A Higgs Boson is denied entry to a church. It said, “but without me, you can’t have mass!”

@cjo2012

2 жыл бұрын

Rim shot.....bada-boom. ;)

@carliejung8408

2 жыл бұрын

🤣

@null.och.nix7743

2 жыл бұрын

word ! ;b

@16nowhereman

2 жыл бұрын

To me, it doesn't matter!

@AghoraNath

2 жыл бұрын

It's theory, and size breaks down compared to energy.

This is what humanity should be doing, talking respectfully to each other with love and decency, exchanging ideas and exploring the meaning of existence. It's the very lifeblood of progress.

@reallyidrathernot.134

11 ай бұрын

so if someone, from a group being killed, was saying "we are being killed" would you say they were doing the wrong thing?

@ndenman420

8 ай бұрын

Define progress? Where are we standing now? Where are we going? How do we handle radical difference in the meaning of existence?

@flyingtoaster1427

5 ай бұрын

oh! you mean like pre-Uncle Ronnie times and a bit before the emergence of this current Republican Party.. (that includes Democrats too) ... it still drools no matter what it looks like.

@flyingtoaster1427

5 ай бұрын

progress from what and to what?

@paulembleton1733

4 ай бұрын

My gut disagrees.

Buddhism is empirical science. I born and brought up in a Buddhist family and I am an atheist. Both goes hand in hand. There is no compulsion to accept or deny any sort of theories/ Dogma that are existed.Buddha himself said and bluntly quote that,” don’t believe anything because it is written in a auspicious book or said by someone revered or even said by me, if is isn’t confirmed by evidence “. I think that’s one of the most scientific thing that anyone could say.

My husband is a SCD Material Scientist. I am a sociologist, Art Historian, Poet, and Teacher. Our world views are almost opposite. We watched this wonderful video together. Enjoyed the many truths as well as the humor evident. Thank you!!!

@vhawk1951kl

6 ай бұрын

Anyone that calls themselves a poet you can be certain is a pretentious self-deceiver.Real poets *never* call themselves poets.Apropos sociology, in universities where hard subjects are taught there is often have a sign above the lavatory paper reading:Sociology agrees please take one.

@reddillon8425

5 ай бұрын

@@vhawk1951kl Every great poet has referred to themselves as a poet. Because they're poets. Also, you dropped out of community college.

@barryrempp1261

2 ай бұрын

​@@vhawk1951kl spontaneous belittlement of a total stranger. I'm trying to grasp the contribution this makes to the dialog introduced in this video presentation. gfy

@vhawk1951kl

2 ай бұрын

@@barryrempp1261 Balls, it's a fake a putup job by two lying mutual masturbaters Rehearsed questions and rehearsed answers - a classic example of mutual masturbation; the the whole thing is a con. *And-you-know- it*It is fake from beginning to end (and -you-know-that* *for-a-certainty* also, so don't bother to lie.

@vhawk1951kl

2 ай бұрын

​@@barryrempp1261 It is not any* kind of genuine dialogue, it is a put-up job p-r-e-t-e-n-d-i-n-g* to be a dialogue to deceive- A bit of mutual masturbation *pretending* to be a dialogue - I't's an act and you know it - pure fakery which I call lying because it *is* lying, something pretending to be what it is not, and you know that too because you have a special organ called with_knowledge or a sense of truth of which you may or may not, be aware. Those two mutual-masturbators are no more PhDs than you are, however, whatever is supposed imagined fantasied or racked up to be omnipotent omniscient and omnipresent- Call that what you will is as fond of lying conmen and mutual masturbaters as it is of Nazis murderers whores thieves robbers rapist idolaters concentration camps unborn baby slaughtering shops, sewerites or queers, rapist murderers and the deliberately cruel so it is hardly likely to balk at a couple of lying mutual masturbaters setting out to trick you poor stupefied credulous Elsies, because *Everything* --Absolutely_Everything* with *No* exceptions whatsoever that either is/exists or occurs, happens, takes place or can be experienced is the wish want will or fancy or suits the purposes of whatever is, superposed to be omnipotent omniscient and omnipresent., *Or* it is not not omnipotent omniscient and omnipresent. Now what do you call *that* thing? Since that thing clearly takes no exception to liars frauds misery sorrow agony and or those that appear to cause or induce those thigs , far be it fro me to criticise a couple of mutually masturbating conmen tyinfg to con half-witted Elsies that mistakenly suppose themselves to be what re called Christians, mistakenly because there are no Christians because dreaming machines simply *cannot* *Live the preceps of one Josh Bar-Joseph aka jesus christ whose teachings have *Fcuk_Nothing* to do with any thing in the Jew-book or a chapter therein called Genesis which actually*means make-it-up-as-you-go-along in Aramaic or in n babytalk Noachian floods have fcuk_nothing to do with christianity the founder of which strictly *forbade*his pupils from*believing* *Any thing , pointing out to them that one of their weaknesses was their predisposition to passive mechanical acceptance without question known as belief which is the *Exact_Opposite of Faith which has Nothing_Whatsoever to do with faith because belief is *passive* while faith must be active and impartial because it is one of the functions of reason(the capacity to apprehend what-i-and-cannot-be-different). There are vast amounts of records of the teaching of the master known as Jesus Christ which are mostly kept secret and only shown to initiates because thathat tradition which has been extinct for thousands of years was an esoteric or secret/private tradition mostly based on Egyptian traditions, old Josh having been taught by Egyptian priests. Who knows why early conmen tacked what little they could discover of his teaching onto the Jewbook which has *Absolutely_Nothing* to do with his teaching/method/way, and of course he never once in his entire life used the word god for reasons which can be found set out in the more recondite sources. Hd you sked him whether or not he supposed there to have been a noachian flood he would have shrugged his shoulders and said don't know, don't care, there are floods of various definitions all over the place from time to time and the one thing he *definitely would have said is never ever ever * believe* anything pasively mechanically-certain don't fall for that con act put on by those two lying mutual masturbators. The contrived dialogue is an old forensic trick. Anyone who says there was or that he believes there was a Noachian flood is *L-y-i-n-n-g*to you. the writers of genesis are referring to a folk memory of the creation of the Mediterranean when - at the end of an ice age , of which there have been several, the atlantic overtopped the barrier between it and what is no the Mediterranean which may have been dry land at one time, and *that* would have ben " the world" of those living there at time. The Noah tale is simply a crib or copy of the kummerian epic of Gilgamesh- is thus not original. Your " world is pretty tiny too is it not? " world " is a weasel word - a specues of blaub which can mean almost anything. The " world" of English barristers is the Inns of court in an about the temple in the city of London and it is the rather small world of those in that professionfrom which you Elsies that are cut off if not specifically excluded for the world of law is a mystery to you just as most Elsies suppose books and writing to be a sort of magic - You are like children to we your betters whom you were bred to serve. Would you agree with me that anyone callinh himself doctor that *does not* have a PhD from an accredited or proper university is a liar? You do not have a degree or any kind of higher learning, do you?Mind you these days PhDs are a dime a dozen and worthless and in kinder land - America you can buy them. not one single genuine phd from s reputable university-*not*Makeitupasyougoalong University of Ahitkicker Tennessee, will tell you that there is no evidence whatsoever if any kind of Nochian or Gilgameshian flood anywhere and the will all tell you that the two lying mutual mastUrbaters stare *L-y-i-n-**-g-*- or being wholly disingenuously selective- which is lying by any other name. Intellectual dishonesty is *still* dishonesty. "World can men anything-you please and different -things-to-different-people, and that is the trick of lying, keep your lies as generalised and-nebulous as possible and *above_all* avoid specifics. use your brains Elsie; the omnipotent omniscient and omnipresent does not, nor does it *need* to fcuk about with rain particularly when it is perfectly at ease with concentration camps slavery(to which I take no particular objection) and the slaughter of the unborn on s scale which makes the holocaust amateur or positively benevolentand can bring about an entire solsr system merely on a whim or because it said to itself 'fcuk me it's a bit dark what I need is a bit of nuclear fusion- Oops no, since I am omnipotent omniscient and omnipresent, there is no need for that shit. if it exists occurs happens or can be experienced, By_defintion I *am* it, right down to lying mutual masturbators trying to con Elsies that imagine they are Christians - which is of course impossible.

