I've got Batrium system myself (all installed already) I can say, this is the BEST and most comprehensive Batrium installation video out there!!! Once you go Batrium you NEVER go back, so good, fantastic system + Jaron is AWESOME always implementing new software and hardware features based on customer's feedback!! AveRage Joe.. this video was waaaay above AveRage, your best video... BOOOOM!!!!! =]

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man! Batrium for the WIN! BOOOM!!!💥😆👍

Nice tutorial! You helped me avoid blowing up my Watchmon.

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

Thank You!!! Yes dont want to blow this up like I did lol!😆💥👍

again, excellent tutorial, i could really follow what you were talking about. thanks

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

+Urs Odermatt Thanks, good to hear it was follow-able 😆👍

Superb my friend, cristal clear ! many many thanks for your videos. BOOOOMMM !

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

BOOOOOOM! Thanks Man!!!💥👍

Wow after this video, I sure do know how to plug in small connectors now!! ;-)

Fantastic ! Thanks for this video !

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

You Betcha and Thank You!!!😆👍

Love these videos man 👍 😊

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

+Eric Friman Thank Eric!!!😆👍

Joe, Great video! The Batrium is not exactly a "simple" system, but it does seem to be very well designed and useful. Hats off to your video recording and editing skills. I can tell it's taken a lot of work to put out the videos that you do. Finally, at the risk of incurring the swelled burrhead syndrome, good job on the whole 18650 system. I think it will work very well for a long time.

@BrunoPOWEEER

6 жыл бұрын

Tony B. I've got Batrium system myself, I can say, this is the BEST and most comprehensive Batrium installation video out there!!! Once you go Batrium you NEVER go back, so good, fantastic system + Jaron is AWESOME always implementing new software and hardware features based on customer's feedback!! =]

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tony, Yeah it is a complex piece of equipment for sure! Lol the videos do take some time!!! I think the system turn out great so far and hope it last for years to some!!!😀👍

Great video, THANK YOU

@AveRage_Joe

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man!🤘

Thanks Mug good stuff cheers!

@AveRage_Joe

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for Watching!

great video

@AveRage_Joe

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man!🤘

Goog job. Amazing video

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks You Thank You!!😆👍

On the newer shunts, On the positive input sides it has 2 terminals and you only need to have one positive input. I used the other terminal as a positive input for the main circuit board.

nice setup you have there joe.

@AveRage_Joe

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man!!! I put a lot of work into it!😆👍💥

@ordinaryguy2487

5 жыл бұрын

@@AveRage_Joe check out mine Joe and let me know what you think? kzread.info/dash/bejne/k5tmt86CeM6emLQ.html&feature=push-prem&attr_tag=WfNxVV_d8m82BtZz%3A6

Awesome thanks

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

You Betcha!!!😀👍

Good Video. Still not convinced I need a BMS yet. Even tho I have a larger system than you I still like to monitor my packs by hand. Talk to you later.

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

+M Gunderm Thanks, Yeah my main reason is because Im not around enough to monitor them and I didnt want to worry about it while not home. Great system and am loving it!!!😀👍

Awesome intro....👍

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

+Bostjan Trancar Trying out a new one!🤔😆👍

@bostjantrancar9605

6 жыл бұрын

This 3 are in the line one after a nother..... 👍 like the video 😎 like a BOSS... 🖖 live long and prosper

that intro tho :D

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah I figured I change it up a bit 😀🔥💥

hi What is this on each column?Is it PMS .and I want the purchase link

Joe what is the current rate to each pack during balancing? .

@AveRage_Joe

4 жыл бұрын

The longmons can bleed off up to 2amps but it usually runs around .75 to 1a.

i have some cells losing about (.05 thru .08)V over a couple of weeks of sitting in box. What voltage loss do you consider a self discharging cell?

