Sensory pain is real, but our mind creates a copy of the pain due to anticipation of the next wave of real pain, and sometimes our mind's pain anticipation is more painful compared to the actual physical pain. The biggest listen in my life was when I developed tinnitus; the first 3 years were so difficult; the ringing in my ears was so bad that I was looking forward to dying, just thinking of dying alone and feeling that the ringing would go away was calming. One day, I sat down and kept listening to the ringing noise in my head, and I told myself the sounds were a blessing that was here, and it was part of me just like any other part of my body; after practicing this for a while now, my tinnitus doesn't bother me anymore. Acceptance is the key if there is no cure for our illness.

I have chronic pain and some real panic attacks triggered by it. Hearing to not assign meaning to the pain today was so helpful. I finally took a few minutes to breathe and my anxiety is gone. I feel like a normal person right now. The science really helped lock it in for me. Thank you

@elsalucy8930

Жыл бұрын

It’s

I sometimes cope with my pain by thinking deeply of all my fellow sufferers and knowing we all share this burden together. Misery loves company.

@SuperNewf1

4 жыл бұрын

Smoke some weed with the rest of us then.

@tousifk3138

4 жыл бұрын

@@SuperNewf1 have you ever tried LSD ?

@SuperNewf1

4 жыл бұрын

@@tousifk3138 Not for pain.

@tousifk3138

4 жыл бұрын

@@SuperNewf1 try it for pain

@SuperNewf1

2 жыл бұрын

@@tousifk3138 I tried mushrooms. It does offer some temporary relief.

Hello, I have suffered for years with chronic pain. Pain that takes your breath away, you can't think, you can't sleep, you can't do anything except lay there for days. I get that kind of pain. When I first heard people talk about mindfulness for severe chronic pain it made my angry, and I thought sure someone who doesn't have pain can say all this. It's easy to say this when you don't have pain, but the reality is it can help. I promise it can. Will someone be 100% pain free, no, but will it help, yes. Really, if nothing else is working it is worth trying and being open minded when you try it.

@SuperNewf1

4 жыл бұрын

Try Cannabis.

@chenks54

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe it can help some people, but it didn't help me .. and having been a Buddhist, I'd been practicing mindfulness meditation long before my bike accident which was the cause of the chronic pain.

@adcrane

3 жыл бұрын

@@SuperNewf1 The two are not mutually exclusive, and I'd be more inclined towards refined cannabidiol rather than the haphazard cocktail of substances that cannabis is.

@chenks54

3 жыл бұрын

I know exactly what you mean. It's about time the NHS employed people in their 'Pain Clinics' who themselves suffer from chronic pain. Btw, I've tried cannabis .. all it does is change the nature of the pain, and only for a short while. Trouble is it's easy to get addicted and need more to induce the same effect. Gabapentin (Neurontin) seems to be of little help. Regarding opiates, I'm not sure about getting addicted. I reckon some people are more easily addicted than others. I guess it's down to the individual. It's funny isn't it - with all this modern technology they still don't appear to have found a way to measure levels of pain in an individual other than asking: On a level of 1 to 10 where 1 is the least and 10 is the worst, how do you feel right now? .. and what do these numbers 1 to 10 mean to someone whose never experienced chronic pain - very little I should imagine. Trish - I feel for you sweetheart! I know exactly how you feel. There are days when I have to unplug the landline and switch off my mobile. On those days, nothing helps, whether it be standing up, sitting down, lying down, hot baths, whatever. Pain is so bad you can't even think straight!

@klarity1111

2 жыл бұрын

It's a help, but does not take the place of my opioid prescription.

I had a foot injury in winter and pain meditation protocol truly helped me to deal with the sharpness of the pain. I could be med-free. Not only that, the pain was not preventing me from experiencing life in a limited capacity.

I’ve completed the best pain management program at a centre of excellence in the UK and it’s transformed my whole life. Not only mindfulness is part of the answer, exercise in the correct way and understanding the way our bodies move and what it needs are massive parts of the whole program. I can now use mindfulness to process the thought and feeling of pain to get through the pain. We can’t stop the pain, which is why chronic pain is a thing, but we can use our own mind to deal with the pain better. I’m still taking strong painkillers but I’ve ceased a lot of others/reduced dosages. I now have a life and I take an active part in my family etc. I’m no longer anxious and depressed by the weight of debilitating chronic pain. Pain management is much more than watching a KZread video, but this is a quick guide to how using mindfulness can help with chronic pain. Seek medical support for attending a PMP and give everything you have to make it work. It’s completely worth it.

@adamdouglas9077

5 жыл бұрын

I went through a whole 9 week mindfulness program, which shockingly (sarcasm) my therapist was willing to sell for the low low price of i think it was $250 to $350, but I found all of the materials online for free. Didn't work for me. I'm trying another one here at an actual place other than my computer in two weeks. For me so far the only pain relief I ever recieve is with kratom for daytime and cannabis for sleep.

@karencahill9782

5 жыл бұрын

AdamD I hope it goes well for you. My course was funded by the NHS and the approx cost was £16,000 so I know I’m lucky to have been chosen. I had 4 interviews and the final assessment was with a panel - a clinical psychologist, a physiotherapist, a pain consultant and an occupational therapist. Each day was group sessions which each of them, not just explaining the methods but also why. We had sessions with consultants about pain and how the body processes pain signals, how our skeleton changes as we age etc. I’ve learnt tai chi, yoga, Pilates and the correct stretches for me. I wouldn’t have learnt 100th of the methods if I’d read the material myself so I really hope you have the same teaching available that I had. Good luck 😃

@thisisbob1001

5 жыл бұрын

@@karencahill9782 thanks for your feedback. Your tips I will try. Good to know there is some hope. Thanks.

@pogoarora7202

4 жыл бұрын

@@karencahill9782 hello Karen, could you perhaps pleas, tell me which hospital or trust delivered this course for you? My aunty has a lot of pain and we heard about this course, but I guess it depends also on who is running it, unless there is a specific format which is then used by everyone on the NHS. I also heard that there are some pain management courses that are residential. Was yours ? Thank you

@yasinv3743

6 ай бұрын

What about trigeminal neuralgia pain ?

