One day soon we will look back and remember when Red Pen Logic only had two videos and under 100,000 subs.

@seeqr9

4 жыл бұрын

I found you because of Dr Brown. Much respect for continuing the “tradition”. God Bless you, brother.

@IrorogheneOdafejirorosua

4 жыл бұрын

The accuracy 💯, I hope he pins this too.

@Zumbamom

4 жыл бұрын

They are so professional! Incredible videos

@timothyhelton9384

4 жыл бұрын

Nice name .I got out of jail about 7 years ago and had lost a 120 thousand dollar house I had for 9 years , a car I had just paid 4 thousand down on ,everything...I was homeless, in a halfway house Well all I wanted was a red pen. You see I had been writing verses and memorizing portions of Scripture and I wanted to write Jesus words in red. So I was at the halfway house by myself and I went in a room alone, got on my knees and asked God for a red pen. I was walking down the road about 15 minutes later and a guy walks up out of nowhere and hands me a red pen...

@richwheeler-iphone5263

4 жыл бұрын

Timothy Helton Great testimony! You’ve probably already learned that ALL the words of scripture are Jesus’s words, since the Father Son and Spirit Who moved the writers to record the God-breathed message are one God.

Response to materialists' argument: your argument does not exist

@dinhoantonio5529

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha,😂😂👏

@ernestliu1584

2 жыл бұрын

@Darth Quantum Logical fallacy alert! Christians have not failed to prove God exists. There is a difference between their failure to prove it, and their failure to convince you of it. There is plenty of evidence and coherent interpretation of the evidence that proves the existence of God. You might not like the evidence, but that does not negate the existence of the evidence or the validity of its interpretation.

@stannmyself5856

2 жыл бұрын

@@ernestliu1584 period

@DookyButter

2 жыл бұрын

@Darth Quantum Yet you yourself are making a positive claim, namely that "gods... aren't real." Therefore, the burden also lies on you to show us that he is not real. But if you can't do that, then your in the same boat, which would explain why you're so salty. The humurous thing is that atheists tout these "burden of proof" tropes only to claims of a god. They don't apply it anywhere else despite their entire worldview resting on similar positions. No one can prove laws of logic without first assuming them and then using them. For one to "show" you proof of logic, I would have to assume you could use logic (and that I could logically put together such a proof). Same goes for morality and value. You ask for proof, assuming proofs lead to truth, but what on earth led you to believe that truth is a valuable or good thing to pursue in the first place? Why not aim for falsehoods instead? An atheist has no such answer, nor can they. Their worldview affords them no such rights. Atheists merely arbitrarily pursue truth, having no justification that truth is any better (a moral and value statement) than falsehood. And I could provide more examples of atheist baseless thinking if you'd like!

@alexyordanov6250

2 жыл бұрын

@Darth Quantum Oh please don't try me with that old stupid argument . Maby you could make a better argument if you studied science and philosophy rather than posting memes about the flying spaghetti monster .

I know an atheist who is one of the nicest men I have met. He is secure in his position and has no need to convince anyone. I see these "atheists" on the internet as actually hostile to God with an agenda. They are not just atheists. They are workers of inequity .

@cielhill9049

3 жыл бұрын

indeed

@Ap31920

3 жыл бұрын

Same, a friend of mine started dating an atheist and he's made no attempt to turn her from the faith. These more hostile atheists, I wonder what influences them

@fingerzfrienemy2226

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ap31920 there seems to be a thing that people often become bullies on the internet. All safe at home at the computer.

@Ap31920

3 жыл бұрын

@@fingerzfrienemy2226 Ok true. I am left to wonder if are they pendantic in person though.

@GTRKT-qr5sf

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ap31920 How are they planning on raising their children, if they want to have children?

Straight to the point and so many of us as Christians have come against these 3 logical fallacies from Atheists. Thank you! 🙌

Finally, a LOGICAL Argument that isn't hypocritical. I have been saying for years they do exactly what they accuse us of. God bless you!!

@mikewagner8458

2 жыл бұрын

How exacty is it logical to say that something exist and doesn't exist at the same time? That is a classic contradiction and completely illogical.

@originalyou4069

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikewagner8458 who's saying that Mike?

@ricksonora6656

Жыл бұрын

@@originalyou4069 The people who ask those questions say it; they just bury half of it in their hidden assumptions.

