Some ppl need to realize that idols are humans and humans have lungs.

@laviyashinee_1639

3 жыл бұрын

Ikr

@nonsense4288

3 жыл бұрын

pEriOdt.

@minaspengu7494

3 жыл бұрын

knets pretend to hear

@astrangerontheinternet1719

3 жыл бұрын

And voiceboxes

@strangeannie5160

3 жыл бұрын

Except eminen

The only problem is the fans that can’t accept their idols flaws..Its not like they’re not talented. Its just your expectations that are too much

@shishi3549

3 жыл бұрын

Yeh

@danacharellelacuesta4775

3 жыл бұрын

Yeahhhh

@eli------------------0001

3 жыл бұрын

i think the actors set them high with their fixed recorded songs, they impressed us in that voice, we also expect to hear that voice live.. they were recognized in that voice anywaysssss

@mariaaayayay6468

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with u. Fans now adays think that their idols were some kind of God to be perfect. They couldn't accept that their idols have their flaws too

@AwalAhmadFadhillah

3 жыл бұрын

This, I really hates fans shouting idols and their companies to respect idols own choices and private lives (dating, mistakes, etc), yet all these complicated things surrounding idols appear due to fans demands.

In produce48 a mentor pointed out that during the foreign language performance recording task many Korean trainees simply gave up singing in order to focus on dancing, whilst the Japanese trainees from AKB48 insisted to sing while dancing even if they're making mistakes and the performance isn't gonna be perfect. I remember haters and some extreme kpop fans criticizing Japanese idols and trainees for imperfect performances, but the truth is that in the jpop industry, almost every performer were required to sing lives even when they're dancing with little to no autotunes, even if it means there's gonna be flaws and imperfections, they still embrace it; whilst in the kpop industry, the pursue of perfection has now gone wayyyyy too extreme, many shows and programs prefer pre recordings and autotunes to make the performance look perfect.

@sanika4150

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, it was a really nice gesture by the j trainees. They still did so well

@amanhaniftambu3319

2 жыл бұрын

Seems to be the reason twice sings live most of the time in Japan

@shlimey04

2 жыл бұрын

@@amanhaniftambu3319 and the reason they don't sing live that much

@hiyuraono

2 жыл бұрын

BoA once said she had to sing live when she went to Japan, which was a norm in South Korea. After that, she started vocal training while running. >> kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZWqFktaoeJzVoc4.html

@amanhaniftambu3319

2 жыл бұрын

@@shlimey04 twice have never lipsynced in their concerts and never will they have more than 20 live stages that are with live vocals if onces are fine with letting the girls rest as they have 5- 6 comebacks each year if twice sings everything live they'll damage their vocal cords twice released the most songs in 2021with a whopping 36 songs and none of them were a skip and that says a lot about them

Solar’s real voice is so much better than what tv show edited. That prove she is really an amazing singer

@katavittinger4155

2 жыл бұрын

Agree

@iamsokyut

2 жыл бұрын

i was there at kcon la back in 2019 and she was really good when she sang speechless. we were literally speechless after her performance. seriously, were all shouting because she really did an amazing job. was one of the highlights of that night.

@somethingthatexists4797

Жыл бұрын

100% agree! !! I wish they’d just leave her vocals alone

Remember that just because a group has prerecorded performances doesn't mean they are worse singers. The industry is obsessed with perfection over authenticity

@user-pj3on8jy6n

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, so many people in the comments are dismissing their talent just bc their company wants them to sound “perfect” it’s something they can’t control.

@denzcromacky8013

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

@ingridjimenez5622

3 жыл бұрын

I turned it to 1k 😃

@mayankbodepudi5524

3 жыл бұрын

Fans prefer authenticity more, right. That's why people feel a sense of betrayal. It's not fair for the fans when autotune is used when they themselves say it's 'live'. Personally I don't really bother about autotune. But trying to fool is also not right on their part. But are these incidents shown in this video true? Or assumptions?

@abimon76

3 жыл бұрын

@@mayankbodepudi5524 Would you rather blame the industry for being obsessed with perfection, or blame the artists who have absolutely no say in how their video is taken and manipulated for "fooling" the fans?

These music shows should normalize breathing, panting and unstable vocals while dancing. Man, I wouldn't even be able to talk if I moved like them 👁👄👁

@mineyoo1999

3 жыл бұрын

It’s different. While doing performance it’s well known that they’re not really doing live performance but either doubling/pre-recording so I guess it doesn’t count (especially because KPop dances nowadays are more energetic compared to a decade ago). But I’m utterly annoyed at how they still try to smooth out “real” live singing where it’s supposed to show raw talent like what’s there to hide?

@hanifaharfiatulhaq9617

3 жыл бұрын

@@mineyoo1999 exactly.

@RougeLino

3 жыл бұрын

it use to be the case (or more than now) until the 3rd gen

@user-gj3ph7zd5x

3 жыл бұрын

you mean normalize it again, cause when the 2nd gen was active there was no backup vocals.... at least that was the case of SNSD and 2NE1 idk about other groups

@mikanchan322

3 жыл бұрын

That, or more people should know and be aware of the use of live correction and backtracks. With some dances it is literally impossible to sing certain passages- I think it should be fine to use backtracks. The problem is music shows pretending that it is live.

I’ve noticed kpop companies are training idols a lot less vocally in recent years. And training periods in general have gotten shorter meaning less time for trainees to work on singing while dancing. So to combat this, companies take shortcuts through autotuning and lip syncing.

@K_RRK

2 жыл бұрын

I feel the reasoning should be the other way arround. As Autotuning and lip syncing are available at their disposal, companies are decreasing the emphasis on vocals of their trainies.

@Cademslibrary

2 жыл бұрын

Yes and this leaves us with idols who get bashed by ppl bc they can’t sing live or bc they’re scared to bc they weren’t trained either properly or enough bc one thing I see these days is companies and even on those survival shows they only care about the visuals and dance and the singers tend to be the least popular among both ppl and couches and then we get ofc good idols with talent but the noses that were much more deserving of the spot are left behind bc they’re not popular nor pretty enough…

@HKim0072

2 жыл бұрын

They realized in the early 2010s that vocal ability and selling music isn't correlated. I'm pretty sure there is little touch up in this video. The weakest singers became the most popular group. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ial-w5SKc9fZhtY.html

@nm9688

2 жыл бұрын

@@K_RRK plus in covid times there are fewer live audiences

@notwerkinginthishouse8634

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cademslibrary I would rather listen to perfect vocals while hyping with the audience bc i noticed some idols are very good at it instead of seeing them uninterested with lipsyncing

This is why the "Cater 2 U" cover of SNSD is one of my favorite live. It's one of the rare raw singing. Taeyeon is given. Tiffany excels in her low registers. But Seohyun is a very underrated singer. Stable voice, sharp ears, and harmonization. A good recipe for live performances.

@evestar775

2 жыл бұрын

FR, there's always a vibe in it that sounds so natural. I mean I never doubt SNSD singing abilities since I have seen them sang a lot esp during their rookie era.

@Justme-lf5oj

Жыл бұрын

I remember i looping Taetiseo clip in sketchbook a loooot back in the days. Always a crazy fans of Taeyeon voice but Seohyun and Tiffany voice here are eargasm too.

@AB-cp5fn

8 ай бұрын

Seohyun is great, as good as Taeyeon for me.

Not gonna lie, hearing the live with breaths and pauses just sound better honestly..

@mars_06

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it sounds more human if that makes sense

@christellesomera6267

3 жыл бұрын

ikr

@radioactivepi734

3 жыл бұрын

It feels more realistic and therefore more expressive

@jchongO2l1

3 жыл бұрын

They actually have live MR. Like they have backtracks that sounds live because of the breathing.