I use guided meditations for my fibromyalgia and it works!

Sending gratitude from a Daoist monastery near Seattle!

I always think about my chronic pain and I have fibromyalgia and chronic migraines. It’s always painful for me. My family/frinds do not understand. I keep working out and keep my self in shapes. As long as u keep moving it helps always. Thanks for sharing this TRD talks:

@oAgL214

2 жыл бұрын

Are you taking magnesium? Magnesium malate is great for fibromyalgia.

@irmakalember9403

2 жыл бұрын

@@oAgL214 yes I do I have supplants for chronic migraines.

Heres the thing - often times its very difficult for people with chronic illness to maintain a straight posture for a long period of time.

@marakavanaugh6490

4 жыл бұрын

I understand this concern, I believe that one doesn't need to sit in a straight posture, You could try laying down, or standing, or sitting in a comfortable chair (The posture you're in doesn't really have anything to do with the work you're doing in your head.) Also, Once things get too intense. Stop the meditation. Do what you can and your times may increase as your brain is slowly rewired. It may take a week, a month, maybe 6 months or a year. But it'll work. :) Cheers. This isn't a cure all and It may not cure the pain entirely. However, it'll help one deal with it. Like he says at the end, the person is still in pain. He's just accepted the pain, which makes it easier for him to live with it. Hence, experiencing only the first dart of pain. My mother suffers from fibromyalgia and she's been able to start rewiring her brain towards a less painful life.

@SuperNewf1

4 жыл бұрын

I spent 11 years in Severe Chronic Pain with no treatment. I think i had a heart attack after five years and i was surely headed for a stoke as I was getting dizzy spells and sleep derivation. My blood pressure rose to 240/180 at the doctors office yet still no pain management at all. Blood pressure pills and antidepressants did nothing for me to give me relief. Never treated for pain at all in 40 years.

@sunflowers28

4 жыл бұрын

I like this whole idea I got from a couple different hypnosis tapes. I'm just centering and breathing, until I feel the muscles where the pain is, relax. It's almost like I feel the muscles dropping down. It must be the whole thing about the muscles want to hold everything together tight where the injury was/is, whatever you want to say. 😊 Helps a lot. I do that 3-5X a day.

@tcharles8172

3 жыл бұрын

@@marakavanaugh6490 Awesome response, lady, Awesome response 👏 👍

@thehunterofdeath2180

2 жыл бұрын

Facts

Mindfulness Meditation helps me as a supplement, but I still need my prescriptions for Gabapentin and Oxycodone.

@lquiddro5693

2 жыл бұрын

Seen bioxcellerator?

@robertthreet7020

2 жыл бұрын

Cannabis might be able to replace the pills... if you live in a medical state

@fcllc4217

Жыл бұрын

@@robertthreet7020 Cannabis doesn't work for many people who suffer with chronic pain.

@rebeccaskylow

Жыл бұрын

@@fcllc4217 CBD is pretty great.

@susanb1394

Жыл бұрын

@@fcllc4217 didn’t work for me. Just made me dizzy.

were your test subjects actual chronic pain patients, or did you induce the pain stimulation in some way?

I've recently been on a Pain Management Programme in the UK and a large part of it was teaching us about mindful meditation. I've not been practicing it for a long time, but recently have felt a lot calmer and able to address other aspects of my life that had fallen away due to debilitating and demoralising pain. In our course the first and second dart were described as blue pillow/white pillows stacked on top for fluffier imagery. Gentle graded introduction of exercise is the next part of the puzzle as a less fatigued, stronger body will make it easier for your body to lessen the effects of the pain. That part will be harder to maintain, but I am in no doubt that I will keep up the mindfulness meditation, and also informally at various parts of the day practise mindfulness exercises when doing chores such as washing up. I definitely feel better, though not cured of the pain. I'll take that. Watching this Ted talk has cemented the idea for me and will be sharing it with other members of my group. Thanks

The fibromyalgia vs DOMS from running a marathon comparison is fascinating. Apparently there are studies showing exercise has vastly more health benefits if someone chooses to exercise and feels good about the decision. Someone forced or coerced to exercise (for their job, or by a spouse for example) didn't receive anywhere near the same benefits. Our attitude literally impacts our physical health. If that doesn't convince you that the state of our consciousness defines our phenomenal experience idk what will. The most important thing anyone can do in life is find the separation between themselves and their thoughts, and recognize that their conception of "self" is a sophisticated illusion of constantly changing thoughts, emotions, and memories.

@jdoohan1763

11 ай бұрын

I'm trying to work on this.

I have been meditating (on and off) for almost 50 years and still suffer from chronic and debilitating pain. Yes, the meditation helps a bit, but not enough to get me out of bed on most days.

@Cheryl-ke4pp

2 жыл бұрын

Same here. Can't get out of bed. I live alone and wonder why even live if my life is to lay here 24/7 in tears waiting to die. Meditations help a little but only a small few. And they help b/c they get my mind off the pain...sometimes. God bless!

@lisalisa4832

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cheryl-ke4pp Are you a little better? I understand you, I live with a lot of pain daily too.

@reneecharles2281

2 жыл бұрын

Laura,Cheryl,Lisa....i believe you! We need help from God.The pain has taken my lightheartedness away and i am going to ask God what good can come of it and if He give me faith,show me how to talk to Him,and beg for relief.Then,if i get any,remember to thank God and teach others to talk to God.People who meditate? On what? The beauty of an oreo cookie? Meditation is a real watered down word for prayer...and it doesnt work.

@calmaeiluminacion9377

2 жыл бұрын

Try frequencies like sapiens medicine or good vibes. I have been listening those audios 3 times per day and helps , not fully but most of it

@joshgill1396

2 жыл бұрын

I find it hard to believe you’ve been meditating that long and if you have with little results you need to seriously look into meditating correctly

I've been doing mindful meditation for 10 months. I do the best I can for being stuck in bed 24/7 due to pain. Sadly it really hasn't helped much. Hope others get better results. Some extreme levels of pain from head to toe like mine maybe don't get the same benefits as those with mild to moderate pain.

@SuperNewf1

2 жыл бұрын

for sure no amount of thinking will relieve severe or acute chronic Pain. i agree it might help those in mild pain.