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

Mine sat in a box for months only because I didnt build any packs untill I had enough for 14s100p and I used anything above 4v as I checked them when I put the packs together. My opinion is I would use them and if they cause a problem later on down the road, swap them out!👍

Great Instruction!!! Can I borrow watchmon when you are done.....LOL😊 I'll probably use these when I finally have the means to make my PowerWall. Just curious, why you don't have the longmons placed in the middle of the pack?

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

+njfulwider5 Thanks, its a great investment!!! I wanted to see the blinky easily if needed🤣

Hey Joe, can you for any reason use the batrium longmon without the watchmon?

@AveRage_Joe

5 жыл бұрын

I wouldnt know where to begin, you need a way to turn the longmon on and off. Technically a longmon is a board of resistors. The watchmon is the brain that turns them on and off when needed. Are you looking to do a diy bms?

will batrium work for 24v systems? and do you have any plans on testing their new bms that they are planning to come out with?

@AveRage_Joe

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah batrium will work on all kinds of voltages! Yeah Id like to test some of there new bms's for sure!!!

Where do you get that braid you use on your ethernet cables?

@AveRage_Joe

5 жыл бұрын

BOOM 🔗goo.gl/i4fxaM

Whats your voltage on system? How did you parallel and series them?

@AveRage_Joe

5 жыл бұрын

Its a 14s100p 48v system! So far working GREAT!!!

Hi I have 18650 48volt diy made battries how do I connect them in parrel I mean the anderson connectors...you went and put them in series to come to 48 volts...I already have 48volts packs and 5 of them...the reason y I'm saying Anderson connectors because that's nice and easy man wooow thanks nice work...pls reply

@AveRage_Joe

4 жыл бұрын

If multiple strings in parallel Id probly connect at a busbar or combiner box with HRC fuses.

@safwanyousuf3570

4 жыл бұрын

@@AveRage_Joe well honestly havnt understood yet but will come to that when the time comes....I've started the exact same way you are building....I bought a ryobi mitre saw today worth $250 got a pvc 3/4 but mine aren't coming out straight like yours maybe the brand I'm buying another ones tmrw...I just got 110 laptop batteries for $100😂 bloody hell it's a job u guys make it so easy isnt there anyway I can show you my progress unless I start posting on youtube my self 🤪 I had a channel though before getting married lols....still waiting for your new vid JOE😎

@AveRage_Joe

4 жыл бұрын

110 packs is a STEAL at that price!!! What kind of pvc are you using? I used 3/4 schedule 80 cause the side wall was thicker. If you do facebook you can join the diy powerwall group facebook.com/groups/diypowerwalls/ and post pics ect there.

There's should be a relation between my charge controller and the Batrium bypass for example if I let my charger controller stop charging a 57.26V this is about 4.09 volts for each cell(or module cell) so in the top balance the Batrium bypass volt should be 4.09 or something different

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah thats what I did on mine!

Don't know if this made it so trying again... What AWG wire did you use to extend the longmon wires? 22? 24? Whatever it took?

@CanispaterChristmas

5 жыл бұрын

Oh and THIS IS THE MOST AWESOME BATRIUM VIDEO I HAVE EVER SEEN!!!!!⚡️💥🔋 Sorry for not including that earlier.

@AveRage_Joe

5 жыл бұрын

I think it was 24-26g if I remember right!

@AveRage_Joe

5 жыл бұрын

BOOOOOM💥🤘

How did you decide on your pack size and why Joe?

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

To be honest, when I was implementing the idea to use the pvc pipe, I wasnt sure what I was going to do then I just said to myself, well 100 sounds like a good number and I havent seen anyone using 100p yet! Im super glad I did use 100p tho because if I went any bigger, I wouldnt have been able to fit them in the serer rack!!!💥😆👍

Feels like NASA control getting ready for launch

@AveRage_Joe

4 жыл бұрын

🤣🤘

@zevak1

4 жыл бұрын

All systems are go, we are ready for launch

Excellent Joe ...just so I understand ...each one of those packs are parallel packs that you then wire in series to get your 14S? If that is correct then each parallel pack has one Longmon attached to it? Thanks for always being helpful.

