Back Pain and Your Brain: William S. Marras at TEDxOhioStateUniversity

Ph.D., CPE. William S. Marras holds the Honda Endowed Chair in the Department of Integrated Systems Engineering at the Ohio State University. He serves as the director of the Biodynamics Laboratory and is in the process of developing the Spine Research Institute at The Ohio State University. Dr. Marras also holds joint appointments in the Departments of Orthopaedic Surgery, Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation, as well as Biomedical Engineering. His research is centered on musculoskeletal causal pathway investigations including occupational biomechanical epidemiologic studies, laboratory biomechanics studies, mathematical modeling, and clinical studies of the spine. His findings have been published in over 200 peer reviewed journal articles and numerous books and book chapters including a recent book entitled "The Working Back: A Systems View." Professor Marras was the past Chair of the Board on Human Systems Integration at the National Research Council (NRC). He is currently Editor-in-Chief of Human Factors, Deputy Editor of Spine, and has been elected to the National Academy of Engineering (the National Academies).
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  • @lynn.d1015
    @lynn.d10155 жыл бұрын

    Im 20 plus years with back pain . 3 disc removed . And a neuro stimulater implant. Constant pain does mess with your mind . It’s affects your life

  • @karelpeeraer7866

    @karelpeeraer7866

    4 жыл бұрын

    Lynn .D if you have this problem, you could read books of dokter Sarno!

  • @statelinechoppers4458

    @statelinechoppers4458

    4 жыл бұрын

    I served 2 tours overseas in the Marine Corps, I am 35 years old and have suffered from chronic back pain since a vehicle accident in 2007 Iraq. I have suffered for 13 years and am sick and tired of this. I have leg pain, back pain, weakness, Problems going to the bathroom, haven't had a full night sleep in over a decade because of my pain. This most recent "flair up" has been so severe I have been shaking, sweating and puking from the intensity of my pain. My mental stability from this is at question. Anger, distancing myself, depression and hate are just the beginning... I survived the Iraq war and this pain I am living with is driving me to thoughts of suicide. Simply because I can't live any longer with this level of pain. I don't want to live if this kind of pain is what my life has become. This is ridiculous, pain of this level should never be the answer to back pain. I eat healthy, and am not over weight. I am truly at a loss, the VA has been aware of this for years. I'm done, over pain and suffering. Is there an answer??? Someone, anyone please.... I need help.

  • @thomasarbec7242

    @thomasarbec7242

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@statelinechoppers4458 Look at it as a challenge. Check out Kat

  • @thomasarbec7242

    @thomasarbec7242

    3 жыл бұрын

    Check out Kat Naud. She was hurt when her horse fell on her and she has constant pain. I believe her blog is " the other side".

  • @NANA-tz7ep

    @NANA-tz7ep

    3 жыл бұрын

    ​@@statelinechoppers4458 See a Gonstead Chiropractor! Hire an expert physical trainer/therapist and swim/calisthenics. Find more methods to increase blood flow and oxygen, like hyperbaric chamber sessions. Get electrical stimulation from something like the Sota Silver Pulser. Hire a nutritionist or take boron/borax and other relevant nutrients while drinking lots of water. Get umbilical stem cell injections in Mexico/Panama (10-30k). Rid yourself of all bad habits, especially the ones that temporarily relieve pain like sitting/laying/opiates/nsaids. Juice organic raw cannabis leaves/flowers with mandarin oranges and mct (coconut) oil. Meditate, stay social, and see a therapist. Take natural pain killers for breakthrough pain, like kratom for example. Pray to God. Thanks for your service man. I'd like to see our politicians and bankers be the first to fight on foreign soil, since it's really their wars and agendas.

  • @backinband1595
    @backinband15956 жыл бұрын

    Great to see this data behind the emotional state and it's affects on one's physical health. Movement is medicine.

  • @FishbowlSoulSwimming
    @FishbowlSoulSwimming9 жыл бұрын

    Dr. John Sarno has been on to this since the '70s, so really nothing new here. If you have persistent back pain, I suggest reading some of his books, for example 'Healing Back Pain'. Other good books include 'Back Sense' and 'Back in Control'. They're all relatively cheap on Amazon; you won't regret it. I was once bedridden with severe back pain, and I'm back running and biking now thanks to Dr. Sarno. :)

  • @flipgsp

    @flipgsp

    7 жыл бұрын

    Dr Sarno is a genius. I had brutal pelvic pain for 3 years which was not getting better until I read Dr Sarnos books. I healed completely and got my life back thanks to him.