@calmaeiluminacion9377

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe try frequencies audios like those if sapiens medicine and good vibes. It helps significally, also read the book you are the placebo of Joe Dispenza

@Cheryl-ke4pp

2 жыл бұрын

@@calmaeiluminacion9377 You mean like gamma HZ binaural beats? And I just looked up the book you suggested. It's so in touch with all I've been reading about our mind being the battlefield where all the real wars are fought. I see KZread has the entire book online. It's a 9 hr listen but if I like the beginning I'll just order it. TY for the suggestions! It could save my life or at least keep me sane for whatever time I have.

@calmaeiluminacion9377

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cheryl-ke4pp hope you find some relief , they also post on KZread testimonies of people with different conditions like fibromyalgia, MS, etc who get fully recovered . Blessings

@lquiddro5693

2 жыл бұрын

I was in a severe car accident 3 years ago and just found out about bioxcellerator. They’re in Colombia but even joe Rogan talked about it

Just give me pain relief with no side effects or no serious side effects I don't understand why thats so hard. Fed up of being in pain and feeling like I'm dying I feel like I'm 80 😭

@SuperNewf1

4 жыл бұрын

Use Cannabis. It helps with pain.

@tousifk3138

4 жыл бұрын

Ya specially CBD

@Rachie-nj3oi

4 жыл бұрын

@@SuperNewf1 I use cannabis still have pain 😔

@Rachie-nj3oi

4 жыл бұрын

@@tousifk3138 never tried cbd have thought about it through 🤔

@tousifk3138

4 жыл бұрын

@@Rachie-nj3oi weed is not for everyone, sometimes it just keeps u stuck in a spiral or make the pain worse if it has to do with sensatised nerves , so if u feel more pain on weed it's not for u , CBD will give you nice relaxation , but if you really want to break it go for Lsd it's totally a different level

He says the people were able to let the pain go by realizing that it was only momentary and fleeting. To me that is not chronic pain. With chronic pain you know even if it goes away for a little while it is coming right back. I have fibromyalgia. That is not momentary or fleeting

@Override.Health

3 жыл бұрын

It sure isn't fleeting, but we have discovered that it doesn't have to control your life.

@brendalg4

3 жыл бұрын

@@Override.Health saying that with no details doesn't help

@oAgL214

2 жыл бұрын

@@brendalg4 magnesium malate, take it, research the link between its deficiency and fibromyalgia.

Never thought I'd see the simile of the dart in a ted talk. This was an interesting presentation.

As someone with chronic pain, I'm excited to try mindfulness. However, the way he said that you don't have to process the pain because it's already over implies that chronic pain is a fleeting sensation. This, at least for me, is completely incorrect. I can't get away from my pain even when I sleep. I agree with everything he said but that.

@zxyatiywariii8

7 жыл бұрын

Genna Elmer I agree. It seems that these people were given temporary, heat-induced pain, in a laboratory setting. It's a common method for testing analgesics, but (as you and I know!) this type of pain is vastly different from chronic pain precisely because it has a time limit, whereas chronic pain is neverending. But if you do find mindfulness to be helpful, I'd be very interested to hear about it. . .

@KateLate____

6 жыл бұрын

Genna Elmer I agree, he said the wrong thing there. I have fibromyalgia and have been doing meditation specifically for pain. My hospital one is available free on KZread. I have to say it honestly does help, even though i was skeptical.

@khorhay

6 жыл бұрын

Would you be so kind as to post the link? Long story short, I have been suffering from chronic pain for over 12 years and while I still need to take some medication, I've found mindfulness and meditation to be extremely helpful. I'm always researching to find new things that can help me. Next week I'm doing my 3rd trial for a spinal cord stimulator and I'm praying the changes in technology will allow this one to give me some relief. Thank you Kathryn Lambkin.

@khorhay

6 жыл бұрын

I've found it to be extremely helpful! I still have to take long acting pain medicine and at times break through, but the dose is so much lower than I was on after my 3 level anterior posterior fusion. What would you like me to share with you? I believe in paying it forward so it would be my honor to try and find an alternative to medication that can help you get relief.

@khorhay

6 жыл бұрын

Melanie, I apologize for the misunderstanding. My 1st reply was directed to Kathryn Lambkin's comment "My hospital one is available free on KZread" and my 2nd was directed to zxy atiywariii's comment "But if you do find mindfulness to be helpful, I'd be very interested to hear about it." I am so sorry to hear you haven't had success but you're not the first person to share this with me. I've been teaching DBT and Music & Art Therapy for years and many of my patients are suffering from depression due to chronic pain so of course I work with them while they're under my care to find mindfulness exercises that work for them. Thank you kindly for providing me with another resource! My condition is also progressive, my heart goes out to you hun. I still haven't come to terms with what's happening to my body and it's only hurting my emotional well being. My dang stubborn Irish German nature just isn't ready to accept that at 42 years young I can no longer live the active amazing life I so enjoy. Some days I'm in denial and others I'm so angry and depressed I have a hard time finding the will to fight. I pray you are in a better place! Wishing you much peace, love, & light and sending healing energy your way.

Good to see this!

Great. Really glad I watched.

I meditate as a religion practice,but it helps my shingles pain as well-90% reducing of my pain ! its true !!!

My 2 cents worth: after a herniated cervical disc and ongoing neurological problems and pain caused by said injury for the last 2 years I can say that the mindful meditation helps. As he said it is not a cure all, case in point the 10 year old he spoke of. But even the boy is able to get past the sensations to a point. So isn't that a small win in itself? I have found that with daily meditation my pain levels are lower. Pain free? No, but a little less sometimes. The biggest benefit I have received personally so far from practicing this is the ability to lessen the anxiety that is caused from the shooting nerve pains and unexplained muscle cramps and twitches that come out of nowhere. With the anxiety lower the pain levels decrease for me as well. You have nothing to lose by trying it and anyone that reads this I encourage you at least give it an honest attempt. There are guided videos on KZread that literally talk you through it. There is hope for you and I pray that each and everyone of you find some relief and comfort.

