That was really a very informative discussion. Without me being biased both speakers were very logical & rational.

Thank you Ayyaz

Amazing discussion, both speakers were respectful and brought many valid points, Ayyaz Khan surprised me, I think he made a lot of sense, I look forward for other discussions like this

@asifiqbal9680

6 ай бұрын

Yes, I totally agree with you. Please find out more about Ahmadiyya Muslim Community.

The only positive thing I can say is that ahmadiyah Muslims tend to be more peaceful

@AshiqeRasooleKareem

3 жыл бұрын

We are peaceful becouse we have all proves so we don't need hands to fight we use our brain and mouth to fight. If you need more information about Ahmadiyya you should visit alislam.org or otherwise I'm here to help

@aliahmedmir913

3 жыл бұрын

@@AshiqeRasooleKareem lol freakin murtad. Ahmadis are not allowed in Makkah Medina or any holy place . You think you know Arabic more than Arabic ppl lol . Ignorant .

@AshiqeRasooleKareem

3 жыл бұрын

@@aliahmedmir913 so Funny. Do you know a little bit og history of Islam. Holy PROPHET ﷺ was not allowed in mekka for a long period. So do ahmadies not allowed for some time insha'Allah when time will come we will enter like Fateh mekka. It's our challenge till now if any arab want to accept the challenge come and write a book in better Arabic then we will share some parts of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (عَلَيْهِ ٱلسَّلَامُ)'s books and that Arab'S book and any scholar have to separate them by Which one's Arabic is better. Is Mirza Sahib (عَلَيْهِ ٱلسَّلَامُ) book is not better than Arabs arabic books then we will now follow him. No one ever accepted this challenge. Dear friend brother. We never force anyone to join Ahmadiyyat we explain them our belives then we ask them to pray. ALLAH ﷻ guides people. And I ask you the same just pray from ALLAH he will guide you.

@sbasha7

3 жыл бұрын

@@AshiqeRasooleKareem OMG STFU no one cares about qadianis. You're not muslim, stop calling yourself one!

@AshiqeRasooleKareem

3 жыл бұрын

@@sbasha7 Holy PROPHET Muhammad of Arab ﷺ called us Muslim. ALLAH ﷻ talk to us if we pray and do good deeds we can talk to ALLAH directly as a friend. As I have experience myself. He ALLAH himself said we are like Sahaba best Muslims. Who are you now greater than Holy PROPHET ﷺ or higher than God ALLAH ﷻ. It's just about time brother if you pray for truth about Islam Ahmadiyyat you'll see the truth. Anyways time is comming soon when Qadiyanies will be all over the world those who join now and start working and start sacrificing will be great People in near future. Otherwise when everyone will see the truth then mostly everyone will accept the right path. And challenges are still there about Arabic. If anyone can accept then come. I will leave Jamaat today if you win the challenge.

Beautiful dialogues by Mr Ayaz

Respect each other and then you can get the best Results .

Great explanation from Ayyaz Mahmood Khan. The prophecies are very clear and cant be ignored.

Thumbs up @ Ayyaz . Very articulate. Masha Allah.

Such an eye opening and mutual understanding discussion. both speakers are matured and intellectual mashaAllah

@skewCZ

9 жыл бұрын

+Kazeem Muinat Agreed. It is much more refreshing than listening to people who are only interested in "winning" a debate and peddeling their world-view (a lot of christians apologists, such as W. L. Craig or Frank Turek, Hamza Tzortzis for muslims, and David Silverman or even Christopher Hitchens for atheists).

@zariftahmid9854

Жыл бұрын

Is both of them Muslim

Ayaz Khan made some very interesting points for the existence of God.

Ayaz argument in terms of content and logic are perfect, exact and to the point.

@Sherloqc

4 жыл бұрын

That's a joke, right?

@sisyphushappy5200

Жыл бұрын

@@Sherloqc No it's tribalism whereby we side with people not based on their reasoning but on how much their conclusions agree with our beliefs.

"Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors." (Quran 5.32)

A point to keep in mind: prophecies need not be about human actions (which may give you worry that someone knew of the prophecy and purposely fulfilled it); they can also be about events not controlled by people. You can prophesy a natural disaster, an influenza outbreak, the discovery of some species, etc.

@JimTaylor42

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. I think that this was a trick missed for the Atheist case. For otherwise, as you explain, prophecies, by virtue of some not being fulfilled YET, are in-falsifiable and therefore all prophecies are invalid. I submit that it is a virtual impossibility to retrospectively prove that a fulfilled prophecy be false.

@mariarauf3280

Жыл бұрын

Hazrat Mirza ghulam ahmad also prophesied about events not controlled by people

@samhereforyou

10 ай бұрын

Not true. as if it's told that this event is going to happen within certain amount of years, it's falsifiable and that's what the Ahmadiyya Muslims Community founder Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) did many times and was never wrong even once!@@JimTaylor42

The arguments presented by Ayyaz are in actuality the arguments of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) very powerful.

To Arif: consider the number pi. Does it exist? If you say, it's obvious pi= C/d!! But it's still, which number it is? Some might say pi=3.1, some pi=3.14, some pi= 3.141 and some pi=3.1415... I might still argue it's still not specific enough...even if as today we have arrived at trillion digits after 3! Accepting that there exists a number like pi, even how unspecific it is, is analogous to satge 1 in religion i.e accepting that there is a God based on some sort of evidence or rationality. Stage 2 consists of making that perception/intution a certainty like in trying to approximate the value pi to ever and ever greater degrees of accuracy. It is the same with God, Who is infinite, we approach Him in degrees- we go from levels to levels of certainty and it's an infinite journey...

@Dr.Ian-Plect

2 ай бұрын

utter tripe

I like this atheist even though I'm a theist only if the people commenting were as civilised humanity would be better for it.

@Peace4everynation

9 жыл бұрын

Adam Kaan Personally, I find Ayyaz far more civilised and polite in his presentation and answers. Perhaps you have difficulty liking Ahmadi Muslims because of all the lies you've heard on them that are peddled by Mullahs and Sheikhs on the Gulf State payroll around the world.

@AtheistBulldozer

9 жыл бұрын

Peace4everynation I just want to point out that people like you who think your some kind of underdog, your not. The guy said he enjoyed the atheist speaker as a theist, which has nothing to do with islam what so ever. You have no reason to say he didn't enjoy Ayyaz, you have no evidence you got nothing to back up what you said; it was clearly about you thinking your some kind of underdog because what? Your muslim? Guess what bruv, I'm a humanist, seeing people suffering in the world upsets me, their religion or race is irrelevant.

@Peace4everynation

9 жыл бұрын

Which is why I said "perhaps". You know very little about the way some hardline Muslims hate Ahmadi Muslims. Judging by his favourite videos, I'm not expecting much love from him.