@mikewagner8458

Жыл бұрын

@Hlord1109 I disagree. The definition of the word "exist": to have objective reality or being. He says God exists, so God must fit that definition, and have objective reality or being. Then goes on to say God is immaterial, and there is certainly nothing objectively real about an entity that is immaterial, so God doesn't exist in the way other entities exist, ie. immaterially. (Maybe you can name a different entity that both exists and is also immaterial.) More of a special pleading fallacy now that I think about it a bit, but that's still essentially what he's saying.

@supersilverhazeroker

Жыл бұрын

@@mikewagner8458 you're either making up definitions (i haven't seen the definition you gave searching for the definition of exist) or you are cherry picking a definition.. the first definition i found is from merriam webster "to have real being whether material or spiritual" but if man would say something that exists needs to be material that doesn't make it true that God isn't real if he's not material. besides even you believe that material was created by something immaterial.. or rather you believe the scientific impossibility that everything came from nothing at all. no consciousness, no spirit, no material, no energy, no space, no time, no anything. or you just haven't thought the origin of the universe story through. most likely the latter, as most atheists just rely on what they're told by physics professors etc. who say things like it all started with a big bang and you just take that on faith without thinking through where that big bang came from and if there is an answer given for that, where did that came from?. there has to be something eternal and immaterial at the start of it all doesn't it?

If logic is immaterial, what is it made out of? If logic is immaterial does it exist? Maybe this is why so many Atheists THINK they're using "logic" to deny God's existence but fail. They can't really believe logic exists either.

@aralornwolf3140

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe Red Pen shouldn't use the strawman fallacy ... Vast majority of Atheists don't know if there is a god or not, due to lack of sufficient evidence one way or the other.

@noahm44

2 жыл бұрын

@@aralornwolf3140 When you argue against a God, you have to propose an alternative. Atheists have to do it, what are they like the burden of proof or not.

@aralornwolf3140

2 жыл бұрын

@@noahm44 , We do _not_ need to propose an alternative. That's a completely separate issue. That flips the burden of proof. Do you _have_ evidence for your god, yes or no? If no. Then we reject your god claim(s). However, most atheists argue _for_ everything that has happened has happened because of _natural_ reasons. Thus, you're argument is also stupidly wrong.

@silentghost751

Жыл бұрын

@@aralornwolf3140 a good argument does propose an alternative. English 101

@aralornwolf3140

Жыл бұрын

@@silentghost751 , Oh... _RiGhT._ I was talking about in general... not in specific cases. We reject your god claim due to lack of evidence. there is no need for us to propose an alternative... However, the alternative atheists will use is "natural occurrences" as that's what the preponderance of scientific literature shows!

The only problem with this channel is that there are only 2 videos so far!

@RedPenLogic

4 жыл бұрын

Amen!!

@LoveYourNeighbour.

3 жыл бұрын

That problem is now SOLVED. LOL

Thank you Mr. Barnett. It’s nice when someone can deconstruct a bad argument.

@LoveYourNeighbour.

3 жыл бұрын

And it's NECESSARY, because many people are misled by such empty argumentation!

You are the very 1st KZreadr I've turned on post notifications for. I love your style of videos and clear explanations. Keep it up!

A twelve year old could see that tweet is ridiculous.

Can't wait for more of these videos. I need to increase my knowledge and reasoning against Atheists.

@mikewagner8458

2 жыл бұрын

Then don't rely on this clown. Feel free to read my my recent post with questions about this guy's ability to "reason".

@MrAuskiwi101

Жыл бұрын

You have no show against an informed atheist. No theist does

@grubblewubbles

Жыл бұрын

@@MrAuskiwi101 never have I cringed more at a self-indulgent comment more than yours, congratulations.

@MrAuskiwi101

Жыл бұрын

@@grubblewubbles You choice to imagine its self indulgent. More a reflection on you. Maybe you're projecting. What I said was true. Not ego related, just a statement of fact. The problem with apologetics is it has no substance. If one if well versed in recognizing logical fallicies and cognitive bias one can deal with any nonsense apologetics comes up with. And its all nonsense

@grubblewubbles

Жыл бұрын

@@MrAuskiwi101 how so is it all nonsense? How so does all of apologetics apparently have no substance? How so is what you said a statement of fact? How exactly is what you said not self-indulgent and how exactly is it just me projecting? Your entire reply to my comment consists of nothing but claims you didn't bother to back up whatsoever in any way. Also, I think you meant to say "you choose" not "you choice".