"Spiritual awakening doesn't require a new experience,its simply seeing clearly whats already happening"

@michaelwalker4961

4 жыл бұрын

Define clearly?

@TiburonFilms

4 жыл бұрын

Until Jesus shows up and changes your paradigm.

@bce1279

4 жыл бұрын

You have new experiences everyday, you dont live someone elses life. Hence spiritual enlightenment. Everyone has there own life path.

@kungadodhenx4038

3 жыл бұрын

But how do you know ,, what's already happening because you will be seeing it as a filter by the influence mind of various circumstances ,,

@robertjsmith

3 жыл бұрын

@@kungadodhenx4038 imagine reality with-out any ideas,words ,thoughts,or concepts. What reason would there be to believe that you are anything other than what you are aware of.? What evidence is there that there is anything other than what you are aware of?

How can people hate social media when you have debates like these for free 😭 It's basically what we use it for 🤷🏻‍♂️

@tonyrandall3146

2 жыл бұрын

Er what you might use it for.. *Vietname flashbacks of 1000000 Kardashianeque narcissists*

@mochiebellina8190

2 жыл бұрын

Great but cant debate merits of c0^id responses, origin or therapy, no less the scam behind these points. All is censored or outright quashed.

@FreakMeat74

2 жыл бұрын

I wish.. Social media is mostly mass psychosis inducing marketing.

@jakjak789

Жыл бұрын

KZread is a treasure. The rest? Not so much 😅😂

@tedl7538

Жыл бұрын

Well we need to make a distinction here: A KZread video is not "social media."

The answer Alan give to Sushmitha's question is really mind blowing 🤯

amazed that i watch and listened to the whole video without skipping. what i learned.. is that .. there is hope for humanity.. after witnessing this respectful conversation between two very reverential gentlemen with diverse viewpoints. kudos to the moderator too.

@-Swamp_Donkey-

8 ай бұрын

Humanity has to get rid of the parasite on its back if we are to have any hope beyond being cattle for the “elites”.

@-Swamp_Donkey-

8 ай бұрын

Oh, and if you don’t know, “elite” is a euphemism for Jew.

@jhodapp

4 ай бұрын

I felt exactly the same way, like I just watched one of the most remarkable exchanges of 3 very kind, open-minded and thoughtful humans! There was healthy skepticism, not cynicism, and so much hope and wonder!

Once of the best parts about this is how contrarian the ideas are. Yet both gentlemen are able to have a respectful conversation without personal attacks on one another. In fact they complement each other multiple times even though they disagree. Hopefully this is the direction we can go in the future on a larger scale

@TheCjbowman

3 жыл бұрын

Such a lucid point. 👍

@nand3576

3 жыл бұрын

Argumenting without lifting a finger is a gold standard in Indian Dharmic traditions. Shankara-Charya roamed allover India and won minds of Budhists in intense arguments. That tradition is rarely found in The history of Abrahamic religions - as there no way or my way

@amberazurescale5617

3 жыл бұрын

Well, that's how discussion is meant to be done. I daresay it's probably how life should be lived. Offering contrary perspectives in order to inspire others, but without trying to convince each other or fight against each other. Considering other viewpoints without feeling attacked. Thinking about what other people feel or believe without ruling out their belief, or assuming that they mean to invalidate oneself. Not dogmatically claiming to one's own perspective to be valid for everyone. It's an idealized goal, I know, but it's one to strive for. I'm pretty sad that in today's world, people more and more seem to be unable to do that.

