You're not a hater, I feel your enthusiasm and love every time. I prefer fairness and honesty to fanboyism. Given the release date of this video I consider it a birthday present, so thanks :)

@redaizo

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely !

@ericgriffin120

3 жыл бұрын

Oh he's a hater.

@AndrewPRoberts

3 жыл бұрын

@@ericgriffin120 He's just an honest critic

@jamesryanceballos5502

Жыл бұрын

@@ericgriffin120 Did you watch the video? He made detailed criticism in order for it to flourish. It's not hate when you want it to improve.

Loved the conclusion at the end. Thanks, Daniel!

Really love your view and honesty! Thanks for review!

12:18 For a moment, you sounded like you were rapping and it's dope.

Daniel, you are always so thorough, balanced and honest in your reviews. I appreciate it, many others too judging from the comments. Thanks man!

Thanks for this honest review, I'll wait with the purchase :)

Hey Daniel, great honest videos as always...I skipped this one myself for the NSS...should be your next video. Anyway, would you be able to tell me what capture software you use...and how you avoid feedback from the mic? Thanks man.

Hi Daniel, For this reason I respect this boy ... he always says what is there and he does not care if it is spitfire or any other company. If you have some super nice patches but as we have seen in that video you have many problems. thanks friend for that video.

you soooooooooo right Daniel, thanks so much for review

I was ready to buy Abbey Road One but was contemplating and researching more about other options. This guy sold me on it in the first 5 minutes...and right after that unsold me...and then again sold me and now again unsold me...so WTF???!!!

thanks for the vid, Daniel James! , although one question, can you not change the attack and release by clicking the centre of the circle, at least that's how their labs work and I would be shocked if they didn't put those same options in a more expensive library

I've noticed that strange release bug, with the extra note when releasing a note, with the BBCSO as well.

Thanks Daniel. I've been trying to decide if I should pick up Abbey Road ONE or Albion ONE. At this point I think I'm going to go with Albion.

I appreciate your honest look at Abbey Road One. Thank you!

Thanl you for the honest insight and review of this library pack and on spitfire in general! On 57:57 what piano library is that youre using here?

Great review. I was considering it but will certainly wait until they add to bbc so to see if their promises come to fruition. Thanks Daniel.

Thank you Daniel ! In a "dream team" we would have Cinematic Studio making Abbey Road libraries.

I swear I was waiting for you to review this and thought you were busy and won’t. I bought it and was quite underwhelmed. I wish I waited and didn’t spend the introductory $350. Thanks for doing the review anyway. Cheers!

I wish they'd just let Alex record another cinematic studio series in abbey road. There'd be never any need for other libraries.

In regards to the release and fading out (with whole, chordal notes), I always think about how you'd be listening to it if the whole orchestra was performing it live, rather than a realistic sound by individual sections (if that makes sense). When I've been to a performance in a concert hall I can't hear the distinct collective changing of notes of the instruments because the previous note played is still reverberating within the room. In some instances, you might be able to hear it with an individual soloist with a higher dynamic but as a collective orchestra, the notes fade into the other. I find with Spitfire libraries and their programming, the release tail and the realism of the sound resonating in the room disappears when you change notes - giving the "sucking" effect - because they sample long notes individually. It's annoying they don't let the release tail ring out after the note's finished and it's just lazy to assume consumers will "fix it with release and reverb". It's like sitting in a room, having a section play a wonderful note and each time the note changes, you slip on noise-cancelling headphones and take them off when the next note starts. You miss the last few milliseconds of the previous note's room ambience meshing into the new note. It's realistic for an individual section; it's unrealistic for an orchestra in its entirety.

Thanks Daniel I listened to your recommendations regarding other developers and invested in Nucleus Lite instead of Abbey Road One which has been a wise move and saved me a heap of money.I value your thoughts and honesty particularly in these times where money is very tight!

Nashville Scoring Strings has just been released, would love your opinion on that library.

