You know it's a good day when it's a new Kings and Generals video day 🙌

@thomasechols8834

10 ай бұрын

new to the many, originally for only a select few.

I remember this chapter of the war during my uni classic class. The prof comically commented how in hindsight, it was quite baffling for the Spartans to trap their own men on an island when the Athenians retained so much dominance on the sea.

@syjiang

10 ай бұрын

@@MaskofAgamemnon 😆 Temporary being the operative word.

Fun fact. 120 Spartan survivors that surrendered at Pylos were brought back to Athens as hostages. There they were displayed in public like exotic animals, which drew large crowds and resulted in them receiving mockery from the Athenian public, who took glee in seeing their great adversaries humiliated. One time, someone from the crowd jeeringly asked if the real Spartans had died on the island, to which one of the Spartans angrily retorted; "Spindles (arrows) would be worth a great deal, if they could mark out brave men from cowards" Given their penchant for close-quarters combat, it is no surprise that the art of archery never really took off when it came to Spartan warfare. But beyond just avoiding any archery training, the Spartans actually abhorred archery as a skill and saw the bow and arrow as a weapon fit for only cowards. Nevertheless, after the disaster at Pylos, the Spartans were forced to adopt mixed tactics in the future that involved archers and other missile troops to complement their elite hoplites. Though rather than training up their own continent of archers, they mostly ended up relying on mercenary auxiliaries, particularly archers from Crete, as Cretan archers were highly regarded.

@athanasiosbairlis5563

10 ай бұрын

THANK YOU for adding this "detail", I wanted to do it myself, but you did it first ! The Athenian, he wanted to "tell" the Spartan POW, that the brave-ones usually dy in action and they do not surrender...that's why the specific "Laconic" answer of the Spartan POW. Generally, the POW have been treated well as "hostiges", I am not sure if they have been dispaleyd or seen as "wild" or "exotic" animals. (I do NOT think so)

@3baxcb

10 ай бұрын

That kind of rigid view is one of the reasons why Sparta never held the upper hand for too long and even when leaders like Lysander achieved success with unconventional tactics, they were still viewed with suspicion. It was always a matter of time whenever it was Athens, Thebes or a combination of several city-states, that Spartan warfare would met its match.

@Kili2807

10 ай бұрын

I think they also forced some Helots to act as skirmishers. But I think that it’s always a risk to bring your slaves, who hate you to a battle

@LunaticTheCat

8 ай бұрын

Interesting comment, thanks for posting.

@METALFREAK03

8 ай бұрын

contingent

Just a correction. The note on the sidebar that appeared at 02:48 is wrong. Hellespont is NOT the Greek name for the Black Sea. Hellespont is the narrow crossing between the Aegean and the Sea of Marmara. The Black Sea is also called Euxinos Pontos in Greek, as correctly mentioned by the narrator, which means hospitable sea. A minor detail in your excellent video! Keep up the good work and greetings from Greece!

The duality of the spartan army and athenian navy reminds me of how during the world wars germany had the continent but britain had the sea. History doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes

@arthurrubents

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, it's an interesting contrast. At least Sparta in the Peloponnesian had a land connection with Athens, a golden opportunity Napoleonic France and Nazi Germany, for instance, could only dream of :)

Pylos was a good turning point in the first phase of the Great Peloponnesian War. Interestingly, Demosthenes, one of the victors at this battle, would be present at the Siege of Syracuse, which as most know, would be the second great turning point in the war, but not for Athens. Great video and I cant wait for more!

@Pentagathusosaurus

10 ай бұрын

Yo, spoilers bro

@iexist3919

10 ай бұрын

@Pentagathusosaurus this show has been out for 2,500 years, is that not enough?!?😂

"The lesibian cities" line cracked me up more than is should 😂 lol

@kingtryfon5702

7 ай бұрын

the island is called lesbos so its actually the lesbian cities and not the lesibian 🤣😅😂

@AlexFernandez-yc7yx

3 ай бұрын

​@ki 😊😊ngtryfon5702

In this battle, Spartan invincibility was shattered. Much like at the battle of Bailen, where French soldiers were beaten by Spanish troops and surrendered. News went like wildfire across Europe.