@GG-dx6cu

3 жыл бұрын

My gut feeling is that it remained „gentlemanly“ because Sean had fallen asleep during Alan‘s contribution

@eggspanda2475

3 жыл бұрын

@@amberazurescale5617 there is no such thing as different view points when dealing with facts. Its only when beliefs are involved that conflict arises.

The brain is most important part of the body according to the brain

@allencraig02

4 жыл бұрын

The elbow though, strongly disagrees.

@ext1013

4 жыл бұрын

you mean according to the mind.

@sarupamabhattacharjee4524

4 жыл бұрын

@@mcgee227 correlation isn't causation

@sarupamabhattacharjee4524

4 жыл бұрын

@@mcgee227 science hasn't proven it instead a school of neuroscientists proposed it . There's a lot of work happening in this field to explain the phenomenon called qualia which is if mind is a biproduct of brain then how can an objective brain experience subjective feelings.

@rishabhsinha2005

4 жыл бұрын

Haha what a way to put it!!

I believe the Buddha was really enlightened since his teachings conclusively explained for everything including those that science couldn't answer and all his teachings have not found to be wrong, bad, illogical or debunked.

@user-ub4id6ip5m

7 ай бұрын

Except for reincarnation!

@l.m.892

6 ай бұрын

@@user-ub4id6ip5m Why? Do you understand reincarnation?

@jbangz2023

6 ай бұрын

Siddharta Gautama never aske to be worshipped, but you did.

@user-hy9nh4yk3p

6 ай бұрын

We learn - sometimes in life - or the after life (Bardo) or then - in the new life. We know things - in the heart - that we have never learnt - in the mind. It awakens an interest and then we may do - some research and then - if deep enough - the learning - increases vastly - about the wonder of life etc. To learn about transmigration - is to really enhance - the potential of humanity. Or, we do not do anything - to learn about ourselves - in this regard. Fare thee well.@@user-ub4id6ip5m

@vajiraliyanage1631

5 ай бұрын

​@@user-ub4id6ip5m reincarnation still not debunked as well.. 😮

Thank you for this fascinating discourse exploring our reality through physics, the intellect, consciousness and the supernatural. Since mankind hasn’t found the answers after thousands of years of inquiry perhaps we could serve the universe better through love.

@flyingtoaster1427

5 ай бұрын

On the Island of the Tonal . .

People so often confuse the mind or the personality with consciousness. The exercise of not thinking, not behaving, not acting for a few seconds is so very insightful.

@hanhang5086

Ай бұрын

Also, being silent can be very active. Meditation is active. When increasing our ken or knowledge range, what helps is to diversify different types of intelligence. Bc each gives a different perspective of life that can be revealing. If one is tuned, one can see the issue as many truths and how limited our thinking can be. It is limited by one’s freedom of choice, we let go by our choice to believe. When we learn how illusory speech is, then we see more.

Language is completely inadequate. So open to interpretation. The experience of consciousness is entirely within an individual. I may be able to share your experience but I can never have your experience

@AndreasDelleske

3 жыл бұрын

@LINUS spot on :)

@klorenz007

3 жыл бұрын

Look into Body Mind Centering - for shared experience, not my experience or your experience but shared consciousness.

@danie7kovacs

3 жыл бұрын

Indian practices include trans-person experiences. But that's aside the point. Why do you want anyone else's experience? That is one of the beneifts of interpretive meaning. You are provided with a structure upon which you can build an understanding if you want.

@goertzpsychiatry9340

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/h2xo0Np8o7TWpdY.html

@hanshazlitt4535

2 жыл бұрын

Not for as long as we are not us.. If you and me are the same entity it is our experience

A very quick way of showing the effect of mind with matter is to say to oneself "I want to raise my arm" and raise it! Thanks for the great conversation Alan, Sean and Marcello! 🌿

Each point of view is unique and it is fantastic to share each with each other

1:19:02 I am a Buddhist (from Bangladesh) and I must say Sean Carroll is a true scientist who is so open to learn even more about reality (For the sake of Humanity) ! His last speech was amazing. However, For reference: Buddha said that even the consciousness does not have the ultimate reality, consciousness is not eternal, not constant, not lasting , therefore subject to suffering. In the Pheṇapiṇḍ-ūpama-sutta, Buddha said "Consciousness is like magician's trick in the crossroads."

@talastra

3 жыл бұрын

You're too kind. This is a social danger of Buddhism. It's good not to assume malice where stupidity suffices as an explanation, but sometimes it is anger (i.e., willful ignorance, the cascade of disasters that follows from attachment to the contemplation of sense objects).

@pierrolunar8561

3 жыл бұрын

@cesar leon Don‘t confuse your close mindedness with intelligence.

@mindyourownbusinessfatty

3 жыл бұрын

"I am a Buddhist". What is the "I AM" that thinks it's a Buddhist? By making that statement, you have proved you aren't a Buddhist, but then again, as I say, what is the "I AM" that thinks it's a Buddhist? Answer that and you will find there is no "I AM" that thinks it's a Buddhist.

@acpatel9491

3 жыл бұрын

@@eclipse369. Don‘t confuse your close mindedness with intelligence.

@David_Axelord

2 жыл бұрын

@@mindyourownbusinessfatty KATSU!

