I mean... Ben Shapiro agreeing with Satanism is the strongest argument against Satanism so far Edit: I am getting way too many replies addressing the fallacious nature of this comment. It was intended as a joke. Ben Shapiro being accidentally correct about something does not, in and of itself, do anything to sway my opinion on anything.

@demonic_myst4503

Жыл бұрын

libertarianis often is inline with satanism the issue here is politicaly being libertarian while trying to hold onto a religous upbringing its a level of cognitive disodance

@thatdumbass9856

Жыл бұрын

Nah, he corrected himself.

@nahuel3433

Жыл бұрын

The Church of Satan is the cringe one. That goes full Ayn Rand The Satanic Temple is the one that seems to be pretty chill.

@Izzy-cp8yt

Жыл бұрын

@@nahuel3433 actually The Satanic Temple has some pretty significant issues of it's own. Namely suing and leading smear campaigns against those who leave and speak about wrongdoing they witnessed, and the main figurehead, Lucian, is a raging antisemite who is in favor of eugenics. That said, there are individual, usually non-denominational Satanists who are great people. It's more akin to wicca/pagan beliefs combined with humanism than an organized religion like christianity - there's a *huge* variation in what individuals believe, why they believe and follow what they do, and more.

@jonr9467

Жыл бұрын

LaVeyan Satanism is cringe.

Ben Shapiro learning that valuing individualism at the expense of others is *exactly* what got Satan banned from Heaven is the funniest irony I've ever seen.

@natmanprime4295

Жыл бұрын

its hilarious

@yishnir

Жыл бұрын

I wonder how he squares this with the right-wing 'my body, my choice' anti-vax argument?

@peagames2002

Жыл бұрын

I thought an angel wanted to be like God only for him to descend in hell. Something about pride.

@Ishl

Жыл бұрын

⁠@@peagames2002 That’s what I thought too, maybe that’s a simple illustration?

@willsmith8276

Жыл бұрын

it really exposes the narcissists though so it’s good lol

“Satan rebelled because he’s a liberta- Satan rebelled because god asked for obedience” has to be my favorite Ben Shapiro moment

@scotthullinger4684

4 ай бұрын

What might be YOUR explanation for Satan's rebellion? @tacticallemon7518 -

@RauchenWir

4 ай бұрын

@@scotthullinger4684 Satan never rebelled. The Old Testament stories just say some angels were cast out of heaven. Paradise Lost is not biblical canon, and the Bible is not all historical. There is no character "Satan, the Devil" in the Old Testament. That was a retcon by Christians. The Devil was a concept appropriated from pagan and Greek traditions, written into the New Testament. Basically, the whole question is moot, it's all fantasy. Milton had his interpretation of Satan's rebellion, filtered through the lens of his time and place. He made a bunch of stuff up, and somehow we have people alive now who take his depictions as canonical. Hilarious...ly sad.

@scotthullinger4684

4 ай бұрын

@@RauchenWir - Paradise Lost is literature, not scripture, and the Bible is absolutely historical. You're simple minded if you can't even see the allegory in scripture, let alone the actual beings who existed in the narrations, which is quite often first hand accounts of personal experiences. It's called testimony, just like in a court of law. Quite often, even the court allows nothing but testimony to guide decisions. Milton did not exist before the Old Testament, and has no part whatsoever in the discussion.

@sergmcmuffin

4 ай бұрын

​@scotthullinger4684 even still, Satan was not someone who existed in the original depiction so there is no 'Satan getting casted out' or whatever

@scotthullinger4684

4 ай бұрын

@@sergmcmuffin - Who cares about the original depiction? Not me.

Most Satanists don't believe Satan or God actually exists, they just use the terms metaphorically. Thats a point lost on many people.

@thatpotatotho6792

5 ай бұрын

I dont understand how people dont know this, they were literally created to set precedents in court against religions

@pretzelchannel1

4 ай бұрын

Serving yourself serves Satan, so in many ways you're a Satanist Also: if they are open about them actually being atheists, then they should not be afforded religious rights

@TremereTT

4 ай бұрын

Well most actual Satanists are Dualists and know the secrets to improve ones personal worldly fate by adressing the correct divine authority.

@TheGreyShaman

4 ай бұрын

I guess it's a good thing most automation systems in between mind and body haven't woken up yet.

@badart3204

4 ай бұрын

It’s just edgy athiests that named it that to get a rise out of people

That intro with the count down was fantastic, as Ben in real time realized that he was describing his own beliefs while trying to disparage Satanism.

@MatthewCaunsfield

Жыл бұрын

I know, I still have whiplash!

@therealivydawg

Жыл бұрын

How to have your cake and eat it too on full display.

@ambatuBUHSURK

Жыл бұрын

All satanists are pro fascist/neo-nz adjacent which someone like Ben & his ilk would be in blurry lines with. Whatever pro lgbtq satanism you saw on yt is basically a gimmick to piss of conservatives. That's not real satanism. Esoteric nz-ism is imho true satanism.

@CharlieKell

Жыл бұрын

​@@therealivydawg I hate this saying.

@onestupidboi9320

Жыл бұрын

I want that as a tick tock so bad

I like how Ben Shapiro isn't even hiding the fact that conservatives hate individual freedom, yet try to portray themselves as loving individual freedom. Basically, as long as you agree with them on everything, and do exactly what your caste is supposed to do, you'll get your "freedom"

@chriscortez2036

Жыл бұрын

“Selfishness is Satanic, unless it’s capitalist, then it’s good” -Ben Shapiro.

@ExUSSailor

Жыл бұрын

Individual freedom for them, authoritarianism for the rest of us.

@hmitchell9759

Жыл бұрын

As a moderate, I could say much the same of the radical left.

@robokill387

Жыл бұрын

Freedom is good as long as people aren't free to do what they want with their lives and just obey authority.

@chriscortez2036

Жыл бұрын

@@hmitchell9759 Do you know the origin of the terms “left-wing” & “right-wing ”?

Ben Shapiro sounds like an AI chatbot even when he’s not being deepfaked

@user95395

12 күн бұрын

he has autism. common symptom.

Who would’ve thought that a limited government conservative would be so mad that people aren’t blindly following an authority that purports to know best for you

@Silverauren

6 ай бұрын

A dude that litteraly threw his favorite child from the 15th floor. Dafuck he's gonna do to you?💀

@StormTheSquid

5 ай бұрын

Everyone with a brain would've thought that. "Limited government conservative" is an oxymoron, and Shapiro is the same without the oxy.

@caralho5237

4 ай бұрын

​@@StormTheSquidThe US literally had that system for close to 200 years my dude. Highly conservative and with a highly limited government.

@FirsToStrike

4 ай бұрын

Conservatives distrust the government because they tend to rely on local communities when it comes to regulation- things they can influence, the things they can't influence they'd rather leave to God than to the government.

@EthBro7889

4 ай бұрын

​@caralho5237 blindly following a regime is a totalitarian thing, not a limited government.

Ben Shapiro: "Satan rebelled because he spoke his mind against an authoritarian ruler..." *Ben remembers who his audience is** Ben Shapiro: "Satan also ate babies and stuff, because he was baddie!"

@lilpombo6219

Жыл бұрын

Mesmo fogo 😢

@alex_nov

Жыл бұрын

so ....based on the foregoing, god himself did the same,or ordered the angels to do it . аnd Satan rebelled. right? g - 2,476,633 s - 10 - Have you ever killed anyone? - Yeah, but they were all bad © True lies little Ben knows how to dominate.😏

@Rubyllim

Жыл бұрын

​@@alex_nov jesse what the fuck are you talking about

@zayy4440

Жыл бұрын

Satan was a baddie tho frfr asf

@sabersin7694

Жыл бұрын

Satan got banned from Heaven because he had the nerve to rebel against the literal creator of the fucking universe because his pride and ego were shoved too far up his ass. Lucifer is literally the embodiment of evil, not because of what he does, but because of why he does it. His evil is all based on him conjuring up a victim complex and framing god as this authoritarian ruler so he can have reason for dethroning him and taking his place. He is a contemptible, insecure, and cowardly being because he couldn't muster the strength to swallow his own pride and accept reality. He was not grateful standing by God's side, he wanted more because he was unsatisfied. He lacked humility and wanted his ego to be coddled. Evil is based on weakness.

"..this is the precise reason characters like Satan are invented; to take moral scrutiny off of oneself and place it unfairly onto another." Absolutely brilliant summation.

@funkyweapon1981

Жыл бұрын

Dracula: Perhaps the same could be said of all religions.

@immortalfrieza

Жыл бұрын

@@funkyweapon1981 Your words are as empty as your soul! Mankind ill needs a savior such as you!

