Crim literally giving Tomer the “You and I are not so different” speech

@smarzu6872

2 жыл бұрын

He is a villain after all

@LadyMorrigan

2 жыл бұрын

standing here, I realize you were just like me....

@colboy1fish

Жыл бұрын

​@@LadyMorrigan Scrambleverse Son! It scrambles permanents in response to your teferi's protection.

Congrats to Richard and his little Angel token

@joeyreynolds2975

2 жыл бұрын

Are you sure it isn't a frog lizard?

@Vertze

2 жыл бұрын

@@joeyreynolds2975 definitely a kithkin.

@justharry2190

2 жыл бұрын

might be a changeling you never know

@juanabreu3002

2 жыл бұрын

Baby Bird Token.

@Kryptnyt

2 жыл бұрын

Kobold.

"Stepping up to _Phil_ his shoes" I see what you did there Tomer XD and congrats Richard!

Tomer: I don’t want to give anyone any ideas Also Tomer: *gives everyone very specific idea about how to make his least favorite card even worse*

I would have loved to see the professor go up to Crim and yell “You have a KZread channel?!”

You guys should make a podcast on what Silver-bordered cards you'd like to see rule 0'ed into commander. I'd love to see Crim's take on Gerrymandering.

This was by far Crims best episode. "I had a Blood Moon and a Naked Singularity on the board so that was funny, I couldn't cast any of my spells tho so that was kinda unfortunate" made me lose it. You can't get mad at him for locking out the table if he also locks out himself

@kingfuzzy2

2 жыл бұрын

Absoposilutly

@bladetb3934

2 жыл бұрын

You can because for you to make that play is so beyond stupid. Sorry I value my time and don't wanna sit there and look at the table for the next 35 min and hope someone can do something to end this garbage.

@Lucat27

2 жыл бұрын

@@bladetb3934 boooooo.

@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena

2 жыл бұрын

@@bladetb3934 you could always scoop when it happens

@wesleywyndam-pryce5305

10 ай бұрын

​@@bladetb3934 so go play solitaire then?

This was a blast. The Crim/Tomer contrast is endlessly entertaining.

Explaining conceptually the difference between Reality Shift vs Naked Singularity, look at the back of your magic card. The blue one makes your mana produce the opposite on the color wheel (blue unaffected). That's why the artwork is a thing being twisted diagonally to represent the color swapping on the color wheel. The artifact instead turns the color wheel. It's why the art is of a swirling effect. The entire color wheel is basically rotated two times counter clockwise. The land of the corresponding color makes whatever color is instead two color pips counterclockwise on the back of your magic card.

REMINDER ABOUT CUMULATIVE UPKEEP REMINDER: The mechanic works by putting "age counters" on the permanent. So, Naked Singularity + Chisei, Heart of Oceans (or something similar) = no paying the upkeep

@WeebsUnite

2 жыл бұрын

Came in here to say this; typed out my comment then saw you beat me to it 😂

@kriosuranous3440

2 жыл бұрын

You still have to play 3 every turn, the upkeep cost just doesn’t increase every turn with chisei. The only way to prevent cumulative upkeep costs (that I know of) is solemnity or an opponent having a vorinclex.

@greysonmiller9407

2 жыл бұрын

@@kriosuranous3440 But hey we playin 5c so we got those! Also didnt know that thanks for the info

@kaszael

2 жыл бұрын

you can also play Solemnity to never have to put an age counter on them. I have an enchantress deck that uses it to keep cumulative upkeep permanents on the board.

@SmashPortal

2 жыл бұрын

Just a reminder that you can't run these cards in Chisei because both of them have a WUBRG color identity.

Having Richard replaced by Phil and prof and Vince making cameos really made this the perfect chaos episode

21:13 "Are you winning, son?"

Cruel Entertainment story from just this weekend: I played it on T6 in my Breena politics deck choosing both opponents. Turned out that one of my opponents simply decided to pay 40 life for the other opponent’s Toxic Deluge to take him out. Well. IMO the card is highly dependent on the state of the game and benefits from your ability to scheme >:D true s-Tier

@satansamael666

Жыл бұрын

My best experience with the card is as a single player removal spell against any Necropotence player. In short a Last Chance version of Mindslaver to Cruel Entertainment’s Time Walk.