WOW! And I thought I had good editing skills! Tim proves once again that he is a next level G!

@RedPenLogic

4 жыл бұрын

Love you, brother!

@EricHernandez

4 жыл бұрын

@Andrew Fairfax I forgive you and appreciate your apology. And what dictionary defines theism as - "The belief in God, knowing that one is being dishonest"? This redefining thing with atheists is getting way outta hand...

@ImALefty08

4 жыл бұрын

Andrew Fairfax prove to me that God doesn’t exist. Prove to me that the bible promotes slavery. Prove to me Genesis is false.

@ea-tr1jh

4 жыл бұрын

@Andrew Fairfax Simply being mistaken or in error does not necessarily equal being dishonest. There is a difference by definition.

@ea-tr1jh

4 жыл бұрын

@Andrew Fairfax What fallacious claims were in this video? Do you disagree with Tim's assessment of this tweet?

New subscriber! I love this kind of clear, logical, truthful apologetic content; thank you for being a light in the vast chaos of this platform!

Tim, you did such a good job you seemed to overlook that question #3 brings you right back to #1, making it an incoherent question. You answered 3 as accepting that something is and then trying to find out what it's like, but that wasn't his question. His question was, "How do so many people believe that He (God) exists, BUT CAN'T DESCRIBE WHAT HE IS MADE OF?" Do you see how he is imposing the fact that God must be made of something? He goes right back to question 1. "If God is immaterial what is He made of?" This guy's brain is stuck it a single way of thinking.

You’ve set the standard high with these first two videos. Great work!

@RedPenLogic

4 жыл бұрын

Wow, thanks!

Great work, bro! We need more of these videos!

@RedPenLogic

4 жыл бұрын

More to come!

Hello! I just wanted to comment by saying that I just discovered this youtube channel via Mike Winger's latest video on answering 10 atheist questions.. Since then I've watched several videos of yours and wanted to say that I really love your channel. This content is difficult for me to grasp but yet you break it down in bite sized pieces and explain in ways where it's easy to understand. I'm really learning a lot from your videos and I do hope you continue to make more! God bless, sir!

I literally LOL'd when I read "If god is immaterial, what is he made of?" 🤣🤣🤣 I'm sorry but the idiocy is strong here!

@jrc99us

2 жыл бұрын

@ripe socksbro if you follow logical discourse you FIRST ask if God exists, then if it established that He does exist then you ask which God is He or what is He. It is completely illogical to ask a metaphysical question about a Supernatural existence and what that Supernatural existence is at the same time.

@jrc99us

2 жыл бұрын

@ripe socksbro Okay then how do you show a Supernatural being does not exist?

@jrc99us

2 жыл бұрын

@ripe socksbro LOL! Ah the classic I-don't-have-to-prove-anything cop out. What's absurd is that you confidently made the statement that Supernatural beings don't exist. This automatically puts the burden of proof on you.

@jrc99us

2 жыл бұрын

@ripe socksbro not really because I have been convinced of a Supernatural God. Also for the fact you stated an absolute. Unless you want to retract your original statement which I am fine with. Which terms do you want me to define?

@tryhardhunter2987

2 жыл бұрын

@@jrc99us nope. atheists reject the claim that God exists. until you provide evidence of it, your claim is pure opinion. i can say the invisible immaterial cat created the universe. you can't disprove that. the burden of proof is on you because it is your assertion that God exists. but if you don't have such an assertion and it is just your belief, then we are OK with that and there will be no more debate here.

Whaddo You Meme name dropped you. One vid and I'm a sub. Go man, go.

@kivsanchez811

4 жыл бұрын

Me too. Whadda u meme got me here.

@LoveYourNeighbour.

3 жыл бұрын

If Jon McCray (Whaddo You Meme) recommends a channel, I check it out IMMEDIATELY! I'm glad I did! Go Tim go!

@alexanderharrison3912

3 жыл бұрын

In which video is it mentioned?

You'd think people who brag so much about their "superior" intellect would not fall into such basic errors.

@peterbassey9668

3 жыл бұрын

They are pitting their pitiable intellect against the God that formed the brain and gave us the power of thought. They are therefore clearly punching above their weight.

@cryptfire3158

2 жыл бұрын

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. (1 Corinthians)

I just found a gem...this channel!!!!