@AlpacaPiola

3 жыл бұрын

SAME

People commenting "this is why X group/singer is best" completely missed the point of the video

@anayakhan2208

3 жыл бұрын

I know people need to stop obsessing over this

@ILoveLLawlietxD

3 жыл бұрын

They really think their faves are free of this shit, I don't think they even watched more than the title of the video😭

@andiuptown1711

3 жыл бұрын

*Literally!*

@il.u.vgojosatoru6516

3 жыл бұрын

The reality is that there is no idol who haven't had a bad day and their fans try to deny that because they see them as gods and not as humans.

@ItGirlCaliiopx

3 жыл бұрын

Cmon girl just say moomoos

Okay but eunji??? Omg are y’all blind? I never see anyone mentioning her, the girl is literally one of the most impeccable singers in kpop industry and she deserves more appreciation

@roter13

2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't it be deaf?

@ongakira

2 жыл бұрын

we’re blind ??

@fernandavvll

2 жыл бұрын

@@ongakira you got it

@fernandavvll

2 жыл бұрын

@@roter13 😅😅😅

@fifi7367

2 жыл бұрын

She is actually very known and popular as 2nd gen ended and 3rd gen starting. But, since now kpop idol standard is their face many people forget about her.

me being like: "how's everyone saying Rose laying on the ground and being carried around and not hearing her voice change is live?"

@alinecarvalho5837

2 жыл бұрын

but her fans wanted to kill me when I said that

@jenstan7078

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickithomas5894 "they sing without backup vocals" LMAOOOOO god ur so delulu

@notwerkinginthishouse8634

2 жыл бұрын

@@jenstan7078 Those people really need to know that idols use prerecorded stuff

@user-fo2bs2eu3q

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickithomas5894 Imao

@hexawira7134

2 жыл бұрын

That's not necessarily mean rosé is bad singer or smth lol. Did you even watch the video? It's the tv broadcast who decide to put "fake kpop live autotune" in her performance. We don't know if she's actually sing live or not. It's not her fault

Ok but they aren’t bad without auto tune omg. They really need to stop giving idols this perfect flawless image.

@christellesomera6267

3 жыл бұрын

ikr.. they're good enough live.. but shows obsessing on perfection is a thing.. you think you can move like that without catching a breath? they should normalize it cause it's a normal thing

@ryna8168

3 жыл бұрын

UP

@shinichikudoz

3 жыл бұрын

Newbies kpop fans when they first saw kpop groups sing and dance...they like woah how they do that meanwhile vets kpop fans just laughing looking at newbies kpop fans 🤣🤣🤣

@menahelsultan3389

3 жыл бұрын

@@shinichikudoz ??

@yrnseventh

3 жыл бұрын

That perfect flawless image is what they are offered to the fans. That's what "idol" means. Fans only demand what they are offered to them. 🤷🏾‍♂️

Even solar hates the editing, which is why she sings full songs on her KZread channels

@hellohello.123

3 жыл бұрын

Yea

@hellohello.123

3 жыл бұрын

Solar is the best

@hellohello.123

3 жыл бұрын

@Chuuberry yes

@theexplosionofnature143

3 жыл бұрын

I am subbed to her

@theexplosionofnature143

3 жыл бұрын

I'm happy

Solar, wheein, moonbyul, hwasa have amazing vocal and harmony. Why don't they trust her to sing it raw. And I love the trio of Taeyeon, Tiffany, and Seohyun, they've and amazing and strong vocal too. No need to use autotune

as an old kpop fan it's easy to tell when perfs are pre-recorded because it sounds nothing like when singing live was the norm in kpop 10+ years ago. but trying to explain this to new fans who insist their favs are always singing live is near impossible but this vid showed/reminded me that there's plenty of tricks tv shows can use even if the mics are on during the performance. there's a big middle ground between "fully lipsynced" and "full raw live" and you can never really trust what you hear lol even "live" performances in kpop these days are usually sung over a loud backtrack and they clearly fade in and out, letting the backtrack handle any difficult note. for the record i dont think there's anything wrong with this, kpop is way more dance and performance focused than it used to be. I'd rather they leave singing live to ballads and chill songs where they can sit or stand still

@mocatastix

2 жыл бұрын

This!

@nurulshuhaida9597

2 жыл бұрын

fact this is why i left kpop industry and too many new faces but only beautiful face and voice i dont think they has good voive.

@CJKpoprox

Жыл бұрын

Same, as a 2nd gen kpop fan, its easy to tell which perfs are pre-recorded. Back then, many idols still do their best to sing live, and most CAN and DO sing live with those hardcore dances (e.g. Infinite, TVXQ), now it really feels like no effort is put into doing that save for a few groups.

@CJKpoprox

Жыл бұрын

@@nurulshuhaida9597 Same, it is also the reason why i quit kpop after the 3rd gen... visuals can only get you so far, and after seeing so many good visuals over the years, i got numb to it so visuals alone don't attract me. And once i noticed how many new releases sound more and more alike each other due to autotune, there's really nothing new to keep me in anymore. You know how people joke that kpop idols look similar to one another, well for me, it's more of how kpop idols sound like one another lol. At least in 2nd gen, each group had a special sonic identity because their vocals were more unique , no matter good or bad vocals. Now, it's mainly bad vocals autotuned to the same sound :/ These days, the only kpop artiste whom i still follow is IU. She sounds way better live, especially at her concerts, everything is live, be it the band or background vocals. Was a pleasure attending her concert in person back in 2019 :)

people literally cant sing without breathing its like singers arent allowed to have lungs thats like athletes not being able to have limbs its ACTUALLY absurd and borderline comedic

@lhjcm_535

3 жыл бұрын

IKR! LIKE THEY ARE PEOPLE TOO! Sooo i have been seeing that some artist use like a airy-kind pf taechnuiqe, so they dont loose air. (Sorry for my bad spelling

@bryanpuerto6712

3 жыл бұрын

because they were not considered as human they are just a product that should look and sound flawless in every angle! sad reality!

@mnvh888

3 жыл бұрын

But the fact that western artist can sing live almost 100% of the time just makes me wonder why cant koreans do it too

@bryanpuerto6712

3 жыл бұрын

@@mnvh888 its not that they cant do they just want thier product to look good and sound good whatever it takes! i believe they also have capable singers they just cant show it because if they will hear yoir breathing in post editing it will be removed. everything should be clean.. lol. thats just how their music industry works.. they dont trust their own singers capability!

@ngaptrongdeadline3393

3 жыл бұрын

@@mnvh888 well it's actually because Kpop songs have dance choreo which makes idols harder to sings live, while infact they can sing live really good , even for Twice. They got so much hate just because JYP totally overlook their range and potential, they can't even sing most their songs live and i hate it

I knew masked singer wasn’t 100% real,, it was too perfect

@Levi-bn2xp

3 жыл бұрын

For a tv show I always know they auto tuned it so I don't really care and have no expectation. But if I go to concert, of course I want a live performance.

@lme918

3 жыл бұрын

that makes understandable why someone wins the battle. But some people like "it's not fair, he was so good". Dude, you didn't hear how he really sung. When audience were there that was more interesting after is not counting cause panelists really overreact and not always do justice.

@daielesign

3 жыл бұрын

great profile picture 💔😩

@denalv3070

3 жыл бұрын

@@Levi-bn2xp I agree, with tv you just can't have any expectations, but with a concert if it's not live then that's really not worth the money, because you can just listen to the audio on spotify(or through other means).