@satanofficial3902

Жыл бұрын

"Because a watched clock never boils, zombie fur traders in Medicine Hat revolutionize the transmission of the quantum coherence of asteroids around Uranus. If you tell the truth long enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. With ongoing research, primary transwarp fields teleport lollipops and fairy dust as a way to demonstrate the concept of the superposition of an ox in a sealed box dancing the batusi. This raises crucial questions about the observer effect of potato salad. Quantum systems must be carefully shielded from outside interference by a kangaroo playing the didgeridoo because kangaroos are native to Austria. Once you go full rhombicosidodecahedron, you never go back. Trust the science because pizza is nature's most perfect food for black holes. Which demonstrates beyond all doubt that dangling participles deep in the heart of Texas are responsible for antiseptic moist towelettes due to electric and magnetic fields. It's based on a true story that shows merit and promise. Every major scientific advance involves challenges to a consensus and, if necessary, challenging the orthodoxy. Go, go, Power Rangers! Well, who's up for a moose lip omelet? Every 60 seconds, a minute has passed by. Astounding, but true. Cowabunga! Surf's up! Grab your boards! I am not Spock." ---Albert Einstein

@max_the_mantis5173

Жыл бұрын

It would seem that the true hero is the sabbatical goat all along the symbol who exists TO be blamed for all evil, we need someone to blame to survive in an inherently absurd and crazy world, it is human nature to make 'others' and 'enemies', so we blame things other than ourselves because we feel that we must, and that same shame, and blame, fear, and hatred, fuels our shadow and turns them into a monster. Then when we integrate that same shadow over years of realizing that the enemy we make in others exists always within us too. We meet something made of gold alchemized from within us then from out the tar. And that same former loathed enemy within us, then becomes something precious, something truly and unimaginabley valuable.

@zenbear9952

Жыл бұрын

Where it gets dangerous is when they start attriubuting this and scapegoating to real people like the conservatives are doing again

The fact that Ben had to quickly stop himself because he realized that through his description of Satan he was starting to describe himself should tell you everything you know about him.

"He consistently misrepresented this view in the video." Standard operating provider for Shapiro. I have literally never one single time seen Ben provide a well informed and good faith explanation of any position he's arguing against.

@bletspleg

22 күн бұрын

@Disco_B4ll5 the gish galloper supreme

Ben Shapiro caught himself actually using his brain for a minute, immediately shuts it off in panic.

@canalcoloradoaado

6 ай бұрын

it actually overheated and run a safety autopilot

@dontmisunderstand6041

6 ай бұрын

It's what all of the grifters do at some point. It's genuinely difficult to keep up the act consistently. Even Rush Limbaugh had many an episode where he forgets the con and actually starts genuine critical analysis, then abruptly shifts gears when he realizes he let the facade slip.

@NomadicCole

5 ай бұрын

I’d say politically, Ben Shapiro is somewhat intelligent, debate wise Shapiro is an all time great, philosophically Ben lacks intelligence and as far as religion goes Shapiro knows very little outside judeochristianity

@dontmisunderstand6041

5 ай бұрын

@@NomadicCole The main problem with Ben is that he's BAD at debating. The only people his argumentation appeals to are the people who already decided that their opinions would never change before the debate started; fundamentally, that means he's the worst possible debater that can ever exist, as the purpose of debate is to change people's minds.

@NomadicCole

5 ай бұрын

@@dontmisunderstand6041 you could make the same case about various other debaters including left wing ones like vaush for example. Shapiro is good at debating, especially at debating ppl who do t know how to debate, he’d destroy Biden and trump in a debate for certain. But his problem is when he comes across a more open minded person or a person with a better grasp on a subject then he does hence why he’s lost debates against Joe rogan, Neil degrasse Tyson and a Christian preacher guy.

I love that part in The Sandman when one of Satan's minions says "better to reign in hell than serve in heaven" and Satan snaps back "I never said that, Milton did!"

@DropIt56

Жыл бұрын

Gonna have to rewatch for this since I watched The Sandman before I had any knowledge of Milton.

@billmozart7288

Жыл бұрын

@@DropIt56 not sure if that dialog made it in to the show

@CulixIII

Жыл бұрын

@@billmozart7288 IIRC, Lucifer says that during events that haven't been adapted yet. It'll probably be a thing to watch for in season 2.

Great video. Thanks for your work!

Such an excellent analysis, especially the ending. I've seen your videos before, but this is the one that caused me to subscribe

I love how Ben Shapiro paint Satan out to be a libertarian without realizing he's done that

@willsmith8276

Жыл бұрын

it’s almost like they hold the same moral values and ideologies

@lessimcdowell9897

Жыл бұрын

This is a complex issue but I will do my best to explain my opinion dynasties are for royal and godly blood and the noble’s peons are to mirror these dynasties by forming nuclear families because the best way to conserve a way of life and the economy of a noble family is by making that way of life the only way of life. The father became the only provider and the mother became the caregiver that does the work that does not generate income. Before liberalism which is the concept that it is every man and family for themselves, no one cared how many children there was to feed, there was no such reason for abortion. An orphan was a concept that did not exist, children had large support systems. females were competitive and driven like males and parents did not resent their children because there were select teachers and wet nurses in the community that took care of all the children like a school staff. There wasn’t pressure only on 1 or 2 individuals to be the only ones responsible for the result of a child or family. Liberalism added much pressure on both the male and female individual. much like the nuclear family, nobles taught their peons liberal concepts like that it was a good thing to be rich just like they taught their children but after 3 major slave revolts, the ancient Roman owner class led by Constantine commissioned an enforced propaganda campaign to teach the children of the poor that it was a good thing to be poor and as a matter of fact it was the only way to avoid a Buddhist hell. The mascot of this propaganda campaign is also based off of the Hasidic nature of Buddhism and this new liberalism would create antisemitism and the over reliance on charity and abortions because of the mass impoverishment they were engineering. The owner class was fed up with old liberalism and saw it as an existential threat and seemed to have wanted the poor to retreat back into social labor(labor that was done for the greater good of a community without any other monetary incentive) while they became the masters of the market. The poor were meant to become god fearing and obedient, Hell did not exist in the Old Testament, it was purely a Roman invention to condition slaves and the poor. “Obey your Earthly masters as if they are the lord Christ himself,” this passage I have presented is a way for the owners to become living martyrs because they are sacrificing their everlasting souls by accumulating riches and providing us with the earthly comforts that come from these riches. 1500+ years later and out of fear of massive debt, nobles lost control of their capital by allowing national corporations like the east India trade co to accumulate profits and by the 1700s, assembly lines and industrialism began in small spurts around the globe. The noble’s peons became the subjects of land owners and capitalists and this generation of laborers understood that they were being purposely paid low amounts to remain dependent on their employers. before assembly lines, there was no such thing as a low skilled class, there were only people that were poor or undomesticated from rural areas and people from areas with capital, tradesmen passed trade down to children(local trade names were passed down too) and most were in high demand and their profits represented their demand in the labor market. Fathers and sons owned their capital before industrialism turned their trades into artisan craft. Many of these former tradesmen that now found themselves on an assembly line where it took multiple people to produce one thing, saw that the owners took mass amounts of the surplus value that used to go to them when they produced goods by themselves when they were the owners. Owners control the distribution of surplus because they own the capital. What is surplus value? It is the profit made from labor, if it only costs 15 cents to produce a good, and that product then sells on the local market for $10, then the surplus value is $9.85. What is capital? It’s 3 things: 1 natural resources or the raw materials it requires to produce goods or provide services, 2 the machinery to extract natural resources or produce goods or provide services, and 3 property. So the workers make the owners rich all day everyday and the profits they create only contribute to two entities, the business owner and the landlord, it’s a manipulated labor market that only benefits the owners. This is the maintaining of a low skilled class, the point is to make sure the workers don’t become financially independent. Modern day rand advocates claim to be libertarians but the first libertarians were the diggers and completely anti capitalist. They were closer to a non democratic communism.

@lessimcdowell9897

Жыл бұрын

So after all my studies on propaganda and social engineering, I became a communist that understands the elites use charity to protect their profits. Charity isn’t bad but teaching children to rely on charity and remain poor is immoral. Organize your family and friends into a worker cooperative.

@schadenfreude3236

Жыл бұрын

Shapiro tells on himself a lot without realizing it. Like the time he said women don't get wet when sexually aroused. Something his wife supposedly told him. Which made me laugh so hard I almost threw up.

@schadenfreude3236

Жыл бұрын

@@fraskf6765 Lol, right?

Ben, people don't think John Milton's take on Lucifer was a "hero". He was a classical example of an anti-hero, which, at the time, was much more nuanced than most other interpretations of the Devil.

@theoneandonly-lu5cf

Жыл бұрын

No he was a villain. Straight up evil.

@WikiSorcerer

Жыл бұрын

@@theoneandonly-lu5cf Like I said. _Classical_ Anti-Hero.

@RiftVaulter

Жыл бұрын

@@WikiSorcererthat is the scholarly position proposed in almost every paper written on paradise lost since it’s been punlished

@Gildedmuse

Жыл бұрын

Also, he was MEANT to be "convincing". His speeches to the masses were meant to get them behind him, talking about how they deserve to be equal to God and not be ruled by a tyrant, and then turns around and becomes a tyrant himself. He also spoils humanity out of pure jealousy. His speeches do not match his actions, that is a big part of what makes him a compelling (not necessarily good, but compelling) character.

@ajm5007

10 ай бұрын

@@theoneandonly-lu5cf good job proving you've never actually read Paradise Lost.

Bravo. Couldn't have summed this up better myself. 👏👏

It’s important to note though that as a jew, Ben doesn’t believe in satan.

@josephmartin5483

18 күн бұрын

With terms like thoughts become things it makes me wonder if people are manifesting Satan through collective dreaming because we live in the matrix.

@el88997

7 күн бұрын

neither did anon la vey or ayn rand. also jews

Honestly Satan is an incredibly well constructed character in Paradise Lost - he asks fair questions and with honesty and insight. Satan also gets a huge amount of “screen time.” Eve also makes the PL god look like a jerk as she explains how she was created without any understanding of the “rules,” she didn’t know that what Adam was saying was true as god never spoke directly to her, and yet she was blamed for responding as a thinking and feeling being in her own right. It’s absolutely brilliant material. Shelley also supported the rights of women (even though his personal life with women was sketch he fully supported women’s rights re inheritance etc )

@eeveenyx3745

Жыл бұрын

Satan in PL is my favorite literary character of all time. And poor Eve… the way she is treated makes Milton’s God look horrible. I really wonder how many people who talk about Paradise Lost have actually read the full text. I’ve read it like 3 times now and I still catch new things on every read.