You just earned another subscriber! Well explained indeed. God bless you brother 🙏🏼

I love watching your animated eyes and eyebrows, they are so animated it makes me giggle and sometimes lose concentration 😂 😂

Love it! Keep up the good work Tim.

I hope this channel get a lot of subs and views. In this time we need a lot of intelligent people who use intelligence to show people that god does exist. God bless you and keep up the good work.

@dominic5403

4 жыл бұрын

Mathias Buena This channel found a random tweet and made a completely terrible argument in response to a tweet.

@dryfox11

Жыл бұрын

@@dominic5403 I’m still waiting on the “evidence” everyone here is talking about.

So good! My english is not sooo good, but i understand... We need this in spanish!!!!

Keep them coming Tim...love it!

Good stuff, Tim. Looking forward to lots of these!

@RedPenLogic

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you like them! Appreciate you guys!!

When you hear that red pen cap come off! 0__0. Solid content! Keep these up my dude!!

@RedPenLogic

4 жыл бұрын

Working on it!

I know why he put that lmao, he was laughing at his own tweet.😂

Great video Red Pen. You rock. Keep it up brother. I love it!!!!

Came here from What Do You Meme channel. Looking forward to seeing more videos!

I had to pause while watching this so I could think. This is sad but true, I like it when atheists end up saying things like am not convinced when they don’t have anything logical to say not realizing that we could also choose to say we are not convinced of anything they say......

I was an atheist unti I was 35. I was not goofy arguments like this that made me believe. When I finally came round it was so much simpler. Arguments like this one kept me away for years.

Another home run. I will show this tomorrow to my kids. THANK YOU!

I’ve noticed the confused complaint is always somewhere within there arguments. Great video.

Well I just found my new binge channel, thank you!

Tim, I just found your channel and I love your videos! I agree with your arguments AND conclusions. One small critique (very small): gravity doesn’t exist (03:27), but is an observation. Newtonian physics observed the EFFECTS of an object in motion and assumed a force called gravity. Einstein postulated (and it was proved) that instead of an object falling to the earth (a quick example), instead the earth accelerates TOWARDS the object. That is why two objects of different mass that are “dropped” out of a window will collide with the earth simultaneously. As I said, a VERY SMALL critique. God bless!

Love your videos!!!! God bless you sir. You shed so much light on subjects I was confused about in my walk with Christ.

Well, Merry Christmas to me! I just discovered this channel.

This is so good. I’m subscribed dude .!

@RedPenLogic

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome, thank you!

Richard Dawkins: God does not exist, therefore, God does not exist His disciples who didn't understand a word in his past hour of talking: "Wow! What a genius!"

@nakkadu

3 жыл бұрын

When did Dawkins say "god does not exist therefore God does not exist"?....tell you what, I'll answer for you.....he didn't say this, you just made it up.

@CJFCarlsson

3 жыл бұрын

They will just as easily go the other way and assume someone is an idiot because they do not understand him. It is a grand lottery with atheists.

@nakkadu

3 жыл бұрын

@@CJFCarlsson what are you actually talking about? You know the comment is completely fabricated?

@CJFCarlsson

3 жыл бұрын

@@nakkadu My comment is based on personal experience. The initial comment is based on the dimmest possible formulation of the naturalist assumption. You may want to formulate it in a more clever way, but it is not made up, I for one recognized it as the naturalist assumption.

@nakkadu

3 жыл бұрын

@@CJFCarlsson So you've met people who say 'God does not exist therefore God doesn't exist"?

I came across these videos just a couple of days ago and they are great! Subscribed! But somehow I can't ring the bell!

New subscriber here. i saw your tribute to Ravi zacharias on “ what do u meme” God bless you brother.

"Questions are a legitimate way of getting people to think. If questions create fallacy, error and confuse they only serve to conceal truth, rather than reveal truth!" Love it! Thank you for helping us spot poor logic and reasoning. #truth

@Mfitz222

4 жыл бұрын

Sharon Marie Smith you’re not spoting the bad logic and reasoning if you think he has good logic and reasoning for believing this claim.

@richwheeler-iphone5263

4 жыл бұрын

M Fitz - i find that Atheists often substitute rhetorical questions for reasoned arguments, and rewriting them as statements universally reveals non sequiturs, misrepresentations, and other logical fallacies. Mr B’s statement is absolutely correct, and your comment substitutes ad hominem for reason.

