excellent summary, gents. recent subscriber and I couldn't be happier with your content. I do own a pb16-ultra, and I'm incredibly happy with their product. amazing customer service, amazing quality, recommend them without reservation.

Great review, Thanks. I got the Arendal S2 based on your earlier review, excellent sub, and very flexible for any future system changes I could think of making.

Wish Rythmik was in here!

@junior-OG

9 ай бұрын

sup kyle

@Kpaceguy

9 ай бұрын

@@junior-OG sup brother

@michaela.6698

9 ай бұрын

Agree 100%!!

@Espiritiv

9 ай бұрын

Rythmik, JTR and PSA

@Audioholics

9 ай бұрын

Rhytmik was listed as an alternative towards the end.

It doesn’t get much better than you and James discussing good subs! Maybe if Matt joined you as well… you guys are all great.

Thanks for this comparison. I have a single SB3000 Pro in my lounge and it’s simply astonishing. But then I got a demo of 3 Perlisten subs in a dedicated room and it was gripping! We’ll be making some upgrades in a couple of years time so I’m super excited to see what SVS will bring out to replace the SB16 Ultra. Perhaps 2 of these are just what the doctor ordered! But I do wonder how these subs in this comparison measure up against Perlistens and other subs in the next price tier or 2. Perhaps I should be careful what I wish for, this could get expensive!

I have 2 Jl audio e112 for my 2 channel music. Great small sub for 2 channel music and great customer service when replacing a plate amp in one unit.

The SVS app controls multiple subs but you must adjust them or change the settings one at a time. You can save the settings for each one so once they’re set you’re good to go. Thanks for the video. Great to see and hear comparisons of similar equipment.

Just sitting down to watch this with great interest.....timely for me!

I hope James reviews some Rythniks in the future. Like the E15HP2.

Definitely would be JTR for me haha. PSA and Rythmik would be cool to feature in another round for sealed or ported.

@deankim6687

9 ай бұрын

I’ve always been curious about JTR vs Rythmik for articulation if bass, but no one ever talks about it.

@justinbeamon6624

8 ай бұрын

@@deankim6687 It seems like from James comments it was above everyone else in that regard. Pretty impressive.

@Amansshed

8 ай бұрын

@@justinbeamon6624 james dreams about subwoofers so I take his word as gospel

@L3x4Pr0ne

2 ай бұрын

I think this would be the answer for anyone. I’ve personally heard them and they are unmatched in my eyes. I’ve heard no better. Problem is that price. The SB16 and the rhytmik will get you in the ballpark parking lot for a lot less.

I have the SB16-ultra. It has been the best improvement and I think I need a second one.

I have dual SVS SB-16 Ultra, the app is superb and gives you complete independent control of the subs.

The 4 RTJ subs I own are among the best sounding subs I've ever heard.

Very good variety of subs to choose from. Thanks guys. 👌 👍

You can control both SVS subs in same app however, you have to switch between both subs independently and make adjustments separately.

Good review, I wish you guys would try and get Emotiva back. They have really picked it up in the sub department. However I wish they wouldn’t have discontinued the RS line. They were built extremely well

SVS app only controls on subwoofer at a time. I run dual SB16’s and dual SB-4000’s in one system. I also run dual SB-3000’s and dual SB-1000pros in my music system. Love SVS for the performance and the warranty as I have broken things and they have taken care of me. Nice review.

A pair of JTR RS1 with an external amp will be my next subwoofer purchase next year. Upgrading from a pair of PSA S1812s.

@Audioholics

8 ай бұрын

Definitely the right move.

Great Video, thank you James and Gene

Owner of dual Rythmik F18s. Use to own dual SB13 Ultras. Both brands make amazing subs as well as customer service. You cant go wrong with either company.

Can you guys do another video but for ported subs for around the same price point as the sealed?

Even tho mentioned im surprised he hasnt done anything with rythmik, they seem to be one of the most recomended for the price. Absolutely love mine.

@Audioholics

9 ай бұрын

Rhythmik is listed as an alternative at the end.

I have 4x of the SVS 16 Ultras and absolutely love them. Yes you can adjust each one independently.

@L3x4Pr0ne

2 ай бұрын

Damn. 4x? I’ve been thinking about this. One in each corner in a dedicated room or what?