@AdamKaan

9 жыл бұрын

***** thank you!

@AdamKaan

9 жыл бұрын

Peace4everynation which ones? I don't consider myself sectarian even though I may disagree with someone I don't see it as my duty to force my beliefs on others to the contrary I detest it. There is no compulsion in religion (Qur'an)

I hear the old textbook logical fallacy here - the genetic fallacy, which tries to invalidate someone's belief based upon how they arrived at that belief. For example, it matters not that I discovered that the world is round while reading a comic book. That in no way proves that such a belief is false simply because I might have discovered it in such a simple manner. The same thing can be said about belief in Christianity or a theistic understanding. Whether my parents taught me this, if I learned it in Sunday School, if someone gave me a book written by a Christian author, or if I discovered Christianity by reading about the works of Christ in the New Testament, or whatever other way I might have come to that conclusion, how I arrived at it does nothing to disprove it. Truth stands upon its own merit not by how one has discovered it.

@Oskar1000

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn't mean it is false. But it means you are not justified. So you should adjust your credence back to what it was before you read the information.

1:00:00 - :1:07:00 The whole discussion of prophecy is fraught, but his point at 1:07:48 is PRECISELY the problem people have with most claims for prophecy, particularly from Abrahamic religion. He's RIGHT that saying "That guy is going to walk down here and shake my hand" would not classify as prophecy because that guy could walk down and do that, and no divine intervention is required. Someone could decide to do that for other reasons, including in order to appear to support the prophecy to bolster Dr Ahmed's claim. So it is with the Quran's claim to endurance, or it's claim to be memorisable, or the Bible's claim of Israel's enemies being overthrown at time of history, or whatever. These are not predictions but vague claims, and indeed claims that are of a certain nature that incentivises people attempting to fulfill them themselves. They are self-fulling. This is a problem because, barring something clearly supernatural and specific like "tomorrow at 9:00am GMT everyone's skin will turn inside out for 42 minutes and then go back to normal", virtually all possible prophecy is potentially susceptible to this problem. If there is any such doubt about a prophecy, it becomes unable to stand as a proof of a deity. But to be honest, I think prophecy is a much less useful indicator in principle than, say, God simply imparting information. A treatise on special relativity would be great, even if it did take centuries before anyone could make actual sense of it. That would at the very least indicate the source for these texts was not human. And with any prophecy, we also have to establish a critical text to be sure that all elements of the given prophecy really do pre date the events they have been interpreted to fulfill. For both the Quran and the Old Testament that can get extremely sketchy in several places, for different kinds of reasons.

@FakingANerve

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly! 👏👏👏

@mariarauf3280

Жыл бұрын

His prophecy about the ww1 was pretty specific

1:29:26 "let's take god out of the equation, there'd still be suffering..." Precisely! Ayyaz seems to be struggling with Arif's Bayesian framework for hypothesis testing...

At 1:20:47 and beyond the prophecies made by prophets of future events, what is neglected is the fact that most prophets come in fulfillment of prophecies foretelling their coming. So that in itself is one source of evidence.

@indipacifician3693

11 ай бұрын

oh so if i predict twenty years from now on there will be water shortage will you consider me a prophet or someone with commonsense?

@foodiez

11 ай бұрын

​@@indipacifician3693 Hehehe you are funy. That's not a prophecy, you are making a projection or an estimation. Scientists can do that too (e.g climate change, drought etc). A prophet claims to be a prophet because of a revelation sent by God. In Islam, we are taught that there are 124,000 prophets sent to the entire world (including Chinese prophets, African prophets, Indigenous prophets etc). A fake prophet can also claim to be a prophet and one can tell from their fate/ their prophecies whether or not they are truthful. Also, many prophecies can be cross checked. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said that there will come a time when there will be flying devices with large wings and people will sit inside this thing and yet not get hurt. It says that it will travel very fast. This is a prophecy from the 7th century. Also, he said that there will come a time when men will turn into women and women into men..(i.e the growing trans movement). These are modern phenomenon he could not have known. Oh also, he prophecized the discovery of the Big Bang and the expansion of the universe. These are the type of prophecies I am talking about, by an illiterate man in the middle of the desert.

So believe in God you have nothing to loose. So the Muslim speaker just re-told a very old argument in 20 minutes, what a waste of time. PLUS the donkey thing!!! Show me me this in the Ko2an or a7adeeth

I'm less than 5 minutes in and already the moderator is making me want to vomit. The whole "I've got everyone pegged, people of all views and stances are so narrow minded, but not _me_, _I'm_ different, _I'm_ above all that..." - oh, shut up. You're not smarter or more intelligent than other people just because you've been to places like Syria, and just because you refuse to take stance on anything lest you be pigeonholed into a category. The whole 'summing up how everyone else thinks' thing, to make yourself feel like you're 'above' them all, is pathetic, and goes completely against the supposed 'intellectual' stance you're trying to take.

Ayyaz claim that prophecies can't be specific is just false. What he actually wants to do is avoid self fulfilling prophecies, but that has nothing to do with specificity - just whether it's feasible for someone to read the prophecy and then go out and fulfill it himself. For example, this is a highly specific prophecy that would impress me: "On September 4th, 2023 a man will be born who can levitate with the power of his mind." Highly specific and completely impossible to fake. However, a major problem with prophecy in general is that unless the event in question is magical in nature, it usually can be faked - or at least it will be very hard to rule out both that the writer couldn't know X and that X wasn't performed by someone on purpose, and if you can't rule it out with enormous confidence, then the "prophecy" will of course not be evidence for the existence of a being whose existence might be impossible to begin with. And if the event is magical, then you probably wouldn't need the prophecy to convince people to begin with.

@Peace4everynation

9 жыл бұрын

Gnomefro Here we have an illiterate man in the desert of 7th Century Arabia saying that in the future, Christian nations divided into two blocks will rule over other nations, and that they will have a gigantic "donkey" that will be hairless and shiny like the moon, that will carry people in its belly, consume fire instead of grass, jump from East to West, travel as fast as wind-driven clouds, announce its departure, contain several openings and lamps, have something like the moon on its forehead, have a distance of forty cubits between the tips of its "ears"... and you think he could make that up? What is the mathematical probability that he could get all those details right? Even less probable, when his society hadn't even seen a bicycle. The airplane is possibly one of the most amazing inventions of Mankind, and that prophecy is fantastic! Yet you want something more specific? And you ask for something - levitation - that defies science!!! Do you think that's reasonable and consider believers deluded?

@Peace4everynation

9 жыл бұрын

***** You claim to know better what he "would have done"? Excuse me for saying that that's quite childish! Also, if he had said "flying boats" or "flying ships", you would then have run off to find some other flimsy excuse to reject the prophecy anyway! So don't insult our intelligence by making us pass for people who don't know that whatever we say, you have already made your mind up. Instead, you should be honest and just say you don't want to discuss anything as your mind has already been set in stone. In that way, you'll save us our time.

@Peace4everynation

9 жыл бұрын

Well, I've actually tested the prophecy on classes of five and six year olds. I simply told them: Here's a riddle, and then read out the details of the prophecy without giving them any hints to what it might mean. Invariably, they suggested: "I know, it's an aeroplane!" within three minutes. That suggests to me that the Prophet's analogy was very successful. It was meant to be understood by people of our modern era, and it is. Some people will continue to object, whatever we throw at them. They'll find all their answers after death, I guess.