It's amazing how people can take a cordial conversation between two respectful gentlemen and turn it into a reason to start calling each other names, devaluing each other's views. Having opposing views is a chance to grow and become a much more dynamic human being. So let's try to honor this discourse and act in kind. Namaste

@weaverdreams77

6 жыл бұрын

Carey M X Thomas ditto. Proves we really do live on a planet still in kindergarten on a planetary 🌏 level!

@hartsockken

5 жыл бұрын

lew bronstein Adults are having a conversation, go sit down and be quiet

@nolongerinuse1083

5 жыл бұрын

lew bronstein There is no reason to be upset. Okay sure he may not be Nepali, nevertheless he's saying Namaste as a way to greet others and welcome them into a conversation with peace and respect. It's like slang for a person is "dude" or "bro"

@alangarland8571

5 жыл бұрын

Not really, just average claptrap

@Pixelkip

5 жыл бұрын

lew bronstein LoL where are you from. Looks like the west

Meditation, in my experience calms your mind and body, causing me to relax and achieve the best whole body relaxation - which in turn heals the mind and body. Thanks for the presentation.

Indeed, these interdisciplinary exchanges are vital to humanity beginning to better understand ourselves, each other and our place in the universe. I truly felt these erudite individuals conducted a challenging discourse and debate with mutual respect and some good humor. And now I am fascinated with the idea of studying states of consciousness with careful scientific rigor. Thank you. ☯️

What an absolutely fantastic discussion between two powerhouses in their respective fields. Both, super intelligent, open minded and light-hearted.

@gplionk1

3 жыл бұрын

One is a powerhouse, the other is an insecure dote.

@gplionk1

3 жыл бұрын

@Michael Terrell II the Buddhist demonstrates more openness, mental flexibility and recognition that his belief is a belief. The other guy insists that he knows, that he has facts, despite the evidence that neither one can really know. The "facts" aren't conclusive in either direction. I get a feeling of rigidity and insecurity, and that doesn't read as strength, whereas the Buddhist is asking questions, addressing doubts and speaking to the human questions of existence. That's authentic engaging. I'll take a pass on the guy who responds like a robot and is too insecure to entertain the possibility that there are things he doesn't know and can't know based on current knowledge. Meh! They're operating in two very different levels, and one of them is flat-out obnoxious in his arrogance.

@aidenmurphy9924

3 жыл бұрын

@@gplionk1 Uhh the Buddhist monk forgets the unanswerable questions of buddha? "The Sabbasava Sutta (Majjhima Nikaya 2[4]) also mentions 16 questions which are seen as "unwise reflection" and lead to attachment to views relating to a self. What am I? How am I? Am I? Am I not? Did I exist in the past? Did I not exist in the past? What was I in the past? How was I in the past? Having been what, did I become what in the past? Shall I exist in future? Shall I not exist in future? What shall I be in future? How shall I be in future? Having been what, shall I become what in future? Whence came this person? Whither will he go?" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_unanswered_questions The buddha warned against trying to "find where the mind interfaces with the brain". This Buddhist monk has a bit too much ego to be a real Buddhist. Also, this conversation was supposed to be about the "nature of reality". And the buddhist instead attacks "colonial white" science for not having a good enough measurement for the human condition? I'm with Carroll. That's a bit ego-centric

@gplionk1

3 жыл бұрын

@@mariociani4918 based on my first impression, I wouldn't care to listen a second time.

@gplionk1

3 жыл бұрын

@@aidenmurphy9924 good thing is not a debate about buddhism, but about consciousness. I find your whole comment irrelevant.

Those two are asked "What is the nature of reality?" Scientist: "We don't know" Buddhist: "Scientists don't know"

@deeplorable8988

3 жыл бұрын

Sean was somewhat humiliated.

@bryanguilford6145

3 жыл бұрын

@@deeplorable8988 yeah but his ego is so strong and hes happy that hes about to sell books. I wish he would take some mushrooms or something and get another perspective.

@ylegoff

3 жыл бұрын

@@deeplorable8988 Good observation.

@Milkshakman

3 жыл бұрын

Bryan Guilford I remember hearing him say he took LSD with his wife when she was writing a book about something related, but he never disclosed the dosage. I doubt it was very high.

@alpacino4857

3 жыл бұрын

Sean Carroll is famous for using words such as "the short answer is ... we don't know" when asked about Quantum Mechanics many years ago. Well at least he is honest. But time can change a person. I am not saying he is lying now.

`Alan Wallace, wish I had heard this years ago--

Absolutely fantastic about the words they "choose" to describe their points and deliver them.

I feel so lucky to have been in the room for this conversation. We need more discussions like this.

@AudioPervert1

2 жыл бұрын

All the blablablahbla aside, ask a Buddhist, why women are never to be seen, or heard or exercise power, on equal terms like Buddhist men do. Have done for 2000+ years. What a bullshit religion. Like all organised religions.

@mmccrownus2406

2 жыл бұрын

@@AudioPervert1 cuz they know women And you are a pc simp

@carnivoroussarah

2 жыл бұрын

@@AudioPervert1 What? There are many different sects and monasteries that practice Buddhism. One example is Plum Village and they have many woman speakers and leaders. Even the Buddha himself spoke of an even more enlightened form of equality: seeing a person rather than a woman. There is a great quote I'll paraphrase here: "The wise man compares himself to no one. He seeks not what others have and does not pride himself on what he has. The wise man does not see himself as greater than, lesser than, or equal to others, for he is others and others are himself. Then, how could he be equal, less, or more than anyone else?" One of the core tenants on Buddhism as a whole is interconnectedness, and this is what dissolves any notion of us being seperate, which is where the terms "equal, lesser, and better" come from.

@counterculture10

2 жыл бұрын

@@AudioPervert1 Did the Buddha ever preach about women never being seen?

