Thank you for this excellent video. I scoured KZread but could find nothing really properly diving into timings, and your video did a great job of showing the comparisons. Keep it up and thank you for your time and effort!

I really like how you put your vids together, just subscribed :)

liked, subbed, commenting - exactly what I was looking for

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Great video, it definitely clarified a lot

This is excellent. Makes me think I don't even need to worry about 3600 given current pricing. I'm more interested in productivity but good to know either way.

Im in a bit of a situation and this vid helped thanks. Getting 12700k and ive still got my cl16 3200 ram from 5 years ago, think I'll stick with it, not worth paying 300 (specific ram to go with build) for 10-15 more fps.

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, 3200MHZ is the cut-off point where I wouldn't spend money just to replace it. It does fine! THe FPS boost only makes itself known when you're heavily CPU limited anyway, most of the time it's imperceptible.

Great vid...very helpful...thanks!

Great video as usual bro, but I still having a doubt. On other video I saw that more important than the speed was the amount of it, so I'm buying 2x16gb but not sure which one is better between 3600 cl18 and 3200 cl6, both at the same price. Thanks for all your videos!

excellent video, thinking of getting ripjaws 2x16GB 3600 CL16-19-19-39 🔥🔥

Thanks for this vid, it's actually great info. Imo seeing the results it's not worth to go for faster rams, 3200 CL16/3600 CL16 at most. Personally I think I'll go for 3200 CL16 and just buy more, maybe 64 GB this time, because I could always use some more RAM for work :D

@mesicek7

Жыл бұрын

If you're mostly gpu limited then no. But if you intend to buy a really fast gpu good ram will help you minimize cpu bottleneck

Also using a 12700k(f). I bought some Corsair VENGEANCE RGB RT's 2x16gb at 4600mhz CL18s. I wasn't able to get them to post at the full 4600mhz, but at 4400mhz (Seems to be the 12700's limit), these are absolute monsters with the same tight timing. I got these because without XMP at their SPD speeds they run at 3200mhz stock, which is what these CPU's ask for ddr4's. They also look extremely good and have quite a bit of wiggle room for overclocking. Great so far. Eliminated any micro-stuttering I had in memory intensive games like Spiderman and Red Dead 2. Using a Asus Tuf Gaming z690-plus wifi D4 motherboard to achieve this. Nothing on the board goes over 60 degrees celsius with an AIO cooler on the CPU.

what are the odds, i was trying to research this earlier today!

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Glad to be of service!

Glad I found u .. subbed ;)

This is exactly what I was looking for! I'm putting together a i5-12400 build. I wanted to fill in 4x8GB sticks of RGB, 32GB of RAM. But wasn't sure on if 3200 vs 3600 will make that much of a difference in games for the price (currently $160 vs $190). I can find $30 to make that much of a difference in FPS

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Ok! but be careful!! I'm now seeing some people report that because you can't alter system agent voltage in non K CPUs, 3600Mhz isn't fully stable. It's not something I've encountered and I'm doing more tests, but the problem will get worse with 4 sticks not two. If you really care about FPS, I'd opt for an i5-12500 or 12600 for those $30, and get 3200Mhz CL16 RAM in 4x8 to be sure of stability. Guaranteed performance boost, much more chance of stable RAM!

@Kermeous

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker Unfortunately 12500 and 12600 are much more than that, like $100 more. At the time of this writing. 12400F $184, 12500 $325, 12600 $380, but 12600K $279. When I finally buy I'll have to check prices again, but That's a lot of good info.

@rokdovecar5275

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kermeous that doesn't really make sense 12600 being $100 more expensive than 12600k?

According to intel, the 12700H support an LPDDR4x memory option, will be great seeing a benchmark testing that type of memory

@rodrigoterrasanta5966

2 жыл бұрын

That's a laptop cpu and LP stands for low power which is exclusive to mobile devices so you're probably going to have to look for a review of a specific laptop with those specs

Fajny materiał! Dzięki!

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Nie ma sprawy, cieszę się, że Ci się podobało.

Nice one!

Great video; new fan of your channel here! I was wondering if you might give me your opinion on high quality DDR4 vs DDR5 Would the Viper 4000 C16 be comparable to DDR5 5200 or would it be superior? Trying to decide if I should hang onto my DDR4 B Die for my 13700k build or sell it and go all on on DDR5 1% lows are main concern, for VR gaming mainly.

@BuildPicker

Жыл бұрын

Remains to be seen with 13th gen, but as a rule fast low latency ddr4 is still better than mid range ddr5, particularly in gaming.