@Peace4everynation

9 жыл бұрын

***** Is that all you've got?

@maliku1803

9 жыл бұрын

I belong to the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, and I am one of those who has seen dreams which have come true literally in my lifetime. This is the blessing of being a follower of the Messiah of the age, foretold by Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and past prophets: In 2004 I saw a dream there would be war in Libya, then Syria, then world war 3, then after these events, I saw people coming together and singing beautifully, "Laailaaha Illallah Muhammadar Rasoolullah". "There is none worthy of worship except Allah, and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah". I have no doubt in my mind that the remainder of this dream will come true. I was totally unaware that there could be war in these areas, I honestly didn't even know where Libya was on the map. I was uninterested in politics. Yet, God showed me this dream and I swear on my life, that this is true!! I am surprized no one took on Ayaaz Sahib's challenge of prayer. That would be a perfect chance to prove those who believe in God, wrong.

Belief in God is started and is promoted by Saints and Mystics and their disciples. There was no Jews before Abraham, No Christians before Christ, No Buddhists before Buddha, and No Sikhs before Nanak etc. God from a scientific perspective is taught to man by a man who knows God and he in return wants his followers to live a life according to higher principles and morals so that the society elevates itself from suffering. Such saints, mystics or prophets sets as an example for their disciples to follow. This is mans mental problem of ignoring the science that leads to enlightenment.

@muslimfundamentalist1410

3 жыл бұрын

That's quite conspiratorial of you saying that basically 99% of humanity who all believe in God only do so because they all have learned about God from Sains and whatnot. You are regurgitating old Atheist gibberish that has been debunked by recent anthropological studies showcasing that humans naturally believe in God without any societal interferance. It's only the conceptions of God that differ from one society to another, but pretty much all humanity accepts that there is a Creator behind this universe.

@thebones

3 жыл бұрын

@@muslimfundamentalist1410 'humans naturally believe in God '? In your echo chamber only. There are recently discovered and long untouched tribes scattered here and there throughout the rainforests of the world, who had no previous comprehension of any god. Your anthropologists must have missed those.

@muslimfundamentalist1410

3 жыл бұрын

@@thebones How quaint, ignoring modern anthropological studies just so that you can rehash the typical outdated Atheistic nonsensical conspiracies. We only follow science when it's about Darwinism am I right.

I don't think the comparisons make sense. No one says that dark matter answers prayers. So it doesn't matter that you can't see it. If your mom said you have a dad who created the world but I can't introduce you to him, you would want evidence.

Good to see Blackadder taking part in a debate.

Brilliant stuff from Ayyaz.

@saqibtahir

9 жыл бұрын

A primary school child can make better arguments than Moulvi Ayaz.

@10011011110

9 жыл бұрын

saqibtahir Have you done any debates? If so, please link them here. Otherwise, don't comment on someone's arguments which you cannot match.

@10011011110

9 жыл бұрын

+Oners82 and what makes it rubbish? Thanks for pointing out the obvious about expressing opinions. You must be a real scholar.

@10011011110

9 жыл бұрын

+Oners82 my point was that he should either say something constructive or keep his rude remarks to himself.

@redpillpusher

5 жыл бұрын

“BRILLIANT”???!!!!ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

Ayyaz is cool. But, can anyone tell me which verse in Quran tells us about donkeys with combustion engine and flying donkeys with 40 meter ears? Please help me find out.

@zaxeer

4 жыл бұрын

Its Hadees mentioned in Books of Hadees(Saying of Prophet PBUH). Not in Quran

A very myopic approach by Arif on his justifications of rejecting religion. One must remain within the laws that governs an entity rather then create your own laws for it and reject it! Mathematics, science are material laws and those who study it benefit. In the same why religion is the study of spiritual laws, in other words the moral laws. Believing in something and not acting upon it is of no use. Mathematics, science are the same no matter which part of the world you are. In the same way morality is the same. These only differ by those who do not study it but rather base it on their limited intellect. To benefit from anything one must be honest, impartial. If you accept a moral code that is diametrically apposed to the one presented by God it will have a negative affect on one’s progeny. Prophets are the law givers of morality, they were sent through the ages to educate mankind. Islam is the summit of religious evolution. All those who reject God have created their own god and hence reject this self created god because it is based on human intellect which is not without errors. Knowledge is never a waste if it is approached correctly and acted upon. LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE

1:39:11 - I'm honestly surprised by Ayyaz's take here. For him to say that there could be atheists in heaven, must it by extension mean that it's possible to sincerely rationalize Islam away in favor of another way of life and still receive God's mercy?

@muttahirahmedabsaar944

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, as Ayyaz mentioned, we can't judge anyone it is God who has the power to decide and bless you with countless bounties and blessings.

I was an Ahmedi Muslim by birth and preached this faith for many many years. Dr. Arif Ahmed is brilliant and Murrabi Ayaz was nothing but a typical mulla. Thanks Dr. Arif for confirming my journey out of superstition is the right decision.

@smhashimnasser5619

5 жыл бұрын

The fact that you have this on your profile description clearly shows why you've left Islam and Ahmadiyyat; "Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers.The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can praise them, disagree with them, quote them, disbelieve them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because they change things. They invent. They imagine. They heal. They explore. They create. They inspire. They push the human race forward. Maybe they have to be crazy. How else can you stare at an empty canvas and see a work of art? Or sit in silence and hear a song that's never been written? Or gaze at a red planet and see a laboratory on wheels? We make tools for these kinds of people. While some see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do." Namely that you don't enjoy rules.

This diatribe on prophecy is nothing short of a "Who's On First" routine. Nice try, bud, but you're jumping through some hilariously silly hoops, data-fitting, there to justify your specific interpretation. Prophecies that can only be verified ex post facto are not prophecies at all.

Arif Ahmed is a horrible shaver..

30:40 That depends what you mean by "directly observe" - things can be demonstrated, measured and investigated without "seeing" as such. We cannot see the air e.g. but it's existence can be demonstrated beyond any doubt. The same CANNOT BE SAID for the existence of a god or gods - that's the problem! All you've got is: "my book says so".

Did somebody forget that faith is faith? And that science is science? Neither one can prove, nor disprove the other.

The complexity of how the entire Earth and Universe is designed perfectly, as well as, the entirety of life on Earth and how and why we have the ability to think, feel emotions, grow and eat food etc. Is beyond human comprehension and no human being can explain this; it is clear evidence of the existence of God to think otherwise I believe that God has placed a seal on your heart

Why on earth would they pick a non Muslim to represent Islam? Ahmadiyya = objectively not islam. I am not a Saudi paid, takfiri isis fanboy. I'm a non Muslim speaking based on facts. Believing Jesus died in India = not Islam Believing Jesus died FULL STOP = not Islam Believing a prophet came after Muhammad = not Islam AHMADIYYA = NOT ISLAM Their leader is just one of many who've come after Muhammad, attempting to lead people astray from Islam as outlined in the Quran and the hadith.