@robbieanderson227

Жыл бұрын

Can I ask you, when did this start? I’ve been having this last 6 months … it’s awful but I can remove it by exercise and meditation

@robolyn

Жыл бұрын

​@@robbieanderson227 my symptoms started in September 2019. Today I still have bouts here and there of pain but they are short lived. if the problem is in your neck like mine was, I highly recommend a chiropractor that specializes in the upper blair cervical technique. God literally showed a local chiropractor to me that did this and within 4 visits the majority of my pain was gone without medication or surgery. I still see him but my visits are 8 weeks apart and it's mostly just a check up to see how everything is holding. I am back to doing very physical work (welding and fabricating steel work) and being able to work out for fitness. Good luck to you and I hope you can find results like I have

@robbieanderson227

Жыл бұрын

@@robolyn I will be seeing a chiropractor soon, they’ve always scared me probably because of the noise of the cracks, but relief is relied right? I do yoga and that also helps, also certain stretches help too, going through the pain barrier and getting fitter improves all Round too, thanks for your advice and I will take it up :-)

@robolyn

Жыл бұрын

@@robbieanderson227 that's the beauty of the blair upper cervical technique, no twisting motions or cracking of your neck. It's very gentle and honestly the first trip I didn't "feel" anything move but buddy let me tell you something did. I was probably 50% less pain after the first visit. 4 visits in I was virtually pain free. A regular chiropractor can help a little but I can't stress enough how much more technical the guys that do the blair upper cervical method are. Head and shoulders above and better than a regular chiropractor. Good luck to you

Great Video, I want to thank you great video appreciate

The sham meditation method is also a mindfulness meditation as they still have to be aware of the timing of the breath.

Thanks 🙏

I have been having nerve pain in my neck that radiates to my back , chest and even chin it the most uncomfortable I have ever been and in all honesty meditation WORKS it helps turn the volume down

@emilycarver595

Жыл бұрын

I have this too… I don’t know what caused it???? Any ideas????

Thanx namaste

Maravilhoso

Loved this especially the fake quick solution commercial part 😂 good stuff

Perhaps that's why aromatherapy works to trigger the relaxation response, as he says the sense of smell bypasses the thalymus.

I have a prolapsed lumbar disc for 6 months now and that is bad enough. People worse than this I have big sympathy for. Hope anyone in this situation can find some help.

I got a hernia umbilical repair, ever since then my life has taken a turn for the worse. I’m having intense pain in the groin area, and in other parts of the body. This surgery was a real trauma for me. I feel it will follow me my whole life. I have so much regrets and shame for having made this mistake. There isn’t this backward button. I can’t find it. Sadly and I’d say thankfully I’m not alone as other people are experiencing chronic pain. It’s going to be 1 year since my surgery. 1 year of nightmare, isolation and depression. If anybody out there feels like reaching out, by any means go ahead and do so. Courage everybody hang in there le one day at a time.❤

accept the pain all you want, its still there. you cant stop the signals getting to your brain and influencing you completely subconsciously. i wish my therapist listened when i told her i already tried this, instead of sending me even more videos on mindfulness, it really feels like this is all hopeless... i need something else clearly, but this is all there is i guess...

INSIST that politicians have same healthcare as citizens.

One question, has this guy suffered through periods of prolonged agonizing pain?

@monitiaf5281

4 жыл бұрын

Doesn't sound like it. It's offensive. I've had nurses say try meditation and it feel completely dismissive.

@carolynrombardo4821

4 жыл бұрын

Very doubtfull he ever has

@SuperNewf1

4 жыл бұрын

Obviously not. He has no clue about severe Chronic Pain. His methods might work a bit on mild pain but that is all.

Meditation is the key to the survival of a caring, humane, Human global peaceful unified race/society. The solution is here! Perpetuate the fear and fighting or end the strife and suffering with awareness meditatiom forgiveness kindness mindfullness and compassion. Suffer or evolve! Be blessed with awareness! 🕉🕊🙏 🧘‍♀️🌞🧘‍♂️

Does it work for burning mouth syndrome? Teach me...

I'm starting to get an 'out of work actor' feel from ted talks...

@megansmoot9715

3 жыл бұрын

Ted Talk speakers do receive coaching on how to craft their story, and tell it. Guess that's kinda like an actor would receive similar coaching when learning a role, right? All that aside, I happen to personally know Dr. Zeidan and he's the real deal! His work is so important.

@NirajChandan

3 жыл бұрын

+1

I’m actually really good at mediation. But sometimes I’m in so much pain that all I can do is lay there and moan. Sorry.

@seven7eleven11

3 жыл бұрын

no need to be sorry, thats just reality, when you have really *severe* acute or chronic pain you cant meditate. if the pain is controlled somehow it works a *little* bit, but not much. anyhow, i do it everyday in addition to my other treatment, especially to fall asleep but its respectless and senseless to recommend this to one whos heavily suffering!

Best 👍

I have chronic back pain. Chiropracty, massage and physical therapy - none of that made it go away. MRI showed nothing. What worked? I had bronchitis, and the Dr gave me a tapering dose of prednisone. During that time, my back pain went away. Unfortunately, about 2 weeks after the final dose, the pain came back. What I wonder is why neither Dr. Sarno or his offshoots such as this guy talk about inflammation. The prednisone didn't cure the pain, and probably this mindfulness and self-reflection is key for that, but what I want to know is - Does the mindfulness and self-reflection somehow regulate inflammation? Is that the mechanism? Also, has anyone else reading this post had back pain subside while on prednisone or other anti-inflammatory steroid? BTW, NSAIDs did not have the same or any effect on my back pain. Thanks!

@lindasmith1912

4 жыл бұрын

A lot of things get better temporarily (as the inflammation subsides) with prednisone! But it does not help with the disease itself and the side effects are wretched.