  • @CKC-gk2dh

    @CKC-gk2dh

    7 жыл бұрын

    Here here to John Sarno! Reading his book healed my back pain!

  • @keldraalpine7091

    @keldraalpine7091

    7 жыл бұрын

    I would not recommend his book to anyone with a spinal cord injury. Not that you always know. That book really slowed me down as far as treatment was concerned.

  • @LilMissBritshyt

    @LilMissBritshyt

    6 жыл бұрын

    Keldra, Dr. Sarno encourages those with chronic pain to be seen by a medical doctor to rule out injury and disease.

  • @leonakita

    @leonakita

    6 жыл бұрын

    Sarno's methodology may work for some with minor back strain, however, you cannot cure real nerve damage and resultant pain by retraining your brain....thats like saying I can learn to fly by donning artificial wings and studying birds.

  • @scaleneous
    @scaleneous3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for confirming what every introvert knows in their bones

  • @wolfrayet2082
    @wolfrayet20827 жыл бұрын

    I got injured years ago doing a job that required much heavy lifting at difficult angles. The fractures I endured I like to think are healing. But other issues have occurred as a result of the trauma. Pain flares are still a reality.

  • @DividedWarrior
    @DividedWarrior5 жыл бұрын

    I am a 24 year old and I was thrown to the ground and crushed until suffocation. Everyday is worse and worse with pain. Please help those in need with back-pain.

  • @xxDrLecter77

    @xxDrLecter77

    4 жыл бұрын

    Read the great pain deception of steve ozanich. That book will change your life. I send you a hug.

  • @thomasarbec7242

    @thomasarbec7242

    3 жыл бұрын

    Domestic terrorism?

  • @bigcws4522

    @bigcws4522

    Жыл бұрын

    @@thomasarbec7242 that's my thought also Thomas.

  • @Morningstar437

    @Morningstar437

    Жыл бұрын

    Read dr john sarno healing back pain

  • @DividedWarrior

    @DividedWarrior

    Жыл бұрын

    @@xxDrLecter77 Thank you DrLecter. I appreciate the hug and will add this to my reading list. Hope you are well.

  • @mustangnawt1
    @mustangnawt1 Жыл бұрын

    Balance my life? My life is a symptom of back pain. Headed the wrong way on a one way. Fell for everyone

  • @ayoonismail329
    @ayoonismail3293 жыл бұрын

    20 years old with two years back pain sad can’t work can’t pay my bills without finding job now I’m working as labour

  • @Gpacharlie
    @Gpacharlie8 жыл бұрын

    Why don't they ever ask people in chronic pain what causes it, helps it, makes it worse. A long term study with chronic pain patients. Low back, mid back, neck. MS, Fibromyalgia.

  • @keldraalpine7091

    @keldraalpine7091

    7 жыл бұрын

    I see neurosurgeons and pain doctors and of course, PTs--they always ask me those questions.

  • @bethlewis9184

    @bethlewis9184

    4 жыл бұрын

    Chuck W alll

  • @bethlewis9184

    @bethlewis9184

    4 жыл бұрын

    Chuck W p

  • @4TIMESAYEAR

    @4TIMESAYEAR

    4 жыл бұрын

    Or two slipped discs. I woke up with them one morning. After doing some research, I found out that's how it happens to most people. Was on a walker for a while because my legs didn't want to function; they felt like they were on fire. Cane for a year or so. Glad I never had surgery...the horror stories I hear.

  • @FishbowlSoulSwimming
    @FishbowlSoulSwimming9 жыл бұрын

    He correctly points out that emotional factors are key in understanding both the etiology and chronicity of back pain (this can apply to many other forms of muscoskeletal pain as well). This was demonstrated many times including a study of airport baggage handlers which proved that job satisfaction (or lack thereof) was the primary predictor of back pain development. I am confused about his emphasis on disc pathology. I think studies have conclusively shown zero correlation with pain.

  • @beetrootbonanza7640

    @beetrootbonanza7640

    8 жыл бұрын

    Zero Correlation? bit of a sweeping statement?