@maliku1803

9 жыл бұрын

Touge Thrasher Such a weak point you have raised. I wonder where you are getting your facts. Where does it say in the Quran that Jesus is not dead and who gives you authority to say that Ahmadi's are non muslim??

@tougethrasher1764

9 жыл бұрын

Usman Malik How is it a weak point? It is a central belief of Islam that Muhammad is the final prophet, the seal of the prophets. Believing in one after him invalidates one's status as a muslim. Common sense. The Quran says Jesus was not crucified and was raised unto Allah instead. The Quran says Muhammad is the final prophet. If a religion doesn't hold these things to be true, it has left the fold of Islam.

@maliku1803

9 жыл бұрын

Touge Thrasher Which Islam are you talking about? That is not the teaching which Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) taught us. He says, a muslim is one who proclaims the Kalima, "There is none worthy of worship except Allah, and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah". This is what we recite, affirming that we are muslims!! So I don't know whose edict you are referring to. Our Islam is the Islam which prophet Muhammad taught us, not based on a consensus based off a group of differing Islamic thoughts, each considering eachother infidels. And you just falsified yourself, saying that one who believes in a prophet after invalidates himself as a muslim. Then on the other hand you say Jesus is still alive. Is he not a prophet who lives today after the prophet Muhammad according to muslims today? And you also answered your own question regarding Jesus.. He was not crucified, meaning he did not die on the cross, yet other verses confirm his natural death. That verse comes to mind, Muhammad was only a messenger of God, verily all messengers have passed away before him. And yes, Jesus is one of those messengers!! Jesus is said to be raised to Allah. Well, Prophet Idris has also mentioned as being raised to a lofty station. This means raised in spiritual status, not physical. No where in the Quran you can find this word used for physical rising. Lastly, Muhammad was the last law bearing prophet, the seal of propheets. Prophets under him can come, since he foretold the coming of the messiah, who would be a prophet after him. However, he would be subordinate to the Prophet of Islam. His purpose is only to reform Islam. To bring it back to the original teaching. This is the Ahmadiyya Muslim community. Peace!

@tougethrasher1764

9 жыл бұрын

Lol. Don't twist my words. You know by last prophet I meant the last to be sent. You're boring me. Your religion isn't Islam. Get over it.

@10011011110

9 жыл бұрын

***** If it is true that there are 8 groups in Ahmadiyyat, then: #1 Name all 8 groups #2 Give the name of Each Khalifa #3 Give a reason why each one differs from the other. There is only one Ahmadiyya Jamaat with a Caliph, while the other is specifically called Lahori Ahmadiyya which split because they don't accept Khilafat. You have 7 other groups to mention, so Lahori Ahmadis don't count. So what you've said is false until proven otherwise.

This argument is circular. I know this because the argument says "I am circular."

Interesting to compare the attitude of atheists on the degree of accuracy accepted in drugs-trials: 95% v/s 5% error or 99% v/s 1% error compared to the degree of specificities requested from proofs from religion (prophecies).

@khalisish

8 жыл бұрын

+Feder Schwert It's the inconsistency of ''scientific professionalism'' ie the inconsistent attitude which is irritating not the degree of accuracy in itself. The higher the degree of accuracy the better. But why do atheist scientists accept lower than 100% in many many cases to give credibility/rational possibility to their hypothesis but in the case of the God-hypothesis they request only 100% to go forward!? ie to investigate further.

Ayaz got into his own trap at 1:00:00 during the debate where he claimed if a single prophecy of Mirza Ghulam is proved to be not fulfilled then it will be enough evidence that his claim is false. I provide two examples: 1. His prophecy about death of Abdullah Atham by a specific date was not fulfilled as a result a large number of his followers abandoned him 2. His multiple prophecies about his marriage with a relative girl called Muhammadi Begum were never fulfilled This proves that not only his claims were false but also cast a serious doubt about the truthfulness of other such claimants of receiving revelation. Rest his most prophecies were very vague and a subject to interpretation by his followers.

@10011011110

9 жыл бұрын

saqibtahir #1 Abdullah Atham made terrible remarks about the Holy Prophet (saw) for which it was prophesied after that he should die within an allotted period of time if he did not repent. Abdullah Atham did repent and he did not die. The prophecy of his death was conditional, and so the condition was met that he did not die. Source: www.alislam.org/library/history/ahmadiyya/13.html #2 Muhammadi Begum was prophesied to either get married to the Promised Messiah (as), or if her father made her marry someone else, then her father would die if he did not repent and her husband would die if he did not repent. Her father did not repent to God so he did die within six months of the marriage, but her husband repented, and published in a newspaper after some years after the Promised Messiah's (as) death that he did not oppose the Promised Messiah (as) and considered him a righteous person. This also being a conditional prophecy was fulfilled as well. Source: www.alislam.org/books/truth/prophecy.html There is no vagueness about conditional prophecies, only a misunderstanding of them. Go to the link I posted if you want to know the full story.

@saqibtahir

9 жыл бұрын

Mirza sahib's writings are very clear about both prophecies. atham never repented and According to Seerat aL mehdi Mirza sahib prayed with his companions and waited for the news till last moment but his prophecy didn't fulfil. Regarding muhammadi Begum, the whole story is a complete shame. Mirza was pushing himself on the poor girl as if she was not a human but a piece of flesh. His prophecies are well published and the excuses you are making pathetic. Mirza's god made promises to him but failed to fulfil any.

@10011011110

9 жыл бұрын

saqibtahir Abdullah Atham's account can be read in Nuzul-al-Masih, where the Promised Messiah (as) himself explained everything regarding it. What you've said is a fabrication. As or Muhammadi Begum the Promised Messiah (as) said he had no desire to marry her, but the prophecy regarding her marriage was a sign from God which had to do with regards to her father, and had little to do with Muhammadi Begum herself. He already had a wife and he had children by that time already, and he was past 40 years of age already. And since his prophecies are well-published, I'd expect someone such as yourself to have learnt a little more about them.

@sherazkasi

9 жыл бұрын

saqibtahir The prophecies about Muhammadi Begum was fullfilled similar to the Prophecy of Hadhrad Yonus. every prophecy like these contains some condition that if they ask forgiveness of Allah than Allah Talah will forgive them. Also for your information that Muhammadi Begum progeny accepted Ahmadiyyat later on and they are well devoted Ahmadi Muslims. so if the prophecy would not be fulfil than how come the family would have accepted Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as a true Prophet of the time?

@saqibtahir

9 жыл бұрын

Atham didn't die within given timeframe. How can you say the prophecy was fulfilled. Same is the case of Muhammadi. The repeated prophecies that poor innocent underage girl will marry him, no matter what, never fulfilled. This whole story is nothing but a case of harassment by an old schizophrenic person that miserably failed to fulfil his lustful objective. Rest is all ifs and buts. These are two famous cases but there are many more. The whole point is that whenever a prophecy is made with specific detail it failed.

I don't care how civilized you are, if the theory of evolution is worth more to you than Jesus Christ, You're not in your right mind.