Good vid. Totally feel you on the Forte! Maybe they’ll add flautabdo as an update

Spitfire just needs to start making Reverb packs. They market their rooms more than the library or performances themselves, but the space they're recorded in. We tend to blend libraries, so extra reverbs are generally added to everyone's tracks, so the space is pretty much useless, we need the right performances and shit like that. I'd buy Spitfire Spaces I II III IV V, over Albion XXXIX

@VillemR

3 жыл бұрын

The studios specifically forbid that to preserve the uniqueness of the physical room.

@shu3684

3 жыл бұрын

u can use your own reverb no?

@VillemR

3 жыл бұрын

@@shu3684 you can do what you want, but you can't record impulse responses in those studios

2:21:40 Checking on it 2 years later and you were absolutely correct on everything

Didn't Cinesamples use to have a Piano library that's recorded in Abbey Road? because it would've been amazing if Cinesamples recorded orchestral libraries in Abbey Road.

At that price range, what package sounds better? I've heard a lot of orchestral libraries and I was hoping this would be a nice place to start, being more ensemble oriented? Now I'm not sure what to do.

The glance at the camera at 47:00 is hilarious

Great close-out to the video. It's comforting, I suppose, to see people like Daniel (that is, a professional with significant career experience using this type of software) have some of the same impressions as me, a long-time performer with *highly* limited software/VI experience. I don't really feel incentivized to bother using this in a project instead of anything else I've purchased, despite a few beauties (high woodwind shorts, percussion, trem at lower dynamics).

Definitely proper criticism -- but I thought this was the low or medium product with an advanced/pro product coming out next year?

Nice review!

Pretty sure Spitfire advises people to use the expression, dynamic & volume parameters to create your attack.

@CLdwyer

2 жыл бұрын

Also, I’m pretty sure they crossfade the dynamic layers at a moderately close level. I think you’d need to ride volume down and up to get the effect you’re looking for. You seem to use the mod wheel exclusively for your workflow. At least in this demonstration.

As default the 'Tightness' is dialled up half way, this basically cuts into the attack. So if you lower that to 0 it has slower attack

@saruphim2548

11 ай бұрын

yeah, but we shouldn't have to do that. they should have an attack, release, decay, and sustain knobs built right into the UI as soon as its booted up and not hidden in a or through a "back door.'

I think you find the other artics are coming soon.....if you have the dosh!

Hey Dani .... please take a video , how to mix orchestral music .. Which plugins would you recommend... PLS PLS PLS PLS "PLS PLS PLS PLS TY For EVrithing GOD BLESS U

On the other hand also the PC Specs are important too. On my i9 10900k i can Play about 20 Instances of BBC SO wit almost all Mics On ALL at the same time.

Starting with a shiny new song in Studio One 5 and loading 2 instances of ARO running H/L strings, I'm unable to duplicate the clicks/pops/spikes that you're getting here Daniel and I'm on a flippin' 2014 iMac with 24 gig.

@jmac2050

3 жыл бұрын

Might be a Cubase thing, I had to reset audio drive or choose a different one when it starts acting up

Lol! Daniel you were right about the micro transactions!! lol. I just bought the collection and every aro spitfire selection was priced at $50 a pop. You were 100% spot on!!! and they still skimped on the Legato for the most part. Abbey Road one is $850 for the collection. We NEED and ATTACK, RELEASE, DECAY AND SUSTAIN PATCH FOR ALL OF THEIR LIBRARIES. not having an attack is seriously garbage! they need to take notes from EastWest; at least they gave us those options.

Hey Daniel, please could you say what CPU you have ? Got an 8 core 2008 Mac Pro so my Mac needs an upgrade. Cheers

Hey, Daniel! Can you tell about your PC, what hardware do you use as of November 2020? I'm interested what value of SSD/HDD do you have. Cause I think about the creation of electronic music, epic/trailer music, so, what value of HDD will be enough?