The random intrusion by The Professor and PleasantKenobi honestly made my day 1000% brighter

@Yakmage

2 жыл бұрын

Are you winning son?

@starmanda88

2 жыл бұрын

@@Yakmage 💀💀💀

Seth: Yes one more turn and i’ll win. Crim: Cast Scrambleverse, lets just put everything in a pile and everybody gets a random card.

@satansamael666

Жыл бұрын

Scrambleverse holding priority casting Teferi’s Protection is just brutal.

Congratulations Richard! This was a great episode! Loved the Vince cameo.

1hr 25min of Tomer viscerally suffering. I’m in.

@nsmjohn

2 жыл бұрын

He's definitely having some PTSD this episode.

My experience with Cruel Entertainment is the same as Crim’s. I’ve seen this cast over a dozen times, and what almost always happens is that the two targeted players agree to hurt the caster. It’s low tier for trolling others and high tier for getting yourself got. Also , congrats , Richard!

@slymcfly123

2 жыл бұрын

I casted this once. They agreed to direct their anger to me.

@k9commander

2 жыл бұрын

Edited: Crim and some other people play the card at the wrong time. It should ALWAYS be played when an opponent is CLEARLY the archenemy. Cast it, and pick the archenemy. The archenemy may use the other person's turn to screw you over, but the third player will want to bring the archenemy down a peg or two. If they don't, they'll only secure the archenemy's victory. It's like using a board wipe when one player has a massive 'I am going to kill everyone on my next attack' board. Sorry I destroyed your value creatures. It was the only way to stop the archenemy.

@ichliebebrot3773

2 жыл бұрын

@@k9commander I don’t play it, but sure. I can see that. I was just saying how I’ve seen it go for various other people who I’ve seen play it across various games.

@Kryptnyt

2 жыл бұрын

There's also a mode where you just target yourself and an opponent, as a cheap Mindslaver effect that happens once and has a bit of a drawback.

@elliotthunter7959

2 жыл бұрын

@@k9commander Have done this multiple times. They still always teamed up to go after me. The person who wasn't the Archenemy ended up heavily regretting it every time, but they still went after me. I think it's a psychology thing. Since I was the one who cast the card they're like "oh well YOU are trying to screw me, so screw you!" I could not convince them to mess with the player who was furthest ahead because that player agreed not to mess with them.

Here's the question: As an adult, when you're sitting down to a commander game, what's the goal? If you're playing at a store or event with strangers, trying to win the game, trying to test serious strategies, then obviously you don't play these cards. But, for a lot of us, the best times are sitting around with a group of close friends, eating and drinking and socializing and laughing and having a great time killing several hours with good company. For situations like that, where we're all in it for the fun of it, and plan to be doing this for 4+ hours, these cards are fantastic. They turn the game on its head, mix things up, make everyone try to figure out how to resolve terrible spells or game conditions, and generally lead to a lot of the most fun, memorable times I've ever had playing casual magic. This isn't just kitchen table Magic, this is Party Magic.

@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena

2 жыл бұрын

Mario party flashbacks in bound

I love how Phil is like Low-key learning all the Trolljutsu from Crim since he's joined the MTGGoldfish crew, first it was blatant thievery, now Wrong Turn...

Chains is NOT hard to understand. It makes everyone rummage outside their draw for turn (discard, then draw). If they can't discard they have to mill instead. If you have one card in hand and attempt to draw 3 you will discard, draw, discard, draw, discard, draw. If you have zero cards in hand, you will mill three. It is brutal with Brainstorm because Brainstorm also makes you put two back. In the first scenario it empties your hand instead of cantrips. It is very simple.

Congrats to Richard on the baby!!!

I once cast a Codie into a Confusion In The Ranks and locked a Rogues deck out of playing creatures. It was beautiful!

@kingfuzzy2

2 жыл бұрын

: D gotta love that

I could see Head Games in a Tergrid deck. Before making your opponent discard (with Dark Deal, let's say), go and choose the best permanents from their decks. Also 1:08:48 Phil, I believe you are thinking of City of Solitude.

@kingfuzzy2

2 жыл бұрын

I use it in my nethroi politics deck to mixed results. The funniest one was being mindslavered in the kingdoms version of edh game got two head games cast on me that locked me out of the game.