Ayaz was absolutely wrong when he denied existing of false claims made in Quran and Hadeeth. A very typical Mulla behaviour.

@10011011110

9 жыл бұрын

saqibtahir Just how was he wrong about that? If you believe in a document which has 100 statements, one of which is false, then you do not believe in the whole document, but only 99 statements of the document. You would say "I do not believe in this document, since it is not completely correct". You can only say you completely follow a document when all 100 statements are correct. The Promised Messiah (as) always challenged everyone that if he was found false in just one of his claims, then he is false. Anyone who challenged him was proven false for trying to prove him false. Without fail.

@saqibtahir

9 жыл бұрын

I left Ahmadiyya and Islam after thorough investigation of internal contradictions and false statements of Quran, hadeeth and mirza ghulam's books. Quran in particular is full of statements that have proven false. If you want I can debate with you on that subject on any forum.

@10011011110

9 жыл бұрын

saqibtahir You can debate with me here if you wish. What exactly did you investigate that made you think Islam was false? I'll be willing to discuss with you.

@NoxCii

9 жыл бұрын

saqibtahir ahmadiyya isnt islam anyways lol

@NoxCii

9 жыл бұрын

***** In youre dreams they are considered as kaafirs. Ahmaddiya is not part of islam but its a own religion

The fact that those words did not exist at that time is evidence for the against god not for you. Because had Muhammad been that specific you case would be won, and i would be a believer.

IN simple word.. Belief= just a belief.. Evidence = true..

@bittersweetmelancholy2742

8 жыл бұрын

+MrCitizenwarrior what is evidence? what if you can´t see it, but it´s still there?

@MrCitizenwarrior

8 жыл бұрын

bitter sweet melancholy to see in the sense of understanding things with a logic.. where u can question and your question should be answered.. that is called evidence ... Belief = it's told you to believe in it. without asking why ...

@bittersweetmelancholy2742

8 жыл бұрын

well you seem to believe in science without asking why.

@MrCitizenwarrior

8 жыл бұрын

bitter sweet melancholy i got my answer of why, that's why my belief is in science..

@E101ification

8 жыл бұрын

+bitter sweet melancholy Science works. That's the reason why.

1:05:00 Exactly. 1:07:00 "It can't be so specific that it is falsifiable" Then.....it's a vague, pointless prophecy......

04:29 Why SHOULD anyone evidence-based "spend more time listening" to anyone non-evidence-based?! Should a scientist "spend more time listening" to a flat-earther?!

How can we verify that whatever the “Ahmadi prophet” is claimed to have prophesied is actually said before the events had occurred and not something fabricated after his death to recruit and convert people to Ahmadiah?

@rahim9nine

10 ай бұрын

You can go by the date it was published and cross reference the dates

@sadiq7700

4 ай бұрын

Many of the prophecies were published by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad in newspapers and his books which were published and available for the public.

wouldn't believe in a flying elephant but this guy believes Muhammad flew Into heaven on a wing horse?

@iceman94713

7 жыл бұрын

Muhammad (saw) didn't fly into heaven on a winged horse.

@Reason_over_Dogma

7 жыл бұрын

Why do muslims differentiate on the claim? Some say he flew, others say it was just a vision.

@iceman94713

7 жыл бұрын

Because fact of the matter is it only was a vision according to the Quran and testimony of the people around at that time. To say he physically flew on a winged horse is against the natural law and order which God has created this world in.

@Reason_over_Dogma

7 жыл бұрын

Do you also take the splitting of the moon to be symbolic to? Some speculate that it was symbolic and it was talking about a crescent moon. Some believe it was literal split.

@iceman94713

7 жыл бұрын

the moon did not actually split into two pieces; rather, it appeared to spectators as if it had been rent asunder, by the power of God. It should be known that before the power of God, nothing is impossible. One who believes that this entire universe came into being by the Hand of God cannot show reluctance in believing, even for a moment, that if God Wills, He can annihilate the whole of it by a single command. However, as far as this occurrence is concerned the moon did not physically split.

The title of this debate is a non sequitur as atheism is not based on evidence, as atheist reject theist claims dur to the fact that they see no evidence for their claims. It is no better than saying atheism is a belief system even though it is all about unbelief.

If god does't exist then why can't scientists recreate the random sequence of event that occurred when life began according to atheists? especially with all the scientific knowledge we have today should be quite easy i would have thought.

@hereticmorte666

5 жыл бұрын

Not possible today, doesn't means not possible tomorrow. Have patience good sir.

@alikhan8014

5 жыл бұрын

@@hereticmorte666 😂 good luck, should have been done by now considering life was random and no thought process went in its design lol scientists must be really stupid then.

@iainrae6159

5 жыл бұрын

Do you believe in Darwinian evolution by natural selection and do you believe Angel's can talk in Arabic?

@alikhan8014

5 жыл бұрын

@@iainrae6159 I haven't read his theory's but i believe his theory's is based on observations so if theres concrete evidence on it i don't have a problem believing it. Not sure how this links in with angels speaking Arabic and why it matters?

@iainrae6159

5 жыл бұрын

@@alikhan8014 Darwin's evolution by natural selection is worth a read and is now accepted as fact . As I understand it Muslims believes that an angel spoke to Mohamad in Arabic. Highly likely this is not a fact but wishful thinking.

loved brother ayyaz's spiel, 10/10

@saqibtahir

9 жыл бұрын

You must be living in a fools paradize.

@saqibtahir

9 жыл бұрын

Ayaz and his master Mirzas fly in Dajjal's donkey all the times.

@10011011110

9 жыл бұрын

saqibtahir And how is this an objection? Have you or any of your family members used a car, train, plane, bus, etc? You've used Dajjal's donkey as well. An object is not evil in and of itself. The donkey of Dajjal is just a form of transportation. It can be used for good or evil. Your logic is like someone saying grapes are Haram because wine is made from it. So someone should be rebuked for eating grapes since they are potentially used for bad? (read Qur'an verse 16:68)

@saqibtahir

9 жыл бұрын

On one hand you claim to destroying Dajjal i.e. Western civilization and on the other you are begging refuge from the same dajjal and love to ride his donkey(s). What an Irony.

@10011011110

9 жыл бұрын

saqibtahir While I have been arguing against the Dajjal and have been helping Islam by presenting arguments in support of it, you're sitting on the computer, which is also a device concocted by the Dajjal and are using it to spread hatred about the very Messiah who has written over 100 volumes of books and countless articles to stop the Dajjal. If you're so disgusted with the donkey of Dajjal then take a horse carriage. You can wait for your mythical version of Dajjal while I actually defend Islam.