@abangkhuzaimyzharief8599

3 жыл бұрын

But their singing still good

I'm already in love with Solar's voice but after hearing the fan cam of speechless it felt so heavenly 🥺❤️ She doesn't need any backtrack or auto tune her voice is already perfect ❤️

Solar's voice is just big, loud and powerful that it will always be a fight aginst backtrack.

Solar overpowering backtracks is always a mood.

@moonchild1856

3 жыл бұрын

IstG

@lokiiiyou6275

3 жыл бұрын

YAZSZZZZ GURL

@b.a.pforever8314

3 жыл бұрын

yasss

@yunqi9835

3 жыл бұрын

The way that they openly admitted whenever they lip synced says so much

@ne_etb

3 жыл бұрын

@@yunqi9835 they can't even lipsync , that's why they always insist on singing live. Queens indeed.

Theres a reason Taeyeon, Tiffany, MAMAMOO and IU have been at the top for so long. Nothing beats the real thing. Natural voices aren't manmade. Autotune makes everything sound the same and boring. So many singers in kpop songs sound identical because recording studios all use the same software. You can make plastic look pretty close to real diamond, but at it's core it's a cheap synthetic material that won't stand time.

@candyuaena

3 жыл бұрын

TRUEEEE

@farzanaislameva2328

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@hwasasthighs1411

3 жыл бұрын

I can't even identify who's who in some groups

@ADeeSHUPA

3 жыл бұрын

@@candyuaena uP

@neonlights8642

3 жыл бұрын

Mmm vocal queens indeed, snsd and iu set the standard

I'll never get over Solar's voice. All of the MMM voices, actually. Seriously, no one should try to touch them up. Even if they miss a little, it makes their performence better--and they hit 99% of their notes anyway, so why bother?! Also 100% agreed on Ladida. All y'all sleeping on Everglow. Pfff. I do like that some music shows allow the winners to just rock with their mics int he after performance. Recent Thunderous performances by Stray Kids are a good example.

I was AT Kcon LA 2019 when Solar gave that performance of Speechless. It freaking rocked. The fact that they went back and decided to 'fix' it ... it honestly leaves me... Speechless.

@iamsokyut

2 жыл бұрын

was there too and it gave me goosebumps. the dude sitting next to me was a solar stan and he just can't stop yelling. well, who can blame him. that was one of the highlights of the night. i remember that dude telling me after solar's performance, that is why i stan her. hard not to agree.

Ironically Sm singers are one of the best at lip-syncing but then again most are the best in live singing as well *Edit : warning there's a pressed, idiot ratmy (unwanted pest who call themselves army ) in the reply section who claims sm singers suck and bts are gods

@poprocksstrawberrybubblegu9384

3 жыл бұрын

😎

@yerimloves

3 жыл бұрын

😊

@loveallkpop6822

3 жыл бұрын

Pfft yes

@ariasama1468

3 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah hahahaha

@livia6408

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao true

I don’t mind autotune for prerecorded shows because they have to do several run throughs and it would strain their vocals, but if I pay money to go to a concert or show I’d expect them to sing at least half the show live. It’s just common sense.

@ngaptrongdeadline3393

3 жыл бұрын

Ye you can watch Twicelight . People complaining Twice can't sing live and always use lipsyncing . But in their own tour , they always sing their heart out because they don't have to deal with all those haters bullshit

@riosx9916

3 жыл бұрын

I've gone to two Kpop concerts, one of BTS and one of SuperM. Both groups sang live the whole show, I don't think K-Pop artists lipsync in concerts.

@haennie8197

3 жыл бұрын

@@riosx9916 superm lipsyncs most of their songs with a lot of dancing, which is SM’s call. That’s why they had the mishap when the audio went off in London

@riosx9916

3 жыл бұрын

@@haennie8197 well yeah, they lipsynced a lot of Jopping and No Manners, but most of the show was live, I could hear them breath make mistakes when singing

@haennie8197

3 жыл бұрын

@@riosx9916 the crew made the backing track way louder than their voices so it was hard to tell for me in a lot of my videos. and even if it wasn’t live I’m sure it was a prerecorded live audio

i'm proud that cater 2 u wasn't autotuned. tts and the whole snsd, (well, including mamamoo) has the best vocals!!!

The TTS cover of Cater 2 U, Taeyeon's Rain when she was sick but still performed so well and SNSD's Goodbye are performances by SNSD in sketchbook that proved how these girls made it through talent (along with personalities and visuals).. They just dont sing (just to show the point of live singing) but they know how to sing with technique and class. I miss SNSD in sketchbook.

People don’t realize that it’s almost impossible to have a complicated dance while singing live unless they have voice control training

@IFLIGHT

3 жыл бұрын

2ne1 was great with that.. singing and with dance omg yes

@Agnaldo_sju

3 жыл бұрын

@@IFLIGHT But they coreography is easy... but they sing very well

@IFLIGHT

3 жыл бұрын

@@Agnaldo_sju That’s true, but they were really awesome stage presentation were high and etc

@Agnaldo_sju

3 жыл бұрын

@@IFLIGHT yes!

@sean_underneath

3 жыл бұрын

That's not something like 'voice control training' can help.... Human is just physically impossible to do a chest pop + jump while singing like nothing.... You might have superpowers or smth if you can do that

I get more annoyed when bands can't do live music at music shows

@andiuptown1711

3 жыл бұрын

Yea even the bands hate it themselves, but because so many groups need to use the stage, it would take to long to actually set everything up to play and then take it down

@noraebang_

3 жыл бұрын

Bruh then there's no point in this 😭

@slendercnpsucks.gocryabout3984

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah,I can understand a group who dance and sing at the same time. Or maybe some of this bands has a reasona about it why they dont sing live.

@sabrinanurazizah6282

3 жыл бұрын

@@slendercnpsucks.gocryabout3984 yup, the reason is the music sows it self

@johnlouiealova8150

3 жыл бұрын

It's not the band that annoys you. It's your expectation.😂

This is why ITZY is at the top of my list when it comes to live performances especially in the 4th gen. Aside from their comeback stages, their recent performances during Gayos and Award Shows prove that you can give them a hard choreo but they will eat it while singing LIVE. I just love watching them because it seems like a lot of 4th gen groups are comfortable with MRs and lipsynching. It’s not about the difficulty of the choreography, but the technique you use and your confidence in delivering your songs. So kudos to them! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 I don’t know a better 4th gen girl group than them, truly an ace in this industry. Also, special mention to STAYC! They’re also a league of their own. I can’t help but watch their videos or tune in whenever I see them on music shows and other shows. In a world full of lipsynching, they’re singing live! Can’t wait to see them flourish even more.

@ashketchum302

2 жыл бұрын

Their songs are not that hard to sing compared to other 4th gen groups that serve vocals.

@paupauu16xiao

2 жыл бұрын

@@ashketchum302 fair enough but the complexity of the song means nothing if they can’t perform it live 😬 dancing even with an easy song to sing is hard if you don’t have the proper technique.

@marylizz6992

2 жыл бұрын

Purple kiss quite good too

@suranjanadutta1840

2 жыл бұрын

@@ashketchum302 Itzy's choreography is quite hard and at least they try to put up a good performance with vocals.

@thespankmyfrank

2 жыл бұрын

@@ashketchum302 Honestly, if other groups' songs are too hard to sing live, they're not the right songs for said groups. Itzy has their own vibe and right sound for them, and they can do it with hard choreo. That just means it's the perfect songs for them.

Everyone knows that the vocals on "King of Masked Singer" are tweaked a lot. All of these singers suddenly sound amazing on that show when they mostly sound ok everywhere else.

Don't blame the artists. Blame the music show/program that did them dirty.

@shaneeekpop

3 жыл бұрын

@@anshgala4020 bish thought i said this was a joke lel. read my comment again.