@Mfitz222

4 жыл бұрын

Rich Wheeler-iPhone I find believers like to assert outrageous claims with nothing more then word arguments for god the time to believe a claim like god is when you have extraordinary physical evidence. What is your physical evidence for god ? That’s not a rhetorical question.

@sharonmariesmith2363

4 жыл бұрын

Me. Fitz, do you read? I can recommend some great books that will answer your question..

@Mfitz222

4 жыл бұрын

I read plenty I can recommend books to you too. That’s not the problem. You obviously agree that spirits are real I’m guessing correct me if I’m wrong. How did you conclude this?

Who else is here because of Mike Winger? 🙋🏻‍♀️

@MP-yc2ou

4 жыл бұрын

Very random... but Did you make a comment on a shark encounter video? Lol

@aliMS137

4 жыл бұрын

MP not at all lol

@person-su7sd

4 жыл бұрын

I am because if wdymeme?

@shooterdownunder

4 жыл бұрын

Was here because of wat do you meme

@MP-yc2ou

4 жыл бұрын

@@aliMS137 oh loll

Keep this up man! God bless you, keep you, and hold you tight!

Hey Mr. B. I so appreciate your videos. Very Blessed by your God Honoring, scriptural, factual, and amusing format. Would love to see a video by you; on the world's use of statements like, "No True Scotsman Fallacy", "Circular Reasoning" "Red Herring Fallacy" and well know "acronyms" today. No pressure, right? Thanks my brother.

I prefer to start my day with coffee and rekt atheists.

Here is a question I just received from an atheist. Can God turn himself into nothing and then create something from nothing ? No ? Then God can’t do anything. And he says that’s why atheism is true.

@oluwafunmiwosholola7108

4 жыл бұрын

It's very similar in nature to the omnipotent-being-immovable object 'problem.' It hinges on the notion that God can perform actions that would lead to a contradicting of His attributes, of who He is. It's fascinating that atheists get surprised that there are 'things' that God cannot do; I guess it's important to define what omnipotent means when having conversations. As Christian's, it's clear that God cannot do everything (or just anything in the sense that your atheist friend stated) - we know God cannot and will not sin and this does not confound us in any way. It's perfectly logical. Simply put, your atheist friend's argument: if a perfect God exists, we know He cannot contradict His perfect nature being perfect Himself. Because He cannot contradict His perfect nature, therefore He cannot exist. It is a foolish one. God cannot will Himself out of existence because it would contradict His omnipresence, His fully 'always-being,' so to put it, in place and in time (both of which, funnily enough, would also cease to exist if God ceased to exist).

@jamespawson6045

3 жыл бұрын

@@oluwafunmiwosholola7108 just define things to be convenient for you.....

@Sorana44

3 жыл бұрын

😁😁😁

@jamespawson6045

3 жыл бұрын

@@oluwafunmiwosholola7108 omnipotent has a generally accepted meaning and it's not what you stated.

I just discovered your channel and my only question is this, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN!? 😂. Seriously though, this is my first exposure to your stuff and it's oh so good 👍.

@LoveYourNeighbour.

3 жыл бұрын

I first noticed him back when he worked more closely with Stand To Reason. I always THOUGHT he had exceptional talent, and should branch out further! I'm glad he finally did!

Nice one brother.. this is really good....

Yes we know gravity exists because we can demonstrate it. Can you demonstrate god like gravity? How did you confirm god is the source of the phenomenon? How did you determine the supernatural can exist ? How do you determine one supernatural claim over another? Also how did you confirm sprits exist ?

@richwheeler-iphone5263

4 жыл бұрын

M Fitz Spirit is not impersonal force or substance that you can biopsy or coerce into subjection to laboratory experiments, and only certain types of events in history are subject to independent, repeatable validation. Asking for scientific proof of what lies outside science’s jurisdiction is a category error, like trying to measure temperature with a compass. Atheists just can’t resist using category errors to produce logical absurdities.

@Mfitz222

4 жыл бұрын

Why is it out of science jurisdiction ? If it is out of science jurisdiction how did you conclude that ? If we can’t test it’s real and can’t confirm the Bible how do you know it is something that manifests in reality?

@dominic5403

4 жыл бұрын

It’s called just making shit up, that’s all it is. “We can’t detect it but it’s there because we have to say that in order to believe in that which there is no evidence” it’s circular and empty reasoning with no substance. God isn’t made out of matter/atoms but he’s there? Somehow? It’s completely stupid.