@covalentbond7933

2 жыл бұрын

@@AudioPervert1 you're mixing culture with religion, it's not your fault cuz that's what religious people also do LOL

In case you missed it: It is within our power as human beings to gain insight into the nature of our own consciousness through self-observation.

@hharvv4245

2 жыл бұрын

Metacognition also indicatively accelerates evolution because obtaining the ability to understand our own consciousness is another layer of reality which happens to be the layer that perceives and unifies all others, including the biological makeup of our brains. Thus our brains begin to physically adapt to our own changes in pattern of thought overtime, because thought exists at the physical level shared at the same biological transparency.

@NameRequiredSoHere

2 жыл бұрын

"gain insight into the nature of our own consciousness through self-observation" Is that why people take so many selfies? LOL

@thehiddenyogi8557

2 жыл бұрын

Seems logical and common sense to me. But of course there are those who say that any insights you have about consciousness are delusory because science though.

@MackemChops

2 жыл бұрын

Does that mean I have no consciousness if I'm blind and deaf, and therefore can't observe myself?

@thehiddenyogi8557

2 жыл бұрын

@@MackemChops If you are blind and deaf than you have no visual or auditory consciousness. You still have mental consciousness. Of course the self is not an object of consciousness and is unknowable. The mind, however, is an umbrella term for all conscious processes which they can be reduced down to (sensory and mental) and their functions (perception and so on).... Parts of the mind can indeed observe other parts of the mind. The mental consciousness can observe what the sensory cosciousnesses observe and form opinions about appearances. When you are observing the self, what is it that you are observing? Obviously, not the self, but merely the mind. But then, what is consciousness? Can it be identified?

This was an absolutely brilliant discussion.

A both a student of science and a student of Vipassana meditation I have come to place each path to knowledge in its own domain. Science is the exploration of external reality and the modelling of this experience in language that is logically consistent and objectively verifiable. The original purpose of the teaching of Goetma before it was co-opted into a formal religion was to explain the cause and cure for the suffering of human beings based on his subjective examination of his personal consciousness. As he pointed out many times, the truth for him is not your truth. The truth that someone else tells you or that you believe is true because you revere a teacher or god is still not your truth. Only through the practice of meditation can you experience your own truth of the cessation of suffering. Science is more flexible. Most physicists have never actually done the fundamental calculations or reproduced the experiments of the giants of science in their own training. They accept these models of reality because they trust the methods used allow their truth to be regenerated. For Buddhists the only truth is the subjective experience of liberation and freedom from suffering that comes from meditating in the same way as people before you have been successful with. Buddhism is more a folk medical practice and not really an attempt to explain reality in any objective way. This ignores the suttas from the advanced Buddhist philosophies that were incorporated by Brahmin priests and later Mahayana schools long after Goetma died. The one thing that both Buddhists and Quantum Physicists do agree on is that everything is in a process of constant change. Reality in terms of eternal essences that transcend time and space can't exist.

@Chatgptpluginsreview

2 жыл бұрын

Nature only changes in form but that’s what keeps it consistent. Reality is nature and that itself is eternal and it’s true essence. It also transcends time and space in how it performs in time and space. Reality is just this, dualistic and infinite. Infinite in silence though and only in silence is where nature can truly exist formless.

@jonathanwalther

Жыл бұрын

Wrong. Basis to all Buddhist practice is the trust in the teachings itself or the teacher you listen to. It's not just sitting down and training awareness, the practice is interwoven with teachings. And that's far from being 100% subjective aka. "rely only on your own experiences". The moment, you turn to (any kind of) teachings, you are not purely subjective anymore. So, this is similar to the trust of the Physics scholars trusting their scientific predecessors (as you pointed out). Furthermore, if you try to figure out everything by yourself, you are limiting your insights about reality immensely, bc then you highly underestimate the mental prowess of the last 100-200 years Science scholars. There were and are some damn smart people out there without an religious agenda. I practice Buddhist meditation myself, but if I want to more about the beginning and course of our Universe, I'd rather ask an astro physicist.

Throwing in my two cents. As a Zog Chen Buddhist for 45 years and an ardent follower of physics as well, I found the talk fascinating, erudite and enlightening with a lot of great ideas from both sides. I didn't even see them very much at odds with each other. Physics and Buddhism are two sides of the same coin and using them together is useful in understanding the nature of reality and the mind. Bravo to both of you.

@annabelboissevain8344

7 жыл бұрын

This discussion followup shows me what Allan Wallace is up against, that you can't talk to people about an experience they haven't had. You can't give a non swimmer who never was in water a book or a lecture about swimming. It sounds outlandish until you can actually get in and experience the feel of it and what it takes for us to begin to try to understand it. Studying the mind requires stepping back into it and opening to the experience of it.

@timblizzard4226

6 жыл бұрын

Steve Charney - I know this is an old post but hey, i'll throw this in. The only way you can believe that these two are not at odds is if you have not understood Sean's argument. What he is saying is that we now KNOW there is no non-material mind because we completely understand the matter that brains are made of. If quantum field theory is correct, and so far it has made some of the most accurate predictions in all of science, then things like reincarnation are simply impossible. Given that, I find it hard to see how you think these two are not at odds.

@timblizzard4226

6 жыл бұрын

Annabel Boissevain - the key difference you are missing here is that neither Sean nor Alan is not talking about subjective experience, they are talking about what is real in objective reality. Transcendent experience alone , no matter how powerful, does not constitute evidence of objective reality. Just because you experience the memory of a past life, doesn't mean you actually lived it, no matter how real that memory feels. If you believe in objective reality, then science has something to say about consciousness.

@nobodyspecial2835

6 жыл бұрын

Steve Charney Well said.