@hurfhimself1426

3 жыл бұрын

@@anshgala4020 of course she’s in the group for her dancing, that’s why she’s a main dancer and not a main vocalist? This is news to no one

@pandabanda2156

3 жыл бұрын

@@anshgala4020 she can if she could her real voice just accept that u r the biggest joke here

@anshgala4020

3 жыл бұрын

@@pandabanda2156 just watch any of twice's win ceremony.

@pandabanda2156

3 жыл бұрын

@@anshgala4020 i smell jealousy

Most of the raw footage actually sounds so good

@chappyllama4445

3 жыл бұрын

Yup

@hyunjin480

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah

@yhomiekheinthpatayan7323

2 жыл бұрын

true..i think its because using mobile phone on live is different than using professional or devices or cameras for studio..

@somebody00able

2 жыл бұрын

I agreed..

@samanthakim5035

2 жыл бұрын

True

When talking about TTS specifically I know that a lot of the attention is catered to Taeyeon and Tiffany, but I think it’s time to start appreciating Seohyun too. Not only is she a superb vocalist, but she acts like the glue in both SNSD and TTS as her harmonies quite literally guide her members, and honestly I think her role is extremely vital to the group. Just wanted to throw out some Seohyun appreciation out there as she’s my bias and she deserves every bit of love for her amazing singing voice :)

@syalalasyalalala686

2 жыл бұрын

Cater 2 U shows their vocals really well. Three of them have really really really nice harmony that actually been showed by not only them, but all 9 of Girls generation members but we tend to miss out.

@natashabelus4072

2 жыл бұрын

Seohyun is my Bias.

@chestermeoww

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this honestly T_T Some of my friends didn't like Seohyun being in TTS because they think she stole Jessica's place, but they overlook how talented she is and how cohesive she makes their performances

@linacaromina

Жыл бұрын

She is also my bias I love everything about her and her voice...

This is why I'm obsessed with groups like Mamamoo, Stray Kids or BTOB, they're kings and queens of live performance

The clip of Solar’s battle against the backtrack music had me sending. They really underestimated her- or they’re just hard perfectionists 😭😆😆

@heeheehaheho5649

2 жыл бұрын

😭😭😭 the irony, since she was singing Speechless

@jungkook_bunnyz1769

2 жыл бұрын

Time stamp

@tenmoo4009

2 жыл бұрын

@@jungkook_bunnyz1769 6:45

@louieya9190

2 жыл бұрын

The media operators in korea are kinda sad ToT

@inchw0rm

2 жыл бұрын

fr that double voice effect that loud backtracks cause is sooo annoying like how do they think that sounds better?!

HOW DARE THEY RETOUCH SOLAR AMAZING PREFORMANCE(?!

@JS-wj1cs

3 жыл бұрын

You can say she’s speechless

@sausageroll1106

3 жыл бұрын

J S lol

@alexandrateixeiraf

3 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY LIKE ((??

@biad3064

3 жыл бұрын

like always😭

@annejenethabellar5133

3 жыл бұрын

How dare them!!!

its rare for idols to actually sing live imo. its easy to mess up no matter how good of a singer u are, and their company wouldnt want that image for their groups

@SapiaNt0mata

2 жыл бұрын

"its rare for idols to actually sing live imo" yes, but not for the reason you said. now they focus more into dancing instead of vocals so they use autotune and lipsync to cover the mehhhhh vocals. watch Wheein - Ohoo special. she sing live without holding a microphone and yet she sounds amazing. do you know who's not afraid to sing live? a singer with talent

and now... there's STAYC who consistently do live singing with minimal to zero backtrack or autotune while dancing around and still stable af. :))

@planetambience8462

2 жыл бұрын

Another thing I like about stayc’s live performances is that you can clearly hear when the backtrack kicks in so you really know they’re singing live for most if not all of it

backtrack: Imma just be louder to be annoying Solar: Hold my mic

@marynicoledelosreyesjutba6615

3 жыл бұрын

While wearing this 👑

@denairasama

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao she can pierce wheein's eardrums with her scream in those clipped vids

@shirleyalfonso5547

3 жыл бұрын

@@denairasama Bruhhhhh🤣🤣🤣

@hanifapril

3 жыл бұрын

YG stan crying reading this comment

i am so cringe at ppl hyping “mr removed” when it is so obviously pre recorded and heavily auto tuned like girl... did u rly think this is how ppl sound while dancing intense choreo?? i-

@stanhighqualityidols1551

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/gKeD18iyfaebpLQ.html True mr removed

@sandraadinda1996

3 жыл бұрын

Ikr, when there's no breathing or panting at all when they're dancing so hard, obsessed fan be like "omg they're so stable singing live" live my ass 🤡

@suwakoss

3 жыл бұрын

We want to watch MR removed to see how they actually sounded not with the autotune because we accept that they arent perfect and dont want to hear that whack shit. It's fair to be shocked if u hear an mr removed and it sounds totally different to what the company posted.

@arrienejoyperucho6201

3 жыл бұрын

that's why mamamoo dont like hard choreography.

@lili.1313

3 жыл бұрын

like in aespa black mamba mr removed everyone’s hyping it up when there’s no difference in the actual song and the stage performance

Sketchbook's most viewed live is a legend for a reason...SNSD>

Ive noticed this multiple times in live K-pop performances..you know what gave it away? It was TOO perfect to be real. I wonder whether they know that people can tell whether it's live or edited

@SapiaNt0mata

2 жыл бұрын

since autotune has gotten worse and people are like "they eat CD for breakfast" when they hear the autotune version they do believe that people cannot tell that it's autotune so they keep being more aggressive.

I feel like during old K-pop days these editors weren't this obsessed with pitch fixing or excessive use of auto tune. Yes backing vocals existed in music show performances but you can still hear the idols singing and distinguish their voices from the backing track. These days there's too much obsession for perfection, even fans are guilty of this. Attacking idols for having their voices crack in an encore stage like do you expect the idol to sing professionally when celebrating their win while prolly goofing around? Or those calling Lia lazy with their WHOLE chests...

@pinkribbon1007

3 жыл бұрын

In Lee Suhyun first performance too! A lot of thought that Suhyun singing like this is 'unstable' It's a pity how fans always add to the problem by being overly demanding for no reason

@yurisurran9869

3 жыл бұрын

@@pinkribbon1007 first of all suhyun didn't train as an idol, she's an artist so like if she's unstable it should be normal cause she wasn't trained to be stable when singing while dancing. Besides she's an amazing singer like who would come for her skills, I was so mad when I saw such comments under her stage... Makes no sense -_-

@JeremyThanaparamy

3 жыл бұрын

This is for stop followers old less 😂

@yurisurran9869

3 жыл бұрын

@@JeremyThanaparamy fans just think these idols are Super natural beings, companies didn't start doing this madness on their own to chase old fans away, but to cater for the new fans unrealistic expectations

@JKINgz786

3 жыл бұрын

But some do not goof around but still not stable just standing and doing a wave but still not stable and even sounded off tune, I wonder what were they doing on their concerts?🤭

That's why people shouldn't trust Mr removed or Be obsessed on showing which group is better than the other live 🙄🙄🙄 Just enjoy the music, for God sake.