@AveRage_Joe

5 жыл бұрын

You got it!!! That is correct! 👍👍

@FretsNirvana

5 жыл бұрын

@@AveRage_Joe Thanks ....what amperage Anderson connectors and gauge wire are you using on those packs if I can ask. please. Just donated ...you deserve it big time.

@AveRage_Joe

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man!!!! Much appreciated!! Im using sb50 anderson connectors and they handle 50amps per wire. The connectors and wire are actually from servers I got from a recycler and they are 10awg👍💥

Joe- is the wire braiding on your wires made of metal or plastic (it looks like metal)? I ask because I was seeing you lay some of the boards perilously close to it and if it is metal, then we are talking about a serious short hazard!

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

You dont think I would do that now do you??? No for realz, Its plasteek or something😆👍

when I try to synchronies the watchmons I got this message error "device is out of sync"

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

Make sure your wires are connected correctly like this picture www.batrium.com/pages/how-to-connect-the-cellmon-modules-to-the-watchmon

Joe got a question about APC UPS are you still using it? Can I Email you?

@AveRage_Joe

4 жыл бұрын

Yup still using it. Hooptejoe at gmail

Yesterday was a cloudy day, so my SOC battery at the end of day was 29%. I let the system running, next day, one of my cell packs was 2.5V, there's a way to tell my system one of the cells packs is bellow 2.9V, turn off the system

@AveRage_Joe

5 жыл бұрын

I have done that a few times as well and now usually put the stuff back on grid so the packs dont get down that low. But if your not around like we are at times it would be nice to have an option to shut it off. The only way to do that automatically is to install a shunt trip. Then in the Watchmon software you can set it to trip the shunt which will disconnect the power at the voltage you set. I also need to get one for that reason or if some other issue comes up!

As a newb I have so many questions about exactly what the Batrium BMS does. I've read the Batrium web site and WiKi BMS but still don't completely understand. Maybe someone will shed some light on these questions. What does it really do? Is it just a monitor or does it actually charge/discharge the packs? Does the charge and discharge circuit flow through the Batrium or does it flow through the shunt and the BMS measures the shunt? The longmon's get hot. Do they actually discharge some packs with resistors to equalize them to other packs? The longmon's are not connected to each individual cell in each pack so how can they tell that an individual cell is going bad? And how do you identify that cell? Manual testing? Does it control fans to cool the batteries during discharge?

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

The Batrium is a BMS. It manages your batteries to keep them in balance as the packs recharge to full again. The reason is if one or more packs get out of balance on recharge, you could potentially overcharge one or more packs and that could be a bad thing for li-ion batteries as we all know. It is a smart battery monitor and the longmon on each pack has a bunch of little resistors on them that will activate and bleed off excess voltage if a pack starts to go out of balance from the others. The Batrium doesnt charge anything, just discharge when needed. The shunt will give you state of charge voltage and measures the amps coming and going into the entire pack. The longmon is attached to one pack and doesnt check each cell in a pack. You would get a good idea if a pack is having issues if it is recharging faster than all the other packs and the longmon is activated trying to bleed off excess voltage to try and stay in balance. Then yes, you would remove that pack and manually check the cells. You can actually set it up to turn on/off fans or other cooling/heating devices with the expansion board. I hope this sheds a little light on your questions and if you have more dont hesitate to ask!!!👍

@arkypaularky

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for taking the time to clarify all that.

Have you ever had a situation where the shunt didn't get detected? I'm still fighting with the Shuntmon2 getting detected on my Watchmon1 and my Watchmon4 boards. The wiring is all correct, but no lights, alas.

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

HHMM I havent had anything like that. Mine worked right away once powered up. Have you tried contacting Jaron to see if he had any ideas?