@SeptemberStranger28

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I completely agree with you there. It really shaped the perspective of how I view religion. Also, off topic, but this whole video reminded me of that one meme that made Satan sound rad as heck: "God says to believe in him, Satan says to believe in yourself!"

@SnoopofClash

Жыл бұрын

Am I missing something or did you guys just completely ignored the fact that god was portrayed as a constant unshakable source of morality and throughout the story remains consistent, whereas satan kept changing his answers based on what he could tell himself to carry out his acts even if this is not what he truly meant? Such as saying god is evil because he rules over everyone but then goes in to build a diamond altar so he can rule instead of god?

@eeveenyx3745

Жыл бұрын

@@SnoopofClash No, Satan was a giant hypocrite. I just thought God in Paradise Lost was a worse one. If someone agrees with the morality of Milton’s God, then I can see how they would see him as an unshakable source of morality. For a number of different reasons, I saw him as a cruel tyrant, not the least of which was the treatment of Eve. I don’t think that alleged Paradise was ever a paradise for her when she was constantly said to have been made to be weaker and morally inferior. I’m not even an atheist. I just though Milton’s version of God was a total dick and an all powerful one at that. Satan, by comparison, felt a lot more human. Was he a great person? No. But he was relatable, and the things he rebelled against were things God did that I also found objectionable. That’s a well written character to me. I have a lot of mixed feelings about him, and it makes me think a lot when I analyze him. Milton’s God on the other hand? He’s just the product of a mortal man in the 17th century trying to write a being who is the moral absolute. I’m a 21st century woman. Milton and I don’t have the same morals. To each their own. I’m not the same religion as Milton was so I believe different things. If I wrote my portrayal of God, it would be very different and Milton would disagree with it.

@SeptemberStranger28

Жыл бұрын

@QNaay God isn't seen as evil because he's a king. He's seen as evil for his actions. He has a much higher kill count than Satan, for starters. He wiped out the entire planet with a flood rather than just snapping his fingers and painlessly making everyone disappear. Why make them suffer? If God can do anything, why resort to drowning innocent kids alongside the supposed monsters of the world? Secondly, he killed the youngest of every family in Egypt just to punish one man. This punishment also included low-class Egyptians who didn't own one single alleged slave. Or did ALL of Egypt deserve this? Are Egyptians inherently evil? Third, the story of Job. God literally *gambled with the Devil* over whether or not his most devoted follower would stay loyal to him. It'd be like if someone said, "Your pet only loves you because you don't kick it!" What would you do? Kick your pet to prove that they would still love you? Besides, God is omniscient. Why would he have to prove that Job was loyal when he knew everything? The worst part of that story is the fact that God killed Job's kids, innocent bystanders who had nothing to do with the bet. To compensate for this, God gave Job twice the number of kids as he had before. Which feels super messed up, as if God simply saw humans as livestock that could be replaced without a care. But I guess I understand. Why would God bring anyone's kids back to life? That would be impossible! ...Oh, wait. His own kid!! Which brings us to our next topic, Jesus. Why was Jesus created? Why couldn't God just say "I forgive you" and be done with everything? Why did he have to murder his own kid to prove a point? If God can do anything, why didn't he just sacrifice himself? Killing YOURSELF for your creation sounds like much more of a sacrifice than killing your own kid. Especially considering that God had already been doing that with mankind for ages beforehand. But no, God didn't even do that. He forced a woman to give birth to his son, then promptly had that son killed despite him literally *weeping* with terror a few passages beforehand. He begged God for another way to get the job done. But not even the Creator of All can do that, huh? And on the topic of the sin of the whole tree and fruit thing, why is God punishing people WAY past Adam and Eve's time for something those two did? Why must we pay the price? What did we do, other than associate with a "corrupted bloodline?" Ah, right, sorry, I forgot that God sees certain people as inherently evil, like the Egyptians. And also all of the other nations wiped out/assimilated by the old Christian tribes in the Bible. EDIT: And instead of listening to Satan and trying to help the two of them repair their father/son relationship, God MADE AN ENTIRE DIMENSION DEDICATED TO TORTURING HIM AND THE ANGELS WHO QUESTIONED HIM. He is all-powerful, no? So how could it be IMPOSSIBLE for God to use his words and make peace? I'll tell you why. And this is another sin that God is guilty of. Pride. This is the same God that almost slaughtered his only followers left alive because they danced around a golden bull statue. The ONLY reason he didn't do so was because Moses calmed him down. Pride and Wrath, sins that God is infamous for. Sin so great, so powerful, God was willing to kill the only people who knew he even existed in a temper tantrum.

Anyone else notice that Ben randomly throws in the word "sexual" when talking about pleasures? (when he's bashing Shelley and his view of Satan). Like my dude, no one has mentioned sex. The only one using the word sexual is you!

@OdinsSage

7 ай бұрын

I find many people like him making non-sexual things weirdly sexual at any given moment.

@eg_manifest510

4 ай бұрын

it's easy to turn sex into a bad thing, weirdly. For the thing that led to our existence we sure are hard-coded to despise it. So just throwing it into talks of people looking to enjoy themselves it goes from "yeah everybody should be allowed to have fun as long as it doesn't encroach on us" to "eww sex is icky you can't do that" even when that wasn't the specified form of fun

@hamnchee

4 ай бұрын

...sexually

@S.I.U.

2 ай бұрын

Well observed lol

Thank you for this content.

Beautiful video, amazing script.

What's most bizarre in all this is that Orthodox Judaism doesn't really even believe in Satan or have any lore behind who/what he is. Ben has basically become Christian.

@jasonsabbath6996

Жыл бұрын

100%! My family are not orthodox Jews, but we are reform Jews and I was never taught that Satan was real and was never taught there was a hell or a devil. I learned that stuff from my Christian friends and can't understand why Benny here Carrie's on about things he doesn't believe in. It's bizarre!

@codyhelms2556

Жыл бұрын

"Ben has basically become a Christian" assumes a level of honesty that I would not ascribe to Ben Shapiro. I think it's more likely that Ben knows who his audience is and is espousing their beliefs in order to cater to that audience. It's all in the grift.

@jerrimenard3092

Жыл бұрын

I know that the first time I heard all this sort of talk, it was from Christian people. The faith I was raised in sort of saw Lucifer as Prometheus like. He was just doing his job. Adam at the fall, by his choice, brought death into the world. He's the Lord of this world or what Christians call Satan. To me, Adam is God of this world after the fall up. He is nothing like Ben went on about. So, the way Ben views Satan is foreign to me. It's like something from South Park. I have never heard a Jewish person say anything like that. It's so strange.

@teehee4096

Жыл бұрын

I wonder how the idea of Satan became so different in Judaism's daughter religions (Christianity and Islam). As a Muslim kid I was raised with the belief that Satan was literally real, a spirit made of smokeless flame who is the father of the jinn. The jinn are a race of beings that apparently can't see us, but we can see them. And they can choose to become good or bad, like us, though most of them lean towards evil. My mom taught me that most desires we have to sin are just Satan whispering into our ears. Literally whispering. As a kid I had OCD, so it was NOT a fun experience to think that these intrusive obsessions and compulsions were the Devil's fault...

@jonr9467

Жыл бұрын

He's not, he just doesn't want to lose those Christian dollars.

Some days ago my daughter remembered me this: - In the Bible, Satan is just a guy who asks questions.

@ovelhoranzinza4021

Жыл бұрын

@@ziwuri Asking questions?

@sh1h0nag3

Жыл бұрын

@@ovelhoranzinza4021 I think they're referring to the old "just asking questions" gambit as a preface to a bad faith argument, as opposed to healthy curiosity/skepticism...as a for instance: wasn't Elon Musk "just asking questions" when he tweeted to propagate the homophobic smear on Nancy Pelosi's husband after he was attacked? (Please correct me if I'm wrong!)

@jaredpetersen277

Жыл бұрын

Not sure what questions he asked. In the bible he has an eye disease though. Wait. I know he ask Jesus to do some stuff.

@diansc7322

Жыл бұрын

​@@jaredpetersen277 eye disease?

@rosspunzo1876

Жыл бұрын

According to the Book of Job, Satan (the Tempter) caused death, destruction, and illness in an attempt to get Job to curse God.

I’m an atheist. I was raised Catholic and will always reserve an interest in all of this. Wherever you want to put your belief people need to remember that Paradise lost was a work of fiction. I have heard so many times people who are Christian and people who fancy themselves in line with the church of Satan site this book as if it were scripture. It is not. It would be like a devote Star Trek fan siting some fan fiction spinoff as part of the original series. The original series is fiction but adding some rando’s contribution to it just doesn’t work no matter how cool their writings might be.

Excellent Video. Great analisys

The funniest thing about Ben Shapiro is that you can't tell the difference between him and an AI. Even funnier when you realize most of his points also sound AI generated.

@Tia-gy1ij

Жыл бұрын

@Don't Read My Profile Picture Damn you... I literally clicked away from the video trying to read your profile picture! DAMN REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY!