@lahattec

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Rus. I believe Daniel has a mix of SSD and HDD. SSD is much preferred because it is faster to load the samples, and some sample libraries stream from disk. But an HDD at 7200 RPM or better will get the job done in many cases. As for drive size, it doesn't matter as long as it will store all the libraries that you want to have on it.

@altermore

3 жыл бұрын

His PC www.twitch.tv/hybridtwo/about

Wait, did he say that he had the DAW's buffer size set to 2000 (samples)?! Might it be perhaps 200 instead? like 256...Wow, 2000 would create a huge latency.

Are they the same players and room as the iron man 3 soundtrack? What have they done with the horns?

I'm pretty confident that they will release all their legato and separate instruments later. This is a taster I guess.. Looking forward to it. In combination with other libraries, as you said, this is brilliant. Thanks for your review!

Please rip into eric whitacre choir library, also a spitfire thing, and... Well, it's something

May i ask you what is your computer system please ? ( cpu & ram ) as a comparaison

Thanks.

the best remark on their page is that they say the library works wth a I5/ryzen5 processor with 16Gig of RAM,i guess,if it already crackles on your system,wich i guess the specs are a lot higher,then,the lesser system will have their processor explode lol

@almalaga3924

3 жыл бұрын

ive got a dual cpu xeon 6 core with 64gb of ram...and even in my system sometimes with big templates,cracks ....so..looool..

@ronnyb5890

3 жыл бұрын

@@almalaga3924 i have fl studio and studio one,they have their own asio,however,i find that asio4all is still the best,when i use this i dont have crackles or pops,and i only have a ryzen 7 2700 and 64Gb RAM,but looking at the reaction from Daniel,this library is a disaster on its own,buying this simply because it was recorded in abbey road studios is a no-go for a hobbyist like me,maybe if i win the lottery LOL

You really hit the nail on-the-head regarding their strings, even the highly anticipated Hans Zimmer Strings sounded Synthy. I think Spitfire Audio reached their "realistic" sounding peak overall with the Symphonic Strings library despite all the various ones they've done since, which IMO, have frankly come off as unnecessary overkill. And yes, I hear the double-notes bug!

The perc is very nice, though the timpani was a bit thuddy for me. I can't get on with the Spitfire player. I wish they'd release these libraries in Kontakt. These dedicated plug-in libraries aren't ram or CPU efficient unless you're a pro with a maxed out machine. I know they've mentioned there are things you can do in their player that you can't do in Kontakt but the difference seems marginal.

It seems everyone is forgetting that this is a foundational library. It is not a complete library, and there will be additional library packs to follow to add to this library. These will cover all that everyone is complaining is missing and much more. It is basically a module library for each to dd what they want and build up their own personal library. It's a matter of choice. Sadly though I have to agree with your summoning up and I appreciate your honesty. And considering the cost of the libraries, I for one cannot afford to keep on purchasing in order to get a complete library.

@BasariStudios

3 жыл бұрын

Please not another Library...let them fix this one first that IS Broken.

What kind of storage are you using? Maybe could be useful a disk defrag? Or move to SSD, or move to a faster SSD? A lot of people are not experiencing the same problems. I don't think can be only a CPU issue.

@banterbanter

3 жыл бұрын

He's using an SSD - he said so in review.

What’s the 20 week competition that you’re putting on?

Daniel, I wrote a mic merging script. It's not terribly hard, as long as you're willing to get the samples out of Kontakt (resample or resave w/o compression if you can). I use a Surface Book now (as I write 100x faster in StaffPad), but I import to S1 and load up a Sean's mix of AIR that's 100% close, minimal tree per instrument, and takes very little RAM. Full library power, on a laptop, both in StaffPad and out. Love it. Just saying it's possible.

@DJLA

3 жыл бұрын

Please teach Spitfire how to do it!