These ancient battles are so interesting

Im surprised that during the spartan amphibian assault you didn't mention one captain known as Brasidas, who, seeing that the spartan and allied ships couldn't land enough troops due to wanting to avoid collision, basically yelled to everyone (roughly put): "You are trying to save some pieces of wood, instead of the men fighting at the beach! So, disregard the ships safety, even if you must crash them onto the shore!" And then, this madlad leds by example, making his ships pilot beach the vessel, and jumped onto the fray, getting severly wounded, falling on deck unconcious. His shield, having been dropped, was taken by the athenians to make the trophy. Also to note, Thucydides does remark on the battle of pylos saying that its a reversal of the fighting roles; spartans attempting a naval battle, while the athenians attempt a land one

Great video still I have to spot a minor mistake.Hellespont is another greek name for the straits of Dardanelles. Greeks called the Black Sea (and many of us still do) Euxenos Pontos.(Welcoming Sea).This was some kind of trick not to discourage sea going travellers .Similar intentions had names p.e.x Greenland,Pacific Ocean e.t.c.

Hearing some of the names brought me back to when I played Assassin's Creed: Odyssey.

Find it weird the Spartan invasions of Attica are characterized as some intentional scorched earth tactic that Athens was terribly incapable of dealing with, as if it was some stroke of Spartan military competence. Some scholars of ancient history, like Devereaux, suggest it was little more than Sparta's inability to maintain a substantial army in the field coupled with their abysmal performance in sieges that lead to all the repeated invasions seeing nothing more than pillaging and failed attacks on settlements followed by swift withdrawal. Coupled with accounts from Thucydides (History of the Peloponnesian War, third book, chapter one) that suggest the Athenians harassed the Spartan armies with cavalry to limit the pillaging as best they could, as well as the Spartans retiring on each excursion explicitly due to dwindling supplies (also taken from Thuc, 3.1), and one ought to have a very different understanding of these events.

This war represents every struggle in human history between a naval superpower and an unbeatable ground army

@albertofrankdiaz6664

10 ай бұрын

Well .... this battle probes they are not unbeatable

@blacklight4720

10 ай бұрын

@@albertofrankdiaz6664 Ye Sparta is pretty much a myth. They were strong but not as strong as pop culture makes them to be.

@alphagamer9505

8 ай бұрын

Reminds UK and France during the Napoleonic Wars UK and Germany during the world Wars US and Ussr during the cold war

@arthurrubents

6 ай бұрын

​​@@alphagamer9505 You just read my mind. Exactly. To me it's like a sequence of Deja Vus. 😅 We can also possibly include Rome and Carthage in the early stages of the Punic Wars as well. Either way, it's nice to have that contrast over and over in History.

Thank you for releasing these videos for everyone, we really appreciate it

I love the Greco series

Well done Kings and Generals! Really loving these videos on the Peloponnesian War, an era of history I know little about! Looking forward to the next one!

We need more Roman history again😢

Another fantastic episode! Thank you! I This series makes me want to revisit some classical history in general. God be with you out there everybody. ✝️ :)

Could you imagine accidentally burning down a whole forest? Crazy.

Thanks for releasing this series.

I just came back from vacation in that spartan region and now i see this post. Nice

Thanks for a terrific installment! ⚔🔥🙌

Waited for coverage of this war for so long, love it

Thanks for the video, amazing quality

I'm just glad you made it through again. You are an inspiration to us all. Heal up and stay safe man.

Thanks for the awesome vids for this war. As an Athenian and Greek i really love this. Αθήνα για πάντα - Athens forever.👍👍🔥🔥

Thanks for the video 👍🏻

Thanks for releasing these videos for all! Also shout out to the sponsors/patrons who keep the channel going.

that's what i needed, i love this channel

As usual, very informative and well produced. Have a nice weekend!

Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍👍

This one's for the algorithm. Thanks for your content and time.