@Breakinlife007

2 ай бұрын

@L3x4Pr0ne Yes each corner but working with a dealer now to change out to REL stacked subs in each corner

I was hoping to see James doing this review. Haven't watched yet but very interested what he has to say regarding this topic. 🤔😊😎 You too Gene.😋 I have two JBL 550P sealed subs that I might just modify with even a better woofer as seen here on KZread.😬 These subs are heavy hitters for sure.

Correction on JL Audio: 30:00 when James compares the Sigberg 10D to JL Audio, he was referring to the e110. The JL Audio e112 has significant low bass output advantage to the Sigberg unit and remains the king of performance in its size class from our objective testing. We absolutely love this sub if you're tight on space and don't mind paying a premium for performance and great aesthetics. Correction on SVS: James accidentally showed CEA-2010 data of PB16 in sealed mode instead of the SB16. PB16 in sealed mode lack the mid-bass due to the underhung design of the driver but not SB16. Check out our written review of the SB16-Ultra for accurate measurements on that product. thanks to @user-lb5tr4bh7r www.audioholics.com/subwoofer-reviews/svs-sb16-ultra

@michael-4k4000

9 ай бұрын

thank you for this!

@michael-4k4000

8 ай бұрын

Can I ask your opinion/advice on my current set up. Have a 5.1 setup with a Paradigm subwoofer 12" ported (which is around 15+ years old), the room is 17' by 13' by 8'. Have been thinking about upgrading to a new sealed subwoofer, was looking at the REL - HT/1003/1205 or a SVS Pro 1,000. I don't need a large sub in my room as it's not that big a room and my current sub can go higher than 45% without shaking the whole room. What do you think would be a good option?

@dc5001

8 ай бұрын

Im currently in the market for the jl e subs, but I didnt like the comment about the lack of jl audio e subs midbass potential, but then Gene said he loves the jl audio e subs. But does the jl e110 subs really lack midbass?

@Audioholics

8 ай бұрын

@@dc5001 you can compare our measurements of e110 and e112 to the others on this list to make the determination based on your needs. www.audioholics.com/subwoofer-reviews/e-sub-e110-e112

@joshdekubber3631

7 ай бұрын

I love my JL E112's. Not the cheapest subs but what you get for your money is absolutely worth it. These are the best of both worlds when it comes to sound quality and SPL. They dig deep while maintaining superb bass tone and texture. These Subs are articulate with excellent note to note distinction and transient response. I've heard a lot of high-end subs and these are Masters at low volume. The low volume performance from these is jaw-dropping and they volume track my speakers perfectly all the way from a whisper to the limit and never lose their composure. You get all of this in a small beautiful over-engineered enclosure that is built like a freaking tank. In case you can't tell I'm a satisfied customer happy to say these are my end game subs.

Really need you guys to get the new Paradigm XR subwoofers in for review. Nobody seems to have any testing data on them yet.

I would like to see some REL non HT sub reviews. Pretty please. Just to see how their performance compares to other subs. Since they claim their subs are perfect and fast for 2 channel music. Great vids Gene!

I've always loved sealed for my car. But I generally have taken ported for the home as there is room for a really big box and low tuning frequency. But $2-3k sealed are all pretty impressive and I don't think I'd be unhappy with any of them.

@gaurd3

9 ай бұрын

Same. sealed 15 inch image dynamics custom sub. 2 monolith 16 bruisers in the house.

Great content and comparisons!

I have 2 sealed SVS 12s, they are very nice and sound great with movies and music. All these subs look and perform excellent. I would really like to upgrade the SB-16 ultra at some point. The RSL speedwoofer 12s is looking very interesting for the price.

Please create a followup video for subs in the $900-$1,900 range. 🙏

Be interesting to know how some of the pricer perlisten subs compare to these just based on performance

I have two SVS PC-4000s but I have not seen an ability to adjust them as one sub. Hugh show up in the same app, but I must adjust each one individually.

Great video! Please do a similar video with higher end subs - Perlisten, JL, etc…

@Ctripp2448

9 ай бұрын

You mean higher priced not higher end. The perlisten is a good sub with low distortion but will be easily outperformed by jtr, funk, rythmik for the same money. All of these subs will have low distortion but output will be in a different atmosphere compared to perlisten and jl audio at the same price point. Perlisten and jl are low on performance per dollar

Love my JTR RS1s! Great for movies and crazy awesome for music.