Hello EveryOne: Whole concept of religion held by Dr Arif is wrong; and based on that wrong concept an utter invalid argument has been presented. Consider, for an example, politics and economics, they have developed as human mind and societies have developed. Namely, development of human mind and societies makes development of economics and politics inevitable. That's to say, it's not a matter of choice to have or not to have politics and economics; for, human societies cannot exist without leaderships, and leaderships cannot exists without having some sort of political system. Similarly, as agrarian societies started developing, development of economies became inevitable; and so development of market. By the same token, as human mind and societies started developing, development of religions became inevitable; and that's why over 80% of the world population is religious. What one can conclude is that, the universe is a system; and every system has a logic behavior, or pattern of behavior. This is the most convincing scientific evidence that religions are true. Therefore, Dr Arif, your whole argument that religions are false is absurd. Now, the question is whether God exists, or not; but that's another argument which I forego doing here now.

can Anybody give me a equation to find god😀. No we can't prove it something to feel I think

@shahzadahamad4698

2 жыл бұрын

@@beautifullife7480 👍

Ahmed is clumsy!! He even forgot to shave the rest of the back part of his beard!

Then why wasn't there prophecies that were out of human hands to control,such as in nature ect,then they could be very specific. I think if they were from a god they should be easily arranged to be convincing to everybody, ,and you wouldn't be having these arguments about their "truth".

The conversation about prophecies was torture! Aayaz repeats the same point over and over but can’t seem to recognise there is no such thing as a false prophecy when all you need to do as a religious believer is say that the prophecy is yet to be fulfilled.

@khamzicrz

3 ай бұрын

Well what do you expect? All prophecies to be fulfilled at once? Why dont we look at the prophecies that have been fulfilled already?

@GarySinghgsin3725

3 ай бұрын

@@khamzicrz I could make dozens of prophecies and give it long enough some may come true. Pointing to some that have come true doesn’t prove anything. Failing to get any wrong is the real test.

So the alleged god knows that prophecy is a crappy way to prove his existence but he still uses it and hasn’t got a better way, although he is all mighty, omnipotent, omnipotent?

@kdog5003

3 жыл бұрын

What do you want from him seeking God is about wanting sacrefice not attainment of anything

Mr. Khan claims inference is one of the lowest kinds of evidence and than proceeds to say he thinks the best evidence is revelation... in other words witness account... which by any standard even less reliable than inference. The part on prophecies is quite weak...

How I know when a theist is going to start spilling bullshit: "Well, what do we *mean* by evidence, really?"

@drew2fast489

7 жыл бұрын

Sutra Stevens That question must be asked in order to answer it properly. If you ask a philosophical question, then start demanding scientific evidence, that's a problem.

Irrelevent title, what next, "Horses or Fairies: Which is Evidence Based?"

If so then why preach Islam..let others decide what to believe and what to do as long as they are good han being.

@smhashimnasser5619

5 жыл бұрын

Preaching is a way of giving a message. Once the message is delivered it is up to the individual to decide whether or not to accept the message. No one is forcing you to believe

Don't fulfill future claims but have been made in advance!!! And yet the conversation continues

So two sincere people ask God for confirmation. One feels something, the other doesn't. What does thar prove?

@khalisish

9 жыл бұрын

+Oners82 If they are sincere God should answer both but are we really sincere in our search? and do we really want God?

@khalisish

9 жыл бұрын

+Oners82 But can we really show the above hypothesis happenned in reality? It's just hypothetical. If we can show have perfectly similar situations, then obviously the response should be same. But are there in reality such cases?

@khalisish

9 жыл бұрын

Of course there are? For example?

@khalisish

9 жыл бұрын

+Yaqub Ali 1. Fulfilment of prophecies goes to the credit of whoever is feeding the prophet with it. 2. Along it shows also Its/His/Her power. 3. If the prophecies are fulfilled, we can't deny the prophet's claim about who fed him with that knowledge, whoever or whatever He/IT is.

@khalisish

9 жыл бұрын

It is often said that Knowledge is Power. Absolute Knowledge is Absolute Power. Foreknowledge is impossible unless one has impossible powers. Not even aliens can do this nor any other creature in this universe can know the future for sure. This is why we associate foreknowledge with the divine only and nothing else. And whoever demonstrates this, can only come from someone who is the real God.

Another unfortunate thing . . The Muslim guy is confusing Baha2ee belief with Islam

@M-Thee

Жыл бұрын

Again you are making this assumption based on lack of knowledge, study the books of Hazrat Mirza Gulham Ahmad(as)

While I would really love to see a double-blind independently run prayer study be done, my gut tells me that Ahmadiyya Muslim leadership will have since vetoed the brave and sincere offer from Ayyaz Mahmood Khan on behalf of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. See time index 1:54:10 to 1:55:30 of this debate for the relevant clip. If I am wrong, I would be happy to be corrected and to learn that the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is actively following up on getting a prayer study done. In the past, such studies have been done and failed. I've referenced one in a past tweet: twitter.com/ReasonOnFaith/status/816066019433283584. Since Ahmadiyyat places a lot of emphasis on prayer being the way we attain that certainty, and that God still speaks to man, etc. -- it would be an odd thing if a scientifically sound prayer study was _not_ pursued by this religious community. The theist and atheist communities should work together to promote this idea and facilitate making it happen. Let's do this!

@wasilahmad3715

6 жыл бұрын

applied in 1902 by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. claimed that people of his community will be saved from plague (1896-1914) without vaccination. www.alislam.org/library/books/Noahs-Ark-Kashti-Nuh.pdf

@ReasononFaith

3 жыл бұрын

@@wasilahmad3715 I do find the Plague to be a very suspect issue with Ahmadiyya Islamic theology. This post explores some of the problems with the Plague prophecy and shifting of goal posts. More posts in that series are coming: old.reddit.com/r/islam_ahmadiyya/comments/nd1ynr/plague_and_covid19_the_devastation_of_plague_in/

Damn! Look at Dr Arif Ahmed’s beard the ways it’s trimmed.

Please change the video title to "Atheism or Ahmadism"!

StopSpamming1

First time I had doubts is when I learned Jesus and Moses were phrophets, sounded fishy, sounded like an inclusive tactic to convert existing worshippers to your new religion

@theodorebunae9403

3 жыл бұрын

I hope you're well. The thing is that we Muslims believe In evedy single prophet or main figure in every religion. Muhammad, Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Noah , lot Krishna, Buddha peace be upon all of them. All prophets came to reform and guide man back to God. But Muhammad pbuh came to unite all of mankind back to God once they all reached a reasonable level of intellect, mental capacity and then they had clear signs in their Holy Books.

48:44 - "Oh god, if there is a god... then manifest yourself to me through some sign; communicate with me." Hmm...nothing happened. Guess that's settled.

@Salman.x.ahmad.

3 жыл бұрын

u didnt do what he said, now shut up

@punnet2

3 жыл бұрын

@@Salman.x.ahmad. His god didn't do anything. Get your god to manifest itself and communicate, or _you_ shut up. سلام

Ahmed is a real scruffy chap.

@iainrae6159

5 жыл бұрын

Dr Arif is handsome and women find him' hot '. Also has a fine intellect and courteous with his religious opponents.

Give me twenty minutes please. I will change the world with universal truth and reality.

@randomblueguy

3 жыл бұрын

This is 5 years late but you have all the time you need to type out a reply here. I suspect you’re a theist because atheists are more humble than going around claiming they possess universal truth and reality, so convince me of your truth and reality. I’m an agnostic atheist. Take your time.