I tell you about meditation happiness of pain yes is when you have so much it do meditation imagination going you so much pain beause your spirit

I want to tell you something that might give you a little hope. First of all, before you freak out on this guy, he's telling the truth. This is news that even pain scientists and neurologists are starting to learn and accept. Look up Central Sensitization, it's the real deal. The idea of meditation and mindfullness sounds like hippie eastern medicine stuff, but it has nothing to do with chakras or any of that. It all comes down to the central nervous system, and autonomic nervous system. Our nervous systems are messed up. Mindfulness can undo that CNS activation. However, it's HARD stuff when you're so used to thinking and feeling a certain way. I want to tell my story about this. I have terrible pelvic pain. 3 different neuromuscular disease in my pelvis. I was also told how "incurable" this is. However, when i got into the mind/body stuff, my pain reduced by about 30%. I can also ride a bike again. It's very hard to convey that all pain originates in the brain, without saying "it's all in your head". Technically, ALL pain comes from the brain, whether it's a wound, or phantom limb pain. It's just how your brain interprets the pain that matters. This is also how placebo works. I would encourage you to read "the great pain deception" by Steve Ozanich. He had the worst of the worst back pain. The MRI's showed all the usual stuff, stenosis, "disc disease" etc. However, when you read the studies about how when they gave a bunch of people in their 40's spinal MRI's, about half had herniated discs. Most people did not have pain in their back. They found out that spinal changes are like gray hairs, we all eventually get them. The mystery is, why do these herniation cause some people severe pain, and zero pain in others? Also, why are injections and surgeries often so temporary, or dont work at all? It's because the nerves and muscles are primarily involved because they're getting incorrect and hyperactive messages from the brain. Like i said, look up Central Sensitization, a legit issue that is involved in most chronic pain.

@LDuke-pc7kq

5 жыл бұрын

30%.... for You, for Your body s specific issue...Should they offer 'mindfulness ' at the ER for burn victims? Or surgeries, hip replacement, car accidents? Do you honestly believe this is an Ethical option for the disabled individuals that have incurable intractable disease pain? It's NOT when there has been a successful model in medicine for thousands of years, titration therapy with morphine for all of these patients. And if there is Still any doubt, please feel free to.... self amputate a limb, Place accelerant on your arm and light it.. proceed to practice 'mindfulness' to relieve your pain, Now you know the joys of CRPS... Or, have someone manually dislocate 30 of your joints, make sure they shift your internal organs to the lightness of a major car accident, rinse and repeat, do this every day... attempt to walk or crawl do your meditation room and practice 'mindfulness' for your pain, Now you know the joys of EDS hypermobility.... Or find concrete screws, drill through hands, feet and through Spine, be sure to Not to attempt removal of these screws carry on about your normal day, go to PT ,practice 'mindfulness' for your pain... Now you know the joys of AS and adhesive arachnoiditis. Enjoy. On a side note no enlightened being with a Buddha nature would ever expect a chronically ill and disabled individual to practice meditation or mindfulness to the level of a monk or for physical suffering, nor deny them medicine that could relieve their suffering in a swift manner, or impose their own individual will onto others health care and needs. Medicine has lost a great deal of respect and Trust From the disabled community because of all the psychology Quacks coming out of the woodwork and the unethical practitioners that deny proper and real care to their needs do you have a quality of life. This will be a time. Remembered in history when medicine regressed 100 years back an ethically sunk to one of the greatest lows breaking the Geneva declaration, human rights and constitutional rights in the US. The Insufferable Movement on Facebook

@nicolemarieb.7044

5 жыл бұрын

L. Duke you are confusing pain from a degenerative or acute condition that involves active inflammation/pain, vs lingering chronic pain linked to an overractive nervous system. Put aside the psychological stuff, and it’s pretty much agreed upon by neurologists that allodynia and central sensitization exist. MRI’s show this. Not all pain is created equal, but we are learning about the brain’s role in CHRONIC pain not related to active inflammation. Ps, i take pain meds still and i continue to fight for pain med rights.

@LDuke-pc7kq

5 жыл бұрын

@@nicolemarieb.7044 , I am confusing nothing at all, the state of hyperalgesia is rare at best, and Still up for debate as to bring a 'true' condition versus phenomenon, centralized nervous system pain caused by Strokes, traumatic brain injury etc or even RSD, CRPS, restless leg syndrome, fibromyalgia fall into the category that you speak of (non lesion / non degenerative caused pain) and Do Not respond to 'meditation' / self hypnosis/ mindfulness /coloring book therapy under clinical study as being a reliable non Placebo response way to control pain nor many other Fringe alternatives being pushed on an already battered weary and vulnerable population that Deserve immediate prompt care and relief from their chronic symptom disease pain. We are Unapologetically Fighting for the Civil, Human Rights, Ethical effective care and proven morphine titration therapy for All chronic, acute, centralized and intractable pain disease patients in the U.S. and for there freedom to pursue what modality works for them with out more 'quacks' like Kolondy or this guy⬆.. starting more dangerous trends that further harm patients and hamper their ability to get the correct , effective and needed care ASAP as All legitimate pain suffers and patients deserve. Take care The Insufferable Movement on Facebook

@nicolemarieb.7044

5 жыл бұрын

CS sadly has no quick fix or cure yet (ketamine might show promise). I can accept that it’s incurable, or at least TRY something that has worked for some people. Meditation doesnt work for me,however, retraining my fear response has dramatically reduced post-activity flares, but i still have baseline pain. If anything, my crippling depression has lifted a lot because i have gotten my activity mostly back. I think the brain-pain stuff needs more research, but i also think it’s criminal to deny pharmaceutical pain relief while we are still figuring things out. Doctors should just be careful not to tell patients they are forever damaged or injured and push surgeries and injections that wont work for CS pain.

@krissieitniearzitka3687

5 жыл бұрын

We are very similar in our thinking! I have suffered from chronic pain all my life starting at birth. All my organs we're on the outside of my body. My spine is also deformed. So stomach pain, spine, hip, groan,neck. Later in life I got bite by a tick and got lyme disease and other tick born infections. I was misdiagnosed for 8 years and during that time the disease ate away at my joints, spine, organs, ect.. lyme love to hide in scars so your immune system cant reach them. I have a very thick 13 inch scar that runs down my stomach so they set up camp.. BUT I looked normal. I have anklyosing spondylitis, fibromyalgia, degenerative disc disease, lyme arthritis, psoriatic arthritis, severe lordosis, gout arthritis, hormone disorder, thyroid disorder.. BUT daily chronic pain that made me bedridden is now about 30/40% easier to handle (not gone) because I started meditating and practicing breathing. I was either gonna die or remain happy even with pain. I choose life :)

How is CRPS different from Allodinia and Central pain syndrome?