Thank you for great source of info. I`m thinking of moving from b550 5600x 32 ddr4 3200 C16 to MSI MPG EDGE Z690 12700k 32 ddr4 4400 CL16 19-19-39. In your opinion will I get signifant FPS boost @ 1080p in BF5 from RAM speed or will it be more due to processor upgrade? thanks

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Reaslistically it will be the processor that defines the performance bump there, with about 20% more sindgle core performance. The 5% or so bump from RAM speed is just the cherry on top. That's asusming 100% CPU limited, which you probably won't be!

*Thank You*

I got my Crucial Ballistix BL2K8G32C16U4B 3200 MHz, DDR4 2*8gb stick for 76 Euros a year ago.. Same price now.. I will keep it for an 2023 Raptor Lake upgrade.. (no gaming, just an Office PC)

I'm still using the fury 2300mhz that came out in 2015 😅

plzzzzzzzzzzzz make more videos!!!! your great at this!!!

Gonna have to re-do this once the Intel Direct Storage takes affect in a few months.

Thank you for covering this comparison in a scientific way and providing explanations and insight into what the differences between the performance of each kit was. Your coverage was detailed, methodical and just what I was looking for. I'll be going for DDR4 3600MHz RAM, but I would like to ask if you think it is worth 80$ to upgrade from 4x16GB of 3600MHz c18 (220$) to 4x16GB of 3600MHz c16 (306$)?

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Objectively, probably not. It really depends if you'll be doing a lot of work that's RAM speed dependent, or running games in a condition where you're CPU limited a lot of the time. If not, get the cheaper RAM.

somehow we are able to do memory overclocking on alder lake, but unfortunately the system agent voltage is locked and most people are limited to 3600mhz on gear 1

Thanks for the video great work ! I would like to buy you 12400 with a B660 MSI mainboard, which ram would you recommend?

@Tony1Tries

2 жыл бұрын

Vengeance 3200 or balistix 3200/3600mhz, DDR4

I'm in a pickle. I have 16GB 3000 CL15 Vengeance RAM. It's old, supposedly not good to OC. I have an 8600K and 1080 Ti presently and plan on getting a 12700K. I play at 1440p 240Hz. Would I notice any meaningful difference between 3200 CL16 and 3600 CL16? A few percentage points? The Crucial Ballistix 32GB 3200 kit is on sale now and people say it can overclock well. Is this true? Could I reach 3600 CL16 on that kit?

Awesome info, thanks! Just to clarify: if i go with a B660 or H670 motherboard, I5 12400 (non K) and the crucial ballistic 3600mhz cl16 16gb kit, will i be able to enable xmp mode/overclocking?

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, absolutely. Both of those motherboards allow that, and 3600MHz is no issue for the Alder alke memory controller. On our B660 Motherboard testing (see the new vid!) both of those boards ran 3600MHz Cl16 RAM with and i5 non K with absolutely no trouble. One click and done.

@dennislaakso8112

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker Awesome, thank you! Will check the new video shortly!

For some reason, I cannot run dual channel with my 12700k. I can only use the first and second ram slots. I don’t know if its a compatibility issue or not. Do you have any thoughts on this?

Great videos with a lot of tech details. I was pretty sure that i5-12400 does not support 3600 ram because of power limitation, but I can assume it could work on some motherboards, if you say so. Also it seems that the limit of game performance for most of the users will be settled not by memory speed, but by GPU. For example I feel like 3060ti is maximum, that I am willing to pay for right now. 3080 or smth from 4x series would be great option, but the prices are already a bit astronomical.

@meetshah7901

Жыл бұрын

I have msi pro b660m-a wifi it supports 3600mhz I have i5 12400 without f version and Kingston fury beast 8gbx2 3600mhz

@leyterispap6775

Жыл бұрын

@@meetshah7901 its silicon lottery when it comes to 12400 , my brother and i have identical systems , he can hit xmp 3600 c16 stable (gear 1 ) and mine cant , it tops out at 3500 . Has to do with the memory controller on the cpu .

@meetshah7901

Жыл бұрын

@@leyterispap6775 I don't have that much knowledge about pc hardware but my advice just swap the components from your brother computer and then try .

@leyterispap6775

Жыл бұрын

@@meetshah7901 why swap,not worth the trouble . exactly same ram ,same mobo and same cpu .clear as day , cpu lottery cuz the imc is integrated on the cpu. ( memory controller )

I want to see what the performance of DDR4-3200 CL22-22-22 1.20V 64GB 2x32 or 4x32 I'd be curious if the duel rank memory's would be that much slower?

Thanks! Extremely useful documentation for my profession. If possible, in future, do make a video regarding BIOS Optimization Guide since some features are not explained in details in Bios or motherboard guide. The book once available in the same name had features long been retired. Regards AM Professional Hardware Consultant

Kinda curious why you stuck "i5-12400" in the title and then said exactly zero words about it in the video. oh well, RIP my 15 min scouring the video bcak and forth.

i have the i5-12400 and i cant change the xmp with my corsair vengance pro to 3600mhz... only run with 3200mhz automatic, with out XMP actived.. what im doing wrong?