Thanks for all the content, it has been super helpful in my home theater journey. Right now I'm considering a subgrade. I have a single jl audio d108, which I got together with a whole system after demoing a few different systems, mainly due to its performance on music and I getting a decent deal on all the equipment. However, I've since had buyers remorse, since due to its small size it does not have really deep bass. My room is medium-smallish at 22m² with low ceilings. With mostly concrete walls and floors, I really don't need a whole lot of output, but I'd like accurate and deep bass that's consistent across multiple positions. Spouse is accepting for any design, the home theater was her idea 😊. The JTR looks tempting, but after a quick search it doesn't look like it's being sold here in Germany and it's a tad expensive anyway. Currently looking at 2*Arendal 1723 1S, but still researching options.

Which AV receiver can you recommend? The Denon 4700 is being offered on eBay at a good price. However, the Denon 3800 costs a similar amount when purchased new. Which of the two is better? The 3800 has DIRAC, while the 4700 does not. Is that a significant difference? Or would you recommend another AV receiver with Atmos support? My budget is between 500 and 850 €.

In this price range there are also these: ADAM AUDIO SUB15 Velodyne VI-Q 15 M&K Compact V15+ M&K Compact V12+ The REL has a very simple chassis. :-(

I have the SB-16, deep very smooth bass. Very satisfied when watching movies. For music it’s underwhelming for me. It’s sounds very clean and smooth, lots of bass, but it cannot hit hard like car subwoofers. I plan to build an enclosure with a quality car subwoofer and amplifier

Sooo envious of you in the US who have access to JTR. Here in Europe there is unfortunatly no market for insane 18inch subs like the RS1.

I have 3 sb3000 2 opposing corners front/rear and the last one near field behind couch. I been looking at the 1723 2S and wonder if it's a good upgrade path.

Great review! I think when on sale the starke SW15 are $1,000 usd for a pair, or $2,000 for a set of 4. So a much better deal and even higher performer than shown at the end!

@Luke-qs2cg

8 ай бұрын

At 2k for a set of 4, that's a good deal, but I would be considering diy before waiting for Starke to deliver, especially considering their customer service for the USA being almost non-existent.

@Goose_Lord

8 ай бұрын

@@Luke-qs2cg Can't beat DIY for value. Be your own customer service!

can we have a Perlisten d215s vs RBH 21 inch sub comparison? They are a about the same price but one has two drivers.

That Starke Sound 15 inch is a crazy good price at $500. Doesn't have all the apps and bells and whistles, just a big driver for bass at an affordable price. 👍

I have a smaller svs. Quality product. Also good service i heard.

Surprised JL Audio is not in this roundup!

On deep sale you'll get 4 Starke SW15's for $2k (BOGO deal). Sure that's on sale and a bit unfair, but if multisub is an alternative, and you can accommodate the size/placement, I'd say that would be an excellent option

SVS subs can all be controlled thru the app, you have independent control and eq on each sub....

I own an SB16-Ultra, and it has been amazing in both movies & music. Excellent integration, pistonic transients, and great extension. Couple that with SVS class leading customer service, and you can't go wrong. 👍

@breezebreeze699

9 ай бұрын

Is the ultra 16 fussy in placement? Many thanks

@1FastGXP

9 ай бұрын

@@breezebreeze699 not that I've noted. I placed it where my previous sub was, which I used the subwoofer crawl to select. 👍

@taseti4803

9 ай бұрын

I think the SB 16 sounds best in movie mode. It gives you more mid-bass.

@1FastGXP

9 ай бұрын

@@taseti4803 movie mode doesn't do anything. It's just an empty default named profile for the user to play with. The only profile that SVS has tweaked out of the box is Music with two PEQ boosts in the 63hz frequency range. That's the only profile you should hear any noticeable difference. 👍

@Echo-jg8is

9 ай бұрын

"Sounds Amazing" compared to what other subs 🤔

How would you guys rate the compact Paradigm Seismic 110 subwoofer for smaller spaces?

Just out of curiosity I wonder how the old Mirage BPS 400 would fair compared to these. It had two 12” drivers in opposition to each other and hits somewhere around 16 hertz.