@forest_maiden

3 жыл бұрын

It’s a LOT different. I developed CRPS in late 2019 after a surgery. It’s horrendous. Called “the suicide disease” for good reason.

@butterflybeatles

2 жыл бұрын

@@forest_maiden are you cured of it, now?

Where is the research?

A side effect of hypnosis or being in a meditative state is anesthesia. It’s a way to get relief.

@SuperNewf1

4 жыл бұрын

So basically mindfulness is hypnotizing yourself to make yourself believe you don't have pain. LOL! That will not work with severe pain. not at all.

@ForeverMasterless

2 жыл бұрын

@@SuperNewf1 It's not. Mindfulness is when you stop resisting the pain and quiet all the stories you tell yourself about it and just SIT with it, and really lean into it and examine it and be in the present moment, with every breath and with every pulse of pain. There's an immense layer of psychological suffering that sits on top of any physical pain. We can't make the physical pain go away, but we can stop our minds from torturing us about it.

When did pain management clinics start popping up? Should there be a pain management clinic? What are the cause of the patient's pain? Shouldn't a Doctor trained in Medicine be capable of treating pain after all the schooling? What is the reason Medical Schools do not provide training in pain as part of the rotation? Is pain the issue without a diagnosis of the condition? Can pain be a diagnosis in itself? Is pain a tree in the forest? or is pain a forest hidden behind the trees? Where are all the trees?

I too have Fibro am suffering from severe muscle pain throughout my left side since a year and nw am loosing hope in life,I am doing mindfulness 5 mins everyday bt doesnt seem to help, pls suggest me smthn

@SuperNewf1

4 жыл бұрын

Cannabis. It will help relax tight knotted muscles, help you sleep better and help ease the depression that comes with pain.

@calmaeiluminacion9377

2 жыл бұрын

Check the book you are the placebo by Joe Dispenza

You can let doctor treat your chronic pain step by step, but when you have these kind of chronic pain your mind also get tired and need to be care as well. Mediation really helps a lot in term of mindfulness and when your mind get better your body somehow response it as well.

@revolutionunderground

Жыл бұрын

Didn't work for anyone I know with severe chronic pain.

@kissingmyass

Жыл бұрын

@@revolutionunderground It actually does work for many people.I recommend u read The Mindbody prescription by Dr John Sarno.

Bravo! This is an incredible talk - the ideas and delivery of these concepts were done perfectly. Thank you =)

Maha maha maha maha maha maha maha thanx namaste

Aur maha ant thanx

for me everything that is on sell doesnt work

Excellent

Very useful for Buddhist monks who don't have to pay the bills or raise kids.

@laurastuebe1911

2 жыл бұрын

This guy doesn't know anything about monks.

The "sham" version isn't too bad as a meditation, is it? I don't see why the surprise. They probably ended up focusing on the breath even if they were more distracted by thoughts.

@tech_interesante

6 жыл бұрын

darrensurrey I think like you; is still a meditation, the opposite would be to focus in every thought.

The volume level is much too low.

You will notice, in the picture of the young monks giving the blessing to the lady, all the monks are barefoot. They are employing an ancient practice that is totally missed by the meditation researcher(s); the monks are also grounded. Do you have chronic pain? Go barefoot out into your yard, or at the park. Even without the mindfulness you will feel the pain seemingly drain from your body. Add mindfulness and the pain may not return when you are done. Do this for 15 or 20 minutes, check your pain level from 1 to 10 before and after. You will be amazed.

If I can ask a question to experienced meditators: my struggle is that the pain comes from extensive neck damage. There's literally no position I can stand, sit or lay in that doesn't hurt one part of my neck or another. I really need to meditate again because any emotional stress makes it hurt a lot, but it's almost impossible to concentrate when it feels like there's a knife stuck in my neck. Are there any methods for training the mind to meditate despite the pain; maybe suppress, numb or become detached from it?

@calmaeiluminacion9377

2 жыл бұрын

Check the book you are the placebo by Joe Dispenza

@ForeverMasterless

2 жыл бұрын

Since you can't find a position where the pain doesn't distract you, focus ON the pain, instead of on the breath. Place your attention fully on the sensation of it. Over the course of 10, 20, 30 minutes your mental relationship to that pain will change.

I hope I learned something from my pains... "Men who suffer not, attain no perfection. The plant most pruned by the gardeners is that one which, when the summer comes, will have the most beautiful blossoms and the most abundant fruit." ~ Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'i Faith

@butterflybeatles

2 жыл бұрын

So, should we welcome chronic pain so that we may be made perfect?

Maha maha maha maha maha maha maha maha maha maha maha maha maha maha maha maha thanx saara thanx apko hi

hmmmm.. works when you are sleeping? works when you are busy working? can't imagine it working for any long term consistant basiss

You should never stop taking a prescription without first contacting the exact doctor who prescribed it, or their supervisor. Don’t make medical decision based on videos, please consult a licensed physician. I felt that it was imperative that I mention that.

Riggght. So I guess I’ll be meditating “mindfully” 24-7/365. ..🤭🤔🤫

@monitiaf5281

4 жыл бұрын

Same.

It's beside the point of the talk, but worth pointing out, that Buddhist monks don't "walk around like deities," that begging for food (as has traditionally been done in Asia and as is still practiced in some places) isn't stress free, and that many monks work to maintain their monasteries, provide services to those in need, etc. His comments were surprisingly misleading and culturally incompetent.

@SuperNewf1

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah they don't want to give physio therapies, acupuncture, chiropractor, opiates. Just go home and think your pain away. LOL! sick fcks these Dr.s are.

@laurastuebe1911

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with you. His comments about monks were unfounded and not true.

@LDuke-pc7kq

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Buddhist monk would also never expect a person and intractable pain to achieve the level of meditation continuously it takes to relieve even partial amount of that.... That would be seen as radically inhumane, especially when there are medications that easily relieve that pain if they're just prescribed and the government doesn't interfere

@anotheryoutubeaccount5259

2 жыл бұрын

@@SuperNewf1 Because they are unsientifically based.

