Augustine REFUTES Protestants on Justification
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Quite often one will hear the myth that St. Augustine is some sort of Proto-Protestant on justification...nothing can be further from the truth. In this video, I go through St. Augustine's entire system on the matter, copiously quoting from his tracts, letters, and homilies on issues like "what is justice?," "what is justification?," "what is grace?," purgatory, mass for the dead, etc., while also responding to some of the best anti-Catholic arguments from his works.
If you want to watch more on this topic, I would suggest watching this other video I did on the topic: • Justification: the Cat...
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0:00 - Introduction
2:00 - Catholic and Protestants on Justificaiton
9:27 - The Justice of God
20:54 - On Justification
25:00 - Habitual Justice
32:50 - Seripando and Sufficiency of Justice
35:28 - On Concupiscence
1:13:16 - Mortal vs. Venial Sin
1:23:05 - Purgatory
1:32:12 - Merit
1:42:00 - Mercy of God and Final Judgement
1:56:30 - Conclusion
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@MilitantThomist
2 ай бұрын
Chad
@bgmunzerinio1559
2 ай бұрын
Unironically saw this message while at the gym listening to this video lol
As a former Lutheran, I believe you are doing the Lord’s work, thank you so much!!
@MilitantThomist
2 ай бұрын
Thank you! I appreciate it
When I found out that Luther and Melanchthon were knowingly claiming that S Augustine was on their side when they knew he wasn't, my Lutheranism started to die.
Reading Jaroslav Pelikan’s history of the development of Christian doctrine (a Lutheran scholar at the time of authorship) was enough to convince me of the madness of reformers, and that Augustine was absolutely NOT “on their side”. His history of reformation doctrine demonstrates conclusively, though perhaps unintentionally, the total alien invasion into Christian history that the reformers perpetuated.
Amazing video! St Augustine pray for us!
@MilitantThomist
2 ай бұрын
It was only possible by his intercession
This, is another certified Catholic W
I'm so glad that you're getting into this letter. When I first read it, I was stunned. It's one thing for the reformers to claim that they have a legitimate critique and a different subjective interpretation, it's another thing entirely when they knew exactly what they were doing. God is not mocked.
@MilitantThomist
2 ай бұрын
Actually wild...
@Silverhailo21
2 ай бұрын
@@MilitantThomist indeed. I shared that letter that you read at the beginning to a Lutheran friend of mine who's really really Lutheran and super serious about his faith and he just got angry. He got unbelievably wildly angry, immediately went into mudslinging, it was one of the poorest responses I've ever seen. I'm actually stunned that Philip actually committed this to writing. This is the most damning admission of the reformationist / protestant origins that I've ever heard.
Absolutely amazing video, Mr. Wagner! I am sick of self-proclaimed "true followers" of St. Augustine twisting his words to support their heretical beliefs. You BTFO'd them soundly! I hope you will do more content like this as well in the future.
Augustinian W
@thehighlander6770
2 ай бұрын
Let’s not forget St. Anselm 😎
This can’t be true! Pastor Billy Bob from the independent fundamental baptist church told me Augustine was firmly a sola scriptura faith alone advocate!
@supercoolandawesomefr
2 ай бұрын
@torchanddog the southwest has fallen
@EmilTennis00
2 ай бұрын
He lied to you! Internet apologist sitting in his basement told us Augustine was firmly a pope venerator!
Extremely looking forward to this. Thanks in advance, Christian!
This is an amazing video. It is strong and informative and pertains to a highly controversial topic, thanks ❤
@MilitantThomist
2 ай бұрын
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Amazing work!
True. Augustine refutes protestants on justification. Phenomenal video.
St Augustine is real one. ✝️
@MilitantThomist
2 ай бұрын
So true
Another Augustinian classic ⚡️
@MilitantThomist
2 ай бұрын
SO TRVE
Amazing!
Augustine is Him
Very cool Christian
@MilitantThomist
2 ай бұрын
No you
Ok I was wrong this video convinced us
@namapalsu2364
2 ай бұрын
Who are you?
@palermotrapani9067
2 ай бұрын
@@namapalsu2364 He is Pastor Billy Bob mentioned above and his 2 top elders or Jethro and Bubba and the 2 women in the amen corner of the 1st pew are Sister Ethel and Mabel and think that Saint Paul spoke in King James English only.
Nice
@filipradosa6062
2 ай бұрын
Morphy
Is there a transcript for this video?
Let’s go, Joe!
beautiful
Christian, i have a question : you mention that the thomistic position is that sanctifying grace resides in the nature of the soul and then from this grace flows necessarily all the supernatural virtues to the different faculties since they are virtually contained in sanctifying grace. Now i was reading Garrigou Lagrange’s 3 ages of the interior life and he says that we can lose the state of grace and still have supernatural faith. How is that possible ?
@secessionblog3189
2 ай бұрын
I'll gonna take a wild guess and hope someone more knowledgable steps in to correct this. I suppose it's because mortal sin drives out the grace that puts us in right relation with God, but does not undo the grace of regeneration. That grace of regeneration is still present which allows us to retain supernatural faith and moves the will to repent and seek reconciliation. ?