@vincentgallagher7562

5 жыл бұрын

A reductionist model postulating that the brain is a collection of particles, that these elements can be 'charted' to deny mind or consciousness is not rigorous science: that the phenomena is materialistic and deterministic. That said. There is no 'underlying' mystery. It's all there, just because it is perplexing doesn't 'mean' in its supposed absence, the lack of a functional scientific descriptor, is meaningless. It's simply unknown.

This is a DIALOGUE, nothing more. Food for the mind. So just take it as that, and enjoy. Maybe it will spark something within you, which is the ultimate point of this being presented for you. It's not a contest of who's right, or, who has evidence supporting the points they make.

@sberu9528

7 жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more...... BUT this is KZread and us humans being what we are, we will protect the reality we perceive as if our lives depended on it. 1st rule, All things perceive their own reality. 2nd, reality is greater than the sum of it's parts. 3rd, the only source of knowledge is experience. I could go on but wars are fought over definitions of reality. We even murder each other defending our realities. So while you are correct, I counsel wisdom and understanding as the solution not correct behavior

@squamish4244

6 жыл бұрын

People's belief systems are at threat here. The three things you aren't supposed to discuss in polite company are sex, politics and religion - but especially religion. The first one irritates people, the second pisses them off, the third drives them batshit crazy.

@stephaniejade7056

6 жыл бұрын

valar: LOL!!!

@tjahyotamtomo7189

5 жыл бұрын

right!

@Oohsuger

5 жыл бұрын

Dark matter is imagination juice

They all make very good points and all have aspects of truth in what they had to say. I'm excited to see what the world of science proves to be in the future.

@noonespecial4171

Жыл бұрын

Science is pseudo religion, a bunch of humans dictating reality based upon perception. Whereas the Dharma is here and now and no human can change it.

@scooby7877

Жыл бұрын

Its simple, just like Allan Wallace said thats what everyones missing. Even with science expanding every year and there being breakthroughs; theres always some sort of missing puzzle to the piece and that is people are not studying the mind. Without this, science in itself will not give you a fundamental answer to this question.

@abramrexjoaquin7513

Жыл бұрын

Consciousness in its Utilitarian form is a string of recorded subjective experience of a living being that evolved to form the ability to record said experience. Not only to react but to participate in the timing of its environment. Consciousness is Memories. Memories came from evolution. And this is the same reason why writing and reading became the paradigm shift of our global civilization because memory can be passed down through generations w.o exhaustive life cycles. From that evolution you can repose that Consciousness is a constant for Life evolution. But it is not central to what the universe is. The highest form of consciousness in the universe will be that of the indigenous Americans doing bushfires to clear forest floors of dead leaves. Keeping the pristine condition of the universe while being unnoticeable in its grandest schemes. I would also like to add in an individual levels that when someone is UNCONSCIOUS. The body is alive yet it is not recording the experience of its current environment. Which is why for anyone who wants to use the mystery of consciousness to be the last bastion of "life after death"... They perhaps not have seen someone who has Alzheimer's. Someone's Consciousness slowly dying whilst the body continues to live. In that Utilitarian sense, thode that are conscious are often social brings, meaning that their actions in their environment will have ripple effects down the social line. Dus perhaps legacy and "life after death" and why people indigenous folks believe that even after death we live on as long as the memory of us lives on the living or has the effect of that life lived.

@aninewforest

Жыл бұрын

@Abram Rex Joaquin Excellent perspective. Thanks.

@GlazerX

Жыл бұрын

@@abramrexjoaquin7513 Really insightful. Nice!

Death is not the opposite of life, death is the opposite of birth. Before birth, during life and after death we were, we are and we will be an integral part of the Infinite Cosmic Consciousness that permeates everyone and everything ❤

Great conversation! For all who want to experience what Allan is talking about - try Vipassana meditation. There should be a center nearby you and they teach you for free and in the same way that the Buddha taught 2500 years ago.

@philippeforest8347

3 жыл бұрын

Well I can say that clearly you don't meditate lol

@owfan4134

2 жыл бұрын

@@myutubechannel_nr1 this actually perfectly summarizes the fundamental difference... it's a matter of levels of awareness. you can tell if someone works out because their physiology reflects it, very clearly. how can you tell if someone is lying? what if someone is on the verge of having an epilepsy flare up or if they're about to break down into tears if you say something triggering? each of these involve different observable patterns present in an individual that, if you can pick up on and know what they mean, lead you to certain conclusions/hypotheses.

@christianstordahl8688

2 жыл бұрын

@@myutubechannel_nr1 Only one who does not meditate, cannot tell if others meditate or not.

This was incredible. Thank you for uploading this!

I enjoyed this video, Thank you both and Marcelo for mediating. We are inquisitive beings, we are searching for truth and meaning, and we derive pleasure in this pursuit which serves the ego, I guess. Since we are no longer just trying to feed our bodies, we are trying to feed our minds. We are limited by our expression and language of course. It seems that in this discussion we are trying to enact an unknown dimension. For argument’s sake I will use the material and immaterial world. They may coexist but one is physical as Sean studies and the other is spiritual as Alan studies. Neither are fully understood, and the immaterial world may not exist. The question of consciousness is not fully understood, and the meaning of the word is vague. The way I think about it, is that there are different levels of consciousness. When we sleep, we are not very conscious, when we awake, we are more conscious and when we awake further, we are even more conscious as the east has learned a long time ago. (I am from the west, so this is new to me). but one thing I do find since practising meditation is that meditation trains the mind to discern more quickly and thereby helps us relate in a more intelligent manner. Even though this newfound experience may lead one to a more enjoyable state of being, we must be careful not to construe its joy as evidence of the existence of an immaterial world. When I ponder the concept of death. I view it as we can no longer interact with that material or physical being because the being has transformed, but if there is an immaterial dimension associated to that being, that may be who we really are? But we should be honest with ourselves and say, “we do not know” … unless one has experienced otherwise. Then the challenge becomes, is the experience they perceived a reality or imaginary. The exploratory process may be stimulating for some, including myself. Staying grounded is paramount. Enjoy life here and now. Trying to alleviate the suffering of oneself and others is a worthwhile goal in this life. Meditation in my experience enhances one’s consciousness and hence one’s capabilities and appreciation of existence. Love and Peace to all 🙏