@justsomeguy898

Жыл бұрын

@@Tia-gy1ij for future reference, those comments are left by bots. best to report them as spam and move on

@OWnIshiiTrolling

Жыл бұрын

I thought the AI was a bit clunky, until I heard him speak. The AI is spot on. Ben Shapiro just actually is that clunky.

@NickBush24

Жыл бұрын

Ben Shapiro is AI because he's an artificial person created solely through the power of money and capitalism.

@TheRogueCommand

Жыл бұрын

Man really sounds like Mandark from Dexter's Lab

You know… an authors portrayal of a character doesn’t necessarily mean that what the character does is intrinsically true. Like- if you write someone who you think is a bad guy, but they do things understood to be good, you can’t say that because the author wrote them as a bad guy that the things they do are bad.

@imjessietr29

Жыл бұрын

I haven’t played it but it sounds like the summary of Hogwarts Legacy. 😂

@rohanking12able

Жыл бұрын

Eren Yeager

@pillowboy7995

Жыл бұрын

Idk man sounds like "literally me sigma" type characters you're describing.

@randomuserwitharandomname6183

Жыл бұрын

@@imjessietr29 Could you elaborate on that a bit?

@skyethemin4922

Жыл бұрын

This is just the old age equivalent of someone putting themselves in a meme as the chad and someone else as the wojak and it backfiring horribly .

Awesome! Now I know what to call him whenever someone brings up the topic!

that was meticulously and beautifully crafted presentation of Mr. Shapiro's and the Daily Wire's position as it foundationally agrees with Satanism. Huzzah Sir!!! I loved it!!

@VGKFAN37

5 ай бұрын

John 3:16 New International Version 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. Look up the shroud of Turin. It's impossible to remake and the closest they ever got to debunking it. They took a sample from the wrong piece of the cloth

@PaganCollegePontiff

5 ай бұрын

​@@VGKFAN37 Thank You for your attempt. I realize you may be concerned for my soul but The shroud does not prove the resurrection only his death if it's the real burial shroud. Blessed BE you and peace 2 you. As to what this has to do with either commentary on Mr. Shapiro's agreement with Ayn Rand's philosophy or GMS's commentary I am unsure. Peace be upon you and your family and the blessings of the ancestors be yours as well.

Actually Satan makes a way more interesting point in Paradise Lost. His goals are completely selfish, but he states something that stuck with me forever, despite his duplicitous nature. That is, that God's power is the only determining factor in what is right or wrong. That whoever is highest may decide what is best. Satan would be just as guilty as God in this argument if he found victory. So too anyone in power, whose power is the sole moral justifier of what they do. Furthermore, Satan actually considers repenting! He only throws this out upon realizing that even if God's forgiveness were infinite, he would only fall again and again. And to further compound this, Satan correctly deducts that he is the way he is because God *made* him with those innate qualities; the very qualities that cause his discontent in the first place. And Beelzebub even chimes in, wondering if their fall was planned by God all along. If anything they fall right into God's trap and become cogs in some horrible self-fulfilling prophecy.

@themanchestercollective3616

Жыл бұрын

Satan believes might is right then. Like the Nazis attempting to usurp the power of Jewish supremacy Satan plays his part in creating the bible prophecy that the Isrealites will rule the world after Armaggedon.

@TheAbsol7448

Жыл бұрын

This actually reminds me of the plot of one of my favorite games, Xenoblade. That game gets pretty philosophical about prophecy and prewritten futures, and the plot is centered around defying it.

@ioann235

Жыл бұрын

Power is not a moral justifier! We achieve the knowledge of good and evil by experience (the possibility came from the fruit). Morals keep everyone, no matter their moral actions, in harmony.

@serenaleahy-higgins3

11 ай бұрын

But gods word is law right? Why is gods word law? Your personal morals are shaped by gods word. Thou shalt not steal thou shalt not kill. Those are things everyone agrees with to some degree. A social contract. But then you have the ideas like man shall not lie with man. That's something that millions of people around the world think is okay to do. People either support it or don't really care either way. Why do you think God is right and everyone else is wrong? Because your God is eternal and all knowing right? The most powerful.

@TheAbsol7448

11 ай бұрын

@@serenaleahy-higgins3 What puts me off from that is the inconvenient little fact that we can't know whether that's even real or not, at least in life. I'd feel cheated if I didn't happen to follow the one correct belief because there's nothing that actually proves it.

Isn't he literally describing libertarianism when he talks about satan?

@Redpoppy80

Жыл бұрын

Shapiro is the textbook definition of Christian Fascism.

@joe94c

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but he tried his best to hide that

@ariwoodshany4308

Жыл бұрын

It depends on you version of Satan? In some cases people see him more as a leftist.

@sylvester5022

Жыл бұрын

​@@ariwoodshany4308 I don't think leftism & libertarianism are mutually exclusive, libertarian can work in both political contexts

@demonic_myst4503

Жыл бұрын

@@sylvester5022 woo woo your about start a civil war mate , left wing libertarians thing capitalists are facists and right wing libertarians think left wing libertarians are just tankies so the we are all libertarian point despite sounding inocent is contrioversial

Just learned about this channel. Love this guy. Easiest Subscribe of my life; keep up the great work dude. Reality's hard to maintain sometimes. Edit: Still love this guy. This was my first introduction to satanism outside of baby eating stuff.

Ben looks nervous. He has to be very careful not to upset his master 👿 He’s also giving us insight into why Israel feels justified in perpetuating evil against the Palestinians.

The 10th circle of hell involves listening to Ben's voice for eternity

@phileas007

Жыл бұрын

great! now I do need to be saved.

@robertpodbery242

Жыл бұрын

best reason for praising god, i have ever heard

@USA_UNITED1776

Жыл бұрын

@@robertpodbery242 I can one up it. He is arguing with Jordan petersson on a joe rogan podcast and it's played on surround sound speakers on 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000+ volume plus... you just got pranked.

@robertpodbery242

Жыл бұрын

@@USA_UNITED1776 You would have had to commit some serious crimes, to deserve that🙃

@OneBiteoftheCherry

Жыл бұрын

​@@USA_UNITED1776 Peterson is great though

Ik Shapiro would be so upset if a non-believer told him "facts don't care about your feelings" I just know it

@thegoldavenger.3829

Жыл бұрын

His facts are better than your facts obviously

@Knightfall-rb7md

11 ай бұрын

Ik this is kinda late,but I don’t think we can determine if a belief is a fact or not yet,as we don’t know what happens after we die(if anything at all). For now,everyone has to believe in something,whether that there is an afterlife or there isn’t one. Whether there is a god or no god.

@narrativeless404

11 ай бұрын

​@@Knightfall-rb7mdBelief is never a fact It's just a belief Ideal way to be is to believe in proven facts and discard everything else

@divyanshsingh1078

10 ай бұрын

@@thegoldavenger.3829 logical fallacy spotted

@real.snatch

9 ай бұрын

​@@narrativeless404Living cells cannot form naturally from non-living material, it's yet to be proven with an example, should you discard abiogenesis ?? That only leaves one other option that someone created it

I personally believe that the highest moral achievement is to make the people you love love you back for your personality.

@Todd-ml8lx

4 ай бұрын

Isn't that psychopathy?

@kogasoldier9379

4 ай бұрын

I can get behind it.

@kogasoldier9379

4 ай бұрын

@@Todd-ml8lxi guess if you’re taking the term “make them love you” out of context and assuming there’s some form of coercion involved, but that requires you to ignore the “for your personality” part…

@weshouser821

18 күн бұрын

You can't make someone love you, but you can still love them if they don't

Ben Shapiro is just "talk fast, act confident about what you say, ridiculise opposing arguments to make them sound wrong, cut anyone arguing with you mid sentence". Add some complicated words to make everything sound very serious and logical. But in the end, he is not really anything exceptional, but he's good at getting people following him.

@satanofficial3902

Жыл бұрын

"Tracking sequences of a focused stream of energy can achieve deep cleaning and easily remove cat litter from potato salad. As they rotate around each other, frequencies of brainwaves will output scientific gobbledegook for the simplest explanation of cactus flowers becoming superconductive. Gut health is an often overlooked component of volcanic tuff with sensible changes to solving mathematical equations equal to the sum of dangling participles. Doesn’t that sound nice? There are many variations to consider when the weather is fine and sunny. Use trains as ultimate problem solvers with atmospheric imaging scanning based on a true story about gravitational lensing caused by a black hole made of banana pudding. If you build it, they will come. It's important to note that a group of neurons representing the mathematics of isospin holds the only key to iconic roadside attractions. Make yourself at home in the Twilight Zone tectonically active in the form of subduction events. Always look to challenge the status quo." ---Albert Einstein

@EmperorSeramir

Жыл бұрын

You nailed it.

@meelooxavier6502

Жыл бұрын

I am a bit confused... you said "Ben Shapiro", but you seem to have described Jordan Peterson

@RainbowFlowerCrow

Жыл бұрын

​@@meelooxavier6502 😂 I was thinking the same thing! That's Jordan Peterson to a *T!*

@jacobd1984

Жыл бұрын

@@meelooxavier6502 Well, that depends on what you mean by "described" and "Jordan" and "Peterson"

The begginning of the video is just GOLDEN. He accidentally began talking about satanism the exact same way he talks about capitalism

Honestly? Lakes of sulfur? Do they have nitrogen too? Am i allowed to make amino acids? I have zero qualitications, but have a mild understanding as a chemistry student of slovenia in 8th grade, b, third group.

Well done, Bro!