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@pascalyung1406

10 ай бұрын

Somebody please help! Does anyone know the name of the background music at 26:10 of K&G's Alexander Balkan Campaign video? Link here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/haKYuc6SmpzggbA.html

@blacketruscan

10 ай бұрын

Paying attention too the algorithm I see

Sooo goood! Loving this series

Great video. Thanks

Makes me want to play Total War again!! Spot on as always Kings and Generals!!! 🥳🥳

Amazing video😊

These videos are truly a gift from the gods 👍

Nice vid, K&G!

I love your videos. Please more. Please keep creating. Thank you and have a good day

Great video

I remember when we were studying the Peloponnesian War in the third grade history class, and while others focused on the lesson, I couldn't help but read ahead to see what would happen next

This video series is brilliant. I love all your videos. Also i downloaded and watched your videos. I also learned lot of things. A huge fan of you from Sri Lanka ❤️.

Idk what I like more when you guys release a video or when exploring series does. I wish y'all could Collab on a long form 40k Warhammer video

Awesome!

Thanks

Excellent video 📹 Next video

Shoutout to my man brasidas. Was inspired to learn about his actual life by playing assassin's creed odyssey

Really amazing job Kings and Generals! I can't wait for the next one on the Peloponnesian War!

Βy the way ,the heat wave that the last days hits Greece,has a name given my meteorolgists: Kleon...

These vids are nice

Good video W

Too long have i searched for a video like this.

I wish more was mentioned regarding the armed sailors. They assisted the missile troops by banging shields and throwing rocks, bolstering the Athenian numbers and giving the impression Athens had a much larger force. It was thousands of Athenians with the majority being armed sailors.

Since you make such brilliant maps, why don't release them independently of a video? Or you already do that (either publicly or to patreon/KZread supporters).

@KingsandGenerals

10 ай бұрын

Good idea, will consider!

good video..highlighting the humbling of the spartan pride :)

A comment for the Gods of the algorithm! Keep up the amazing work!

A year ago I was swimming in those exact places

Ooh finally !

Never knew that Greece was such a powerful force in the ancient world. Thanks K's & G's

I learned about the debate on the massacre in mytilene from ac Odyssey. What a great game

Interesting.

Fun fact for some people. Pylos was later known as Navarino.

0:51 advertises in every yt history channel - hidden gem

One of the most interesting (and accurate IMO) of Cleon was (paraphrased) "All mouth, no skill." His only real military skill was taking advantage of the successes of others.

@athanasiosbairlis5563

10 ай бұрын

Totally agree ! Cleon succes at Peelos (Πύλος), was mainly thanks the efforts of Demosthenes (he was just followed the expedition, but have asked "permission" of the assambly to take action if a chance occur). Also, due to Cleon's arrogance and ' big mouth", challenging commandership of Nikias (son of Nikiratos), Nikias react and "offered" the leadership if... "he could to any better" than him....Cleon was "trapped" and in fact tried to avoid the leading of such a dangerous military task, (He said at the assambly: if I cannot win and brink the sieged Spartans of the islet Sfacteria within 20 days, you can kill me" ! But luckely for him, he found the capable Demosthenes collaboration and preparations. Demosthenes had possibly secret contacts with several anti-Spartan commanders of the area (for provisions, resources etc.)already in his previous (Unsuccesful) expedition in Aetolia That he wated to clean-up the big "disgrace" of the Athenean defeat there) Myself: I am tourguide in Greece, specialized in classic era wars and batlefields. www.tourtripgreece.gr

9:00 I may be wrong, but that's not supposed to be Leuca in Apulia, but the island of Leucas (modern day Lefkada) instead. My hometown, actually. 😂 Read Thucydides some years ago. These videos help fresh up my memory. Thanks, guys!

I’m watching them all

Bettany Hughes' TimeLine doc on the Spartans is on YT and its a class 3hr 3 part documentry for anyone whos interested in an in depth look at the Spartans 😊

Kids: "spartans never surrended in history" Light infantry goes brmmmmm 😅😅😅

The similarities between the Peloponnesian and the Cold War are amazing. The Sicilian expedition was Athens Vietnam War.

@samanyupalthi

10 ай бұрын

@@apollo2036 its like the cold war and oligarchic league vs a democratic league!