  • @peterkane9648

    @peterkane9648

    7 жыл бұрын

    FishbowlSoulSwimming

  • @sunflowers28

    @sunflowers28

    4 жыл бұрын

    Has anyone found anything about rewiring brain pathways? According to one tape, this is key. The speaker said the brain keeps sending pain signals down the same pathway, because that is what it's accustomed to doing. But she doesn't say anything about how to actually accomplish this rewiring of pathways. I can't find Anything. Thanks! :)

  • @MichaelGustavsonArchitect

    @MichaelGustavsonArchitect

    3 жыл бұрын

    Please don't determine your beliefs about chronic pain based on a story about baggage handlers and how much they like their jobs. The un-controlled variables in a pseudo-science study like that are infinite. Nothing of value can come from such a study. If you don't agree consider this: how many other complaints might you get from a person who had low satisfaction in their jobs? How many people might have exacerbated pain due to jobs that they hate. How many people will hide their pain if they love their jobs and don't want to lose their jobs? And on and on....

  • @joeybordz
    @joeybordz2 жыл бұрын

    Perfectly explained

  • @stuartkeithguitars4251

    @stuartkeithguitars4251

    Жыл бұрын

    Were you healed? Do you have the slightest idea what the FIRST step to healing is...from this vid?

  • @RobbRussellDC
    @RobbRussellDC11 жыл бұрын

    Dr. Marras correctly points out the pain generators can be identified in approximately 10 to 15% of cases. It is rather confusing then that he spends the curriculum time discussing disc and play degeneration and concludes that muscles are significant source of pain.

  • @Gpacharlie
    @Gpacharlie8 жыл бұрын

    If pain generators in the spine are only correctly identified 10 to 15 % of time why do so many surgeries occur? The chance of fixing the pain is low and the chance of causing new pain is high. Yet we still see very little evidence or outcome studies for pain and surgery.

  • @Consiglieremichelle

    @Consiglieremichelle

    6 жыл бұрын

    Chuck W One word. Money.

  • @classicambo9781

    @classicambo9781

    4 жыл бұрын

    And patient demands. People believe that invasive procedure will fix them so they demand them.

  • @Gpacharlie
    @Gpacharlie8 жыл бұрын

    Biomechanics is very important. Too many specialists not talking to each other though.

  • @simonkirkegaard3104

    @simonkirkegaard3104

    7 жыл бұрын

    Hi Chuck Do you have evidence to support that claim?

  • @exeos1512

    @exeos1512

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@simonkirkegaard3104 every specialist you go to has different opinion

  • @AlexProudfoot1
    @AlexProudfoot17 жыл бұрын

    I am glad Dr Marras is open to exploring pain. I found this an interesting talk. It suggests to me when we feel 'up' about life there is more likely to be space between the joints. Conversely, when we feel 'down' about life there is more likely to be a contracting and limiting of movement. I notice while he talks he has a damaged left leg where to stay upright he has to put most weight on his left leg. However, in doing so he angles his pelvis and this has a knock on effect on his torso, shoulder girdle and neck. I am a trained Alexander Technique teacher and wonder, rather than keeping the pelvis level, if in angling his pelvis this kind of change of use on a regular basis might also promote damage to internal tissue. Perhaps both aspects can be considered when approaching physical/mental pain.

  • @stuartkeithguitars4251

    @stuartkeithguitars4251

    Жыл бұрын

    Do you still have pain after this video? I don't see in the video where anyone is given the slightest advice on what to do.

  • @tudiecampagna5793
    @tudiecampagna57932 жыл бұрын

    What about SIJoint? And why does it not get addressed in the back pain talks?

  • @benjamingardner3314
    @benjamingardner3314 Жыл бұрын

    Nice introduction into emotional drive in pain centralization. Two things I found regrettable: 1) the 6 wk mark of chronicity. Not only is that a very narrow window compared to most studies, but his language was rather catastrophizing. I get that he's compelling urgent attention, but I think he might have made that a redline without explaining later patient expectation. 2) he should have also mentioned that damage to the disc has an unknown effect on pain causality, most people show up with disc damage on imaging without any symptoms. Again, this seemed a little critical for a talk about how emotions and beliefs affect pain. But, at minimum, he did open up the door for people to start learning more about the topic.

  • @iron60bitch62
    @iron60bitch624 жыл бұрын

    I’m just wondering how I can apply this to my own situation or should I even attempt to but it’s a very good video

  • @elisabethjean

    @elisabethjean

    3 жыл бұрын

    Look into Dr. John Sarno, he talks about this in more depth. He has helped heal hundreds of thousands of people through his knowledge.