You can pay JTR for premium finishes and they start around 600 dollars. With that said, I have 4 JTR subs and I don't mind the flat black at all

Is the SVS SB 13 ultra still a good sub preformance wise compared the newer subs? Can it be used for home theater?

Uhm. I own the sb16 ultra. It is a great sub, but I do miss some mid bass output for my video games. Would the Arendal be better for my use? Thank you❤

Where would you place Bowers & Wilkins DB1D amongst this group?

What would be the optimal sub or subs for a Yamaha R-N 2000a and a pair of SVS Ultra Evolution Pinnacles for 2 channel audio only?

Pick the company offering the longest warranty (for the amplifier, especially) and who you think will hold inventory for parts because those plate amplifiers are disposable. As much as I love Martin Logans higher end products and electrostats, the cost of replacement parts have skyrocketed over the years and worse, they discontinue parts pretty quickly as well. I wouldnt touch the lower-end Dynamo product line, they're cheap for a reason. I still own two ML Descent subs and they are great, but much higher quality than anything from the Dynamo lineup. Rhythmik subs certainly have my attention in the future, but JL offerings are also very impressive and they offer great support (even long term).

Have you tried the REL S series subs? Yes they don't slam as much as HT subs in general, they still go pretty low. But the sound quality of them with music is so far ahead of any HT sub, and movies do have soundtracks.

I’m getting Arendal S2 hopefully won’t be disappointed

@zeta6438

7 ай бұрын

You wont, already owning 3 of them. the last is coming in a few days. yay..

Yes, you can control multiple subs with the SVS app.

considering the SB3000, do you think the mid bass would be ok (60 hz and down?)

Would loved to have seen the Rythmik Audio G25HP, G22, E15 or F18 Direct Servo subwoofer in the comparison.

@deankim6687

9 ай бұрын

For some reason it’s very rare for people to discuss Rythmik in KZread videos.

@Espiritiv

8 ай бұрын

I think its because Rythmik does not give freebies to KZreadrs, thus you gotta own it already or pay $2k to review something on a channel@@deankim6687

@roccobruno8027

8 ай бұрын

It's a shame.@@deankim6687

I have 4 SVS SB16'S in my theater room. The subs does sound better after the break in period. However, I think the sub is best for a closed off room. If you have a room that's open to other parts of your house, you will definitely have to increase the gain to compensate for the open space. I do notice when the bass starts hitting hard continuously during action scenes. The SVS display will turn off and back on. I think the sub is rebooting.

Would love to see PSA 21 inch review.

Would you take a JL e112 used for 1,000 or a new HSU 15 inch for about the same price?

Great video! Feel free to do a similar one on ported subs ;-)

How about the Arendal 1723 1S vs an SVS sb 4000

Wonder how the new HSU Research TN1 @ $1200 would fare against these expensive subs. TN1 rated extreme bassaholic rating and has output at 12.5 hz @ 96.7 dB based on CEA2010 tests. TN1 can operate in sealed and open modes due to VTF tuning options. Larson raved over the TN1 in the previews.

I also wanted a compact sealed sub after my beloved Velodyne HGS sub (which Gene has too) finally died. I have ordered a REL T/9x which was not tested here. I'm 2ch music only currently and most concerned with speed, accuracy and "musicality" of the sub, and the size. I have a small bit of space in the corner the sub can fit.

@mattjones7547

9 ай бұрын

We have a T9x in our bedroom with kef r3s and couldn't be happier with the performance but it did take a few days to open up.

@willbrink

8 ай бұрын

Got the REL, really not impressed. The Velodyne spoiled me honestly. It was also 2x the cost 20 years ago, so perhaps not a fair comparison. @@mattjones7547

I also wish JTR looked nicer. Thats the main reason I didnt consider them. I wonder how well they'd look with a vinyl wrap?

No Rythmik?

@arckanum332

9 ай бұрын

If you watched the end of the video he explains he has no experience with it, which is why it can't be fully recommended but James said it should be good based on specs

I wish the JTR looked like the Paradigm XR subs. I don’t have a dedicated theater space, so I have to factor in aesthetics for the wife. 😭

I've been looking for high performance small subs and I was very pleased to learn about Sigberg Audio 10D. I saw that they have a sub called Incognito, which has a form factor like an AVR. Very cool. Regarding this category of subs, have you tried/heard Bowers & Wilkins small dual driver subs, like the DB1D, DB2D and DB3D? They also use Hypex amplification, but with even more power, and they look awesome. I'm very curious to as how they perform, there are almost no reviews, perhaps because of the price..