@richwheeler-iphone5263

4 жыл бұрын

M Fitz 1. Science limits itself to naturalistic phenomena. It is inadequate to deal with the philosophical or spiritual domains, or even much of history. In fact, science itself depends on protocols created by religion and philosophy. Your third question is a non sequitur.

@richwheeler-iphone5263

4 жыл бұрын

Dominic No, the circular reasoning is yours. You reject the evidence and then declare by fiat that there’s no evidence.

Fact #1 If the search for truth begins with the presupposition of the non-existence of God, then the existence of God can never be proven. Fact #2. There is no such thing as "many gods". Zeus, Apollo, Odin, etc, are merely names given to false definitions to the character and nature of the one true God.

@RedPenLogic

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

@DeconvertedMan

3 жыл бұрын

How do you know there are not many gods?

Oh yeah, keep these going 🙏🏽💯 God Bless

This was very good. Keep it up. Subbed.

The only thing that needs to be said: What is conciousness made of? Nothing? Does it exist? Yes. Conciousness is proof of immaterial truth.

@dertechl6628

2 жыл бұрын

It is a process involving neurons.

@hanntonn2

2 жыл бұрын

@@dertechl6628 neurons only produces electrical signals. They don't produce consciousness. You can't have a sum of a multitude of unconscious cells that is collectively conscious. If they're individually unconscious, they're collectively unconscious too. The only solution to this is that what is conscious is immaterial, a spiritual being not connected to any specific part of our brains, but to its entirety.

@dertechl6628

2 жыл бұрын

@@hanntonn2 Consciousness is the process of neurons activating and deactivating. We can map conscious events to neuronal activity and vice versa. There is no evidence for any immaterial.

@hanntonn2

2 жыл бұрын

@@dertechl6628 So a process that is the result of blind evolution is telling me that consciousness is just a process of neurons activating and deactivating. And I'm supposed to believe there is any kind of objective intelligence in that process. Talk about lack of self-awareness.

@dertechl6628

2 жыл бұрын

@@hanntonn2 That's all we know. Proposing the 'immaterial' without any concept of what that actually is and without evidence is not useful. Or can you define 'immaterial'?

Red Pen Logic... I'm an Atheist and I like what you are doing. Bad logic is bad logic and should be called out. However, you did say something that caught my attention at 2:51 you seem to imply that Atheists are Materialists by default. If that is what you meant, it's incorrect. Materialism makes the claim _"the material is all that exists"_ Many Atheists such as myself makes no such claim. I don't see any convincing evidence for the immaterial. *However* I also don't see any convincing evidence against it. If you did NOT mean to imply Atheists are also Materialists by default, then please ignore everything I just said. *Either way I'm subscribing*

@garyleemusic

4 жыл бұрын

He did mention that there are atheist philosophers that believe that immaterial things exist.

@RedPenLogic

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed! I hope people don't take the video to mean that all atheists are materials. You're right, "bad logic is bad logic" no matter who is using it. My plan is to Red Pen some believer's who use bad logic as well. Stay tuned for that!

@username82765

4 жыл бұрын

@@garyleemusic I must have missed it. Can you give a me the time stamps.

@BibleBreakout

4 жыл бұрын

As a Christian and someone who studied apologetics in seminary - I'd add that everybody, BY NECESSITY, requires circular reasoning with all basic arguments. We can't escape it. Christian: Why is the Bible the word of God? Because it says so. Atheist: Why is materialism the most reasonable approach? Because it's the most rational response.

@haileydurham8859

4 жыл бұрын

Bible Breakout Your comment interests me. As someone who has not been through seminary school, I understand fundamentally that the Bible claims itself to be true internally, but also proves itself to be true externally. So I’m wondering how that applies to circular reasoning?

YES ! You're on to a winner. Do more (please).

1. I'm really glad I found this channel, keep up the good work. 2. Anyone ever tell you that you look like Nice Peter from ERB?

