know Johnny your interpretation and viewpoints on everything Bojack especially his sobriety is really impactful. Thank you.

I love that even the name of the teen mom character in rehab, Jameson, is also a popular brand of Irish whiskey. I don’t know if this was a deliberate choice by the writers but it’s a really nice touch. Another banger as always, Johnny!

Bojack will always have a special place in my heart, despite how controversial and misunderstood his character is. He's the deepest, most realistic depiction of addiction, mental illness and trauma I've ever seen. Ofc he isn't a representation for all people, and I do worry that his extreme behavior and personal flaws contribute to the negative way society sees addicts and the mentally ill, but despite the flaws, Bojack Horsman is a great show and a great character. It's such an accurate depiction of the trauma addicts usually have, the constant guilt and self-hate, the conflict and the desperation. The ending of the show ended up being kinda melancholic and vague, but I'd like to think that Bojack did change and grow, and got his happy ending. Because if Bojack can do it, so can anyone else.

@Animated341

7 ай бұрын

I think that as these things become more discussed, they sort of often become more sugar coated. Like, there are consequences to being an addict, and to being mentally ill. As someone who is in an intensive outpatient treatment program right now, because I was cut off from all my friends for one particular bad coping mechanism I engaged in, it's true. We hurt people, but we don't mean to. I think a lot of what this show makes me think about is forgiveness in the face of that. Or the lack thereof. His relationships are stepping into the line of fire, and we ask ourselves is it for better or for worse? Would they be better off having not been in his life? But mental illness doesn't exist in a vacuum, and support networks are an important part of healing and recovery.. but then do we need our loved ones as much as we think we do or is it better to isolate until we're.. healed? Fixed? I'm not sure. God I miss everyone.

@ndm13

7 ай бұрын

The thing I love most about Bojack is that he never gets away with stuff. Every action has consequences. I think in terms of portrayal of addiction and impulsive behavior it's actually a very important lesson to communicate that not nearly enough media presents. "Oh, he's a dark troubled protagonist who doesn't always do the right thing." Does he have to deal with the results of his bad choices days, weeks, months, years later? Do things that he does in the show actually traumatize him and form a foundation for him healing, or is it just some vague backstory (or worse, an excuse to let them be a bad person)? Bojack's conceit of an actor adapting from a sitcom world where everything works out automatically to real life is, in a sense, a commentary on this formula, and I have massive respect for it.

@kaitlyn__L

7 ай бұрын

@@ndm13 that meta-narrative layer, where they're basically rejecting the standard TV method of continuity and moral stakes is definitely one of my favourite parts too.

@quirkyblackenby

6 ай бұрын

I don’t think he’s misunderstood honestly. I just think a lotta people excuse his behavior while others think he’s a POS.

@Nyxthebat04

6 ай бұрын

@@quirkyblackenby Hence him being misunderstood. He's neither a saint nor an irredeemable POS.

I know you’ve hit up a lot of the “best” episodes of Bojack Horseman (and honestly, they are the best imo), but I love that you’re still going through episodes like this. This is one of those series that continues to stick with me, and getting to revisit aspects of it that I may not have given a lot of attention to on first watch is a real treat.

Bojack kicks back the vodka straight without chaser as a child, and doesn’t appear to even react. There’s no way that was his first time taking a drink.

Bojack Horseman is rich enough that watching these videos is really worthwhile, because there are different ways to think about what's going on and it's worth exploring that. Thanks! And I will now steal a meal from Neil McBeal (Navy SEAL). Honestly, the joining of deep themes with silliness in Bojack is just brilliant.

@chrisgreen8803

7 ай бұрын

There’s nothing the least bit funny about stealing a meal from Neal MacBeal the navy seal 😂

@nilesoien4439

7 ай бұрын

@@chrisgreen8803 I will now dial into a TV show to argue my case. I'm sure it will go well.

Getting his ass thrown in jail for breaking into his former house/pool after losing everything in a lawsuit was probably the only kick to the ass to get him on the right track.

I've always said, the plot synopsis of Bojack Horseman is "A horse walks into a bar, bartender asks 'why the long face'"

Whenever we need top quality Bojack videos, There are you to deliver them Johnny I swear your review vids on this series never fail to make us smile! A very Happy Holidays to you Johnny! "A Horse Walks Into Rehab" is a very interesting episode, It was nice to see that Bojack was at least trying to attempted to turn his life around.