Hi! Thanks for the very informative video! I was wondering if you could maybe steer me in the right direction here... if you were to get 3600Mhz CL16 RAM, would you get it in 4x8GB or 2x16GB config for Alder lake if the price was exactly the same? (Specifically 12700k)? Thanks!

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

4x8 Might *technically* be a little better, but if the 2x16GB sticks are dual rank that negates it. Realistically they're the same. I prefer 2x16 just in case you need to step up to 64GB in future, but it's unlikely. If looks are important or you're getting RGB RAM, 4x8GB might be your preference.

@ninemm222

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker hey sorry to bother you but the crucial ballistix is discontinued but I did find a pair of 2x8 4000mhz cl 18 for around $110 should I get them or just take the g.skill ripjaws 3600 cl16 I appreciate your help and thank you in advance

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

@@ninemm222 Go with the G.Skill - it's not worth the extra spend!

@ninemm222

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker thank you 🙏🏻

Спасибо тебе братан!!! Ты меня спас от сильной переплаты за память.

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Нет проблем! Наслаждайтесь своей системой и подписывайтесь на нас! ;)

I currently have the 12700k paired with 16gb of G Skill ddr4 3200mhz CL16. I want to upgrade but i am having a hard time deciding what to do. Should i go to a CL14 3600mhz kit?

When running 4000 ram in gear 1 did you touch VCCSA?

Hi, great video. I would like to ask you, which of these two you woul'd prefer. I'm planning to buy Z690 Gaming X DDR4 with i5-12600K or i7-12700K and I found these two memory kits for a same price: Crucial Ballistix 3600 MHz CL16-18-18-38 (BL2K8G36C16U4B) Crucial Ballistix MAX 4000 MHz CL18-19-19-39 (BLM2K8G40C18U4B) Thanks.

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

If you want 'guaranteed' stability, the 3600MHz kit. It will be fit, click (XMP) and forget. The 4000Mhz kit may involve some manual tweaking/tuning, and you may find your memory controller isn't stable at 2000MHz so you'd have to drop to Gear 2 mode. It's also not much (or at all) faster, given it's 4000Mhz CL18 vs 3600Mhz Cl16 = nearly the same total latency. Down to you if you want to do manual RAM tuning/stabililty testing or not.

@MartinSladek96

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker Thank you very much for your answer. I'll go for 3600 than. I'm also in a bit of a worry about availability of these kits. My plan was, that I will buy 2x8GB kit in following months and after couple more months I'll buy another. In Czech Republic, from where I come from is not many of these in stock. Do you think its possible, that maybe in half a year it won't be availabile? Thanks again.

xmp gives an incorrect image,sub timing ??when to learn in putting mem really up

Gskill trident z neo 3200 c16-18-18 or 3600 c16-19-19 for 30 euro more? My cpu is 13600k with z790 mobo ddr4

My apologizes. Trying to figure out - just renew my system. asus tuf z690 mobo 12700k processor Thx to your video, i decide to take 3600 with CL16. Found this kit of 2x8 - G.skill Trident Z Royal RGB 16GB F4-3600C16D-16GTRSC DDR4 but than i understood, that C16 and CL16 making sence! or this memory count as cl16 and its good to take?

@BuildPicker

Жыл бұрын

Yes it's a good kit. Enjoy!

It's difficult to test RAM because modern CPU's have such a massive amount of L1/2 cache. Many programs fit entirely into the cache at which point DDR performance becomes irrelevant.

I still have 64gb ddr4 3600 cl17, would be nice to use this ram on the 13 gen i7

Did you expirence RAM throutling because of higher temperture? I think 3200 is most value for money CL16. What you think about Patriot RAM, 64€ for 2x8gb.

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Nope, that's never been a concern. Ram doesn't 'throttle' because of temperature, it just becomes unstable. It's only relevant for serious overclockers. They like to keep their B-die cooler, for example as that helps reach tighter stable settings.

@BuildPicker i have adata xpg d30 2 x 8gb sticks CL16 3000mhz does it works with b660 motherboard with 12400f/13400f cpu please help me...

thanks, im go to buy 3600mhz cl14 ram and overclocl to 3800 keeping timings

Normally at least 1440p or 4k gaming is done with 12700k. A ballpark figure on how much effect RAM 3200, 3600, 4000 makes on FPS in 4K? Maybe 1% my guess. Any thoughts?