@RedPenLogic

4 жыл бұрын

1. Welcome aboard! 2. No, but I just looked him up and it was like looking in a mirror. :)

They just don't realize that foolishness IS illegal: [9] *The thought of foolishness is sin* : and the scorner is an abomination to men. Proverbs 24:9

But...but... SKYDADDY!!! ;)

@bassmanjr100

4 жыл бұрын

Haw, haw, haw. Oh man...Nice one dude!!! 👍

@DanielApologetics

4 жыл бұрын

@@bassmanjr100 - Mate, before I saw the playlist on your channel, I thought you were an angry atheist who did not get like my skydaddy-joke. Never seen anyone write haw, haw, haw, before =) I learn everyday. Lord bless you

@bassmanjr100

4 жыл бұрын

@@DanielApologetics It is hard to tell parody from reality these days. For some reason I thought Haw was better than Ha!

@DanielApologetics

4 жыл бұрын

@@bassmanjr100 True. And you almost had me there!

@devarim6239

4 жыл бұрын

God is nothing but made up

Your content is OUTSTANDING. 🙌👍

You rock Tim. I shared it on FB.

You're a great new find!! Mike Winger sent me to your channel..you got a new subscriber =) God bless 💜💜💜

@RedPenLogic

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Thank you!

Came over from Mike Winger’s shoutout! Great work, definitely subbing!

@chrisfrezza1449

4 жыл бұрын

Me too!

@RedPenLogic

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the sub! Really appreciate the support.

@djdiener4673

4 жыл бұрын

Me three!

wooowww you will gain so many subs if you keep this up. Very good video, i subscribed!

Need more videos. This is very enjoyable

Another great 2 Corinthians 10:5 video. Where were you in all my schooling years Mr. B? You would've helped changed my life at a very early age...but I'm so grateful for all that can benefit from your Red Pen now. Thank you! 🙂

@RedPenLogic

4 жыл бұрын

Wow, thank you! I appreciate these sweet words, Tito!

Honestly if you think about the belief in an immaterial God makes perfect sense. We know that cells were neither CREATED nor destroyed. Science may have theories but no definite fact of where they came from. The most reasonable conclusion I can think of is that and immaterial God made those (material) cells to come about.

@RyanHarville

2 жыл бұрын

Careful, you're making too much sense.

YES I LIKE THIS. LEARNING HOW TO AGRUE AND DEFEND YOUR POSITION IS SO IMPORTANT

More more! Love this series!

@RedPenLogic

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Got-damn. Only 2 vids uploaded and 2 thousand subs already? How did that happen?

@RedPenLogic

4 жыл бұрын

Getting close to 3 thousand subs. And I have no idea!

The fact that we still have to explain this... no words. 😒

@DerMelodist

4 жыл бұрын

No words, but red pen.

There's no better reason to not believe God exists than the complete lack of credible evidence that God exists.

@TheCljohnso21

4 жыл бұрын

What type of credible evidence would prove existence, iyo?

@NeoDemocedes

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheCljohnso21 That's a hard question to answer without a specific claim. What is the nature of the God we are investigating? For example: A personal God that is active in our lives and is benevolent to Humans should be undeniably obvious to everyone. I would expect to see good things happening to good people almost exclusively, and perhaps even bad things happening to bad people. Obvious displays of God magic would certainly work too. At a minimum, if theist's claims were consistently verified, instead of debunked that would help greatly. If I personally witnessed miracles, fulfilled prophesy, laying of hands, actual angels, demons or if such events were well documented by objective sources that would help. Again, it's hard to be specific without a specific claim to evaluate.

@richwheeler-iphone5263

4 жыл бұрын

NeoDemocedes The problem with your list is that you judge people good and bad according to your own preferences instead of against the Creator’s standard, and then assume that the Creator is under obligation to the created.

@richwheeler-iphone5263

4 жыл бұрын

When you say “credible,” you admit that you judge evidence prejudicially to create a circular argument for rejecting further evidence.

Pretty cool format !!

@RedPenLogic

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Also when God was incarnated in Jesus, he was made of flesh