@andrewpeel912

3 ай бұрын

I've owned the db2d twice (yeah I went back to it after selling the first one), great subs! Build quality is 10/10, they use also use a hypex module like the 10d, but double the size. The drivers only have a +/-10mm max excursion (I've measured this), the 10d drivers are +/- 18mm max excursion (also measured, the specs say more though...). I sold the 2nd db2d because I wanted more output, a pair of them would be great. If I went b&w subs again, I'd go db1d.

@isak6626

3 ай бұрын

@@andrewpeel912 Thanks a lot! Have you compared the DB2D against any other larger sub, like a ported 10-12 inch sub? I currently own two XTZ 10.17 Edge subwoofers, and I wonder how they compare to the DB2D as they are fairly similar in size. I can't fit anything larger, but I'd love more low-end extension and less group delay.

@andrewpeel912

3 ай бұрын

@@isak6626 I think the db2d would be about equal with your xtz10.17, but with much more control and better group delay, they're very quick, but not as quick as the JL e110, the single 10" JL was louder, deeper, and quicker than the db2d. Can you fit dual e112? I'm now running a dali euphonia as2 with 12" dual opposed scanspeak drivers (the 12" version of the sigberg 10d), and it's the best subwoofer that I've heard. Maybe you could go dual 10d, but you might take a small backwards step in output at the lower registers, but a big step forward in terms of speed

Rythmik, They have some of the deepest tightest subs on the market. Fvx15 at $1,350 is better than some of the subs on your list. How about the F18, and the mind blowing FV18 that will give you IMAX theater performance. It's like a peanut butter cup. REL tight and JTR deep at an affordable price.

I've always preferred sealed subs. My current fav: 2 SVS SB 3000 shooting for 4. One in each corner.

@MindTravelsChannel

9 ай бұрын

I've got two SB 3000s as well. They've been a game changer for me. I had one SB 3000 then decided to add a second but not expecting much difference. However, dual SB 3000s really work well subject to proper placement and EQing.

@taseti4803

9 ай бұрын

If I were you. I would rather upgrade to the SB16 subs, or wait for the new and improved SB16 that will come out in a year or so. I've had 4 SB 3000, subs and they lacked impact. The SB 3000 has some punch but 1 SB16 Ultra will blow 2 SB 3000's out of the water. From my experience, I had to baby the SB 3000 subs. Without the voice coils being blown, I couldn't push them to reference levels and above during playback with a movie with deep bass. I now have 4, Sb 16's in my setup. The SB 16 isn't that much larger than an SB 3000. Once you go big on the subs, there's no turning back.

Martin Logan subwoofers are amazing for their size.

@kylecharbonneau4954

4 ай бұрын

They don't get nearly as much love as they deserve. Definitely we'll built, fast, and sound amazing in the mid base range.

bit lacklustre when `high performance` equate to volume of bass output on a freq graph. especially when we talk this price category

May I ask why the Monolith M-215 wasn't in this lot? It is in that price range, and also can be used as a sealed with the included foam plug? It is a dual 15" sub, but I do see that two dual driver subs were tested...

@jameslarson2277

9 ай бұрын

An entirely different type of sub. It is not a natively sealed sub, and it is absolutely gigantic compared to these others. No one looking at these subs is cross-chopping with the M-215. It is a killer sub for sure, though, if you can handle the size.

You could have bought (6)- Starke Sounds Sw15s when on sale, for $2,997 shipped, this last June 2023! It was a no brainer, to pick up multiples, of the Starke Sounds, Sw15s, with that great of a price! My opinion, there was no better deal. They will sound great with music, and movies!

@xxxYYZxxx

8 ай бұрын

I was going to say a dozen 15" Dayton subs cost < $3k, offer 1800 watts RMS total, and about 12 x's the cone area, but they're vented. 🤣I would be seriously interesed in a dollar-for-dollar showdown. I can't see 12 subs losing to one.