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

LIterally none. You're fullly GPU limited and it's impossible to discernt any perfomrance impact at 4K. I test this stuff at 1080p because it's the only way to see any difference. In some games you might see a slight improvemnt in 0.1% and 1% lows with well optimised RAM, but that's honestly more of an indication that the game coding isn't great. Some benchmarks break down the Game engine metrics and you can still see the impacts there, but it's irrelevant since the GPU is (or should be ) The limit, always, at 4K. It's a weird paradox that although 4K gaming systems tend to be high end from processor all the way through, you can actually get away with way less processor on them! Very high FPS 1080p gaming is what needs a very fast CPU and optimised RAM.

Is 3600 cl 18 bad I already bought it but I can still return it and get a 3600 16 for 25 Bucksore should I do it?

You NEED to do this exact same test in 1440p my friend. Not only is that the resolution most people are gaming at with this hardware but the results you will find to be much more negligible.

@BassCommunion

Жыл бұрын

You'd be surprised to know that the vast majority of people play their games at most at 1080p

If for VR gaming, still got any difference on ram? I am planning to use my old 3000CL15 for my new 12700F build.

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Nope,that's fine and your existing RAM should work pretty well, nice tight timings. VR doesn't change anything regarding the core spec of the system.

Hello, a quick question, how can it be that the CPU does not fail with ram memories of 3600Mhz and 4000Mhz if the CPU specifications literally state that it supports up to 3200Mhz, thanks for your time.

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

3200MHz is the Specification, but speeds above that are an overclock, and can be applied. Stability is at your own risk and should be thoroughly tested when operating outside of the normal guaranteed range. That said, It's no big deal for almost any CPU and motherboard combination to run RAM well past 3200MT/s, with the Alder lake memory controller finding it's limits somewhere around 1800+ MHZ for gear one (1:1) Mode. Gear 2 y oucan run way faster. None of the Alder Lake CPus or motherboards we have available to test have probelms with 4400MHz Samsung B-Die, in gear 2. Ins short 3200MHz is the minimum *guaranteed* supported speed.

Raptor Lake will be the last platform to support DDR4?

Which one would be best for an i5 12400 + 3050. Adata xpg speptrix d50 3200mhz cl16. Crucial ballistix max 4000mhz cl18. Crucial ballistix max 4400mhz cl19.? M stuck between those 3 choices.

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

THe 3200Mhz Cl16 will be fine. If you an get a sub $90 deal on the 4000Mhz Ballistix Max, get that, it's good value. Avoid the 4400Mhz Cl19, you'll have to manually tune it down to 4000Mhz or lower to get gear 1, and then tighten timings too - which is a lot of work. In reality, if any of these are more than $40 above the 3200MHz Cl16 kit, you should just be buying a 12600 instead: That will get you more performance across the board from higher clock speeds.

Hello. Upgraded my pc with Gigabyte B660 Gaming X DDr4 motherboard and i5-12400f processor. Still using my old build ram's (Kingston Hyper X 2133Mhz). Looking to upgrade ram sticks and have a question is i5-12400 really can work with 3600 Mhz speed? ark.intel say "Up to DDR4 3200 MT/s" i know MT/s is not equal MHz but cant find information about supported ram. Just looking for good 3600 MHZ ram kit if not compatible than go for 3200 just want to be sure before buyng. (Enabled XMP on currently ram sticks caused problem and PC won't boot until bios reset).

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

3200MT/s is the max officially rated speeds, but 3600MT/s is a mild overclock and well within the capablity of the CPUs memory controller. THe B660 allows XMP above 3200MT/s (MT/s and MHz are referring to the same thing and really I/we should use MT/s!) There inn't a night and day perfdormance difference so if you're worried about it, or 3600MT/s is way more expensive, you'll be fine with 3200MT/s. However, 3600MT.s should give no issues and work directly via XMP! Remember also: 3600 CL18 = 3200MHz Cl16 rouoghtly, so don't buy on 'speed' alone. Timings are important too.

@svyst

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker Thank You for the answer! :) i will search 3600Mhz ram kit for test if its works fine i will buy 3600Mhz 16 Cl in other way just get 3200 CL16 (CL15 and CL14 way to expensive in my location). DDR4 3200Mhz Cl16 In my price range is Corsair Vengeance / G. Skill Ripjaws / Patriot Viper 4 Blackout or Patriot Viper steel. In video G.Skill was tested and recommended so probably i already know what to pick (just need one more time check clearance below cpu cooler) Thanks!

Will 12700k support 6000 MHz ram? If i just enable XMP, it should run at 6000, no? Anything under 5200 makes no sense if ddr4 goes up to 5100..

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Well, ours does. At higher speeds you do need to check the motherboard QVL lists to be sure of anything. Some people have had difficulty getting DDR5 workinga t 6000Mhz on Alder lake. BIOS updates appear to be improving compatability though.