44:00 Professor and Vince popped up! 🤣 1:10:03 Tomer's standard on trollness: Sensei's Divining Top is a troll card 😂 1:13:02 Tomer's like: "No, Demon Crim! Stop corrupting my mind!!" 😱 1:16:11 Tomer: "Crim is the Joker..."

So combo for Crim. 1) Have either Naked Singularity or Reality Twist on the battlefield along with unwinding clock (or some other way to untap on each untap). 2) Put Nightcreep on an Isochron Scepter. 3) Cast Nightcreep on each players upkeep making all lands swamps so everyone only has white mana.

The discourse in this episode is like that gif of the elmo doll with the flaming background. Excellent.

Congrats, Richard! Hopefully you’ll be allowing him to draw three off Secret Rendezvous soon!

With Head Games, my first two thoughts were: 1. Use it on Tomer, give him all the Kaldra pieces to hand. Then wheeling/making him get rid of his hand again. 2. Since they go on top, you know what they had in their hand. So you can just give them back their hand again. Now that is some Mind Games.

@starmanda88

2 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha I love both of these options. I would pay to see Tomers face when you cast the wheel after having all his hopes and dreams dashed 💀💀💀

Richard had his own Fledgling Osprey. Congrats but make sure you don't enchant it or itll be flying everywhere.

What I THINK chains of mephistopheles does is essentially: If a player would draw a card other than the first card they draw during their draw step, that player essentially rummages instead of drawing normally, meaning they still get to draw the card as long as they discard another card first. Then it has an extra effect where if you don't have any cards in hand to discard you just mill a card and don't get to draw at all. It doesn't literally stop you from drawing cards but it does stop you from gaining any card advantage

@soleo2783

3 ай бұрын

It doesnt stop you from putting cards in your hand tho, so there are some ways to get card advantage still. Impulse draw gets around it aswell

@21:06 This needs to be a KZread short 😂😂😂. The "No Dad, go away! It's not a Phase!' MURDERED my sides. Hilarious

This could just be called "Cards that get killed Crim first - the podcast"

I once got hit by a Cruel Entertainment and my friend was mocking me about how bad his hand was. I then looked at his cards, shook my head and said, he could literally kill one of us. (Tbf, we were like, 2 months into playing commander and he played maybe 4 times before then). He was adamant that I was wrong, I then said if he wants me to prove it and he agreed. I killed himself during that Cruel Entertainment and he took the loss in pride XD It was played within the precons that this came in btw, 5 player POD all of the original 4 color commanders :) Funny enough, we also recently played a game with Possibility Storm! I played it in a Yidris Cascade/Chaos deck and it got taken advantage of by my brother playing Zada - The thing is, Zada's triggers resolve on cast, so the spell you cast to target Zada will get exiled but the copies still get made and resolve! So Zada get's a 2 for 1 basically. He won the turn after I played it by chaining into a masive amount of spells with Birgi and Run-Away Steam Kin ^^ Timesifter unironically looks like a Yu-Gi-Oh card, in wording, design and artwork xD

Regarding Chains, the simplest way to think about it is this: Your first regular draw during your own draw phase on your own turn is completely normal. Also the first draw done by any other player during your turn during the draw phase are also normal. Any other draws that happen at any other time are replaced by loot/rummage effects where you do the discard first. Finally, if your hand is empty when you would attempt to perform that discard, you instead mill a card instead of looting. So, for example, if you have a howline mine and chains in play, your draw phase becomes draw a card, then discard a card, then draw a card (draw then modified loot). If you cast brainstorm on another players turn, it becomes discard 1, draw 1, discard 1, draw 1, discard 1, draw 1, put 2 back on top of your library (modified loot, modified loot, modified loot, return 2 to library). If you play a real loot effect, it becomes discard 1, draw 1, discard 1 (modfied loot, discard 1). The real confusing part comes with Anvil of Bogardin. If you have Anvil and Chains in play, your draw phase becomes draw 1, discard 1, draw 1, discard 1 (draw 1 then modified loot then discard 1). If you have a howling mine and an anvil and chains, your draw becomes draw 1, discard 1, draw 1, discard 1, discard 1, draw 1 (draw 1, modified loot, discard 1, modfied loot).