@SuperNewf1

2 жыл бұрын

@@anotheryoutubeaccount5259 What is unscientifically based?

Not necessarily I went to the drive-through the other day and had to wait in the car park. I was not happy 😂😂😂

The mindfulness studies that show it works are contextual (and always misrepresented), as in, mindfulness marginally helps with very limited painful occurrences. When compared to opioid pain control, mindfulness was found to be "ineffective" at controlling pain (especially moderate to severe chronic pain, and post surgical acute). Opioid pain control was found the most effective overall when studied against everything from mindfulness to yoga to water aerobics to spinal stimulators. Stop the false narrative, and stop the abelist war against pain patients.

I get so pissed off to hear how much chronic pain patients costs society. It's not like I chose to be in in pain. I still work and do my best to get through the day and meditation does nothing. It doesn't work.

@thisisbob1001

5 жыл бұрын

I agree with you

@arubeira

4 жыл бұрын

Pain medication has also been proven to “not work”, but people keep taking it and end up hurting more due to the over-sensitization of the brain. Monica, pain sucks, but remember that it is only a sensation that your brain has to give a quality to. I have dealt with it for 5 years and have been able to largely overcome it by focusing on a healthy diet, good hydration (water), sleep hygiene (I get 7-8 hours per night) and at least 30 minutes per day of aerobic exercise. When function improves, the brain starts to calm down and then the pain starts to improve. It has been a 5 year journey and I’m sure it will probably continue for the rest of my life, but I’m encouraged by the results! Don’t lose faith!

@lindasmith1912

4 жыл бұрын

@@arubeira My God what did you have that you were able to eliminate by food, water, sleep and exercise? Cause I would like to know! I hope it's what I've got! Cause only my pain pills help now.

@sunflowers28

4 жыл бұрын

@@lindasmith1912 Sleep is the first thing to go, when pain starts really kicking up dust!!

@sunflowers28

4 жыл бұрын

@@arubeira Beautiful post! Whatever works for each person!😊 I'm so glad meditation rescued me, but it took five years to see big day to day results💜

Ya maybe for people who have barely any pain

Ya I'd like the results and % of success in a year with 100 chronic pain suffers.

All very well a dr telling you to be mindful when they have no idea

@tcharles8172

3 жыл бұрын

Huh? These are scientific studies. What does your comment mean?

I'm still in pain

We are human,we cant imagine our pain away,we can distract ourselves and ask God who He is,will He plz give us faith so that we know how to meditate( pray and ask help) and ask for strength that is greater than human.

I find by meditating i can reduce the pain by 20% better than nothing.Maybe i need instruction.

@Goblin1986p

2 жыл бұрын

The pain if you have Centralized Sensitization most likely wont go away, it can get improved a bit through neuroplasticity and training your brain to not become alarmed by "danger" signals your body may send. The brain itself is the thing that is interpreting things as pain and most often if its chronic the old injury is long since healed. Research is pointing to using these techniques because its the only thing you can really do is practice practice practice on lots of different calming techniques to start forming new pathways in the brain and help it learn to not interpret every little stimulus that happens around you as a signal that may fire as a pain. Dr. SLetten at mayo has a video where it goes over the condition.

Kind of a slow, confusing, way about to make his point. Which was in the end just be mindful and it will change the emotion attached to ur pain? I feel like he could have given more specific pointers. He drew a comparison to the monks, which was interesting, but yet wasn’t really clear what his point was there.

Perhaps, meditation is a form of a self induced anesthetic?

@sunflowers28

4 жыл бұрын

The solfeggio frequencies are supposed to be like a form of anesthetic (if you believe KZread anyway). Tell you what, I sure would trade my whole tax refund for a decent book on retraining neural pathways. It should be illegal to bring up something that is supposed to be The Ticket, and not clarify. I have been searching for two years now!! 😄

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Hellloooo all I dealing with chronic pain and serious depression and on most I wish it was my last

@SuperNewf1

4 жыл бұрын

Hang in. 40 years of pain for me including an 11 year bout with severe pain. With no treatment. A miracle I am alive. Try to get more sleep, use Cannabis to help with stress and to relax muscles a bit. Helps with the depression too. Be careful of your blood pressure as it can cause a heart attack or stroke from pain.

@Patricia-uu6wo

4 жыл бұрын

@@SuperNewf1 thanks super what is your pain from?

@SuperNewf1

4 жыл бұрын

@@Patricia-uu6wo I was thrown from and dragged and crushed by a small train as we were coming home from work shattered from head to toe literally. Lots of nerve damage including a brain injury. NEVER! treated in 40 yrs for a brain injury and Chronic Pain. Had to learn to heal myself as best i could. Still standing. Workers comp says nothing wrong with me. LOL! The frauds. Paralysis down riht side of back and under my right shoulder blade, left should muscles with nerve damage and wasting away. Ankle crushed with peroneal nerve damage. Lots more. Three herniated disks in lower back, neck broken. Over 150 stitches. I was "Markedly Deformed" when they brought me to hospital. So i suffer pain every day for 40 years in some part of my body.

😮

Suffered for years, 57 yrs old and think it's time to give up on life.

@Goblin1986p

2 жыл бұрын

Dont give up, I just completed Mayo Clinics pain rehab program with 3 people 60+ and myself 35, and another person in their late 20s. I was at the bottom of that deep dark hole all of us with chronic pain were in. Feeling guilt that I wasnt taking care of family, wife, etc. Housebound for the most part, maybe 1 good day in 3, and I would try and do too much on that 1 good day. If any of this sounds familiar, please reach out. This program seriously changed my life. I was very close to ending it all.

This type of "treatment" is TOO OFTEN ABUSED by doctors who DO NOT ACTUALLY TREAT THE PAIN ITSELF. Instead, they recommend this type of stuff. I am now completely against it because of that abuse

I’m here because I’m in crazy pain. Please help!

There's absolutely no reason to say that we need to find non-pharmacologic treatments for those suffering with chronic pain when opioids work so well and so safely for the vast majority of chronic pain patients. As an emergency medicine physician, I take issue with this line of thinking. If people want to utilize mindfulness meditation, that's great but don't tell people that pharmacologic treatments are bad or aren't warranted. Also, the fact that a very small number of people abuse opioids shouldn't prevent their use among patients suffering with chronic pain.