"He rebels because god demands good things of him..." No, Benny, he rebels because god demands. Period. The god/devil dichotomy is not good and evil, it is obedience and freedom. You were so close, and yet you missed completely. God demands obedience, even if you don't know the difference between good and evil (Adam and Eve). The whole argument is moot.

@pineapplepenumbra

Жыл бұрын

"moot", but other than that, yes, I agree.

@alanmiller7875

Жыл бұрын

@@pineapplepenumbra yep yep... hadn't had coffee yet, thanks for catching that.

@pineapplepenumbra

Жыл бұрын

@@alanmiller7875 I don't drink coffee, and sometimes type things phonetically, even though I know how they're spelt. I never used to do that, maybe it's due to not being young any more, or maybe it's due to lack of caffeine in my system?

@alanmiller7875

Жыл бұрын

@@pineapplepenumbra caffeine is wonderful... I don't even like coffee. I do love how my brain works when I'm high on it though.

@Izzy-cp8yt

Жыл бұрын

This right here is precisely why (among MANY reasons) I have zero desire to follow the christian god, and instead identify myself as a Satanist. I love the concise why you spelled this out PERFECTLY.

It still baffles me that anyone was ever offended by Sam Smith wearing what looked like a cheesy adult Halloween costume 😂

@bladerunner3314

Жыл бұрын

I think the shoes clash with the hat, but that's partly my bad hip speaking.

@OWnIshiiTrolling

Жыл бұрын

It was specifically designed to offend people who obviously would be offended. It is peak normie cringe.

@archapmangcmg

Жыл бұрын

The "big, tough right wing" reveal themselves to be the snowflakes they mock at every turn.

@HumanimalChannel

Жыл бұрын

Truly? It is the entire look, Thebsong...Body Shop Its all very dark

@oldvlognewtricks

Жыл бұрын

I doubt he was even really offended… it was a viral trend and he has grift to sell 🤷🏻‍♂️

I forget where I heard it, but sometimes once described Ben Shapiro as a "professional opinion haver" and I still think that's the best description of him I've ever heard.

Well done! 👏💜

*_Speaking On Behalf Of Satan_** ;* How in the hell, did Ben gain all of this _"intimate knowledge"_ about Satan's internal thoughts and reasoning ?

@ChristianL3399

Жыл бұрын

He read the book... And I don't mean the Bible...

@moodyrick8503

Жыл бұрын

@@ChristianL3399 I'm not 100% certain but, I think that "Dante's Inferno" & the non-cannon gospel, the "apocalypse of Peter", are the main sources for the most common view of Hell & Satan. Most ironic, is that Ben is a Jew, and they don't have a literal hell (place of eternal suffering), in Judaism. _So WTF ??_

@hollandscottthomas

Жыл бұрын

NARRATOR: He didn't.

@k.c.r.5974

Жыл бұрын

Satan is every zionists one true God.

@spehhhsssmarineer8961

Жыл бұрын

@@moodyrick8503 Yeah this Ben guy really makes true Christians and Jews look bad. In reality, the concept of hell being an inferno of torture is the result of Dante ripping the idea from the Macedonians. No one goes to hell and Satan is not the bad guy; Satan is just the libertarian counter-balance to God’s order.

Problem is Shapiro isn’t concerned with actually understanding people. Thus he isn’t actually concerned with truth but rather being “right”.

@demonic_myst4503

Жыл бұрын

that isnt issue here he seems be torn between two contradicting ideologies right wing libertarianism which is anti colectivist , pro individualism and sees control even by a benevelent ruler as wrong and Christianity which believe a benevelent ruler is what humanity need and indevidualism is evil

@Kylora2112

Жыл бұрын

@@demonic_myst4503 "Republican Jesus" is one of my favorite meme templates.

@kirstencorby8465

Жыл бұрын

Or even worse, to "win."

@Alpostpone

Жыл бұрын

@@Kylora2112 May I interest you in the "Gospel of Supply Side Jesus"

@donaldlawson1334

Жыл бұрын

@@demonic_myst4503 I agree that this is the dilemma he finds himself in but I think part of the reason he’s in the dilemma in the first place is because he isn’t approaching the issue from an objective place but rather a place motivated by indoctrination and also emotion.

You are extremely elegant and coherent in your speaking. Your point at the end about the moral high ground and scapegoating Satan while hypocritically embracing his general philosophy was very profound and something I've noticed but suck at putting into words.

Im a literature nerd, and I feel like Ben is either missing or avoiding mentioning a very important detail about why Satan rebels in Paradise Lost. He was pretty much the number one angel until God announced he was creating the Son and that the angels were to serve him as they did God. Satan didn’t want to be forced to serve the Son and be subordinate. He felt like he had put in a lot of work in the service of God and was basically shafted and told to be even more subordinate now. There’s a lot of parallels to Vondel’s Lucifer (and you can see a lot of its influence and lines taken as inspiration) which was written not long before Paradise Lost and in which God tells the angels he is making Man and the angels must bow to and serve that. Satan, at least in the translation I have, objects to being a slave to Man. Paradise Lost had a running theme of structures and hierarchies portrayed as good things (when created so by God) and a huge emphasis on how Eve’s role is to be inferior and subservient to Adam. It was pretty in favor of marginalizing some groups in favor of the preferred social order. Satan is frequently interpreted as a Trumpian figure by some, a populist leader who fails a coup and whose lies lead his cult-like followers into ruin. But I think people who interpret it that way miss the fact that the thing that sparked his rebellion was being thrust into a role of non-consensual servitude. He’s not rebelling against all that is good as Shapiro claims. Yes, he’s arrogant and has a little too much ego and declares himself monarch of his own people through some shady means. He’s not a great guy, but he is one of the most complex and rich and morally ambiguous characters in English literature, which is why I love him. He’s not rebelling against “all that is good”, at least not at first. He’s rebelling against the idea of serving the Son (aka Jesus). And I have to wonder how closely Ben read the book considering I don’t think he’s on Team Jesus either. And I wouldn’t be surprised if one could interpret some 17th century antisemitism in Milton’s framing that Satan was evil for having served God faithfully but not being willing to embrace and serve Jesus. Paradise Lost is a many many layered and complicated text and it’s not so easy to reduce to the talking points Ben and a lot of people try to make about it.

@AleisterCrowleyMagus

Жыл бұрын

As a lit professor Shapiro is also missing that Milton is no way belonged to the much later Romantic movement and it’s absurd for him to keep making that claim. The Romantics = 1800s (not counting Blake right now). Milton wrote in the 1600s.

@darwinskeeper421

Жыл бұрын

I'm not so sure about Ben Shapiro's relationship with Jesus. My understanding is that he is Jewish, so he should have no personal connection with Jesus. Still, the Daily Wire is a modern right wing media outlet, which I would expect to get a lot of his support from evangelical Christians. Thus, while he might not personally believe in Jesus Christ, he does have a business relationship with him.

@eeveenyx3745

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, my point was that he has no personal relationship with Jesus. But I hadn’t thought about a business relationship with Jesus and his followers.

@eeveenyx3745

Жыл бұрын

@@AleisterCrowleyMagus I hadn’t even noticed he said that about Milton. I just assumed mention of the romantics was about Shelley, but that might just be my brain not having been able to process that someone who went on air or tv or wherever to talk about Paradise Lost didn’t know it came out in 1667. Or that 1667 wasn’t the same as the Romantic period. Btw, you have my dream job lol

@eragon78

Жыл бұрын

@@darwinskeeper421 The jews actually do believe in Jesus, they just dont think he was the son of God, but rather just a saint. That said, I honestly dont even know if Shapiro is religious at all or not at this point. He's a full on grifter who clearly doesnt believe half the shit he says and only makes these arguments because he gets money for it. He changes his opinions and contradicts himself all the time in an instant when whatever company is paying him wants him to. So when his entire career is based on lies and scamming people, its hard to tell what he actually believes. I legit wouldnt be surprised at all if he was actually an atheist, and knows everything he says is full of shit, but just uses all these shitty arguments because he doesnt care and just wants money. I mean he probably is still genuinely religious, I just wouldnt be surprised if he wasnt. When everything he says and does is built upon lies and manipulating people, then you cant be certain about ANYTHING he believes.

It should also be noted that Satan isn't actually depicted as God's enemy in the Hebrew scriptures. He's more like an employee whose job is to test human obedience.

@mxdahliabelle

Жыл бұрын

It should also be noted that the GOP is the antithesis of Jesus's beliefs and teachings and should be more open and honest about their love of Satan.

@coff2034

Жыл бұрын

yeah, him and god casually going for a vacation to the casino to bet on job’s life proves it tenfold

@OWnIshiiTrolling

Жыл бұрын

@@coff2034 They literally team up to have a giggle at ruining a man's life, and then go "here's a new wife, lol." That whole book is a boys night out.

@funkyweapon1981

Жыл бұрын

@@OWnIshiiTrolling It's funnier when you realize that they're the same dude.

@pineapplepenumbra

Жыл бұрын

@@coff2034 The oldest book of the bible, Job, is thought to be Arabic in origin. It would make sense, as some of its psychopathic sentiments are echoed in the qur'an. The word, "Satan", was originally a title, and is applied to humans in the OT.

good video mate. enjoyed

"Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss" -John Milton, Paradise Lost

The problem is, of course, that Shapiro knew that his audience would be incapable of seeing deeper than the surface of Satanism. They hear "Satan", and they knee-jerk to hearing "evil". I doubt I'll ever join any group that call itself Satanist mainly because of all the baggage that comes along with it. While amusing to turn christian theology on its head to prove a point, I often think of it as needlessly theatrical. Plus, introvert that I am, joining a group requires a lot effort, which is contrary to my lazy nature.