@carladehaas7866

2 жыл бұрын

I confess, I'm only 3/4 through the presentation, having taken a moment to read some of the comments. Still, a thought: if even the smallest particle of which we are aware contains/ has energy, might it be that energy ( immaterial) is the base/ fundamental reality, which manifests to us as the material world - with physical objects forming and losing their forms to transform back into energy? [Short version :-)]

Thank you very much for stating in the description when this conversation took place.

It's so pleasant to listen to Sean. What a combination of scientist with an enlightened thinker.

@deeplorable8988

3 жыл бұрын

Sean was somewhat humiliated.

@gustavodeoliveira702

3 жыл бұрын

@@deeplorable8988 I particulaly didn't see anyone being humiliated by anyone. Both managed to express their respective points and didn't contradict themselves. For me was just one more discussion on physicalism.

@deeplorable8988

3 жыл бұрын

@@gustavodeoliveira702 I'm talking about when he was called out for his racism towards Eastern philosophy.

@qualiacomposite

3 жыл бұрын

@@deeplorable8988 What? are you stupid? HE wasn't called out for racism against anyone. You can't be racist towards a philosophical system. He's probably skeptical of eastern mysticism ...but he's also skeptical of western mysticism.

@deeplorable8988

3 жыл бұрын

@@qualiacomposite Tell it to the guy how called him out.

Alan Wallace's talk was quite brilliant... thank you.

Wonderful! We should have more dialogues and fewer debates.

Brilliant! It is just so deeply satisfying to listen to this kind of discussions from this kind of amazing people :D

@TasteMyStinkholeAndLikeIt

2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant on one side, hubris, arrogance, ignorance, and egoism on the other.

@mihailmilev9909

Жыл бұрын

@@TasteMyStinkholeAndLikeIt I don't know who ur talking about since I haven't watched it yet, but I know from knowledge of both sides this could literally be referring to either one

@JessTarn

Жыл бұрын

@@TasteMyStinkholeAndLikeIt Most Buddhists are ironically very arrogant

@JessTarn

10 ай бұрын

@Greg LeJacques Haha, truth hurts. Damn Greg, man after my own heart. Women refuse to give up their little fantasy land world views though so It is a vain cause but at least you said it.

@JessTarn

10 ай бұрын

@Greg LeJacques It is good to trust intuition, but even the most intuitive are right at tops 80 percent of the time, the other twenty has to be adjusted for. Can't throw out too many baseless claims hoping they will stick. Sincerely, your great uncle Jesse

Great presentation and subject matter. Excellent guests and host. Thanks for sharing.

Very thought provoking with some innate understanding on both sides in a courteous discourse. Very enjoyable to see and hear....thank you for this!

Imagine having to debate Alan Wallace on the nature of reality. I hope he realizes what a blessing it is to simply be in the presence of this wish-fulfilling jewel of the west🙏🙏🙏

@vhawk1951kl

Ай бұрын

*Must* you crawl and simper?

Only 35 minutes in and Alan is now touching on the very thing I noticed Sean never touched on? Consciousness, the observer and it's affects on the material realm or the outcome thereof as a result of the observer. And this from a supposed Quantum expert none the less? Consciousness is THE thing, subject, object, question, or whatever label you want to give it, today, to try and figure out and understand just what it is, how it operates, where it comes from, etc? There was also a Proverbist called Solomon many millennial ago that said, "As a man thinks/believes in his heart so is it." Proverbs 23:7 As Alan points out, he would expect nothing less than the explanation/belief of reality from any physicist/materialist. What a shame that Sean and possibly the host haven't awaken to the level of awareness that some others have about the true nature of reality. But then, one would hope that through wonderful dialogues such as this that we can become more aware and awakened to what and who we truly are, our true nature, that which is beyond the flesh and blood or material realm. There was another well respected ancient teacher that would quote an even more ancient writing when he stated, in Matthew 13: "13 That’s why I teach the people using parables, because they think they’re looking for truth, yet because their hearts are unteachable, they never discover it. Although they will listen to me, they never fully perceive the message I speak. 14 The prophecy of Isaiah describes them perfectly: Although they listen carefully to everything I speak, they don’t understand a thing I say. They look and pretend to see, but the eyes of their hearts are closed. 15 Their minds are dull and slow to perceive, their ears are plugged and are hard of hearing, and they have deliberately shut their eyes to the truth. Otherwise they would open their eyes to see, and open their ears to hear, and open their minds to understand. Then they would turn to me and I would instantly heal them. 16 “But blissful are your eyes, for they see. Delighted are your ears, for they are open to hear all these things." At an hour and two minutes I can see the host does have ears to hear and eyes to see, while sean remains deaf and blind, sadly. If only our pride and hubris would not get in the way.

@shazamshazamshazam696

2 жыл бұрын

It is thought, thought is both a reaction and a creation of a product, all at the summon of the physical or ones own living meta verse.

@baumantsai1587

Жыл бұрын

阿們陀佛

Very nice discussion to watch. Should be an example for how to have discussion in general. Calm, open minded, humble, and yet extremely enriching and informative.