So ready to impugn atheism. Yet no self-reflection. "Immaterial being" is just as silly as a married bachelor. Listen to this flawed thinking: "Philosophers...routinely speak of real things that are not made of material like reasoning and argument...and logical fallacies." Sorry, Red. You just committed a logical fallacy. The examples you mentioned are indeed not material but _neither are they beings!_ A thousand gods have arisen in the past and now reside in the graveyard of gods. Is their universal skill at hiding just a coincidence or is remaining hidden a necessary practice of all gods? Scores of physical phenomena have been blamed on gods or "supernatural" forces only to be found to have better natural explanations e.g. the sun, moon, planets and stars, lightning, earthquakes, volcanoes, eclipses, comets, the aurora, droughts, floods, twins, plagues, glowing seas, the wind, the rain, blue & green eyes, white skin, blonde hair, red hair, various maladies, stillbirths, the seasons etc. Loads of supernatural explanations have given way to natural ones. Never has it gone the other way. Not once! Furthermore, all gods show the signs of human creation, from the god/goat hybrid Pan to the god/elephant hybrid Ganesha to the god/ape hybrid Jesus and the "male" god Yahweh. According to Red, God has "no mass; no form; no pieces that need to be put together..." Yeah, same as ghosts. Is it rational to lack belief or to disbelieve in ghosts? Yes? Then why not gods? What's the difference? Here is how Red's god is variously described. God is "immaterial." So is nothing. He "has no mass." Same with nothing. He has "no form." Ditto with nothing. God is not made of "pieces that need to be put together" and is "not extended in space." Same with nothing. The only positive quality mentioned is that Red's god is "a spirit." That's just assuming what you wish to demonstrate i.e. circular reasoning. Faith-heads like Red don't get it. In their minds Naturalism is a religion like theirs and Naturalists are as closed-minded and faith-driven they are. What stupid nonsense! In truth, I can go on for _days_ naming hypothetical observations; discoveries; occurrences that would compel me to admit that belief in a god _is_ rational. If Red - or any faith-head - prays to their god or gods for the power to walk on water; run 100 MPH, float through the air; free-dive two miles down; see just fine through a blindfold; regrow amputated limbs with healing touch; master a foreign language instantly; turn water into wine - and they do - I'm sold. That wouldn't really "prove" anything more than the acquisition of an extraordinary ability but it _would_ rationally justify belief in a god or gods until and unless a natural explanation is found. I could name _thousands_ of such examples. But invite Red - or any faith-head - to pony up a _brief_ list of _purely hypothetical_ observations; discoveries; occurrences that would compel them to admit that atheism is the rational choice and...crickets! There's your faith!

@nathanrumpf5660

4 жыл бұрын

He did not say that his examples of immaterial things were beings. He just used them as evidence that even "materialists" use immaterial concepts.

First time I've seen your content. Subscribed. 👍

I like it, subbed. Very concise and shall we say... *logical*

Awesome bro! Good job 👍🏾 👏🏽

the funny and interesting thing on Madonna's Material Girl. is that the materialistic people loses.

Thank you for your videos!

Hey dude, nice format. The second part about circular reasoning sounded a bit shaky, but as a whole I think you did good. Love seeing the problems with atheist reasoning on twitter. The Bible quoting was a bit odd tho, you should consider using that less. If you’re not careful you may become guilty of circular reasoning yourself at some point.

Great video, great points

Great vid!!! 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

This is awesome. My new favorite channel. Super funny & interesting.

@RedPenLogic

4 жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard!

The third question doesn't even make sense for material things. People believed in the existence of trees long before they understood cellular structures, or atoms, or subatomic particles... Their belief in trees was not inferior to ours just because we understand a bit better the material the tree is made of.

You got a new subscriber love this channel 😎👌

Such great videos you have!!! ♥️♥️♥️♥️

@RedPenLogic

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you like them!

Another great video! Keep it up!

@RedPenLogic

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks again!

My Father was an NYPD Cop. During his twenty-five year career, every person he dealt with that was facing immanent death, called out to two beings, their Mommy and God. As they say, there is not Atheist in Foxholes.

Please continue this video , this will surely help me debating some atheists friends

To paraphrase the Parable of the Invisible Gardener, "What's the difference between a spaceless, timeless, immaterial gardener and no gardener at all?"

TL;DR. Take this statement replace "God" with "Logical fallacy" and that's my answer

If objective moral truths are immaterial, then what are they made of? If they aren’t made of material, then do they exist? How do many people believe in moral truths but can’t describe what they’re made of?

If this channel only has two videos, then how am I to binge watch everything for the next five hours?

@LoveYourNeighbour.

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry, I don't mean to rub it in.But I just discovered this channel TODAY, and I intend to binge watch for the next two hours LOL.

I really got the meme that says, «Godzilla had a stroke reading this», in my head when I read the questions.😅

Already one of my favorite channels

@RedPenLogic

4 жыл бұрын

Merci beaucoup!

@TandemSix

4 жыл бұрын

@@RedPenLogic avec plaisir (I don't know much french*)

Great job!