@evilinside5984

8 ай бұрын

@@xxxYYZxxx The Starke Sound's Sw15s have been tested to play cleanly down to 10Hz in some room's, and (6) of them for $2,997, would have 2,850 Watts R.M.S/5,700 Watts peak! I hear what you're saying, but we are still trying to compare= to sound quality, output, and deep, infrasonic frequencies, which those Dayton's do "Not" dig low= below 20Hz. All though i would still like to have all of these setups tested on an SPL meter, @ 10Hz, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, 75, and 80Hz, for highest Db, @ each freq.!

Can you do this for ported subs as well? Loved the video!

What about Paradigm, ??

Which of these subs can fill a kitchen/family room 40x25 with tall ceilings. Looking for the most musical sounding two sub setup.

@Audioholics

8 ай бұрын

Watch the video

Hello Gene, James. First, thank you for this comprehensive overview. Second, I would appreciate your opinions: which would you choose and why: JTR Captivator RS1 or Perlisten R210S? I know cost is somewhat different, but aside from cost, what does each of these subs do better than the other... or is one sub superior to the other in most/all metrics and SQ? I (and likely others) would appreciate your input!

@jameslarson2277

9 ай бұрын

If you are interested in raw performance, the R210s is unlikely to match the RS1. However, if you have to weigh in other factors like appearance, features, size, easy customer support, etc., then the R210s starts to make more sense.

@Ctripp2448

9 ай бұрын

Jtr all day over perlisten for performance

@Audioholics

8 ай бұрын

@@Ctripp2448 both have incredible performance. The Perlisten produce some of the best bass I've ever heard regardless of price.

@Ctripp2448

8 ай бұрын

@@Audioholics good subs no doubt. Heard them a few times. They don’t come close to the output of jtr and funk however for the same money so much less performance for your money.

you guys really need to check out M&K Sound X10,X12, X15 subwoofers and share the tests, comparisons, results…. Dual woofers in a Push-Pull configuration!

we are missing the monolith subs..?

I love, love, love my REL!

Torn between Arendal 1723 V1 or REL HT1510

How do Velodyne subs stack up? Have a pair of old HGS 10 subs.

@Audioholics

8 ай бұрын

Good for their day, but not output or extension monsters.

In this roundup, SVS stands out in my opinion. I'm not an SVS fanboy or anything but the price performance is absolutely on point in this comparo. If we were talking about ported subs as well then no, there are better deals for gigantic ported subs, but in this roundup imo I think the choice would be clear (unless money was no object, in which case maybe the JTR).

This was a long overdo subject. Thank you

Why wasn't the monolith 13 inch 2000 on here? Technically under 2k I guess but still

I would like to know how the um18-22 sealed kit compares to the sb16 ultra

@taseti4803

9 ай бұрын

Obviously, an 18-22-inch sub is on another level than the SB 16 Ultra. The SB 16 has a very weak mid-bass. I have 10-inch down-firing Pioneer Elite subs that hit harder in the mid-bass than the SB 16 Ultra.

@Amansshed

9 ай бұрын

@@taseti4803 interesting! do you think the um18 is on par with JTR? if you have mini dsp and lets say a crown xls 1502. thanks for the reply

I love my SVS SB-16

Thank you 👏🏼👍🏼🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Great review. Btw the Rel is $1699.00

Nice review！But the CEA-2010 data of SB16 is not consistant with what you have reviewed before. PB16 in sealed mode lack the mid-bass due to the underhung design of the driver but not SB16.

@jameslarson2277

8 ай бұрын

Good catch, you are 100% correct. I don't know how I missed that. I must have been looking at the wrong row on my spreadsheet.

@Audioholics

8 ай бұрын

thanks. I added a correction note and pinned it.

What about PSA?

REL is $1999 normal price but is on sale for $1699 now

Please, what room rating would a Paradigm XR 13 receive? Large, extreme? Out of the subs presented I'd go JTR......or XR 13?

@HiFinest343

8 ай бұрын

I think the review of that sub will be coming shortly on the Audioholics channel. Shane just did an unboxing on a dual setup and he mentioned a detailed review would be dropped on the AH channel.

@jameslarson2277

8 ай бұрын

There is no way to know the room size rating of the XR13 unless it has been tested. However, it is very unlikely to have anything like the displacement of the JTR sub.

Martin Logan balancedforce 210 subwoofers are awesome.

@Audioholics

8 ай бұрын

They are indeed!