@catsmeow2750

3 жыл бұрын

Ikr😭😭

@jhacedomantay5837

3 жыл бұрын

Autotune is fine for as long as they don't do a milli vannili

@fermata_

3 жыл бұрын

Right?! don’t even know why people still watch mr removed heh 😒

@exoandbtsneedacollabtodisi3956

3 жыл бұрын

especially with the really famous ones ;-; people try to find anything to hate on them for but then get upset when you tell them it dont matter or that the MR removed are fake ☹ they be like "yOu jUsT wOnT beLiEve yOur fAveS aRenT pErfEct aNd tHiS peRsOn is sO mUch bEtTeR." and I'm all like "I know they're not perfect and that's why I'm not judging them for something as dumb as an MR removed 😔

@jossieannepantila9239

3 жыл бұрын

Sadly, a lot of kpop fans measure talent from how stable they live singing is. Vocal stability measures more on stamina :(((

Finally someone who is responsible and logic . Always i was thinking how their voices are stable when they are jumping and dancing strongly

I like how you don't dare to mention BTS cuz you know that their cult will come for you hard 😂😂😂😂😂😂

the official video for solar speechless cover is umbearable, like girl carried the whole song like the vocal queen she is and they did her so dirty in the editing.

@purple7442

3 жыл бұрын

and then the unbothered queen put up an acappella version on her youtube.

@aleeeedavis

3 жыл бұрын

Fan cams to the rescue. Damn! Her cover was so good that doesn't need any kind of changes. I mean, she's in Mamamoo. They're one of the groups with high quality vocals.

@wheeiniewheepup709

3 жыл бұрын

The back up vocals are too much in the video. Is that what they call MR? Like I can literally hear two voices of solar. It's obvious that they had a pre-recorded track and solar was singing live. I just can't understand why it was so loud. Weren't they informed that solar was singing live?

@SJunhaC

3 жыл бұрын

Its just crappy editing... like cgi you failed if the audience noticed it...

1st and 2nd gen lacked autotune before that’s why they are a lot more stable compared to the newer gen idols. It’s pure experience they were trained that way

@mcngotea3577

3 жыл бұрын

Ur pfp is *chefs kiss*

@cakatama9046

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I remember that

@sapphirewilliam6756

3 жыл бұрын

@@mcngotea3577 couldn't agree more

@bacon8559

3 жыл бұрын

pfp is -chef's kiss-

@cynthiafrans7003

3 жыл бұрын

Omg finally someone said it! If I watch old SHINee and SNSD videos they sound more raw for sure than nowadays performance from the same music show

Proud of my 5 girlies whose vocals are constantly attacked by kpoppies but are singing live as much as they can (overpowering the backtrack) wherever and whenever the show is straight from their debut. Watching ITZY perform delights many Midzys.

We seriously need more Raw VS Autotune compilations

and this is why i stan mamamoo, snsd, and iu. vocal queens indeed.

@bibi-s

3 жыл бұрын

and dreamcatcher

@fannnffan

3 жыл бұрын

gfriend too

@charred6683

3 жыл бұрын

You might want to look into BVNDIT, they push extremely hard to not have their sound edited. It's really easy to find raw vocal videos of them. But as you can expect, they're not really popular, the machine does it's nasty job.

@imdrowninghelp8975

3 жыл бұрын

@@charred6683 I'll definitely look into them, thanks for the recommendations 🤗

@imdrowninghelp8975

3 жыл бұрын

@@bibi-s I've been wanting to check them outt, ill definitely do that when i have time

kpop stans, it is OK for idols to lip sing but its a problem to the point where in every single performance they lip sing and we never get to hear their real voice. yall need to know this is how the music industry goes

@roegieescleva7012

3 жыл бұрын

The problem is that most of the time, it's not the fans that are like that, it's the haters. As a once I am pretty ok with twice lipsynching to prerecorded tracks, and so do a lot of once, but it's the haters that says "twice can't sing" etc

@stelrex7293

3 жыл бұрын

@@roegieescleva7012 I really don't trust music show awards and judge idols based on that performance. He/she may be the best singer but I still have suspicions that they are not completely live. I only watch them for the stages, dance performances (bcoz you can't fake them) and costumes. If you have a really hard choreo and still have perfect sounding vocals then something is fishy. If you want to watch their real performance concerts is the best place or fan meetings if they sing there. If they sing on vlives then it is completely live without any audio corrections. Tbh every idol can sing, they literally went up against thousands during their audition and managed to get in a group. So they proved that they are talented even before debuting. Even if they don't use live locals doesn't mean that they can't sing. Sometimes the schedules are so gruesome that if something happens to even 1 member's voice their entire promotions could stop.

@faithfullyfaith199

2 жыл бұрын

@مرهق I'm pretty sure a whole company has at least one group who has lip singing

@kiwiequis4144

2 жыл бұрын

There's extremely few scenarios in which it's okay to lip sync a performance people paid to hear you perform live........ Its scamming your fans at that point. At least let them make the desicion to go to a lip synced performance when they buy the tickets.

please cover STAY C their "live" vocals are so real I haven't heard some "realer" vocals in a long long time :)

I love Tiffany because she pretty much tells us what the backtrack is

The thing is Sm trains their idols really well so I don’t understand why they don’t just trust that.

@ANDSTONE100

3 жыл бұрын

The point is to present an almost studio like performance, it's for the enjoyment of the viewers. You wouldn't listen to songs with poor intonation at certain parts, would you? It'll drag you out of your immersion.

@katgreer6113

3 жыл бұрын

@@ANDSTONE100 Well someone like me would. I've always preferred lives to the studio version. I love the voiecracks and all.

@mynameisalexanderhamilton2862

3 жыл бұрын

I prefer real than perfect performance. SM is too obssess with their image.

@mavel2038

3 жыл бұрын

@@ANDSTONE100 why would you pay to see a singer that is using a track you can find on YT instead of live vocals? It's pretty shitty to have them train for so long then get told they just have to lipsync.

@ANDSTONE100

3 жыл бұрын

@@mavel2038 Because this industry is more than just vocals, it is performance based, meaning the overall performance is more important. If you go see a ballad singer and they're lipsynching then you have every right to be annoyed but when it's idols who are going to be performing demanding choreographies? I don't know. When talking about these live shows that are edited for TV, the audience at the shooting experiences their raw vocals.

Autotune is the reason why there's so many GOOD Artists that are underrated. Shows keeps on editing even it was already good enough. And that's why hearing it personally is much better 😍😍

@ranmori915

3 жыл бұрын

I guess that's why some differentiate singers from idols .. but again some idols have a good vocals they just need to work on that instead of dancing in my opinion. It really hurts when you see a genuine artist with no recognition compared to them.

@yestyongday

3 жыл бұрын

There are a lot of great solo/ballad artists in Korea that are painfully underrated, same with k-bands

@katya.g524

3 жыл бұрын

using auto tune doesn’t make you a bad artist lol

@meo_meow3556

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah like the gOoD artist aren't using autotune when the video got edited. Even I admit the group I stan used autotune repeatedly even at their concert. But I still love them for making me happy. There's many good artist with good vocal and dance skills but it's not because they're underrated it was simply because they lacked exposure and promotion from the company that's why they only have a small crowd of fans. My point is DON'T blame the autotune for the gOoD aRtiSt being underrated. It's not entirely the company fault as well they lacked money to promote the group it's not anyone fault. Maybe because some people aren't meant to be famous.

@katya.g524

3 жыл бұрын

@@meo_meow3556 they refuse to see this

What's annoys me is that "fan" who commented " how stable" "they eat CD" etc are literally deft. I also a fan. But I know when my idols using autotune. Using backtrack, or even lypsinc

It should also be noted that fan cams generally have poor audio quality, so of course it would sound different from the studio release, even without tweaks.

The sad part is when thay add breath to the pre recorded performance to clowned us

@Emiis

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah

@duuzth527

3 жыл бұрын

THIS!!!!!!!!