Hey John with the g.skillz rip jaw you used were they single rank or dual rank ram

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Single rank 16GB 2x8 kit. Nothing special.

@ninemm222

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker thanks

@ninemm222

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker thanks I was lucky and was able to pick up 2x8 crucial 3600mhz cl 16 from Amazon based from your recommendation and now Im watching your fractal torrent compact overview I really appreciate your time and effort cheers

Is C18 ir CL18 not a good idea with the 3600's and i5 12400? I read somewhere they respond better than CL16 with 12th gen intel.

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

CL18 is 'slower' than CL16 - it's the number of cycles it takes to respond, so more is worse. i5 Non K's struggle to run some 3600MHz kits, because the System agent voltage is locked. If you want guaranteed stability get 3200MHZ Cl16. If you're willing to do some tweaking, you can try 3600MHz Cl16 or CL18. Overall, 3600MHz CL18 is in the same first word latency ballpark as 3200MHz CL16.

@coffeeandvapes1308

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker Great advice. I'll stick to CL16 then. Cheers bud.

Hi can someone in here help me out ?? I'm going to buy a pre built gaming pc thats has a 12700kf - Rtx 3070 and Corsair 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4-3600 DualChannel RAM but they are CL18 .... My question is will the CL18 give me problems when it comes to gaming on 1080p, when it comes lag , stutter and FPS drops on 0,1% and 1% lows in games or wil i be fine (Is it ok to use 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4-3600 CL 18) The price is fine for the pre built PC , but the (2x16GB DDR4-3600 CL 18) is what worries me Best regards

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

It'll be fine. You shouldn't experience those problems with a correctly configured system. 3600MHz CL18 is roughly equal to 3200MHz CL16. RTX 3070 is very OP for 1080p gaming, you can game at 1440p just fine with that system!!

How did you achieved so high RAM frequency (4000MHz)at gear1 ? I've read, that going over 3600MHz, move you to g2 on Alder Lake.

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

That's not our experience with Samsung B-Die, it is happy at gear 1 with the memory controller set to 2000Mhz. It won't go above that though. Of course we only have 1 CPU to test with. Otehr CPus may not be quite the same. 3600MHz is still sensible as it's guaranteed (pretty much) at Gear 1, and cheaper in geenral than faster kits.

@Piotr_Majchrzak

2 жыл бұрын

​@@BuildPicker I wonder if getting B-die 4000MHz/CL16 from Patriot makes any sense in pair with i5-12400 and B660 MB. Despite achieving XMP frequency (4G) is questionable in such set, maybe lowering to 3600MHz and tightening timings (lets say 14-14-14) will do the job here?

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

@@Piotr_Majchrzak YEs that's the joy of B-Die, not just the high speed but the flexibilty to really pin down timings, even if you're not running them at rated speeds. So long as it's not too expensive, and you don't mind the time it takes to properly tune RAM, it's a good option.

Can Yu please clarify, I’ve checked the i7 12700K product page and it says that it can only support DDR4 ram at maximum 3200 MHz. But in your comparison you are showing more than that speed with DDR4, can you please explain it to me how is it possible?

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

The official support is to 3200MHz, but XMP is an overclocked profile that can exceed that speed. If you want *guaranteed* compatibility, then stick to 3200MHz and check the QVL list of the motherboard for compatible RAM. However, sensible but faster XMP profiles do give stable operation and enhanced performance as I show here.

@_ManojMadhavan

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker Thank you for clarifying that. So if I buy a faster ram, the CPU will support it? Even though their website says the CPU only support Upto 3200MHz?. I am totally confused. I understand that RAM can overclock through XMP Profile but I thought the CPU supports what the official specification says.

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

@@_ManojMadhavan Yes, *most* sensible XMP RAM will be fine. But if you're unsure, and don't want to manually adjust RAM settings, stick to 3200MHZ RAM.

I bought a z690 tomahawk and i7 12700k, i am planning to buy 32gb (4x8gb) of corsair vengeance rgb pro 3600mhz cl16. Do you think that will work well ?

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Should be great. Just check the secondary timings on the Corsair ram, they often have looser timings than competitors.

Hello, would you suggest to update bios in order to avoid problems by activating xmp? I just bought the Z690 plus d4 wifi from tuf gaming. I got 2x16gb 3600Mhz 16cas kingston fury. I7 12700k thx 🙏 for your help

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

It's worth checking what BIOS version it comes with, and then the ASUS support page. There may well be a few BIOS updates that help these boards in both RAM compatiblity and overall performance. But you should have no problem running that RAM at those XMP speeds.

@robser3479

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker thx for your quick reply! So basically i’m not doing anything wrong by updating when there are 2new bios versions and on asus it says perf. Improvements for win11 and better ram compatibility.