  • @Laura-pi6ht
    @Laura-pi6ht5 жыл бұрын

    Didn't work for me. I have nerve damage and failed back surgery, the only thing that works for me are the opiods. I can't even walk or think without them. Too bad there is nothing more helpful for us.

  • @NisseWestfelt

    @NisseWestfelt

    5 жыл бұрын

    Laura You may want to look into dr John Sarnos work. It has helped thousands and thousands of people experiencing all kinds of pain. Many people with failed back surgerys has been helped completely and are completely free of pain where everything else has failed. All the best.

  • @towhomitmayconcern8866

    @towhomitmayconcern8866

    5 жыл бұрын

    full spectrum (whole plant) hemp and/or cannabis extracts, oils, topical rubs

  • @shushimushi

    @shushimushi

    4 жыл бұрын

    Laura, I wish you get better soon. Much love.

  • @kg6qzx

    @kg6qzx

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@towhomitmayconcern8866 everybody seems to believe that cannabis and hemp / CBD are now health foods and cure-all’s and the answer when anyone mentions currently using opioids for pain relief. THC is a drug like any other...just a different type. And it does help for some but not all people. I get zero relief from any Cannabis related product. One drug gets demonized and now THC is the cure to everything. And THC users now help to point out how anything else is now “bad”...some only get relief from traditional opioid treatments. It’s the difference between being bed ridden and actually being able to physically move and participate in a normal life....and the media has created a witch hunt. Addicts ruin the legitimate medical use and make others suffer😞.

  • @arubeira
    @arubeira5 жыл бұрын

    Very disappointed in this talk. Disc degeneration is extremely common as people age with 88% of 60 year olds demonstrating this on MRI scans. If this were a primary cause of low back pain, then the percentage of the population experiencing low back pain would increase each decade; however, this is exactly the opposite of what the evidence shows. Low back pain peaks between the ages of 30 and 50 and then decreases steadily throughout the rest of the lifespan. Therefore, as degenerative changes (arthritis and degenerative disc disease) become more common, low back pain becomes less common. As a matter of fact, only disc herniations have been conclusively linked to causing low back pain, but evidence also shows that if a person remains active, disc herniations will resolve within 3-6 months. Furthermore, disc bulges, disc end plate changes, facet joint arthritis and disc degeneration were not found to be the cause of low back pain since the asymptomatic population shows all of these changes, which increase in frequency as the human body normally ages.

  • @tinac3094

    @tinac3094

    3 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely right. You said everything I wanted to say but better! 👍

  • @peggyharris3815
    @peggyharris38156 жыл бұрын

    This proves it. Some people are a pain in the back. 9:18-end.

  • @jallenjohnson9766

    @jallenjohnson9766

    6 жыл бұрын

    @peggy harris lol

  • @rasheeda1303

    @rasheeda1303

    4 жыл бұрын

    Peggy be nice🤣🤣🤣

  • @resetmyzen1585

    @resetmyzen1585

    4 жыл бұрын

    Peggy Harris 😂😂😂

  • @shamanculture780
    @shamanculture7803 жыл бұрын

    This guy... We dont have a boss bro we dont have jobs bc we are too busy screaming and cursing the sciatic nerve.

  • @Gpacharlie
    @Gpacharlie8 жыл бұрын

    This study still does not show correlation of emotion and pain. Stress and muscle tightness yes, but not stress and pain.

  • @inspireresilience6413

    @inspireresilience6413

    4 жыл бұрын

    I once did this psychk exercise where went back to emotional traumas and i was holding back tears i told her how i was told not to cry and so that always stuck with me and she said no you need ro cry to heal and as so hard as it was to stop holding back as i do i did a little bit and it released so much tensions and my stomach like readjusted itself or something it was so weird it just released something and had relaxed me ro where i had no more pains but later on it came back as i stressed about something smh... Guess got to cry it out idk but you know Japan really knows some benefits of crying as alot if employers make their employees cry to reduce stress and become more productive one crying session can reduce a week worth of stress and they're licensed therapists over their trained just for making people cry smh...and so well thats got to say something

  • @bigman806
    @bigman8065 жыл бұрын

    If No opioids = miserable unproductive individual & with opioids that same individual is a productive individual who can enjoy life again and is not impaired maybe let them have the meds they need to do that.

  • @oAgL214

    @oAgL214

    Жыл бұрын

    Many people become addicted to opioids, they take their life die to how opioids ruin their lives. Plenty of stories out there.