@baalzagoroth4693

Жыл бұрын

1. Not all Satanic organizations are reactionary (reverse-christianity) 2. Satanism is a left hand path belief system, therefore it is unnecesary to join an organization.

@joegame4576

Жыл бұрын

there's no need to invent satanism when humanism already exist. they're the same thing.

@gorkemaykut5230

Жыл бұрын

​@@joegame4576 that didn't stopped religious people from pumping out several of them

@joegame4576

Жыл бұрын

@@gorkemaykut5230 I don’t understand what you mean

I was already an atheist when I read Paradise Lost for a college historical literature class. Luckily, we were focusing on the literary elements of the piece. Our professor, a Catholic, told us that Satan would seem appealing at first, and then Milton would prove how Satan was wrong at the end of the book. Unfortunately, I ended up reading it three times, trying to figure out when Satan became the "bad guy". Satan was not the bad guy. I was slightly happy about that at the time.

@XnonTheGodd

Жыл бұрын

I can't imagine the urge to be like "Hey prof, Satan seems like an okey guy, don't ya think?"

@chirho8657

Жыл бұрын

Okay but satan is bad, the real satan and his demons are true evil.

@crissdace8358

Жыл бұрын

Well ys Satan isnt a bad guy he's literally just a usurper considering God is metaphysical Satan pretty much got a slap on the wrist as a punishment considering he literally got a kingdom for trying to usurp his father king, and his god.

@jverch2306

Жыл бұрын

You might be worse than Satan himself if you think Satan isn’t the bad guy 😂😂😂

@daphneglasurus7886

Жыл бұрын

@@jverch2306 perhaps you can enlighten us of the part of Paradise Lost where Satan is clearly depicted as the bad guy?

great video.

Can you turn the first bit of this video into a reel please 😆

"Individual freedom only covers things I deem acceptable." - Shen Bapiro

@natmanprime4295

Жыл бұрын

wasnt that the Fist of the South Star??

The first thing I think of when I hear "psychic vampires" is a preacher, the second is a politician.

@luv2fly745

Жыл бұрын

In other words.. narcissists

@charliemallonee2792

Жыл бұрын

I imagined catholics for the literal drinking of their savior’s blood and communing telepathically with him business.

@jerrimenard3092

Жыл бұрын

​@@luv2fly745 Yes, I think that's more what The Satanic Bible called a psychic vampire. Read it and it becomes clear. I think it's chapter 5. I am not LaVeyan but I can agree he was right on this point.

@andpeggy1902

Жыл бұрын

It’s basically the people who take more than they give, like anyone who suddenly reappears into your life once they need something and ghosts you when you need help back

@luv2fly745

Жыл бұрын

@@andpeggy1902 Exactly 💯👍

Great video! I personally think Ben is also towing a contradictory line between making his individualistic libertarian audience happy and also making his Christian Nationalist authoritarian audience happy. Ben doesn't really have a coherent political philosophy, he just appeals to the majority on the right as best he can. The right itself is a bit incoherent, too, since they claim to love individual liberty and small government while also wanting to force traditional social norms with political power and they love the police and military for some reason lol. They're authoritarians in disguise, just like many on the left, too.

A member of the "chosen people" trying not to sympathise with the Devil challenge: impossible

As a high school debate nerd, I always like to amuse myself by rating speeches given by people like Ben Shapiro or other political talkies on the scale I would've been rated in debate. A lot of the time, Ben Shapiro hardly recognizes his opponents argument. He barely responds to real critiques or intelligent questions or arguments from the opposing side. He uses a shit ton of logical fallacies when arguing his points and hes mostly just condescending and loud. Shapiro reminds me of the opinionated friend whos had too much to drink. The type to ask someone a loaded question and them shout over them while they answer, looking smug the entire time. I notice things like this all of the time during presidential elect debates. They never wouldve won a high school debate lol. None of them actually present real evidence for their claims and they never really get anywhere with their talking points even after 20 minutes of jabbering.

@louieberg2942

Жыл бұрын

That is because their goal isn't truth or knowledge. They find a niche and work within it to sustain themselves.

@Noise-Conductor

Жыл бұрын

@Louie Berg True, but the fact that adults in the information age still fall for these tactics is insane.

@allycinwunderland

Жыл бұрын

@@Noise-Conductor I also think its crazy that so many people seem to almost violently oppose critical thinking. If I was able to grasp what a solid, logical argument was (or response to an argument) as a 15 year old child, I sincerely believe a grown adult should be able to do so as well. Thats whats so silly, these people like Shapiro understand what a logical fallacy is, they understand that they are dodging the question left and right. They also understand that most Americans dont even notice! Either these adults dont notice, or they dont have the education to be able to recognize holes in arguments. And like you said, information is literally at our fingertips. If you dont understand how to build and respond to logical arguments, you must actively be against critical thinking.

@speedyx3493

Жыл бұрын

Tbh I think Shapiro knows exactly what he is doing, he knows he is committing logical fallacies and just being loud and ignoring the actual, inteligent critique and arguments. He just doesn't give a damn because doing what he does gives him way more followers, power to influence, and money

@Noise-Conductor

Жыл бұрын

@Speedy X Maybe, but it could just be that his fans aren't intelligent enough to recognize his logical fallacies🤔

An environment that is not safe to disagree in is not an environment focused on growth - it’s an environment focused on control. - Wendi Jade

@Gwengjap

Жыл бұрын

Take that god

The three part miniseries was great, but always left you confused for thirty minutes or so after changing disks. I hope at least that this will be remedied.

Even the intro was talking about free will choice to listen to submit in obey or chosen to refuse to submit. It’s all choices.

That moment when Shapiro realizes how “my right to own firearms is more important than reducing school shootings” interfaces with his interpretation of Paradise Lost.

@pineapplepenumbra

Жыл бұрын

@Simon Magus Sarcasm? Just checking, because there are some people this nutty.

@mattreigada3745

Жыл бұрын

@@pineapplepenumbra I got $5 that says he’s deadass

@deathttrap9755

Жыл бұрын

​@Simon Magus get outta here troll go touch grass

@jflaplaylistchannelunoffic3951

Жыл бұрын

Reducing the amount of firearms in the population does exactly nothing to reduce school shootings. One has to look at the motivation/mental illness of attackers, and one has to arm the potential victims (or at least let them appear to be armed).

@Henrik_Holst

Жыл бұрын

@@jflaplaylistchannelunoffic3951 exactly nothing? Is that why we in other parts of the planet that don't have your love of fireams also don't have school shootings?

"To take moral scrutiny off of oneself and place it unfairly onto another." That old adage of "Every accusation is a confession" has never rung so true.

@kevinmcewen9340

Жыл бұрын

Please explain this statement

@andreasvox8068

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinmcewen9340 Refers to the tendency of people to project their own shortcomings onto others.

@mh4zd

Жыл бұрын

In order to assist your possible entanglements with the likes of a Shapiro, understand that they have, for every one of their judgements, a social engineering reasoning by which they ground them. I'm not saying these reasonings are ultimately correct, but while for some in the camp the judgements are reflexive, tribal and, in some cases, innate, some of these reflexes arise from, or perhaps more likely, have social theory back-crafted onto, them. Putting aside for the moment debates thereon, at that point you'd need to be prepared to show that your judgements of their judgements (needed to expose their faults from a social-maintenance or justice perspective) are indeed hypocrisies against the conceit of bearing social good and/or individual rights.

@D_YellowMadness

Жыл бұрын

By that logic, if you accuse someone of projecting, you're both projecting.

@andreasvox8068

Жыл бұрын

@@D_YellowMadness he among you who sits in the glass house shall throw the first stone...

Parade lost is really a beautiful text

I can’t believe this isn’t VIRAL‼️‼️‼️‼️

Doesn't surprise me considering religion is by far his weakest subject and this time he's not even talking about his own which probably makes it even worse.

@seth5143

Жыл бұрын

Religion is every religious practitioner's weakest subject hence apologists invariably regurgitate the same special pleading arguments (ie. Pascal's Wager, blessed are they that have not seen and yet have believed, there's no basis for morality aside from what's written on my ancient desert scrolls, etc.) They believe in spite of evidence not because of it.

@blackholegaming1354

10 ай бұрын

@@seth5143I’ve never heard him invoke Pascal’s wager and he has a rather interesting video breaking down his arguments for a god

@morbidgirl6808

8 ай бұрын

He is possibly a closeted ex-Jew.

@cagegames4755

4 ай бұрын

@@seth5143this is only true if you are bias.

@YSleepish

4 ай бұрын

@@seth5143 Untrue. There are many arguments for gods existence, Pascals Wager is just one, and as its easy to learn, ofc its very common. There IS no basis for morality without god, because then nothing would be objectively true, why should another humans opinion matter more than yours? Why should another human get to decide what's right and wrong, they are human too, they are flawed too, god is not. Morality becomes wholly an opinion without something inarguably above us deciding what is wrong and right. It is the same reason you follow laws, but laws are much weaker than objective morality, because laws change, the people making laws change, and the people making laws get replaced. God does not change, and he does not get replaced, for that would make his existence impossible. I am flawed too mind you, and new to Christianity. I rejected it all my life, as most people I knew were atheist, and once I was old enough to listen, learn, and form my own opinions, I accepted religion. I am the opposite, yet the same, as the people who grow up with religion, then out of spite and expression of their own freedom decide to reject it.

That start already got me chuckling.