@greateralexander

3 жыл бұрын

How is spitfire not hiring someone to do this Paul Works in Staffpad!

@seanjackson5527

3 жыл бұрын

Spitfire in SP is $100 = most techniques, tree mics, re-programmed for notation agility... all that work is unlikely to ever see a mic merged version. It's a shame as everyone is saying the SP version is better than in Kontakt. I own both and I agree. Nashville Scoring Strings wouldn't need a mic merge given the room size, if you like the library. Worth saying.

FIRST ONE HERE!!!!! Always appreciate you're reviews! I had a question about what you recommend would be the best processor for a Composing Studio PC? I'm building another one due to the limited performance of my current 6-core CPU PC, I might as well build another one, I'm onto AMD's Threadripper series... I'm not sure though. Thankyou!

@montazownianr1

3 жыл бұрын

I had Threadripper 1920x now I have ryzen 3600 and its better, soon I will buy 5000 series.

All the bugs confirmed!!! As an owner of BBC Pro I struggle to run it smoothly on a beast PC!

@wolfie8748

3 жыл бұрын

I want to buy BBC core , did they fixed legatos and spiccatos ? also what is the problem with running does it take too much ram ?

@ipoponq

3 жыл бұрын

@@wolfie8748 hey, i didn't have any problems with legatos and spicatos. Yes, most of the issues, like incorrect triggering of double toungue techniques and playback are caused by an unoptimized ram usage, i guess. I think you should be ok with a core version, but i would buy pro version if you have less than 64gb of ram. (The issues are especially present when you use more than two mic positions there)

@johnhill762

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, BBC and AR1 are both very buggy.

2:21:32 You were right... you were right about everything

I've inquired about sampling at Abbey and Air and was denied.

Ah the edirol and before that the MT32. Lol. Good assesment, but why not just buy cinematic rooms verb to get the room sound? I'm hearing strange imaging. Not sure if it's the library or other processing.

@DJLA

3 жыл бұрын

Because there is no impulse response of Abbey Road. And thats the key selling point for this.

@tonyr.4778

3 жыл бұрын

@@DJLA I had a similar reaction when I first heard the spitfire demo, "what a great room sound". But helpful to see the shortfalls of their player compared to the kontakt player.

This is why DJ is the only reviewer i listen to.

I like Abbey Road One. But yes, we should've gotten a lot more for the price we paid. Having to purchase over time what should've been included to begin with is sort of nonsense. But I really like this sound, so I'm in for it.

To be the devil's advocate for a sec - did you adjust the settings in the Abbey Road pluging? I reckon your kontakt settings are already optimized, but I know for the BBCSO you need to adjust the buffer settings and whatnot to get optimal performance. (But then again, I don't know if there are any settings in Kontakt that would make it pop and click as much for your system, so it might be a poor argument.)

@jeduardolopezo

3 жыл бұрын

Why would you need to "adjust" the settings on a default patch on a$400 product release in order to work...? Kinda like, hey, have this coffee, you just need to grind the beans, roast them to your taste and we´ll give you the hot water... lol

@kallethunell6486

3 жыл бұрын

@@jeduardolopezo Why? Same reason most people might need to adjust the settings in Kontakt when first buying it. It seems to be a con with these new proprietary plugins, yes, but the whole "holy shit this plugin is laggy and un-usable" could theoretically be more of a "what a bummer, I need to adjust the settings before getting started".

@jeduardolopezo

3 жыл бұрын

@@kallethunell6486 you're absolutely right

@ 1:25 what library is that? From Orchestraltools?

Excellente critique. Je l'ai achetée à la sortie. Cette collection sonne fantastiquement bien mais il est presqu'impossible de jouer avec. C'est triste. J'espère qu'ils corrigeront le tout dans un update, un peu comme ils l'ont fait avec la nouvelle version de BBC Symphony Pro.