@annadziekonska7366

3 жыл бұрын

This!! It makes me annoyed because now it makes me wonder will we EVER see proper live performances? I know there are some ways to spot this like obvious crazy dancing means no perfect singing but if shows and companies keep adding little things like "breathing" to backing tracks then what is the point of performing at all? Just play the cd at this point ya know?

@horanghaejunior6989

3 жыл бұрын

YES SAD BUT TRUE

@happysaxophone536

3 жыл бұрын

@Bang me Chan sorry but i just have to comment this.. your username 😂

I'm glad you showed Eunji's vocal, she's so underrated for non-Korean fans

@chaiantoinnette1667

3 жыл бұрын

preach!!! one of the best vocalists!

@kamilah_abd

3 жыл бұрын

Eunji is famous if those people stan kpop bfore 2013 i still remember her collaboration with yoseop

@starfantasy_zptniss8659

3 жыл бұрын

Oh no, she's my fav bae❤️❤️

@rifkidya5954

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know if it is fact or just my feeling as fans, but yeah i also feel in my country itself Eunji is soooo underrated. Don't know why though if i search reaction video of Eunji singing from various person especially from vocal teacher, she is mostly got compliments from them. But still, it is difficult to find person praise for her among my friend

Yeah that’s true.. sadly That’s why I enjoy to watch SNSD’s lives. And “cater 2 u” is truly legendary. The harmony on point

It drives me insane when a performance is obviously a prerecorded live and there are these naive people in the comments praising the live vocals 😅 I'm just like... these poor kids

It's kind of disappointing when even a great singer like Solar was auto tuned in post production without her consent, because she killed the song with her amazing vocal skills. Kpop companies should let the idols sing naturally, instead of trying to present a flawless perception of the idols.

@boba8206

3 жыл бұрын

It was the program fault.

@andsprite

3 жыл бұрын

It's mostly the programs and the people behind the stages who auto tune and "fix" the performances. Not the companies.

@chrsyllamarlene4473

3 жыл бұрын

yeah

6:00 About the Japanese market in general: live music and "natural" voices have a much higher value in Japan to this day. They have a huge rock scene that lives and dies with concerts, so it's no surprise, but it carries over into other genres too. When I started listening to KPop I had to learn how to recognize a back-track, lip-syncing and touched-up vocals because I spent years listening almost exclusively to Japanese music (J-Rock and it's sub-genres mostly) and that has never been a prominent issue to me before. Some of most played tracks are live-recordings, and if they were touched-up (which they probably are somewhat, since professional recordings always do some kind of studio magic) I still can't tell.

@nfspbarrister5681

2 жыл бұрын

Well, the 1st time i heard k-pop back in 1999, i still hear them fine and like any other music industry. But oh boy, starting in 2005, they sounds "plastic" as hell! This is why i really have hard time to want to listen to the "2nd" or what next gen korean wave, and prefered k-rock or the non mainstream artist. It just iffy...

@sanjana6873

2 жыл бұрын

In India too... Whenever indian singer have concert they always do live singing with their band member and chores member... I too prefer live singing not auto tune..

@Mika88Kenichi

2 жыл бұрын

That is so true! I listen more to Japanese rock bands and soloists and they do like singing naturally. Kpop used to be better in the 90s and early 2000 and almost everyone sounded real, SES sang without autotune. Today's kpop vocals are saturated with pitch correction and autotune everyone sounds the same even the singing style is the same.

I love the ITZY dance practice feature here! They are the best, and Ryujin always says "we are singers and singers always sing live and shouldn't lip sync". ITZY will never fool us!

I think because fancam recorded the sound from speaker while the voice of singers was recorded directly from their micro. And to guarantee the high quality for the show, the producers did their job. That also made difference.

@BeatGoat

2 жыл бұрын

Recording from the audience or directly from the mic would not make any difference when it comes to the singer's pitch. :)

@potamoons1776

2 жыл бұрын

Its mixing bro. Pitch correcting, or what ever it called.

@jisna7671

2 жыл бұрын

Glad I found this comment, but I don't talk about the idols in music show, but the shows like eunji(?) Apink or mask singer ones, I think they just removed others (don't needed) sounds so we got directly from the mic, hoping people didn't generalized..

idols are extremely talented, but then companies and shows decide that using their breath and natural human reactions should be covered. I think the only thing I'm okay with is making it a bit more clear and making the mic a bit better, but when you change somebody's vocals, it's game over for your company man. we want real vocals and show the idol's true talent, we don't want pre-recorded unless it's quieter than the real vocal. Edit: I forgot to mention, especially with hard choreos, I'd understand, but then what's the point? I get it, it's hard and like it's extremely hard to be stable when doing so many jumps, turns, fast movements and popping, but then maybe cut down when doing extremely hard choreos? Like I'd skip out on a bit of dance for some vocals- And be human, You know? yeah, sorry. I couldn't get every thought down on here, but I don't think every part of backtracks are bad... just.. okay, I'm gonna finish here. It's difficult lol.

@janiahsantos5673

3 жыл бұрын

Ikr

@efka4861

3 жыл бұрын

The thing is, without backtrack or lipsync I don't think their stamina can catch up. Imagine dancing and singing in 3+ music shows all week during promotion while also attending other activities. I will definitely be dead if I were them 😔.

@bigtoe422

3 жыл бұрын

@@efka4861 I know, that's why I thought it'd be better if there was quiet backtrack. Also, they build up stamina overtime since they do this for a living. I definitely understand where you're coming from, and I would be so exhausted too, but I think they can definitely do it. I guess if the choreo is super hard, lip syncing is fine, but like yk😳

@kristin123a

3 жыл бұрын

You say that, but the fact is that this is done to all idols. Especially now that many do pre recorded apperances the auto tune is slapping you in the face.

@bigtoe422

3 жыл бұрын

@@kristin123a it's so upsetting and I just really get upset over this lol. Pre-recorded performances is so much worse than autotune considering they aren't even SINGING😔

I honestly have no idea how people could think music show performances are mostly live nowadays. It’s so obvious they aren’t singing live. There are no breathing/deep breaths, not even when jumping. When you watch the different performances on the music shows, groups can and will use the same prerecorded vocals. They do it all the time.

@starlight1316

3 жыл бұрын

But you still can see the groups which sing live. For example exo seventeen gugudan dreamcatcher

@6idle4ever49

3 жыл бұрын

that's why gfriend exist u can actually clearly hear their voices racing the backtracks not to mention its stable asf

@beesbees1669

3 жыл бұрын

@@6idle4ever49 @star light Yes, these groups have sang live, but they also use backing and prerecorded vocals. It is very normal. Gfriend, for example, for Apple promotions, they used prerecorded vocals for all music show and live performances.

@dianacastor3059

3 жыл бұрын

@@beesbees1669 it's hard to sing live you feel nervous.And our voice is shaking when we feel that (sorry for my bad english)

@3riyanto

3 жыл бұрын

@@starlight1316 almost all is pre recorded

9:28 eunji's voice is natural...my bias every one

Uhhh yessss eunji's live is just so natural and amazing ahhhh I love her so much!!!

Thats why taeyeon doesnt like to perform on music show. Glad she has her own concert 💕💕

@mysonetoliveinncityluviely6868

3 жыл бұрын

Thats because she can earn money through concerts instead of pay broadcasting channels to appear on music shows. Why pay when ppl can pay you.

@princesscastillo7392

3 жыл бұрын

@@mysonetoliveinncityluviely6868 that's not it sm is the one who is paying taeyeon will get paid even just attending music shows that's her work as an artist after all, and also I think music show is just to promote the idols taeyeon has been at the industry for so long she doesn't need to perform at music show at all, taeyeon already said she felt so alone at waiting room and missing her members presence, that's why she prefer having a concert at different countries and perform in front of her fans who love her, attending awards show perform in front of so many people who is not even her fans make her uncomfortable bcz she's introvert and also for all the hate she got.