@PouLS

Жыл бұрын

@Don't Read My Profile Picture ok

This is my fav vid from ya so far

"There is a beautiful reference in the Psalms to oil running down upon your beard, upon the collar of your robe. The divine mercy is like that: poured out upon us, poured out without reservation-and not because it’s earned, because it can’t be earned. God doesn’t love us because we’re worthy. We’re worthy because he loves us. We don’t deserve his mercy, but we soak it in and thereby are transformed." Bishop Robert Barron "Daily Gospel Reflection (07/21/23)"

So, Paradise Lost, basically fan fiction, is now canon?

@Kylora2112

Жыл бұрын

Same thing happened with Dante's Divine Comedy.

@timtheskeptic1147

Жыл бұрын

@@Kylora2112 and Book of Mormon...

@libbydaniels8943

Жыл бұрын

@@Kylora2112 right. Christians unknowingly quote other works believing it to be scripture

@lukel1724

Жыл бұрын

The Bible is just literature, and later works affect its literary interpretation. Not a great foundation fot absolute truth.

I consider the snake in Eden a hero. It is not better to be informed and knowledgeable than to be a specimen in a menagerie, no matter how comfortable you are in it?

@paulcleary8088

Жыл бұрын

Either God wanted us to NOT have knowledge of morality, thus destroying the entire foundation of religion and brings into question his omniscience, or he purposely deceived us into gaining that knowledge, then guilted us for doing so. Which makes him NOT omnibenevolent.

@runningbetweenspaces

Жыл бұрын

@@paulcleary8088 This is why im leaning to Gnostic

@absolstoryoffiction6615

Жыл бұрын

@@paulcleary8088 It sounds contradicting but I've heard many things about the Christian God in relation to Eden and the snake. Either way. It's an amusing path to put Mankind into planetary extinction when God should have done better or he will face the end of everything he holds now. Well... If Heaven and Hell is real. If Devils and Gods are true. Then "I" shall inevitably return. If all is false, then "I" am already "here". ... Fate sends its regards...

@pineapplepenumbra

Жыл бұрын

@@paulcleary8088 The OT makes it pretty clear that its gods aren't omniscient. For example, god doesn't know about the Tower of Babel, and asks various characters questions that should be known (some christians try pretending that the questions were asked with the answer already known). The gods also aren't omnipotent and there are so many stories completely destroying the "omnibenevolent" claim that it shows just how incredibly, dangerously, insidiously powerful brainwashing is that christians don't see this. Their ignorance to the obvious is the strongest evidence that the _child abuse_ of bringing children up in _any_ religious/cult system needs to be recognised as such and banned.

@kimberlywolfenheart4275

Жыл бұрын

@@paulcleary8088 I think the God character in the Bible was most interested in being worshiped and setting up humans for a "fall" from which they eternally have to repent was the ploy to getting that worship. There is no other reason to place two gullible creatures (Adam and Eve), a forbidden tree, and a clever trickster serpent all in the same place other than as entrapment.

Ohh Ben! Thanks for the info.

I'm going to need to think about this a bit... By the way, I've recently come across two people (Likely atheists, But uncertain) reacting to christians, And I feel you do the best. Unlike one of them, Your providing actual reasons, And you do so calmly and clearly. Btw, I'm christian myself and don't regularly watch you, But you appear from time to time and I like how you make me think.

@S.I.U.

2 ай бұрын

You made me quite curious . Who specifically is this one atheist you referred to while writing this comment ?

@a.j.outlaster1222

2 ай бұрын

@@S.I.U. I've forgotten, But I believe they were on KZread... Now that I type, I almost wanna say that one was reacting to a... Preacher or someone who was criticizing Hazbin Hotel, But instead of pointing out that it's a cartoon and that it's not such a big deal, He was just shouting blasphemies and insulting God. I don't remember the other, However.

loved this. Cant wait to discover more from you. A critique? the lovely blue light on your side would look a bit better if it were behind you instead of directly beside you and placed above your head so that it was about 45 degrees off the back left side of your head. This would illuminate that dark spot on your hair and separate you from your background even more adding subtle complexity and highlighting you more as the speaker.

@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic

22 күн бұрын

Thanks for the tip! I’ve changed my set and lighting considerably since this video, so let me know what you think of my setup in newer videos!

Satan is about as "don't tread on me" as it gets lmao

@defenestrated23

Жыл бұрын

Right-libertarians: I believe in bodily autonomy TST: I wholeheartedly agree Libright: *brain glitches out and releases blue smoke*

@joeschmo4646

8 ай бұрын

@@defenestrated23most libright people aren’t religious. Myself included.

@Stuff857

7 ай бұрын

​@@joeschmo4646 Same

@colepuleo6809

6 ай бұрын

IKR

@rightfulfuture4

5 ай бұрын

​@@defenestrated23 what doest tst mean?

Ah yes, one of the simple ironies that exists. "Satan is bad because he values autonomy over everything and values only his individual sense of self-worth." and "Libertarian Right political ideology is good because it values personal autonomy over everything and only the individual matters." The ironic part is most of his audience is Christian too so I'm kinda interested what kind of conundrum this would cause if one actually sat back for a moment and pondered this principle.

@themanchestercollective3616

Жыл бұрын

It's a tricky one. The best I can do is to say that Libertarianism isn't right wing given that right wing belief is actually characterised mostly by authoritarin belief. But also that Christianity isn't strictly right wing either as it was also a rebellion against the original authority of Jewish belief.

@gwenbathory6656

Жыл бұрын

Look. As much as America sucks right now with all the Nazi propaganda being pushed by the right, I still don't want the world to blow up.

@pillowboy7995

Жыл бұрын

One is a political ideology the other is religious ideology completely different. Defying god is absurd since he is the perfect creator unlike defying a tyrannical government

@gwenbathory6656

Жыл бұрын

@@pillowboy7995 pfffthahahahahaha. That's a good one.

@pillowboy7995

Жыл бұрын

@@gwenbathory6656 legitimately make an argument please.

Ben was correct with his first statement. The issue wasn't that the statement was wrong, but that his pride prevented him from saying it. He would have to recognize that his individual autonomy is not more important than his devotion to God, and he would have to set aside his pride and fully submit himself to God, which is something most people will never do in it's entirety. Individualism is the worship of the self, and to follow Christ is to devote your autonomy to God. God gave you real free will not because it's fair, but so that you could make the choice between free will and confusion and giving up most of that freedom for salvation and peace. In order to discard your free will and follow God's path for you, you must first discard your pride, and this is something Ben Shapiro seems to be unable to do. Pride is chief among the vices that stand between you and God. So long as you worship the self, so long as you value your earthly will and earthly desires and earthly goals more than you do your path with God, you will condemn the path of God as foolish, and will go as far as to deny God's existence because you cannot see yourself shedding your pride to become a part of something great, because that means accepting that God is your superior and that there are no grounds in which your path is superior to his. We live in a world where people worship their gender, where people worship their obesity, where people worship anything they can find of the self and refuse the path of God. Be aware, for the scripture tells that God will leave no man an excuse to have not known him, that no man can say his existence was not evident enough to them, so that they may not claim ignorance before the gates of heaven, that they cannot claim God set them up for failure, for he gave you free will and he has put his children on earth for you to speak to, and he has inscribed his name into every last grain of sand scattered on the beaches and every last tree that climbs from the ground. The only way you can truly deny his existence is by willful ignorance, for you choose to avoid the faith, for you refuse to engage with it or learn more about it, that you discard what you do learn because it doesn't appeal to your pride. You have the predisposition to avoid the faith because you do not understand it and do not wish to understand it, for it demands you discard evils that you hold dear to your heart, so much that your world has a whole month just to celebrate it. "Pride."

Excellent

Remember, Ben Shapiro is lauded as the "smartest man on the right" by the right.

@galacsinhajto

Жыл бұрын

He is not a stupid man, he is just intellectually shallow and too self confident to dig into anything he believes in. Why should he, it does not serve his own self interest (being a rich conservative.) He is terrible at analyzing things, and not good at building arguments. Even in the clips shown in the video, I was stopping at every sentence and going "there are a lot of things to unpac there Benny, you imply a lot of things ,but sure lets go on"

@gurusmurf5921

Жыл бұрын

The funny thing is that it might be true.

@demonic_myst4503

Жыл бұрын

as a right winger who the hell says that he rambles when he gives lectures without it being smart rambling its more trying remember the lines someone smarter than him wrote down rambling

@spa-peggymeatballs4861

Жыл бұрын

If true, that’s both comforting and very distressing.

@demonic_myst4503

Жыл бұрын

@@gurusmurf5921 not even remotly true unless only classing conservatives

I think my favorite thing about the bible is that the one character accused of lies is the same character that never lies.

@DustinDonald-cz9ot

Жыл бұрын

Or he is just a good liar. I.e he speaks truth to you but laces it with lies, politicians and other con men are good at this. Evil doesn't come at you looking or acting like a total loon, it comes at you with a smile claiming it has your best interest at heart only to raise you up then watch you hit rock bottom. Just like a psychopath who are master manipulators and almost always are well groomed nice smile and clothes they are chameleons in many cases they will do good by you at first to get your trust if it didn't act this way you would see it for what it is and run for the hills.