The flashback to Bojack catching his dad cheating is so dark in that it it implies that his dad drugged him. So how many people did he do that too before and since?

This series hit SO different once I started my own recovery. Recently started rewatching the whole thing again once I hit my 90 day sobriety mark… I’m seeing so many connections I just didn’t see the previous 2-3 times I watched it. Sending positive vibes out to everyone going through their own recovery journeys. Easy Does It… but DO IT. 😃👍

The really sad part about the first time he drinks? Is he's cuddled up next to his passed out mom. It's the only time he's actually that close to her physically and he knows it. He knows he's not going to be able to be that close to her and feel safe when she's conscious and sober. It's a heartbreaking version of bittersweet.

I've occasionally commented and I've posted snippets of my life in other parts of social media but I guess to anyone it might relate: The ending of the season before this was the final push to get me to try therapy. I spent the whole show relating to Bojack, while also knowing "I'm not as bad as him." Then the season ended with him going to rehab. I struggled cuz if I am not as bad as him, then what's my excuse to not also try and get help? Both myself and Bojack didn't know if rehab/therapy would do anything but I just saw him head towards it so...yeah. I was in therapy when this episode/first half of the season dropped, and it's honestly a surreal experience to watch him go through the motions. It's honestly still wild to me now, even just looking back on this. I did A LOT of what Bojack did in how he deflects to how he thrives, but I did not even realize I was doing it at the time. I think that's why this show will always be my comfort show. I get reminded to why I do some things now, or I remember the headspace I was in before and notice an obvious difference to who I am now, among many other things.

Hell, I don't even think that sip we see little child Bojack take before he curls up with his mom was his first drink either. He downs it a lot better than you'd expect any kid to, and he seems to know exactly how it's going to effect him as he does it. That's not an ignorant child taking his first sip, that's a- well still ignorant child, already becoming an addict to cope with his parents' abuse

I know you put in an enormous amount of effort into these analysis videos and your work does not go unnoticed. BoJack Horseman is my favorite show (as it is for many who watch your content) and I encourage you to continue making these. Your fans appreciate your thoughtful analysis, never forget x

This episode helped me find the courage to go to my first AA meeting… forever grateful for this show and especially this episode 🤘🏻

One of my all time favorite episodes from the show and should get mentioned more as one of its best. Thanks for covering it

I always love seeing these bojack videos. Thank you Johnny 2 Cellos.

I wish we still had Bojack

I literally just got done rewatching bojack what a time for this to come out

Probably the best 2Cellos episode yet. Had to watch it 2 times, thank you so much Johnny

pleaaasseee never stop making bojack videos i know theres only so many you can do but they immediately become the highlight of my day !!!!

I don’t think I’ve ever been this early to a video before! I love your Bojack analysis videos so much, I rewatch that playlist all the time so I’m super happy for a new one!

SO EXCITED FOR THIS THIS EPISODE IS SO GOOD

Such a great video and episode choice. This is probably my favourite season premere!

As usual, amazing writing. This work displays the depths and intricacies beautifully. Thank you

These videos always make my day, thanks for uploading great content as always!

Nice to see the bojack episode analysis are back.

I'm really glad you're still doing bojack content. ❤

god i was just on a spree watching your old bojack analysis videos and you just came out with a new one! love ur content 🫶

YOO NEW J2C VIDEO!!! (I have seen every single bojack video at least 6 times probably more)

I went to rehab when I was about to turn 20 after two failed suicide attempts and being diagnosed with BPD and alcoholism. The same point you made at the start of the video is what happened to me when I talked to my doctors: “you’re not doing what it takes to be better”. That’s when my brain finally made the connection and started to *really* change for the better. Earlier in the show, someone said this quote: “it gets easier. But you have to do it everyday, that’s the hard part”. It does get easier. But you need to put effort into your own recovery and happiness

amazing video as always!

Man if the show wasnt over, I'd say the show has to hire you. Your videos are fantastic and are the whole reason i started watching it.

4:18 Dude, I've totally missed that! That's such a cool detail! Great work Johnny, as always! Would love to hear you explain Say Anything or Downer Ending next!