By his analogy of donkey, one is deducing that, since donkeys have two openings, the mouth can for all its intentions and purpose, have the same function as an ____.

The Evidence he mentions, would have become 100% more ascertainable if Muhammad would have called them not Donkeys , but i dont know lets say CARS AND TRAINS. lets go 1 step further , if had said names of cars . Then you have me.

@kdog5003

3 жыл бұрын

What's the arabic inference word for everything you've mentioned back in 6th century Arabia

God is not a physical being, we cannot demand that he needs to speak from heavens to everyone. Yet, he did speak to Mohammed, Moses and Abraham. We cannot demand that he needs to show himself to everyone. Yet, we would be able to see him in afterlife. Is this god incapable of presenting himself to us in a form that would convince most if not all of his existence? Then why do you call him omnipotent. This god seems like a teacher who never comes to the class, but still fails everyone who didn't score well because at least they were given the books, only that failing in this case means burning in hell forever.

@elrjames7799

8 жыл бұрын

+SarcasmGoesOverMyHead How do you know that "God is not a physical being"?

@sarcasmgoesovermyhead4191

8 жыл бұрын

Elr James I don't. I was addressing the point the muslim guy in the video.

@Setep2k

8 жыл бұрын

+Elr James because there is no evidence of a physical being that has the abilities attributed to the term god.... that's how anyone with common sense knows

@elrjames7799

8 жыл бұрын

Setep2k Sure: the question was merely an an 'opening move' to test the poster's view; his answer means we don't need to bother him further.

@Setep2k

8 жыл бұрын

Elr James *mind blown*

Atheism IS a belief,believing is the truth of Humans it's impossible to be outside of belief ,people believe from the moment they wake up to the moment they go to sleep so this is a false subject!

@HueyFreeman147

Жыл бұрын

I will have to ask you to check the definition of Atheism ”disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods”. I understand your point that humans like to understand why/purpose and then created “God”. Several centuries later we have religious indoctrination and ppl still believing that is true

@user-ry2qs7xf9k

Жыл бұрын

@@HueyFreeman147 Atheism is a belief system,you simply can't deny belief it's a human reality,disbelief is belief.

@HueyFreeman147

Жыл бұрын

@@user-ry2qs7xf9k No, my friend, it's the opposite-lack of belief. You're being disingenuous-nevertheless, I think you missed the point of the video. "disbelief is belief " is a negative logical fallacy...

@user-ry2qs7xf9k

Жыл бұрын

@@HueyFreeman147 *Unfortunately,most people can't understand this simple idea.* *The thing that every Human experiences call it spirit,consciousness...is based on belief and faith,the only way to stop belief is by shutting down consciousness,people try to do this but fail.* *When your parents took you to school,were they 100% sure that you will graduate and have a job?isn't this faith.* *They trust the government,administration and teachers,isn't this faith?* *Why would someone marry a stranger,sleep next to him/her and have kids,isn't this faith?* *When you go to a restaurant,do you take the food to a lab to see whether the food contains poison or not? isn't this faith* *Why would a soldier sacrifice his life in the sake of homeland?isn't this faith?* *Everything we do is built on faith,it's so evident that people are not seeing it.*

@user-ry2qs7xf9k

Жыл бұрын

*disbelief is belief is not a fallacy simply because we can't disbelief,everytime you try to negate belief you're proving it.*

Argument reliant on Prophesy = the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy Ayyaz - "any false prophesy would disprove Islam" Member of audience - 'What about this one' Ayyaz - 'I don;t know about that one so it's not in he koran so its not a prophesy so it doesn't falsify Islam' = Black Swan fallacy in that all prophesies are true so long as he doesn't acknowledge the existence of any unfulfilled prophesied.

@khamzicrz

7 жыл бұрын

GreenDragonReprised Obviously he is talking about the authentic! (either from the Holy Quran or authentic Ahadith) prophecies of the Prophet of Islam and not about prophecies of some Chuck Noris.

@greendragonreprised6885

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah. The problem is, there's no difference between a prophesy written in some old text and a prophecy made by a drunk on a street corner if they both turn out to be false.

@khamzicrz

7 жыл бұрын

GreenDragonReprised But if the first one turns out to be right and the noris one to be wrong then it makes a huge difference :D

@greendragonreprised6885

7 жыл бұрын

Maybe, but it hasn't, so they're the same.

How about Mohammed bibi plz do not fool people

Ahmadiyyat zindabad

@red-sv2qf

2 жыл бұрын

Umm no They're misinformed.

Ayyaz's apologetic that if a "prophecy" is too specific, it's useless if it's fulfilled because it could be made to happen, is so weak, I can hardly believe Arif is staying awake. Presumably, we are talking about an event such as... the election of an half African American president in the U.S. in the first part of the 21st Century. The confluence of events that made this possible is mind boggling, especially with his middle name and following 9-11. It was unstoppable. So what good is prophecy in the first place? What about 9-11? That had a direct impact on the Muslim "conversation" and millions of lives worldwide. It was preventable and a prophecy would mean it was unstoppable. Prophecy: What connection does that have to claims of a soul, heaven, hell, angels, and as I learned recently, witches? The whole line of argument was a terrible waste of time; Ayyaz managed to keep anything else off the table by using it.

@khalisish

9 жыл бұрын

+RePlaylist1 Prophecies/Signs have clearness we can argue 0< clearness

@lmbaseball15

8 жыл бұрын

+Waseem Joolfoo and I could counter this with a devil knows a God exists. Yet still disobeys. I could know a God exists and still not worship.

@khalisish

8 жыл бұрын

Dustin Leonard True what you said above. But I am reasoning baseline from the Quran (Ahmadiyya interpretations). Here from its Quranic readings Satan/Devil does exist except as forces in man pushing him to do evil/disobey God's commandments or rebel etc. It does not exist independently going here and there doing mischief etc. Knowing that God for sure and still disobey means that you have achieved 100% certainty on Him though you may believe in His existence. Because certainty=obedience/compliance. Eg if you are sure that a bottle contains poison, then you'll certainly not drink it. Knowledge=appropriate reaction. So in general though many people claim to be believers their % compliance = % achieved certainty in God, explaining the doing of evil by believers in god as well.

@khalisish

8 жыл бұрын

Erratum: 1.Here from its Quranic readings IS THAT Satan/Devil does NOT exist except as forces in man. 2. Knowing that God for sure THAT GOD EXISTS and still disobey means that you have NOT achieved 100% certainty on Him YET

Why the atheist guy look he is about to cry cuz those who deny Allah /God Denys them also they will never find inner and out peace that’s why 🤔

@tayyabtalu3271

4 жыл бұрын

Sumayo Gele you are talking rubbish this man is an intellectual the other is a moron victim of a so-called Islam.