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

@@robser3479 No, You can update. But be careful! Always best to use a UPS power supply when updating, that board has no BIOS flashback, so if a power cut interrupts the update the board is dead!

@robser3479

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker thx a lot!

Hi, i didnt understand well. What is good value money option for 12400f? Is 3600 cl16 good?

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

If you want value for money and guaranteed stability, go with 3200MHz CL16. It should be cheap and very easy to set up!

I got 32gb of cl16 3200mhz ballistix. Seems acceptable considering it was 90 usd.

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's a great deal. It's probably also pretty decent for an overclock if you want to delve into that world... If not, you've got decently fast RAM at a great price anyway.

@vgamedude12

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker might try for cl16 3600, I've heard the kit can reach it, but I might not as well, won't really need it much I don't play at 1080p.

the title says 12400 and 12700k, i can't find anything about 12400 testing anywhere in the timeline

So all this info for nothing no mention out of all the kits you used which model of ram kit are the best choices? Would be helpful to know which manufacturer and kits are slowest and fastest with CL out of box XMP.

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

The purpose of this video is really to demonstrate the range of performance impact of different speeds of RAM. It's not possible, nor really sensible, to test *every* available kit - because if they have the same specifications, they'll perform the same. To get the best RAM, you need to first of all get the Speed in MHz that is fastest, but stable on your chosen CPU and motherboard and at your chosen capacity. Then, you need to find a kit with low timings, the lower the better, across the board of timings and sub timings. It's not as simple as there being 'one' best kit', and actually most kits will perform within margin or error of one another, given the smaer or similar XMP specification. The TL;DR is buy 3600Mhz CL16 Crucial Ballistix or G.SKill though.

I’ve got the 12700k, I was planning on getting 16gb ballistix 3200mhz cl16 till I get a better kit or patriot viper 3600mhz cl18 what do you think? Someone said to me 4400mhz cl19 but I don’t think I need that

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

No, you don't need 4400Mhz Cl19, it's actually a bit of a pain to set up optimally. The 3600Mhz CL18 and 3200Mhz Cl16 are actually roughly the same total latency, give or take. You can buy on price or preference, or take a look at the other timings and see which are lower. THe Ballistix kit is likely good.

@ndowie5

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker should I go for 3200mhz cl16 I was going to get 3600mhz cl16 but I don’t think I can and so I don’t need 4400mhz? What about 4000?

My DDr4 RAM's XMP profile, I have it OC'd to 3200Mhz, will that be enough to get it to work with 12Gen 3200Mhz cut-off or will it just see it as 3000Mhz capable? Just need it to work until I can afford the upgrade

@BuildPicker

Жыл бұрын

Will work at 3200MHz just fine.

@DestroyerofBubbles

Жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker Thanks man

ребята нужна помощь хочу собрать пк проц i7 12700 какую мать для нее нужно на долгое время чтоб потом не менять ? я думал взять Z690 auirus elite

wow never realized how bad my 2400Mhz ram is 😭

I found 16GB G.Skill RipJaws V black DDR4-3600 DIMM CL18 Dual Kit. Why CL is 18 and not 16?

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

It's just slower RAM, it has been tested and can't run at CL16 timings, so they grade and sell it as CL18 instead. Overall, 3600 CL18 is roughly equal to 3200 CL16 but they will have slightly different performance depending on the task.

2x8 3600 CL16 cost about $20 more than 3200 CL16 here in our country. Should I get 3200 instead? I only do light video editing and Dota 2.

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

I'd probably opt for 3200MHz CL16, especially if you have any concerns about stability and don't want to tweak RAM manually. It's a very minimal performance difference and only in some circumstances, for $20 saved.

@kwazeerides

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker 3200 CL16 it is. Thanks for the quick response. More power to your channel 👌

Hey build picker, I have 3200 cl16 RAM t-force delta R 32gb x 4. I bought two kits of the same ram was wondering if I could have issues. I bought them two weeks apart not at the same time and checked the rams and one is a b die the other isn’t

@Codyyster

2 жыл бұрын

I have a 12700k

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

@@Codyyster At 3200MHz CL16 I wouldn't anticipate any problems. Try XMP and it should work fine.

I bought a 3200mhz ddr4 without knowing for my 12600k, should I change them for a 3600? or is it not necessary?

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

In my opinion, not necessary. It's not worth the cost to change unless you can easily return the 3200Mhz ram at no cost. These are minor differences in the real world, that are only exposed when you're CPU limited in some games.

@kshaossohask9674

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker thanks I'll keep them then :)

sad they locked vccsa voltage with 12th gen :(

Tried MSI b660 + 12400 on Corsair 3600Mhz CL18. not Able to use xmp without crashing ...which is the best budget one for this ? Will G skill 3200 CL16 work?