@starmanda88

2 жыл бұрын

I would cry real tears trying to figure that out

@umpatte0

2 жыл бұрын

@@starmanda88 The even tougher scenarios come when you have two chains in play. Then, if you have a howling mine and two chains, your draw phase becomes draw 1, discard 2, draw 1 (hand size doesn't change). And Anvil + 2 chains is draw 1, discard 2, draw 1, discard 1 (down 1 card). Empty hand howling + 2 chains is draw 1, discard one, mill 1 (I think that's right, been a while). Two howling mines + 2 chains is draw 1, discard 2, draw 1, discard 2, draw 1 (with 2 chains, every extra howling mine makes you end up discarding an extra card. crazy huh?)

@SamuelKacerik

2 жыл бұрын

"Also the first draw done by any other player during your turn during the draw phase are also normal." - come again?

@umpatte0

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamuelKacerik Oh. It looks like it's been errata'd to only ignore your first draw on each of your own turns. The original wording says it doesn't apply to the first card drawn by a player during the draw phase. Original wording would have let two players each with a wedding ring in play to draw a card each draw phase. Errata'd version looks like it wouldn't. Interesting. I haven't looked at the Oracle text on this, but I remember how it worked based on my buddy's Chains deck from back in the day.

@starmanda88

2 жыл бұрын

@@umpatte0 lmao you need a degree in calculus to figure some of these interactions out I swear to god

When I read the title of this podcast, I just assumed Crim would be doing it alone

@MihaelGeng

2 жыл бұрын

lol you made my day 🤣

Listening to Crim talk about the fun of 1v1 chaos decks reminds me of the random MTGO game I played where we ended up with four Group Slug decks. That was the most fun I’ve ever had playing Magic and nobody I’ve ever talked to since has been able to understand, let alone agree.

@kingfuzzy2

2 жыл бұрын

Most I've had is a 6 man with two group slug decks (me and a friend were the group slug players). You are so lucky I'm jealous.

@exxonrcg

2 жыл бұрын

whats a group slug?

@kingfuzzy2

2 жыл бұрын

@@exxonrcg it's the opposite of group hug whereas the group slug player hurts everyone even themselves.

Congratulations to Richard and the whole family!

Much love Richard congrats on a mini Richard. In 6 to 7 years I expect little Richard to troll the tables.

Crim is a good example what a man with great taste you can become, when you have 2 dads supporting you in the background

I just watch Tomer's face and laugh as Crim explains troll cards 🤣 😂

“Roll a coin and see how far it goes”… I love you Phil!

Crim your hair is on fire who ever did it needs a raise!

I'm shocked that Perplexing Chimera isn't on this list, it's my favorite troll card. Everybody gets to take turns snatching everyone else's stuff, and it's always groans when it hits the table but it's absolutely hilarious what happens.

I agree with Phil on the storm crow. I used to have a legacy deck that tried to lock up the game and win with vizzerdrix.

@starmanda88

2 жыл бұрын

😂 ok I love that

@SamuelKacerik

2 жыл бұрын

I once had Volrath, the Shapestealer deck and my only goal was to cast Storm Crow and equip it with Vulshok Morningstar.

Okay, here's how Chains of Mephistopheles works as I understand it: - It affects any card draw effect that isn't the "natural" draw-step draw. - It is a replacement effect (because it contains the word "instead"). This means that the effect applies exactly once to each card that is supposed to be drawn. - (A ruling on Gatherer states that the effect applies separately to individual cards drawn at the same time.) - If you have 1 or more cards in hand immediately before the draw effect resolves, instead of drawing X cards, you [discard 1, then draw 1] X times. - If you have no cards in hand immediately before the draw effect resolves, instead of drawing X cards, you mill X cards. Example: 1) Player A casts Harmonize while Chains is on the battlefield 2a) If Player A has at least 1 card in hand immediately before Harmonize resolves, they resolve the card by rummaging (i.e. discarding 1, then drawing 1) three times. 2b) If player A has 0 cards in hand immeiately before Harmonize resolves, they resolve the card by milling 3 cards instead of drawing.

to answer Phil's question at 1:08:46 the card your looking for is City of Solitude..and its 2G Also like to add my own troll card to this list.. Wars' Toll

@SamuelKacerik

2 жыл бұрын

I'd like to think War's Toll is a legit card and even a very good one in certain decks (for example Marisi, Breaker of the Coil).