@fadelengelen2217

3 жыл бұрын

@@princesscastillo7392 my real SONE dont need to put "sone" word on their uname to prove that they are a real sone 💕💕

This does makes sense as to why whenever idols finish performing they’re hard on themselves because they think they’ve messed up and they probably did but when we see that performance it’s touched up so we don’t know

@haifaboukhris6287

3 жыл бұрын

OMG yesssss

THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO!!!!!

For me MAMAMOO and SEVENTEEN are the only group that can sing live (3rd gen). What i mean is when they are not dancing like crazy, they really have amazing live vocals, even on the fancam. Watch them singin ballad or slow song or watch them when they havin fun or just singin for themselves, even when they do karaoke. Amazing.

@uc6758

2 жыл бұрын

U never heard of EXO and BTOB ?

@brielletv5434

2 жыл бұрын

@@uc6758 im saying 3rd gen. so exo and btob are 3rd gen?? i thought they are 2nd gen. exo and btob are amazing singers especially their live vocals. im talking about 3rd gen. no offense tho

@uc6758

2 жыл бұрын

@@brielletv5434 exo and btob are both considered 3rd gen, hun.

@koyi-iw1nz

Жыл бұрын

And nct ??

Kpop fans to lipsync and prerecord idol performance “OMG they’re so stable” like wtf

@chanyeollololo636

3 жыл бұрын

This!

@naritruwireve1381

3 жыл бұрын

It's even funnier when the idols are doing hardcore choreo and the audio is so perfect, you don't even hear breathing lol or those pops with P's, S's, B's etc usual mics without a pop filter have

@true-mrremoved656

3 жыл бұрын

I hate the fact they thought its live because 'yOu cAN heAr thEiR bREaTh'..

@hurrycat9538

3 жыл бұрын

Ikr that's why i always look for fancams

@shiningyoonie

3 жыл бұрын

@@true-mrremoved656 lol yeah, like breathing doesn’t seem to exist in the studio or what

SNSD GIRLS’ GENERATION TTS is no joke

@amrinellie

3 жыл бұрын

i think taesic (taeyeon and jessica) blends more. cause Tiffany and Seohyun has a powerful voice, when when they try to harmonize, they doesn't complement each other, they are like battling because they're voice are powerful. Sica is angelic, her voice is angelic but can belt high notes that angelic too.

@lifetimesone108

3 жыл бұрын

100% FACTS

@danicacielo4327

3 жыл бұрын

FACTS!!

@eiidecember5899

3 жыл бұрын

@@amrinellie uhm, i love jessica but i think jessica is heavily autotuned and pitchy of she dont use one

@harry3297

3 жыл бұрын

Agree. I guess, she's not training her voice now because her vocals became so weak. But back in the days, she's supporting almost as high as taeyeon.

Lee Hongki. Pure vocal. No need for autotune💛

I like your energy throughout this video

Anyone who's been to musicals and live concerts before should know that no matter how well trained a singer is, moving around while singing will take a toll on anyone's voice stability which is just normal

@NurIzzati-yj2jt

3 жыл бұрын

I mean it's logic and nowadays groups have crazy choreography, so it's quite impossible for them to sing live everytime

@janiahsantos5673

3 жыл бұрын

It can even damage your voice ,so if they sing while dancing a exhausting choreo it can strain their voices

@jchongO2l1

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, that's why artists stay still when tgey belt out really high notes

@pterocardio

3 жыл бұрын

@prettiest suji beyoncé should not be the standard you should compare everyone to... she has near perfect vocal technique and over two decades of experience. i love her but this comparison is inappropriate.

@pterocardio

3 жыл бұрын

exactly, which is why as someone who sings, I don't mind autotune/lipsyncing/backing tracks/pre-recorded vocals. people don't realize that these idols are extremely overworked and most of them don't have proper technique to be singing the notes they're hitting live WHILE dancing. i think people don't understand how serious the damage could be on these idols voices if they sang live ALL the time. a healthier voice that lipsyncs to their own pre-recorded vocals should be valued more than a damaged voice that sings live.

Knowing Cater 2 U wasn’t autotuned makes it even greater... the harmonies, TTS’s voice are heavenly

@nobody-ir3ut

3 жыл бұрын

❤️❤️

@witchjyru2045

3 жыл бұрын

🥰

@littlelier3630

3 жыл бұрын

They existed a little before autotune(?) So they has some stamina...

@fatimaannisa8155

2 жыл бұрын

TTS doesn't need autotune, autotune needs TTS.

@geramaecuartero5702

2 жыл бұрын

Girls Generation doesn't need autotuned they can sing perfectly 😊😊

I know right, thank you for appreciating solar's vocal here. She did her best already without those autotunes bleh

I really wish companies would let their vocal groups show their talent more. I can understand with groups that have very strong choreos and stuff, but especially with RV I wish they would let them sing without backtrack more often. The girls have shown multiple times on IG live that they can sing without auto tune and SM should really let them show it off more

TaeTiSeo’s cover performance of “Cater To U” barely touched up, because SNSD have live vocal queens. It’s no surprise “Cater To U” performance was barely touched up.

@bangtanite6308

3 жыл бұрын

What is the meaning of 'barely touched up' ? Sorry I'm dumb

@danacharellelacuesta4775

3 жыл бұрын

@@bangtanite6308 not like heavily edited.

@bangtanite6308

3 жыл бұрын

@@danacharellelacuesta4775 ahh ok i get it now Thanks

@seamelody509

3 жыл бұрын

Its not even edited

@airm1742

3 жыл бұрын

The background music was edited, and the screams of fans *something* but all with the intention that everyone could appreciate their true voices. *They are real Queens* 💖 #always&4ever

When you're a Moomoo and you trust your Mamamoo at the highest place. Also, Eunji is a queen!

@twinkletwinkle7089

3 жыл бұрын

And Taeyeon too

@YoyoYo-xq1so

3 жыл бұрын

Finally someone noticed Eunji😤😤

@bulanratuparamitha2941

3 жыл бұрын

Yes Eunji is one of the best female vocalist that South Korea have in this generation. Along with Taeyeon, Solar, Wheein, Wendy, Yuju, Ailee, IU, Su Hyun, Lee Hi. Their voice are amazingly BEAUTIFUL.

@bulanratuparamitha2941

3 жыл бұрын

🦄🦁🐯🐖🐂🦌🐖🐃🐷🦌🐫😎😎🙂😎😎😎😎😎😎😃😃😃😃😎😎😃😃😎😃☺️😃😎😃😎😃😅😘😍

@Happypanda0419

3 жыл бұрын

Eunji doesnt need autotune she is a queen!!!

I appreciate you giving us the realness in these videos. More people need to realize even if it's not the artists fault, their image is often prioritized over their musical prowess. They can't really control that, but it is a truth.

If I remember correctly, japanese hate autotune so when they held a concert or perform in japan they sing live.

Also let's just not compare the vocalists of 'older gens', but also the choreography... It's getting more and more acrobatic like every year, IDEK anymore. This is because yall audiences gets more excited with special stages of dancers with difficult movement and props compared to a person standing still singing ballad. And for the record, I'm not against auto tune, back track, or splendid choreography. My point was merely do not expect perfect vocals while doing heavy choreo. As much as you train, jumping and shits would still have effects on your breathing, it's only natural.