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, you won't have any issues with 3200MHz Cl16 at XMP. It's also roughly the same total latency as 3600MHz CL18, so no major loss.

@mathaihouse504

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker thanks. Looks like after bios update,I can see Corsair 3600 CL18 works in gear 1 mode .hence planning to use this instead of 3200 CL16..thanks for helping out

In details from my i5 12400f lga1700 i read ddr4 is maximum 3200 and ddr5 4800 supported??

@BuildPicker

Жыл бұрын

Those are official max rated speed, in practice they will support much faster ram.

@Meerjungfraumann1980

Жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker thanks!

Did you get 12400 stable at 4000 gear 1? I can't get above 3600 stable and talked to others who get anywhere from 3400 to 3800, but none above so far. Tried 1.3V SA and 3733 boots, but is a bit unstable.

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

What RAM kit are you using specifically?

@Taraquin83

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker Crucial ballistix 3000cl15 2x8gb. I have had them running overclocked at 3800cl15 in a Ryzen system for several months so ram is not the limit, also tested them at 4000cl16 and they work fine at that too.

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

@@Taraquin83 Well, RAM OC is complex. I tested this with Samsung B-Die, rated at 4400MHZ. I'd say if youv'e got 3600MHz out of 3000Mhz Cl15 rated RAM, you're doing pretty well. You can see from our results that you've got the vast bulk of performance gains.

@Taraquin83

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker yeah, I just wondered what the highest you got running with 12400 was if you tested :)

@Taraquin83

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker Found the problem: On locked CPUs you can`t set voltage on system agent, it is stuck at 0.9-0.96V. This only allows for gear 1 running 3400-3733 depending on binning :/ Hope Intel unlockes this soon, this is a terrible nerf. From MSI internal test, so far the result is as below, *All result is done by MP CPU, QS CPU might have inconsistent result as MP CPU* Non-K + B chipset = cannot increase VCCSA (it sits around 0.91x to 0.92xV depending on IMC quality) Non-K + Z chipset = cannot increase VCCSA (it sits around 0.91x to 0.92xV depending on IMC quality) K + B chipset = can increase VCCSA (This scenario was not confirmed by Intel, but so far it worked) K + Z chipset = can increase VCCSA

would you know if a 12700kf can handle 4800mhz ddr4 ram?

@BuildPicker

Жыл бұрын

Ours handles 4400MHz Cl19 without an issue, in Gear 2. 4800MHz is no doubt possible, but I'd expect a good amount of manual tweaking to achieve stability, and a bit of luck with your IMC quality. Ultimately, particularly for more than 16GB, you may have to accept it won't run at those speeds and run it slower.

Can someone in here help me out . What ram will be best when it comes to FPS (4x8GB 3600mhz cl 16) or (2x16GB 3600mhz cl 16) for a Asus Z690-P Prime D4 motherboard with a 12700kf ??? and will the (4x8GB 3600mhz cl 16) cut run at 3600Mhz on the the Asus Z690-P Prime D4 motherboard with a 12700kf without any problems ?? best regards ---- I will only use 32GB and will not upgrade in the future ---

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Either of those configurations should be fine. The difference is likely to be minimal/marginal between them: 4x8 is *theoretically* slightly faster, but then if the 16GB sticks are dual rank it evens out. Sub timings/CPU overclock will matter more. Don't sweat it, but the cheaper kit or the one with better secondary timings.

12400 should be excluded as it will not be able to use as fast ddr4 memory as k variants due to SA voltage lock. Very unstable at 3600 gear 1. Some even fail 3200.

@nostrum6410

2 жыл бұрын

i really wish intel didnt go over and beyond to hide that fact

@bigbeet8729

2 жыл бұрын

Is 3200 ram good for the i5 12400f?

@konstantin3101

Жыл бұрын

I thought the same. However 12400 Should work well on 3200 speed, I believe issues could be caused by poor compatibility motherboard with RAM.

Does 12700kf post with 4000mhz cl16 xmp profile?

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know as I don't have that spec ram. It posts with the 4400MHz cl19 XMP profile kit we have.

Hi i have issue using i5 12400 + crucial 3600 cl16 and msi mortar b660m ddr4. Enabling XMP causes BDOS after work loadind, It's stable only at 3200 Max freq..any advice?

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately you'll have to run it at 3200MHz, or else Gear 2 at 3600Mhz most people report is stable. It does seem to be a problem for a lot of people with that memory kit. Don't worry, you're giving away *minimal* performance really. But it is frustrating.