@randoontheinternet5842

Жыл бұрын

My favorite part is the one where some kids get mauled to death by bears for making fun of a bald guy Yes this is an actual part of the bible lol

@GredelsRage

Жыл бұрын

@@randoontheinternet5842 ohhh yes that is gruesome but hilarious

@OneBiteoftheCherry

Жыл бұрын

​@rando on the internet I don't remember that part, what book was that in 😂

@randoontheinternet5842

Жыл бұрын

@@OneBiteoftheCherry 2 Kings 2:23-25

Im no fan of shipero. Im a Christian Conservative that has a thirst for intelligent conversation, and debate. I enjoyed the video. But there is a reason they call the underline philosophy satanism and not something else, like Bolshevik, or any other ideology of the past century. They are describing ideas. Thing with satanism though is the whole human sacrifice thing. Which many satanist will not admit happens in modern timess but, is a fundamental part of their ideology. ( Recent MS-13 case in Texas for example which they themselves glorrify and, readily admit their satanic ideology being at the core of thier culture ) My point, that should probably always be mentioned when speaking on the ideology. It is literally evil. It's an argument between order and chaos. Anyone who has really thought about this knows that a certain level of order is needed. The fundamental ideology of Christianity is balance throughout life. Acknowledging man's tendency to falter and sin. Outside of that i think you did a great job man. Thanks!

I recall watching a documentary with some family and it was talking about the tenets of satanism. Once they were done, we looked around and we all realized that we were satanists, lol

I like when people quote Milton to "win" religious arguments. Remember him? He wrote that chapter in the Bible, right after the book of Fiction and Bullshyte.

@AxiomofDiscord

Жыл бұрын

A lot of apocryphal text are taken as cannon like the serpent being Satan is in 2 Enoch I believe. So yeah the cherry picking is all over the place and on multiple levels.

It's like he knows he should be humanist/ liberal leaning, but his mind is so enveloped in Christianity that it can't shake the cognitive dissonance. He's been in the game too long to change now.

@nathanmiller9918

Жыл бұрын

And from a Jew, it's clearly just pandering.

@ziwuri

Жыл бұрын

@@nathanmiller9918 It's all the same. There's rich, straight, white, Christian men, and then there's people pandering to them.

@THEEMOWELL

Жыл бұрын

@@ziwuri dont get distracted by the usual blame the white males nonsense. the rich care about other rich people of any kind more than some random white guy.

Hey! Love the episode. If I could make one point about a comment you made. Referring to The Church of Satan as "Modern Satanism". Yes the Church of Satan is still practiced. However there are many interpretations of Satan as a symbol for many different people. The Temple of Satan for example uses Satan as a symbol and has basically the same aesthetic as CoS but is *VERY* different in terms or politics and general morality. Church of Satan was founded by a boomer sex offender and is generally considered a joke by most TST members, who are typically younger and left leaning. So if anything, "Modern Satanism" is closer to the romantic interpretation you describe earlier in the episode. Anyways love your work. Hail Satan!🤘

@Dmn....

9 ай бұрын

Idk. To me TST is just edgy atheists or the guys which are getting mad over Christians, because of whatever beef they have with it. Tenants are good rules, but i find Bible (as just a book) much better book with some really good messages (and some bad ones because middle ages)

@S.I.U.

2 ай бұрын

Hail to underword daddy !! 🤘

Psychic Vampires according to LaVey are People that act by making you feel guilty if you don't. LaVey uses 2 concrete examples: "Is there a person you often call or visit, ecen though you really don't want to, because you know you will feel guilty if you don't? Or, do you find yourself constantly doing favours for one who doesn't come forward and ask, but hints?" As I interpret that it is not a talk about the social system, but people that are using malicious schemes to make others do what they want

@JoanManning-dd9ks

17 күн бұрын

Like emotional manipulation?

"Facts don't care about your feelings" but then he gets offended by people dressing up as satan, a fictional character.

@imjessietr29

Жыл бұрын

These people have never been around evil. Their ridiculous shallowness is evidence.

@filipferencak2717

Жыл бұрын

​@@imjessietr29 It's the people who judge others based off how they dress who are the shallow ones.

@Franck_Major_X

Жыл бұрын

Hollyweird is a fuckin'hell, and I wouldn't even be comfortable with those they/them weirdos being the face of my religion either. I mean, I know about luciferians, the Lucifer church, and I like what is preached in there. And that Sam Smith weirdo performance doesn't even do justice to Luciferians. It's just an attention begging performance, looking just for reactionary behaviour. Just as the guy that takes their clothes off in a public place for shock reaction.

@sabersin7694

Жыл бұрын

Factually, Satan was a contemptible degenerate who was too mentally impaired to figure out that maybe rebelling against the creator of the universe wasn't a great idea. Yes, it would be very upsetting to see people humiliate themselves that way.

@enzoqueijao

Жыл бұрын

​@@sabersin7694 But he's got drip tho

In a certain way, Anton LaVey was actually conservative. Some folks have referred to his church as "Ayn Rand's philosophy, with rituals."

@aaronblain6377

Жыл бұрын

"My religion is just Ayn Rand's philosophy, with ceremony and ritual added." "I give people Ayn Rand with trappings."

@DiamondsRexpensive

Жыл бұрын

I can only imagine the cognitive dissonance he suffers.

@Mildon44

Жыл бұрын

LaVey's own political views are separate from Satanism. Satanism is apolitical. with it being about the individual, members are free to have their own political beliefs for what they would want to see or have done.

@DaDandyman

Жыл бұрын

Satanism has more in common with Nietzsche than with Rand. It's something of a synthesis of "elitist" philosophies. Definitely a lot of Randian elements but in practice I doubt Rand would be a fan of the preponderance of Satanists.

@Mildon44

Жыл бұрын

@@DaDandyman yeah, i think the few similarities between Satanism and Objectivism are due to them both being influenced by Nietzsche, as he was one of Dr. LaVey's biggest influences and never called Rand an influence The podcast 'Satansplain' did a great episode breaking down the differences between the 2 philosophies

0.8x is the perfect speed for playing back this little chipmunk.

You just now noticed? I realized this a decade ago. Slow are we?

@theperson4yearsago565

10 ай бұрын

His hat

Wow - I had no idea that Anton Levey & the Church of Satan was so influenced by Ayn Rand, and that their philosophies are practically identical. Thank you for yet another informative video ❤🙏

@hollowhorned6852

Жыл бұрын

In the satanic bible there are passages that are plagiarized from Ayn Rand, Might is right, and mark twain; (It is a weird book) there is a reason that a lot of Satanist jumped ship and went to the Satanic Temple when it started. The seed of truth in the Satanic bible pulled down by the bullshit aligned with it was getting annoying for a lot of people.

@Satansplain

Жыл бұрын

They weren't. The host is repeating a lie, and the quote he's using has been debunked. Satanism and Objectivism both have atheism and putting individualism over the collective, but that's about all they have in common. LaVey wasn't influenced by Rand; both were influenced by Nietzsche, which explains the overlap. kzread.info/dash/bejne/f5Vhj9V7Ydbeg6g.html

@Mildon44

Жыл бұрын

She wasnt a major influence, and they are far from identical. having 2 connections (sceptical atheism and rational self-interest) doesn't mean they're the same, especially when one is political (Objectivism) and one is apolitical (Satanism)

@chessmaster9638

Жыл бұрын

​​​@@Mildon44 You cant be apolitical. Apolitical is simply if you dont thought through the end.

@Mildon44

Жыл бұрын

@@chessmaster9638 what? The Church of Satan is a religious organisation that stays out of politics because it acknowledges that religion and politics should be seperate. Its also all about the individual, and so my political wishes and needs will be different to another satanist's political wishes and needs. Satanists span the political spectrum, all voting for what will improve their own lives So those are the 2 main reasons why the Church of Satan does not advocate for any political side

Classic "rules for thee, not for me" mentality from conservatives.

@justinhart2831

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure if you care, but the first time I ever heard the saying "rules for thee, not for me", it was attributed *by* conservatives *to* the Left as a description of the *Left's* mentality. I'm sure that's just projection though -- although the conservatives also say it's the Left that does the projection.

@crazydragy4233

Жыл бұрын

​@@justinhart2831 I think that's besides the point. What matters is proof. We have plenty of conservative examples of that idea, what examples do the conservatives provide when accusing their opponent of it tho?

@justinhart2831

Жыл бұрын

@@crazydragy4233 You'd have to ask a conservative. I'm just teaching the controversy.

@kawi10r998cc

Жыл бұрын

I can’t think of any conservatives doing the “rules for thee, but none for me routine”. All I can think of is during covid time how Gavin Newsom was at the French Laundry restaurant despite shutting all the other restaurants down. Or Lori Lightfoot shutting down salons but getting her hair done bc she’s a “public figure”. Ditto for Nancy Pelosi. Gretchen Wittmer’s husband was going out on a boat when his wife forbid anyone else from doing it...and then of course her and AOC among others vacationing in the evil state of FL. I could go on. Not saying conservatives don’t do it too, I just can’t think of any examples.

@Acetyl53

Жыл бұрын

Imagine still believing in the phony left right paradigm. You are all cattle, all of you.

why does that clip of ben shapiro have a cut in it?

Those quotes from Peter Gilmore are absolutely something you could bait a Fox News financial pundit into agreeing with if they don’t know who said it

Does he realize that Dante wrote this as a parody and satire of the church and it was never meant to be seen as doctrine? It was written as a dig at specific people who were in power at the time, not to be believed.

@luv2fly745

Жыл бұрын

The problem is that far too many people don't understand parody, satire, allegory, hyperbole and other forms of figurative language.

@nola281

Жыл бұрын

Nuance is one of lost arts. This is why some bands and music are seen as evil.the person hearing and seeing it can't critically think about the true meanings.