Reality twist doesn't change the mana gained from islands, so you're actually able to play it mono-colored blue! Funny episode :)

Is that Crim in the professor’s lounge?

@lordofgarbageprogenitoroft4147

2 жыл бұрын

No crim just renovated his room

@JohnSmith-hs9ez

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it actually is because he was visiting the professor

Seems like trolling and chaos are very similar. I made a chaos deck and then took it apart after 3 games because everyone HATED it...

@kingfuzzy2

2 жыл бұрын

When you run into someone that loves it that's when one realizes how fun it can be.

Scrambleverse followed by a Teferis protection is fun too

Cruel Entertainment works when one of the targets is ahead, than the other person NEEDS to do something about it.

My favorite episode in a long time. This is basically my whole deck

congrats on the baby Richard!

Finally, Anime Villain Crim can podcast on his home turf. Also, the Vince cameo was A+. Edit: Prof's too

Possibility Storm seems actually legitimately fun. I like the challenge of playing "around it" or better said, to try to get value from it by casting low cmc spells and getting to resolve more pricey spells for it instead. Sounds like potentially even a legit piece for storm or combo decks, if you build around it.

Congrats Richard! Also, I absolutely love possibility storm. One of my favorite cards just to spice up the games!

This was a great podcast, crim slowly becoming my favorite member

Chains of Mephistopholes is actually surprisingly simple. It’s a replacement effect that replaces any draw (except your first draw in your draw step) with something else. If you have zero cards in hand, it replaces the draw with milling a card. If you have a nonzero amount of cards in hand, it replaces the draw with rummaging one (discard a card and then draw a card).

The abject horror dawning on Tomer's face when Phil was saying 'Maybe I should bring a chaos deck to a random match' really got me... Haven't laughed so hard in a long time! XD

Congratulations to Richard and his (newly enlarged) family!

Congrats on the baby to my favorite member of the crew!

Great list hope to see more of these on Commander Clash.

Congratulations to both Richard and his partner!

I just lost it when PleasantKenobi walked in on Crim. "Are you winning son?" 💀

I love the chaos. Chaos week I full body laughed so much; it's my favorite week.

Congrats Richard. Am I the only one confused as to why they find Chains of Mephistopholes so confusing? I think it's clear. I thought maybe I was missing something and I looked up the flow chart and I was right. It's basically: Any time you would draw other than the first draw each turn, rummage instead. If you don't have a card to discard, mill 1 and don't draw.

One thing to remember about cumulative upkeep is that the rules changed. You add an age counter and then pay for the cum upkeep for each age counter. If you can continually remove the age counter you could literally have them forever

51:02 Straighforward explanation of Chains of Mephistopheles follows. * If you have cards in your hand then your card draw is replaced by rummaging. * If you have no cards in your hand then your card draw is replaced by mill. This does not affect the first card you draw in your drawstep. (Also, please remember that a spell on the stack is no longer in your hand. Also remember that replacment effects can't loop, the rummaging won't retrigger itself nor the mill.)

Congrats Richard! Hope you and your family mixh happiness and lasting health!

The name of this Podcast should have been most fun cards in commander! Im with Crim on these.

Tomer's metric on how troll-y a card is makes perfect sense. Watch any Commander Clash episode over 2 hours. The longer the game lasts, the more "done" he is with it entirely.

For Scrambleverse, you could write out everyone's original cards, or take a picture of the original board of each player to make the clean up easier

This was very entertaining. I dont get my docotors recommended amount of crim each week since he was benched for commander clash. And this really helped.

congrats richard lets gooooooooooooo bet he was born with a dowsing dagger in hand

This might be one of the funniest episodes yet! I hope Richard can throw in his thoughts on some of these too in a different podcast. But congrats on the baby!