@JamesSarantidis

10 ай бұрын

@@samanyupalthi Indeed. Naval Trade-dependent Democratic League promoting "freedom" (subjugation) through membership in prestigious money-sucking Federations vs Land Production-based Oligarchic League promising "autonomy" (subjugation) though prestigious military might.

do more videos please about Italian navy or Japanese navy in WW2

Where are all the follow ups to the post Caesar civil wars and could u do a series on the Punic wars pls

I didn't know the Greek islands begin to rebell against Athens so early on in the war. Reminds me of bit of the Mayan Star wars between Tikal and Cuxmal

11:45 Demosthenes: call ambulance call ambulance but not for me

All three chapters of this series so far “oh and Sparta looses again!”

Do we know what later happened to the Spartan prisoners released from Athens? Did the Spartans back home punish them? I can imagine what their psycho leaders did to them for giving Sparta a reputation for surrendering.

I shouldn't find it funny, but I love the phrase "Lesbian cities".

I love the fact that Spartans had the excuse that it wasn't actually a defeat they suffered because the enemy refused to meet them in a direct hoplite vs hoplite battle but the enemy only won because they had them surrounded and were pelting them with missiles. That's still a defeat guys and you did surrender- "with the shield or on it" etc.

@barbiquearea

10 ай бұрын

Plutarch provided numerous anecdotes of the disdain the Spartans felt towards their enemies even while they were being shot to pieces like sitting ducks. One of them relates to how a Spartan warrior was mortally wounded by an enemy archer. While lying on the ground, he was not worried about his death, but rather remorseful that he would die at the hand of a ‘womanish’ archer.

not gonna lie, I laughed out loud for a moment there...

Messenia was under Spartan occupation since 8th century bC. How the Athenians got help from there? The free Messinians were settled in Naupactos

Make batalha dos guararapes

Thank you old freind im 2 years supporter and can you continue arab expansion and the punic wars please

9:20 The Aetolians amassed intelligence... and therefore developed the ability to create javelins out of thin air in an instant to defend themselves!

2:54 So that's where it comes from...

Looks like the Greek love to fight between themselves than fighting outside enemy from Athens ⚔️ Sparta, Byzantine civil wars and finally the Greek Civil War during their war of independence.

Just when you need a new dose of medicine...here it is ❤

I'm surprised that in none of these battles, there was no mention of the Eagle Bearing Misthios.

@KingsandGenerals

9 ай бұрын

We are just jealous

@gnb_2476

9 ай бұрын

@@KingsandGenerals Malaka!

Why is BC written in the video, but 'BCE 'said?

As a Patreon member i am not terribly pleased about member exclusive content appearing here.

Athenians: You're just a lil bitch who can't back up his big words with real action Nicias: Shocks the Greek world by forcing the Spartans to surrender in Pylos Athenians: Confused defeated victorious noises

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2:53 😂

It's weird watching this and going "wait that wasn't made up in AC Odyssey." To some of the events...

"Some Lesbian Cities..." I know what it means, but it still sounds wrong to the ear.

@neptune3569

10 ай бұрын

Ikr

1 trireme=200 soldiers and rowers 90 triremes= 18.000 soldiers

@albertofrankdiaz6664

10 ай бұрын

Max capacity. They never do that. to much risk. And not enough manpower

@constantinexii8182

10 ай бұрын

@@albertofrankdiaz6664 the ship had to have 170 rowers to even move and 30 hoplites were on top of the ship, but many of the rowers fought aswell

Literally 2 Days ago I took part in this Battle in Assassin's Creed Odyssey 😂

A Spartan oplon, shield, from Pylos, can be seen in Keramikos museum. It is curved in the front: ΑΘΗΝΑΙΟΙΑΠΟΛΑΚΕΔΑΙΜΟΝΙΩΝΕΝΠΥΛΟ.

Not really a Pyrrhic victory as that didn't happen til nearly 150 years later, but we'll assume it a close run darn thing that was costly to both sides eh!!!................................... A "Pyrrhic victory" is named after King Pyrrhus of Epirus, whose army suffered irreplaceable casualties in defeating the Romans at the Battle of Heraclea in 280 BC and the Battle of Asculum in 279 BC, during the Pyrrhic War.