Your BH breakdowns are EVERYTHING to me. Even years later the show has such rich content to dissect. And you have an especially analytical eye

I literally just watched this episode today!!! 🤣🤣 Thank you so much Johnny I LOVE your Bojack Horseman videos!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🎉

NEVA been so early on a BH video. this is my fav yter to watch for these video essays

Happy holidays man! Great way to start the month ❤️❤️❤️❤️🎄🎄🎄🎄

YES!! ANOTHER EPISODE OF BOJACK EXPLAINED! I LOVE THESE SO MUCH AND IVE BEEN BINGING BOJACK!

All right, new video! I loved this episode, though the final scene absolutely broke my heart. Poor little BoJack never got a moment's affection from his mother but he still wanted her love, and he clearly loved her and wanted to please her, but knew he wasn't going to get to cuddle up with her if she was awake. :(

@PS-dm1dq

7 ай бұрын

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Brilliant video as always 🎉🎉🎉 Thank you 🙏

your deep dives always blow me away johnny, thank you for revealing another layer in the onion we call Bojack Horseman

I love still getting BoJack content after it finished😭I can't believe there were still some details I didn't notice despite rewatching this show so much!

This show is just so incredible no matter how many times I see it it hits me in a deep spot like no other media does

Please don’t stop making these bojack video dissection videos they are fantastic

I love your Bojack videos, I hope you continue to make more!

@Johnny2Cellos

6 ай бұрын

No plans to stop!

@TheKlutz31013

6 ай бұрын

@@Johnny2Cellos yay!!

Johnny droppin new banger lights up my day

Keep it up. Theres still so much there

Just a comment to say I really appreciate the work you put into these videos 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

Babe wake up new johnny2cellos Bojack video dropped

Yesss!! Such an underrated episode, IMO.

Seeing when wasn’t the first time I drank as a question instead of a joke is a crazy way of thinking about it that I never did before watching this vid

Congrats on 400k

you never miss!!!

Awesome video :D

Thank you so much for explain !!! I thought this episode is aired after the episode That’s too much man

Yes!! Always LOVVEE a bojack video!

I always appreciate a bojack video!

You will not believe who just rewatched the whole series and this whole channel yesterday to come here and find a new video

Not me on a Saturday morning with a big bowl of my favorite cereal 👀 I love your content on bojack so much

I love your Bojack videos.

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As someone with an addictive personality, i struggle with this a lot. That part of being good at the system and that itself not helping is so true cause in my experience it was like that. I had to help myself more. But I also tend to move from one addiction to another as rehab which makes me relapse a lot. To rehab can be easy but it's being constant is such a struggle for me.

it's ironic that the positive change was his downfall. before his escape with Jamesson Bojack, presumably, deflected all talks about his past, not just his first drink, but most likely the Sarah Lynn abd Penny stuff too. so him making a positive change and opening up to Dr. Champ is what ruined his life when Dr. Champ eventually told everything to Biscuits

Hey, congrats on 400k subscribers!!

@Johnny2Cellos

7 ай бұрын

Thanks!

HOORAY NEW BOJACK VID

This one is so underappreciated, but this is one of my favorite episodes.

I love your new theme music, I'm thinking of having one made myself.

Just rewatched the series, I got to this one and realized something about his first drink and why he cant talk about it. It could be obvious, but I was always distracted by how calm his parents were and how young he was and how sad it was. I just realized that real addiction came from that moment when he was finally able to be held by his mother and feel comfortable and loved.

yay! another bojack viedo! :D

not getting a reeces ad before this

Ah I do love a good analysis 😊

@ 9:07 Bojack was born 2 January. Anyone born on 1 January has the same age throughout the entire year, for Bojack: his age is one number on Christmas Day, then a different number for the rest of the year.

Helped me cope with my inpatient treatment. I was really embarrassed that I was institutionalized in the first place

I love these videos

Thank you for this video, it really helps me to understand what is going with my life. My problem is that I'm impatient and when I am, it turns into more and more problems. If I work on this, everything will be better again. Because when I'm impatient, I turn alcoholic, drug addict, a loser with girls, lonely,... But I'm not all of that when I'm not impatient. Thank you ❤