Before finishing the first hour of the video, I was about to comment, about the issues - generally with SFA. But you, Daniel, eventually did that, as most of the times I guess. Great work mate. We want more people like you, who have a - let's say, "LOUDER" voice than the rest of us. Nevertheless, here's my comment... "So, Daniel... £299 as intro price and then £399, for one Hall Reverb is a lot isn't it...? And taking to much space in hard drive. Actually, SFA do make great recordings but they are so poor on programming the articulations, especially the legato ones. Somehow, would be nice for them to understand that, investing money on big names to upper their own branding, like BBC, Abbey Road, won't work for their clients. Of course, shopping therapy is a reality even for creative people like us and companies like SFA will survive because of marketing. But that's not the point. If somehow, I was part of that great team of Spitfire Audio and had rivals like Cinematic Studio Series, Nashville Strings by Audio Ollie and the promising VISTA from Performance Samples, I would worry... I would worry a lot!"

Don't wait too long to purchase it though because there will be a new, must have, orchestra that Spitfire are trying to pressure you to buy if you want to succeed by then and this will be forgotten by their development team... Always focused on the new money, not the old support.

I basically wish I could just buy the brass, but for Kontakt.

Great vid, Dan! It’s a good point in regards to companies like Performance Samples and Audio Imperia vs Spitfire. Despite how great their libraries sound, I often imagine how amazing it would be to have say the playability/functionality of something like Con Moto recorded in places like Abbey Road, Air, Sony Stage etc.

How are you controlling the dynamic part while playing with both hands?

@DJLA

3 жыл бұрын

My thumb. (I have a Korg Nano Kontrol 2 just below the keyboard)

@ddespair

3 жыл бұрын

@@DJLA oh, cool! Is there a way to make a foot pedal control the dynamic range? If not, someone should invent that! I have a piano pedal that goes into my Komplete Kontrol A49! Would be cool to be able to use that like the harder I push down the higher the range goes!

Can’t wait for Daniels roast of this one!!!!!!

Ah, Spitfire libraries. Seen one, seen 'em all.

what do you use for the dynamic control ? a pedal?

@LevyCarneiro

3 жыл бұрын

Seems so!

@brorberglund6686

2 жыл бұрын

Faders. I think it’s a Korg nano kontrol, and he has it placed between himself and the keyboard so he’s able to use a free finger or his wrist or whatever in order to move the fader while playing two-handed

That CPU... What's machine do you use Daniel?

@vaiman7777

3 жыл бұрын

2:12:29

@Harrysound

2 жыл бұрын

@@vaiman7777 oh wow. I was thinking “I’ll be alright on my late 2012 i7 iMac with 32 gig ram, I mean I don’t have a problem with anything else” this is a deal breaker. Would absolutely love to see how this performs on an M1 processor as spitfire actually recommend it.

Use two computers , one as your sound module of your VSTI s. And the other as your player recorder

@DJLA

3 жыл бұрын

No 😂

OK so basically it's the free orchestra from Project Sam, but less content, more bugs and it costs 350 quid?

I don't think you're a hater. Spitfire desperately needs to stop churning out half-baked libraries, relying on the studio or artist's name like Hans Zimmer or Abbey Road, and instead focus on improving the issues that continuously plague them rather then moving onto the next library in a hurry. No other software company I can think of releases libraries as often as Spitfire and there's only so many orchestral libraries you actually need. You don't see Orchestral Tools releasing libraries anywhere near as frequently as they do, but it's always impressive when they are released because they really take their time with them. Spitfire needs to start focusing on quality versus quantity.

@27:00 it's the same way they missed that violin 2 spiccato in the BBC sounds busted...LOL I have a ticket out on that one.