@namelessgrows9419

Жыл бұрын

Hard to read the words “opioids“ and “safe“ in the same sentence

@darm1959

2 ай бұрын

Amen!

Got 3 discus prolapse. Took pain killers, didn't work. I waa meditating before my medical problems, so i am not new to this. Tried this. Did not work. Sorry to disappoint you.

@calmaeiluminacion9377

2 жыл бұрын

Check the book you are the placebo by Joe dispenza

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Sit with a straight back.....err...no.

@monitiaf5281

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah part of my pain comes from having scoliosis so I can't do that anyway.

@SuperNewf1

4 жыл бұрын

@Kira Subliminals Pain takes away your ability to do that. I am talking severe and acute pain. Mindfulness might work on those in mild pain to moderate pain.

This is easy for you to say. You’re not in Chronic Pain 24/7 for 10.5 years. Cram your meditation

@monitiaf5281

4 жыл бұрын

It's very offensive for him to recommend this and talk about how expensive us chronic pain patients are!

@Bill_S872

4 жыл бұрын

@@monitiaf5281 Notice - no reply from Mr. Mindfulness..... It is bull sh*t. I know from experience.

@SuperNewf1

4 жыл бұрын

I recently went trough severe pain for 11 years from 2004 to 2015 . Still trying to get my head straight from that abuse. I never got treated and almost died. Put it this way there are a few doctors I would like to beat from head to toe with a steel pipe and then have them come to me for medical care. LOL!

@SuperNewf1

4 жыл бұрын

Cannabis worked well for me. Lots of it.

@SuperNewf1

4 жыл бұрын

@@monitiaf5281 We are not expensive, they are incompetent.

Obviously he hasn't experienced true chronic pain.

@monitiaf5281

4 жыл бұрын

I agree.

@Rachie-nj3oi

4 жыл бұрын

Ye how are you meant to meditate when it feels like your rib cage is being ripped apart and chest pain feels like a heart attack. Just give me pain relief with no side effects why is that so hard?

@bluejeans1773

4 жыл бұрын

U got that right

@kierenllama3568

2 жыл бұрын

It's one important part of multi-integratiom treatment but I agree its basically useless until the issue is already supported by everything else like necessary pain killers, healing, medication, diet, sleep, physical/posture therapy

@adam-jonevans-cooteakaajx0868

2 жыл бұрын

I have chronic pain disorders and genetic compromises that cause daily pain. I was on high dose opiates for years, they caused so so much damage to my kidneys, my lungs and my liver .... I quit my opiate medications for a tricyclic antidepressant and use meditation and valerian tea ... now I’m in less pain. Opiates work my moving the equilibrium so we don’t feel the pain, the pain is still there and we end up causing damage to especially bones, ligaments and tendons if a musculoskeletal issue and we end up causing more damage to digestive organs, causing more damage to lungs etc as we don’t feel the pain we carry on doing the things we aren’t suppose to do. By feeling pain the pain tells the body that somethings wrong and it shouldn’t be on the position it is, it’s about moving the position not digging a hole and burying yourself and that’s what mass use of long term opiates are doing .. they account for 10% of digestive hospitalisations in the uk each year and cause many many more issues.

This narrative continues to dismiss the severity of chronic pain. Pain is a disease, in and of itself. Pain kills, studies have shown after years of pain, the heart just gives up. Chronic pain patients have no rights, no say in our treatments, our lives are ruined by pain. But we are gaslit, dismissed, abandoned, forgotten. Mindfulness is fine, but mindlefulness while in pain is ineffective. Get us out of pain first by using the best medications...opiates...and then try the mindfulness exercises. You are asking too much of disabled people. You want us gone, because we are a nuisance. Its a huge pandemic made worse by punitive guidelines and BS like this.

@mow_cat

2 ай бұрын

too true :[ you would think we would treat people with such pain more humanely and actually try to understand them better rather than forcing one method and one ideology on all of them as if its going to work for EVERYONE.

Pain mangement not solution Root cause the solution

@lindasmith1912

4 жыл бұрын

Figure out the root to Fibromyalgia, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Lupus, Parkinson's, Lou Garrigs, ect, etc, etc. Until then pain management is the only game going on.

Chronic Pain 100 million Americans Diabetes 25.8 million Americans Coronary Heart Disease (heart attack and chest pain) 16.3 million Americans Stroke 7.0 million Americans Cancer 11.9 million Americans

Th as why they take drugs from wildly they believe you,

Anyone who has severe pain knows this isn't true.

What a joke!!! Apparently you have not a clue what several foraminal narrowings in your cervical spine feels like as the nerve root is crushed. Maybe you should go back to school. Try not to skip kindergarten this time !!

1.5 billion worldwide Buddhist monks text on pain - 2 dorts Mri meditation

@marpeot-Ekim

3 жыл бұрын

Grant et al 2011 Pain . zen and meditation

@marpeot-Ekim

3 жыл бұрын

12:27 sham vs genuine meditation in pain reduction

This does NOT remove or help REAL pain. First of all, you suggest that the subject sit in an erect position. Ha ha ha! When you are crippled with pain, you can't even do that. I appreciate your effort, but "enlightenment" will not help. I put more faith in prayer to God which I do every day just to help me cope.

@Goblin1986p

2 жыл бұрын

I feel you on this. I was in the same boat thinking the same thing. I just finished the pain clinic at Mayo doing exactly these types of things and proper posture and breathing is 100% the way to start to aleviate pain, it just hurts to start out, but do your best, every day just a bit at a time, and I promise it helps immensely. I was housebound, barely talking with family, barely walking, sleeping most of the day away, and even using alcohol or weed to just pass out so I could just get to the next day hoping it would be better. After the Mayo Clinic program (with 2 people in it who were very religious), every single one of us left much happier than before, and optimistic about our lives going forward. I dont know if you are still in pain b ut if you are...you know how big of a deal a moment of hope can be, because they all seemed to just be BS before. Please, you owe it to yourself to try these things.

What a joke and insult.

I call it the microwave generation.