@MilitantThomist
2 ай бұрын
St. Thomas answers in his commentary on Romans by distinguishing faith as a habit and faith as a virtue, For a virtue is a principle of a perfect act. But an act depending on two principles cannot be perfect, if either of the principles lacks its perfection, just as riding cannot be perfect, if the horse does not run well or the rider does not know how to guide the horse. Now the act of faith, which is to believe, depends on the intellect and on the will moving the intellect to assent. Hence, the act of faith will be perfect, if the will is perfected by the habit of charity and the intellect by the habit of faith, but not if the habit of charity is lacking. Consequently, faith formed by charity is a virtue; but not unformed faith. (Rom.C1.L6.n106.3)
umm sir, you forgot the "oh most glorious saint"
Kino W
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If a true believer in Christ is in fact in union IN Christ, how does that believer NOT be imputed with Christ's righteousness? And actually you did quote 2 Cor 5:21, which points to this.
What do you think of St. Augustine’s view that the Gentiles of Romans 2:14 are regenerate Christians and not unbelievers with natural knowledge of God? He espouses this view in Against Julian and On the Spirit and the Letter.
Please don't use these cringe voice effects. Makes it hard to understand and pay attention.
@MilitantThomist
2 ай бұрын
Makes me sound more spooky, bro
@krkenheimer
2 ай бұрын
@@MilitantThomist I am trying to learn about theology and St Augustine, not poop my pants
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Can it really be said that Augustine was a Roman Catholic either? In the modern sense of the word, would he recognize what has been dogmatized since his time? Respect.
@MilitantThomist
2 ай бұрын
Good question…any faithful Catholic would assent, on the basis of the authority of the Church, to the dogmas of the Church. Now, did he, in his status, recognize explicitly all those dogmas that would one day be promulgated? Probably not. Would he, through a certain process of reasoning, accept these as divinely revealed? Maybe.
@darewan8233
2 ай бұрын
@@MilitantThomist thanks.
Would the position of Saint Augustine be similar to the position of Martin Bucer and article 5 of the Regensburg Colloquy
@MilitantThomist
2 ай бұрын
No
@aajaifenn
2 ай бұрын
Would Saint Augustine believe in the non imputation of sins in forgiveness as the only grounds of acquittal from the demands of God's judgement seat
@MilitantThomist
2 ай бұрын
@@aajaifenndid you watch the video? The second half is about this exact issue
@aajaifenn
2 ай бұрын
@@MilitantThomist Okie i will watch fully . Thank you
@aajaifenn
2 ай бұрын
Watched...so much to chew on and reflect ..I have not heard this explanation of Augustine before and as you stated yourself anticipated ..it leaves me uncertain on your explanation ...what do you think of imputation ...do you reject it ...many catholic apologists today readily accept it .
Romans 5:1.
@MilitantThomist
2 ай бұрын
True
The catholic church has had a history of forged documents and they do same with postd like this, sadly many don't really have the inclination or motivation to check out what forged documents they produced.
@MilitantThomist
2 ай бұрын
Ehm
@catholiccrusader123
2 ай бұрын
It's true. Pope Francis forged all works of Augustine in 1054. I was there, can confirm.
If the justice of christ is not imputed to us, you will fall short.
@RidgeKinney
2 ай бұрын
cope
@cronmaker2
2 ай бұрын
Nope, believers keep the commandments and fulfill the law via infused divine charity, the indwelling of the Trinity doesn't "fall short", believers arent damnably sinning every second.
@hll97fr16
2 ай бұрын
@torchanddog Because we do not care where quote mining will lead you to. Think about it for a second, people that tell you that you have been infused by the justice of God tell you either of those two thing : 1)Christ is a sinner or 2)Nobody will be save. Nobody, I say nobody, will be saved by his righteousness. Wich is what infused righteousness pretend to say.
@hll97fr16
2 ай бұрын
@@cronmaker2 Have you ever sin? If yes, then you do not have the righteousness of Christ, because he never have. I have sinned in my life, and I will continue to, that will not prevent me from being a saint, see the concil of Oranges about the Lords prayer if you want more infos on that.
@MilitantThomist
2 ай бұрын
@@hll97fr16 Dude...the justice that is infused into us is distinct from the justice that is in Christ. The "of" indicates the origin and type of our justice, not that we share numerically the same justice with Christ.
What do you think of Akin’s understanding of Justification as a fellow Catholic? Do you agree with his view that there is a common understanding of Justification and of saving faith between Catholics and Protestants? That Trent was not really saying anything different from Protestants on the question of Faith?
@MilitantThomist
2 ай бұрын
I think there can be unity on the question of that virtues which justifies (i.e., fiducia=fides formata), BUT that is about where the positions stop aligning. For, we have COMPLETELY different views of what that virtue does...the Reformed think that it is an instrument of apprehending something OUTSIDE of ourselves. On the other hand, the Catholic thinks that it is a virtue that is formal justice.
@chicago618
2 ай бұрын
@@MilitantThomist thanks for the reply. I would love to hear a discussion on this between you and Akin on this topic. Blessings to you