@skateboardz3150

3 жыл бұрын

if i wanted to watch someone stand still singing i could just listen to the audio

@TheFlowerbeast

3 жыл бұрын

@@skateboardz3150 Aw, I'm so sorry then your attention span is comparable to a toddler's

@efka4861

3 жыл бұрын

@@skateboardz3150 that is quite disrespectful towards ballad singers 🤷🏻‍♀️. I am not saying they all have to just stand still, it's just if you wanna see hard choreo don't expect them to sing properly while dancing to them.

@authornikkih8266

3 жыл бұрын

This!

@krissyofcourse

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah for straight ballads there is no reason for backing tracks or auto tune. If NCT U or Everglow wants to lip sync so they can dance balls to the wall honestly I'm ok with it. 🤷‍♀️

I honestly feel kinda sorry for the singers.. they train for years and years and are super talented and then these companies just step in and are like "nah fam that's not enough" like wth I want to see you jump around on a stage and sound 100% flawless

the performance that always come to my mind when i think about stable vocal is 2pm's i'll be back. i mean.... they were literally running the whole time, with a choreo that hits every beat, and their voices were fantastic! lots of real breaths and it seems like 2nd groups were "allowed" to just stand still and focus on hitting the note rather than continuously dance.

I have no chill for you 😂😂😂😂you are so funny. Thank you for your good work.

The conclusion is, it is impossible to sing really well while dancing a hard choreography, even for the best singer in the industry Edit: bc some people don't get what i mean. It's because the editors would still edit their voice anyway, no matter how perfect the vocal is.

@calit5109

3 жыл бұрын

exactly, and it pisses me off that the kpop industry is trying to "trick" us into thinking that it is possible. it's literally not. and when ppl try to back their favs up saying "you can clearly hear their breathe on the mic" like yes!! they pre-edited that too! editors are getting better and better at making it seem like it's real when it really isn't. ugh don't talk to me im sad :'(

@sweetdanii09

3 жыл бұрын

It is possible. A lot of 2 generations did it. It was super fun watching them sang and heard their breathing and learnt how hard they worked to sound so similar. It's a shame today they autotune good singers

@violettofan5828

3 жыл бұрын

A👏🏻men 👏🏻si👏🏻ster

@ignacia3628

3 жыл бұрын

You can even notice on musical theatre, they train like hell for decades, all of their careers, but you are still able to hear breathing and panting because is totally normal even for the most professionally trained person

@sugaringcandy3621

3 жыл бұрын

@@ignacia3628 oh yeah I really love watching musicals! speaking of it, the thing that makes me love it is how the actors and actresses improve some of their parts to maintain good performance while they need to dance, and i think that's how a performance should be. In this case i hope kpop music show editors could stop editing their beautiful voices. so we can see idols do that kind of stage improvisation cuz that's what makes it called a work of art.

[LONG POST WARNING] Fans are biased and blind. Even the best vocalists would have hard time singing while dancing. But fans denying the fact and still defend them as 'perfect'. Even idols are human, and no human is perfect. I used to think idol should be good at everything: dancing, singing, variety, handsome/pretty. But it's not realistic. That's why idol groups have positions. Members good at singing be the main vocalists, members good at dancing be the main dancers, handsome/pretty members be the visuals. Everyone contribute to the group differently. But it does bother me when I listen to heavily 'fixed' or 'edited' performance. Whether 'cuz of the loud backtracks, autotune, smoothing, doubling, etc. It's just so common I became so conditioned to it, and I start to not know how to differentiate real live vs touched up vocal anymore. Anyway I'm so happy there's still someone like you who are a fan, but remains objective. 99% of fans these days are just delusional. And they're ready to come to you anytime if you touch their God/idol. Even when u just telling the truth/fact. Maybe if you plan to make another video like this, can you also explain the different method to edit/fix/touch up a vocal? Such as auto tune, smoothing, doubling, etc? We heard them but many probably doesn't even understand what they really are and how they work. THANK YOU!

@agathahyrs3943

3 жыл бұрын

I agree

@tofu6190

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly! One time and I watched a video of a concert stage that was mr removed, their voices were shaky as hell but that's understandable because of their choreography. So many comments on it were saying "Wow!" ****'s voice is so stable! We stan a queen" like seriously? Y'all deaf or sum?

@simsgazytech2013

3 жыл бұрын

For my case because i am in NCT FANDOM. Some nctzen itself are denial if we said taeil and doyoung often lost breath with intense choreography. Those autotunes help them to reach high notes. Everybody know NCT main vocal has amazing voice but it's natural loose your breath during intense dance. If i said chenle , Xiaojun and haechan are the best in singing while dancing in intense choreography. Most nctzen feel offensive. I often come to concert outside kpop, i know which backtracked & autotuned. which sing live. Actually there are barely backtracked performance from singer from my country so i know the differences. People should know a super popular singers who have great vocal techniques ( even someone whith whistling register) always have different performance for same song ( because they sing live). Most Kpop singer use backtracked and autotunes. They have super hectic schedule and i understand.

@thiennhat9150

3 жыл бұрын

@@simsgazytech2013 true. Even I am a NCTZENS I still believe that Chenle is the most stable one while sing live not Doyoung or Taeil but nah...¯\_(ツ)_/¯let them think what they want. Chenle has many experiences while sing live from a very young age so STAN TALENT MAN.

@jwthhw4241

3 жыл бұрын

some fans love to insist that what they are hearing is raw, live vocals when it was clearly edited/pre recorded. like NO ONE can sing with a stable voice while dancing 3-4mins straight. its not humanly possible, seriously... i dont get whats going on in people's minds. it always annoys me how people think that showing off "live vocals" means they are automatically better than those who lipsync/use auto tune. in the end, the voices in the songs you hear ARE STILL THEIR VOICES, its just heavily edited and will continue to be no matter how good the singer is. to me, theres no need to be able to sing with a stable voice while performing to prove their talent. because its obvious they are talented by the fact that they debuted, out of many other trainees.

I love raw vocals I actually listen to raw vocal kpop music sometimes. More than the studio ver because the raw and breathes they take are satisfying

Thank you for this..

This is why mamamoo and iu are so respected . They even have casual fans , and amazing brand value

@windyday6850

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, it's not like Mamamoo don't use backtracks. Did you forget Solar slipping up and gasping in Queendom while she continued to singing in the background lol.

@luhuttuhul3411

3 жыл бұрын

Why including mamamoo,, please they are not on the same level as IU,, IU never lipsync But mamamoo did lipsync in some live stage

@jestico9723

3 жыл бұрын

@@luhuttuhul3411 Can you say which one? Entertain us moomoos please < 3

@maku636

3 жыл бұрын

@@luhuttuhul3411 that was one performance because of technical issues. they said it themselves, they prefer singing live over lipsyncing because they know they’re the worst at lipsyncing lol and Hwasa hates when her mic’s low and she can’t hear herself over the backtrack so she tries to sing louder. they’re the best 3rd gen female vocal group and that is a fact that even non-fans acknowledge. so why are you salty? i’d understand if you were offended because they mentioned IU with a group that can’t sing... but that’s not the case isn’t it? 😆

@defiantaichi

3 жыл бұрын

@@luhuttuhul3411 of course they lip sync. They dance too. No one can sing live perfectly with dancing. And their chores have become very complicated over time. But. And a very big but, their live performances are insanely good and refined. These girls can start singing anywhere anytime and it sounds the same as their official releases.

Eunji always gets pissed when the bakctrack is louder than her mic, so she sings louder just to let others know they sing live specially at outdoor performances..

@cutienyra6395

3 жыл бұрын

This is so true

@princessnicolesangabriel731

3 жыл бұрын

Remember when she sang her part higher in moment? So good

@multitrash9945

3 жыл бұрын

@@princessnicolesangabriel731 yassssss

I looove the actual not edited versions sooo much !!!

Omg you’re so great