One of my favorite things about Timesifter is that it's an extra turn so everyone has to keep track of whose turn it was if Timesifter gets destroyed, as the turn order will go back to normal and not start with the person whose turn it is

Chains of Mephistopheles is actually quite easy to play correctly, but the revised rules text is much clearer: If a player would draw a card except the first one they draw in each of their draw steps, that player discards a card instead. If the player discards a card this way, they draw a card. If the player doesn't discard a card this way, they mill a card.

could you rank finishers next? I would love to hear your opinions on all the iconic commander finishers!

vince and prof picked the exact right week to sneak into the podcast

Storm Crow reminded me Tomer's reaction when Richard told him what he plays on his Birds Commander 😁

I had to come back to this vid to thank Crim for showing me the light. Impulsive Maneuvers in my Goad/Curse deck is a troll win con and I love it. >:3

If Seth saying, "I will kill you if you play this card!" in response to talking about Timesifter doesn't make the whole team want to play it in secret from him knowing, I don't know what will. Oh gosh, Imagine if there's multiples of this on the board!

@Kryptnyt

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with Seth. Timesifter is going too far.

@canamrock

2 жыл бұрын

One of the funniest games I've had was where someone else Timesiftered and I got three extra turns in a row because I just happened to hit 3 of my 4 most costly cards on the tests. Winning with Dragonstorm without even casting it. lol

@Chibifox

2 жыл бұрын

@@canamrock It's a beautiful thing. I think the crew should show Seth the light by all putting a copy in every deck for next season. It's colorless after all.

@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kryptnyt that's only if they pull a Tomer and try to break it

I love that all the stories from Tomer begin with "This jerk I was playing with played this card" and all the stories from Crim begin with "So, I got to play this one time"

Congrats on the child of alara Richard!

Nesting Grounds is a land that circumvents cumulative upkeep, bonus points for dumping age counters on Braid of Fire

My favourite troll card has to be Teferi’s Puzzlebox, as I always get groans from the table whenever it hits the board. It prevents anyone from holding onto a card for the perfect moment and any plans you had for your hand before it came down are thrown out the window. Eventually someone wheels into artifact removal but at that point it’s done what it needed to do The best is playing a mass bounce spell like Cyclonic Rift or Evacuation, all their cards are now at the bottom of their deck and everyone is sent back to square-one

@starmanda88

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve never seen that card and god that sounds incredibly annoying 😂

@kingfuzzy2

2 жыл бұрын

I put it in every group hug and chaos deck highly recommend.

As long as you have cards in hand and it isn't your first card draw of your draw step, Chain of Mephistopheles turns all of your card draws into rummages. If you don't have any cards in hand, you start milling

Congrats on the successful activation of the populate mechanic.

20:40 Tomer's Bill O'Reilly style rant is absolute gold and has made me re-add scrambleverse back in my deck

Once, in 2003, I had a glorious moment with Head Games. I sitting in the 0-2 milkshake bracket, and I cast and used Mindslaver on my opponent. When I took his turn, I look at his hands and saw Head Games. It took me almost 5 minutes before I realized that I with me in control of the turn, it was essentially a sextuple Demonic Tutor. Somehow I still lost that game.

My fave is shared fate plus a windfall. Have fun playing each other's decks!

yessirrrr right in time for my lunch break!

Huge congrats Richard! :D

Well, it looks like the Ludevic/Ravos Rick and Morty deck is getting retooled for chaos. So many good combos with these troll cards.

Lol love this episode! Tomer is a closet troll, Crim is out in the open troll and Phil trolled everyone with storm crow! Perfect!!

I think Chains is confusing because the most important piece of text that defines when it's in effect is the last line of the card. The card would be less confusing if the last sentence was first. Essentially, if you would draw a card any time other than the first card of your draw phase, you rummage instead. If you can't rummage because your hand is empty, then you mill a card instead.

Impulsive Maneuvers also seems pretty good for superfriends. Makes it tough to decide what to attack with which creature.

Chains of Mephistopheles: If draw (other than first card during draw step) -> discard, then draw instead. If cannot discard -> mill a card (no draw). Similarly to looting spells, every single extra card draw now has the added "cost" of discarding and if you cannot pay the cost, you mill a card instead of drawing. I play this in Tergrid.

@starmanda88

2 жыл бұрын

I just put tergrid in my mono black ruin everyone’s day deck. Do you think it’s worth running even if she’s not the commander? 🤔

Chains of Mephistopheles is super simple. If you would draw any additional cards during a turn, you either discard or mill FIRST.