@aatheus

6 жыл бұрын

Via their contact form, yes. Currently looking at a paid support session from them to try to figure it out.

👍😎🖖

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

😱💥😆👍

Does this BMS manage the battery pack charging process or just monitor?

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

Yup, it will manage on the charge cycle and monitor on discharge cycle!👍

@TomlinsTE

6 жыл бұрын

It seems to me like the battery packs and charging system are complete and the BMS is simply branched off to the side. I don't understand how the BMS impedes the charging current to cells that don't need it. Thanks so much for this video by the way, very informative and well produced. =) Liked and subbed.

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

Yes its more of a add on system and each longmon takes care of the entire 100cell pack since there all connected in parallel. Not the individual cells in the pack. 🖒

Did you repair the "Watchmom" with the magic smoke?

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

No, Jaron wanted me to send it back so he could take a look at it. He added protection into the new model 4 thats coming out here soon from my blowing mine up to help prevent others blowing up theres!!😆 So it kinda worked out in everyones favor that I let the magic smoke out lol!!! BOOM!😜💥👍

@BrunoPOWEEER

6 жыл бұрын

AveRage Joe yeahh... awesome customer service + Jaron is super quick improving the design, you blink your eyes and there's a LOT of really handy changes, software and hardware features =]

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

+ElectricBike Yeah Ive had great customer service so far!!! And YES always changing/adapting to customer needs is great!!!😆👍

@threednutyoung7793

6 жыл бұрын

IronXSide do you meant the "Watchmom" without the magic smoke since AveRage Joe already let it out . 😜 BTW great work 👍👍👍 on both the video and the build esp with my OCD 😊.

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

+Young L BOOM🤣

Did you fix that Watchmon that had the magic smoke yourself? Or did Batrium swap it out for you?

@AveRage_Joe

4 жыл бұрын

No I sent it back and got a new one! Jaron wanted to see it to possibly add protection against it in newer versions!

@FretsNirvana

4 жыл бұрын

@@AveRage_Joe Thanks that is good to know..

Batrium should just put that smaller board with the connectors on the main board.. not sell a 2nd board just to prevent you cooking the board.. bad design I think if you're going to read out color wires and where they plug, best show photo of where they are plugged in case people get lost. OMG, 20:30 I can see pack fuses blowing soon ;) 100 Ohm shunt!?!?!? micro ohm ;)

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

+Phizicks I think most designs are custom installs the watchmon is put somewhere else and thats why they have you cut the plug. Ya I probly could have inserted a pic/diagram for those parts. Lol on the fuses Haaaaa🤣👍💥

What does the by-pass test check?

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

It is checking to make sure each longmon turns on or activates and puts a load on the pack. 😃👍🔋

@craigminca7446

6 жыл бұрын

AveRage Joe awesome thanks mate. I have a faulty pack then......batrium rocks

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

If your using rhe batrium, check the connections on that longmon and wiggle them a lil to see if it fixes it.

Looks like everybody is happy with batrium except me. my problems are: 1.- I was having a 2p14s system, but it was weak for running my clothes dryer, I move to 3p14s, test my clothes dryer everything work(consumption 6kW). Next day I start to smell like burn plastic, check my system the shunt was melting, my consumption energy should be by the time around 2kW. Batrium conclusion you inverter the polarity in the shunt. Maybe they have never install one shunt(heavy cables), I only disconnect the battery side on the shunt, so I can add my 1p14s to the system. Finally they decide to ship me a new shunt, only pay the shipping. 2.- With the 3p14s I try to add a new inverter(shunt inverter side). The batrium system fail, no lights, I find the shunt was making the watchmon fail, I disconnect the shunt the watchmon work again. Having a conversation with Batrium they were agree to ship me a 1000 amp shunt for half the price but they told me to send them picture of my system, they conclude that I have 3 cables connected to the shunt(cables are tight no loose), so the shunt get hot and was damage. All the consumption in the system still running through the shunt. I check the shunt when I'm using the clothes dryer and there's no excesive heating(the average temperature of the shunt is 85degress Fahrenheit. My conclusion is the electronic part on the shunt is the culprit if you know the shunt you know there's tiny cables connected to the electronic part, for me is an electronic fail, for them was an electric one(big cables) If I want a 1000 amp shunt I have to pay the full price. My recommendation is avoid batrium, you don't have a third party, they decide you make the mistake and that's it. My system is a lot of components(panels, breaker, charger, inverters, surge protector etc.) all these were bought through amazon, or ebay. When one of them fail amazon or ebay decide if was really my fault no the company that sell the product.