@MiloMcCarthyMusic

3 жыл бұрын

Same with solo cello Bartok pizzicato from BBCSO

@jaketanner109

3 жыл бұрын

@@MiloMcCarthyMusic will need to check this

@MiloMcCarthyMusic

3 жыл бұрын

@@jaketanner109 might actually be solo violin

@jaketanner109

3 жыл бұрын

@@MiloMcCarthyMusic yeah, I didn't really like any of them...checked yesterday I don't use it often, certainly not as a solo, but perhaps the ensemble patches are better. This is actually one patch that might be easily swapped without much issues if need be.

Spitfire recently has been really slacking with their big budget releases... This is another example. I get the problems with hans zimmer strings too but at least that to me was unique and dealt relatively well... this isn't :/

Every time I criticize the spitfire player people hate on me. Glad a pro is on my side.

@johnhill762

2 жыл бұрын

No, the player is bad. Objectively, bad. There are much better players out there for sure. And worse ones too, though. Just gotta put up with it until it's fixed, I guess.

1:21:38 REALLY nice, man :-)

2:22:14 I’m quoting you because you’re right

I like it... but not enough to buy it. Like saying “It’s cool, but I’ll pass...” 😁

Well, anyone with Abey road one need a mac pro maxed out then. ok.

Albion one is their best deal till this day... imo

If I had known that you would check out the new Spitfire Library in this stream, I would not have played "Hunt - Showdown" for six hours straight with my friends while you were streaming :/

Spitfire HYPE as usual, I absolutely love my Nucleus, can’t wait to get Areia to compliment it, Audio Imperia are ace.

@Fabi-es1xy

3 жыл бұрын

I'll get me jaeger at black friday sale :)

@NeverduskX

3 жыл бұрын

I'm still stuck deciding between Nucleus, BBCSO: Core, and Abbey Road.

@Fabi-es1xy

3 жыл бұрын

@@NeverduskX abbey road ist the newest, but it may ot be the best I am not sure

@kevroberts8147

3 жыл бұрын

I think my ideal setup would be Nucleus, Jaeger, Areia, and Metropolis Ark 1, that should cover all my needs.

@Fabi-es1xy

3 жыл бұрын

@@kevroberts8147 that's a fckn lot of money xD

The Spitfire player seems still not ready for prime time. Also, the lack of legato is so disappointing.

@johnhill762

2 жыл бұрын

Spitfire player is bad for sure

Looks like Spitfire going EA's path with DLC's

I have a hunch that AbbeyRoad One Pro is being worked on.... For the articulations you get, I think it is worth the money. However, with the CPU usage, the sample start point inconsistency , the dynamic and round robin differences isn't acceptable. This is the whole reason why I won't buy a single library from 8Dio anymore. Even a $300 knocked down to $48 library isn't worth the money because it isn't really usable.

The trems are amazing. But I dont like the spitfire engine so I'll stay away from these until they update the design and functionality. Abby Road seems like a really expensive reverb for other libraries.

Spitfire is the only one who got into Abbey Road? No competition...? That's socialism

@elliespohr

3 жыл бұрын

Actually, it's late stage capitalism.

@johnhill762

2 жыл бұрын

@@elliespohr Yeah, even when capitalism does have competition, it starts to actually harm to then consumer rather than help them. (One company will make a product with great x features and poor y features, while another company will make a product with great y features and poor x features, and neither will be willing to share those features for the sake of superior products for consumers - a product that has both the great x and y features). Sometimes, cooperation and planning nets a much bigger benefit for the consumer. I mean, lets not even get into monopolies...

Too many problems with this library: first of all there's not that much content (especially legato miss is not acceptable), but especially Spitfire engine is not as professional as the orchestra they sampled requires.

2:18:30 right there! Underwhelming Library. Sptifire presents itself like it's the greatest but this shows an immense lack of quality.

It's all about making money and not the sound..

Punters will not be able, nor care, whether the orchestra is real, sampled, or a synthesiser! Only nerds like you and me can pick holes. Whatever you make it sound truly great!!

Spitfire is one of the most overrated sample companies ever. Great marketing, great visuals, average products on the whole.

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@nunativs

3 жыл бұрын

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