@osvaldoventurin4091

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker thank for response i fixed setting 3600 g1 36x100 - voltage 1.35. Tested with memtest by techpowerup for 10 minutes then 10 minutes cinebench and it seems to ne stabile for now. 1.3 and 1.4 volts not stavo a for me

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

@@osvaldoventurin4091 Grab the memtest86 Bootable ISO, and make a bootable USB stick. Run that overnight. If it comes back 4 passes with no errors you're good to go! www.memtest86.com/download.htm

what ram do you suggest for 12400 + b660 A Gaming D4 ? thanks

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Given some people are experiencing difficulty with 3600MHz RAM, I'd suggest 3200MhZ CL16, in a 2x8GB Kit for most users. That's if you don't want to get involved in manually tuning your RAM and want 100% compatibility.

@geryldecolongon9217

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker thanks for that

I ordered the ripjaws 3600 c16 with the 12400f is it a good pair? Will be using and MSI z690 motherboard for reference

@BuildPicker

Жыл бұрын

Should be a good pairing and hopefully stable at xmp.

With i7 12700k 2 x 16 3200mhz cl16 vs 4x8 3200mhz cl16 ?

@BuildPicker

Жыл бұрын

Basically no difference - Dual ran 16GB sticks will perform much like four 8GB sticks. Buy on price, lower timings, or if you prefer the looks of 4 sticks.

3600 is all anyone needs.

So what's the best memory for the i5-12400? Since you don't seem to answer this, you may want to change the title of the video.

@Cooray

2 жыл бұрын

11:49

Is GSKILL Trident Z Neo 32GB 2x16GB DDR4 3600MHz CL16 Compatible with Intel 12th gen?

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, on B660/Z690. It *may* not be stable on B660 with a non K CPU, just depending which exact Processor and motherboard you choose.

@hustleathomeph

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker I've paired my 12600kf with ROG B660-A and GSKILL Trident Z Neo 32GB 2x16GB DDR4 3600MHz CL16, will they work fine sir?

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

@@hustleathomeph Yes, the K series CPU gives you much more RAM flexibility. Slots 2 and 4, and XMP and it should work perfectly! (But it is still an overclock, and nothing is guaranteed)

@hustleathomeph

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker Thank you so much for this valuable information sir!!

@tooslick5472

2 жыл бұрын

@@hustleathomeph How did it turn out? I'm looking to also use ROG B660-A with an i7-12700k, and the same G.Skill Trident 3600mhz CL16 RAM.

Does Gear 1 performs better than Gear 2 for vast majority of the times in games?

@BuildPicker

Жыл бұрын

Yes, always, until you push ddr4 up past about 5000MHz.

@seanchu9139

Жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker I have tried and I can only get to 4300MHz on gear 1 Gear 2 latency is too high

@BuildPicker

Жыл бұрын

@@seanchu9139 4300Mhz gear 1 is really high on Alder lake. Be sure to test stability thoroughly before daily driving! you may fine 4000MHz and tightened timings is the best all round solution.

@PremiumBuilds Please remove 12400 from the title. Alder lake non-k cpu VCCSA volage is locked at ~0.9v, you are lucky to get away with 3400mhz, there have been reports that even older 3000mhz cl15 XMP kits don't work coz of the locked VCCSA.

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

I've done plenty of work on this now across 3 non K cpu's, all run a 3600Mhz CL16 G.skill Kit flawlessly at XMP, gear 1. That's i3, i5 and i7. It appears to be the crucial ballistix kit that have issues, but they run at gear 2 fine - a minor performance penalty.

@TheKamar2

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker Weird, do you have any footage on non-k 12gen i5 or i7 running at 3600 cl16 xmp gear 1? Would love to see a memory test or something.

Anything wrong with Kingston or Corsair?

@BuildPicker

Жыл бұрын

Nope, but corsair have a wide range of ram and tend to use a variety of chips/suppliers in the lower cost lines, making it hard to match ram or know exactly what you're getting. Buy on specification, not brand.

@j.d.3269

Жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker Good point! But I'll stay away from corsair.

and 3000mhz? its good?

@BuildPicker

Жыл бұрын

It's the lowest speed I'd buy for these CPus. See if 3200MHz or 3600MHz is cheaper/same price. But 3000MHz CL16 or lower is fine.

@johnnyjuegos

Жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker I have 3000mhz cl15 thats fine?

2400 mhz Best

DDR5 4800 would be best.

@BuildPicker

Жыл бұрын

Not really, that's a bit slow!

3600 cl16 here waiting to put on the 12700t lol low power gaming machine

I see no reason for people to get this the 12900 we got now isnt much difference in single core programs then the i5 ver If they follow that same pattern with this as those this is a ripoff for us people who need single a big difference for single core

12400 in title, but only tests with 12700k in the video