Pure academic stuff by two green horned I’ll informed youth esp the theist dude. Quranic prediction of Rome falling omitted by him. This is a disservice to Islam.

biggest dodge ever after her question at 1:00:50... I'm sorry but even if I was a believer I'd call that answer a total failure

(After 39:00) Ayyaz claimed that the Buddha was a prophet and claimed to be divinely commissioned? How can someone who teaches comparative religion be so ignorant? The Buddha specifically taught that there is no creator God. He also used the argument from evil to deny the existence of a benevolent creator God.

@khalisish

9 жыл бұрын

+Sam O There are 2 theories about this- one that Buddha was a theist and one that he wasn't. Ayyaz chose the first one, given that Islam preaches that all major religions was initiated by the same God but came to differ (even to the point of almost no recognition!) after their decay from their initial pristine form.... So was Buddha a prophet of God or not? Read the book (the part concerned): Revelation Rationality Knowledge and Truth to get your answer.

@samo4003

9 жыл бұрын

Waseem Joolfoo Only those ignorant of what the Buddha taught will claim that the Buddha was a theist. It is not a theory. It is a fact of the Buddha's teachings that there is no creator God and that if there is such a God, he is a monster.

@lmbaseball15

8 жыл бұрын

+Waseem Joolfoo but what if fairies respected free will and you're and the ppl creating religions are and were mistaking it as different gods?

@khalisish

8 жыл бұрын

Dustin Leonard Postulating the existence of fairies is NOT like postulating the existence of GOD/a creator. When you see smoke, you know for sure that there is fire somewhere/a source of heat somewhere. Same when you see creation(s) it's logical to postulate the existence of Creator (s). More so when the creations are of extreme beauty/high order complexity.

@samo4003

8 жыл бұрын

Waseem Joolfoo If there is a God (Creator), then he is a monster. Why? Because there are so much suffering due to natural disasters such as earthquakes and tsunamis, and from illnesses and epidemics. There are also man-made disasters such as wars. There are also sufferings caused by religiously-based evils such as terrorism by Islamic suicide bombers. If there is a God, it is more likely that he is a evil rather than good.

Ayyaz talks about prophecy in a way that makes no sense

@khamzicrz

7 жыл бұрын

Stephen Catton Well why dont you explain it in a better more senseful way.

@Fatima09021

Ай бұрын

@@khamzicrz😂😂

Embarrassing that this guy is using prophecy as his primary argument. Something will happen big! and Russia will have a hard time! and it's sometime in the future! oooo!

Why would anyone pay this Muslim to speak? HIs entire opening statement was a slew of fallacious reasoning that wouldn't earn him a passing grade in a high school level philosophy class..His claimed that we accept things on testimony, such as our Mother telling us who our father is. I have three points on this. 1) As children, we all accept the word of authority, until we reach a sufficient age to question things for our selves. 2) Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The identity of ones parents is not a great claim, so it is no surprise one might at least temporarily accept it based on testimony and based on all the corroborating evidence you find out about as you grow up....extreme similarity in appearance and other traits being just one example. 3) There are many many people who, once they reach an age to question things for themselves, will question the identity of a parent due to lack of corroborating evidence over their lifetime and some contradictory evidence. These people often investigate, require more evidence and often time find out that the claim was false.So do we accept the identity of parents on faith? Yes, but only up to a point...and when the consistency of the claim is not bearing out, then we start to ask questions. In the same way, many of us accepted a certain religious view on faith as children before we reached an age to questions things for ourselves and require more rigorous evidence when the original claim are not matching reality.

@glutinousmaximus

8 жыл бұрын

+ShowMe I think it's very important to hear what Muslims actually believe. It's quite ridiculous stuff - much the same as other religious claims perhaps, but I think we owe it to ourselves to hear it.

The lovely thing about belief with zero evidence is that can believe in anything you wish eg tooth fairies, flying Unicorns, 72 virgins awaiting in the afterlife, Angel's talking in Arabic, talking snakes etc . The lovely thing about thinking critically is being free of religious clerics mumbo jumbo and finding wonder in the natural world.

Watched all of it

(42:29) "Mirza Ghulam Ahmad ... also claimed to be a prophet of God" ... And I thought that prophet Muhammad was supposed to be the last prophet.

@khamzicrz

8 жыл бұрын

The last law bearing prophet, since all Muslim believe that Jesus will return as a prophet.

@samo4003

8 жыл бұрын

One interpretation must be right and the other must be wrong then. Why can't Allah be clear in his message so that there can only be one interpretation? Answer: It is all man-made.

@khamzicrz

8 жыл бұрын

+Sam O it is crystal clear if you read ALL his messages and not only one or like many many do: taking some words out of context. this way nothing would make sense at all. If I would pick a part of your comment it would not represent your opinion anymore. If Allah would mention every single case specifically, the Holy Quran would have million pages who nobody would read. Verses can apply to different situations, God gave us except His book, a mind to decide what is right and wrong.

@samo4003

8 жыл бұрын

Clearly it cannot be crystal clear even if you read ALL of the messages since even Muslim scholars disagree in the interpretation of various messages, let alone the many people who left the Islam after investigating it and thinking about it for themselves.

@khamzicrz

8 жыл бұрын

+Sam O well first of all you should compare how many muslims leave Islam but at the same time how many more enter Islam every single year. There are more who become muslims, than leave Islam. So why should people enter Islam after doing their investigations? If Islam would be wrong not a single person would enter it who has been atheist, christian etc before. And the second main point is: for what reason do people leave Islam? It is definitely not because they have read all teachings and disagreed with them. Most of these people wont be even able to tell what the Holy Quran says about certain things. They wont be able to tell what the prophet of God said and did. Someone who truely investigates the teachings of Islam will stick to it no matter what others say. But someone who is insecure about it and doesnt do any investigations but rather listen to for example medias etc will leave it without searching for the truth.

Anecdote, flawed analogies, appeals to subjectivism and emotion... same old, same old weak ass shit. However, I was surprised to hear significant time spent on revelation and retroactive scripture exegesis. He'd get along very well with all of the Christian Americans who so eagerly await the destruction of the world based on their own post-hoc interpretations of their magic books. Terrifyingly saddening.

YAWN! BORING...

A waste of time

neckbeard :p

13:55 ummmm wo dooooo buy drugs because they make us feel good...in fact most drugs are being sold, legally or illegally, because they feel so damn good. lol

@Fatima09021

Ай бұрын

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mirza ghulam ahmad is not a prophet of islam.

@Philotus1018

8 жыл бұрын

+Arif Power Did Mohammed (PBUH) prophesy that he would be the last prophet?

@arifazizcoach

8 жыл бұрын

There will be no prophet after muhammad saw. Even prophet jesus will appear again and become his ummah and not a prophet.

@Philotus1018

8 жыл бұрын

So if there were to be another prophet that would falsify the prophecy, no?

@glutinousmaximus

8 жыл бұрын

+Arif Power No Arif - He is an _Atheist._ Apart from the fact that any self-professed 'prophet' is a liar and a schemer, We only want to hear truth here.

How about Mohammed bibi plz do not fool people

@khamzicrz

7 жыл бұрын

s ayubi What is about that? The prophecy has been fulfilled