  • @stuartkeithguitars4251
    @stuartkeithguitars4251 Жыл бұрын

    I learned two small things from this and one giant thing. The small things were engineering related and the giant thing is that the medical community sucks money out of everyone, lives QUITE high on the hog, and then offers YOU very little solutions....just like this vid. You tell us all about our pain....except for the one thing that matters...what to DO about it....another leeching enterprise.

  • @legendoctane5732
    @legendoctane5732 Жыл бұрын

    Accupressure is good for back

  • @virendra99au
    @virendra99au5 жыл бұрын

    just watch last 5 min to understand all.

  • @eco2bee

    @eco2bee

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @benevans3811
    @benevans38112 жыл бұрын

    I haven't had a single day of even mild relief of intesne, severe chronic pain all up and down my back neck to sacrum. I've had several x rays which clearly show several misalignment and compressed disc's. Just in 2 years I've spent 20k in chiropractor and decompression treatment. I'm worse now then I eve have been it's been 20yrs of chronic discomfort and pain, the last 3 yrs has been excruciating pain, I don't sleep, my guts hurt, blurred vision dizzy, emotional, extreme exhaustion, irritability, it goes on and on. My wife and kids suffer the consequences of my condition...someday I want to kill myself it is so bad!!! Doctors are not helping at all, I don't know what to do. I struggle to keep working but I run a business and have employees and clients that depend on me but I just barely get by. I'm literally sick and tired and don't see anyway of relief outside of death.

  • @oAgL214

    @oAgL214

    Жыл бұрын

    I hope you're doing better, I recommend you to watch Dr Rahim here on KZread. He's a great chiropractor and you don't leave his office with some kind of relief. Some, if not most chiropractors only take your money, he actually helps you. I don't know where you live but he's in LA, definitely worth it. 1st visit is $1200 as he does x-rays, sometimes MRI, adjustment, etc and every visit after that was $200 a few months back, so the price must be the same or slightly higher, not sure. Wish you the best! Hopefully this helps you somehow!

  • @DeyBwah

    @DeyBwah

    Жыл бұрын

    I have 12 ruptured discs spread across my lumbar, thoracic, and cervical vertebrae. I went from being paralyzed by pain to back squatting over 400lbs (2x+ body weight). The body is designed to heal. Just need to remove all the things that cause inflammation and make sure you have minimal deficiencies in nutrition. A good place to start is earthing. Look for the Earthing Movie on KZread. Being grounded has helped my inflammation tremendously. And sleep.

  • @MichaelGustavsonArchitect

    @MichaelGustavsonArchitect

    10 ай бұрын

    @@DeyBwah How does "earthing" work?

  • @Goosemeyer
    @Goosemeyer11 жыл бұрын

    Dr. Sarno was first.

  • @MichaelGustavsonArchitect

    @MichaelGustavsonArchitect

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes, but even post Dr. Sarno the ailment of chronic pain still exists and even grows around the world. If Dr. Sarno had the answer, then why are so many people still experiencing chronic pain? Does it make any sense to believe that Dr. Sarno has the solution and everyone in the world is missing out on this solution? Or, does it make more sense to believe that Dr. Sarno may have had some things to say which have made him a lot of money, but ultimately we are still in the same boat we were in decades ago regarding chronic pain treatment?

  • @natlove2099

    @natlove2099

    11 ай бұрын

    @@MichaelGustavsonArchitect Well to be fair Dr. Sarno is seen by a lot of people as pseudoscience in the field of medicine so his message doesn't get across to as many people as it should.

  • @MichaelGustavsonArchitect

    @MichaelGustavsonArchitect

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@natlove2099 If Dr Sarno's methods worked reliably, the entire world would know about it within days. People don't shy away from miracles. Sadly, people don't shy away from fake miracles either.

  • @simonkirkegaard3104
    @simonkirkegaard31047 жыл бұрын

    A ton of out of date and misinformation about back pain :/

  • @doc2help
    @doc2help Жыл бұрын

    The stressed experiments sounds highly unethical.

  • @Lizmar9329
    @Lizmar93294 жыл бұрын

    Annoying to watch him constantly "hang on his hips" when talking about lower back pain. As this is my nr. 1 reason for developing chronic backpain.

  • @deborahgolob6275
    @deborahgolob6275 Жыл бұрын

    So wordy

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