@AveRage_Joe

4 жыл бұрын

Thats crazy! I havent heard of any problems like that. I havent had any issues except my own failures. I do know that connections will heat up if not properly connected and secure! Ive had that happen many times in past on other projects.

Logmon, watchmon, sounds like digimon

@AveRage_Joe

5 жыл бұрын

Nice! Didnt think of that one!😆

Don't solder wire in screw terminals

@AveRage_Joe

4 жыл бұрын

Why not?

Sir i have a question how many years thus lithium ion will be out of usage or failure? Thus all the cell will be replace? Or if using batrium how many years it will take to be replaced?

@AveRage_Joe

5 жыл бұрын

It can really depend on how you use the batteries. If you use them within there spec limits and charge and discharge under 1a per cell they can last many many years. It is usually double the length of lead acid. The batrium is a BMS, it makes sure you dont overcharge each pack and keeps them in balance with each other. There are many other options the user can set up for longer lithium life.

@nilobualoy117

5 жыл бұрын

AveRage Joe using batrium does the batrium can detect the deffect cell o thus batrium can pin point where the defective cell is located?

@AveRage_Joe

5 жыл бұрын

No it cannot pin point a bad cell in a big parallel pack but it can indicate a weak pack. Then you can go in and take a physical look to determine the cause.

@nilobualoy117

5 жыл бұрын

AveRage Joe thanks a lot for ur reply by the way if i will purchase a 14s batrium can i use it in 7s ?

@AveRage_Joe

5 жыл бұрын

Yes you can! The longmons can be used in any S you like! 😀👍

this stuff can get pretty expensive MON

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

JEAH MON!!!! Lol but its my permanent babysitter so in the long run for me its cheap!!! I would buy again and again! BOOM💥

Ven its new year my and my wife hisen to a song cold (ed sheeran prfekt)

@AveRage_Joe

4 жыл бұрын

🤘

@gasperajdnik5627

4 жыл бұрын

Aussie50 died. 😔.

@AveRage_Joe

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear that. I think I missunderstood the first comment!

I would never put a system containing such a ridiculous amount of energy that relies on such an unstable chemistry inside my house. Obviously, you will say it is save, but I would not sleep a wink. It only takes one cell to go rogue for the whole pack to catch fire and blow up. Any idea how your insurance underwriter would respond in case you survive a disaster?

@AveRage_Joe

4 жыл бұрын

Agree actually! I feel pretty lucky that I havent had any issues. Working on a possible safer solution!

What is a "long mon"..!!!!!

@AveRage_Joe

5 жыл бұрын

Basically a pcb with a bunch of resistors that will bleed off energy of a higher voltage pack to keep in balance with all the other packs!😄🖒

@AveRage_Joe

5 жыл бұрын

Batrium also has other Mons exp- leafmon for leaf batteries, blockmon (square pcb) for top mount batteries and longmon.

Dude PLEASE use rubber gloves at ANY time, when dealing with 55v dc

@AveRage_Joe

6 жыл бұрын

I do have some that I wear a lot just did at this time lol😱

@zevak1

4 жыл бұрын

Pussy lol

@adon8672

4 жыл бұрын

Why must he wear gloves?