@ayarikiyo2178

3 жыл бұрын

I wish Democrats and Republicans spoke like this.

@jeffforsythe9514

2 жыл бұрын

We were all born on this planet to suffer. Now everyone is thinking, where's your proof. I have no proof but I do have a couple of hints. At all of our births, neither the mother nor the infant is laughing and likewise at our moment of death. What people today need is a new practice that shows us a way to handle our suffering with dignity and grace instead of trying to escape it. Falun Dafa, Falun Gong. May God be with you.

"If you thought that science was certain - well, that's just an error on your part." - Richard Feynman

@nik8099

3 жыл бұрын

Didn't he make some claims in which he was certain of?

@talastra

3 жыл бұрын

@@nik8099 Can't he be mistaken?

@rwjazz1299

3 жыл бұрын

he may have said that, but you are trying to twist his intention, and meaning.

@talastra

3 жыл бұрын

@@rwjazz1299 Ah, I see. He said something, so we should ignore that in favour of what you want to hear. Got it :) Thanks.

@rwjazz1299

3 жыл бұрын

@@talastra Feyman was being humble. He also said: if you think you understand quantum mechanics; then you don't understand it. Does that mean it's pointless in trying to understand it? No!

Excellent discussion. Thank you.

Thanks so much for posting.

Congratulations to the all participants in this conversation. Alan and Sean are belong the same quality of humans, respectful. honest, lovers of truth and experts in their fields. Even though I am an atheist and follower of the scientific method, seem to me that science should be open to consider the possibility that maybe Nature has some aspect that escape the scientific measurement, until now. We need more research and absolutely no dogma. Thank you for sharing such interesting conversation.

@alo5673

2 жыл бұрын

i agree with you brother. But I would argue that materialistic reductionism, and identification to any sort of method is dogma because it is an attempt to encapsulate reality, but reality cannot be encapsulated by anything. Its simply a filter of understanding. This is why consciousness is the hardest problem of science because its attempting to measure and localize it somewhere in the body. This is not possible because consciousness is not physical, and exists outside the boundaries of space and time.

@zach3305

2 жыл бұрын

"Im a follower of science but HEY maybe there is something else" ............. Lol

@FreakMeat74

2 жыл бұрын

@@zach3305 Huh? The scientific process is supposed to continually search for truths, perhaps you are confused.

@zach3305

2 жыл бұрын

@@FreakMeat74 "Even though I am an athiest and follower of the scientific method, seem to me that science should be open to consider the possibility that maybe nature has some aspect that escape the scientific measurment." Well then.....you aren't an athiest.... Lololol. Nor a follower of science.

@FreakMeat74

2 жыл бұрын

@@zach3305 So one can't identify as an atheist or user of the scientific method and yet also be open to further data/possibilities? How do you think science advances? Lol you silly guy.

As an engineer and astrophysics enthusiast I really admire Sean and I appreciate all that he has done for science but I've always had an intuitive belief that what makes us human - our consciousness, is simply something that science have not been able to explain and I don't think they ever will because just like what Alan said, you can't measure it.

@myothersoul1953

4 жыл бұрын

You can't measure because it has no affect, no influence. If it had an influence then it could be measured. "Consciousness" is a problem because it is so ill-defined. It means one thing in one context (say awareness) and something else in another (some spirit inside). That sort of fuzziness is the cause of all sort of muddled thinking.

@tkeooudom

3 жыл бұрын

@BenjaminFranklin99 Do you have any reading comprehension skills? There's a big difference between turning something on/off and measuring it.

@happyfase

2 жыл бұрын

@BenjaminFranklin99 you're confusing the inputs and outputs of consciousness with consciousness itself. It's like saying your computer is frozen when really the mouse and keyboard are unplugged. Or suggesting that the batteries of an RC drone control it's movement because the drone doesn't move when you remove the batteries.

@mattstocks4749

2 жыл бұрын

Consciousness is the fabric of reality. What is there to experience of seeing for example other than the knowing of it? What is there to the experience of hearing other than the knowing of it? Knowing or consciousness is the underlying ground of everything. Without it, nothing could exist. Or if it did - nothing would be there to know it.

@keethums

2 жыл бұрын

@@mattstocks4749 it’s the second one lol Existence exists whether any part of it ever knows it

Consciousness may become yet another branch of physics in the future. I would certainly like to know more about this topic.

@glennsimonsen8421

2 жыл бұрын

That's fantasy, Neil. Physics has no way at all to investigate consciousness.

@JessTarn

Жыл бұрын

Its a wild goose chase. Just live

@JohnGrove310

Жыл бұрын

Nothing magical of conscientious whatever. This religious chap keeps asserting mind this and mind that. Minds are made of matter, and matter is made of atoms. We don't know of any minds that exist apart of material so he is taking nonsense. It's all bunk.

@myscat

Жыл бұрын

​@JohnGrove310 I can say a complete opposite of what you said and it would be also a valid conclusion. Since everything we know is from our senses and in our minds, existence of material world can't be proven. Yes, there are some rules that our experience does follow which results in laws in physics but it doesn't change the fact that it's still within our minds. There are things that are missing and we don't or can't take into account, that's why this duality of interpretations is possible.

“Reality is that which, when you stop believing it, doesn't go away.” - Philip K. Dick

@hellboundtruck123

Ай бұрын

Consciousness is not a belief.

I am a Buddhist. I am a poet. And also a scientist who’s spent most of his life immersed in the scientific exploration of consciousness. That said, I find that my sympathies are closer to Sean’s in this discussion. Alan largely frames his perspective in terms of what we perceive as central to reality, the different perspectives we might hold as our fulcrum in trying to understand the world. That focus on centrality is why Sean’s reference to Copernicus is so salient. But what I find most fascinating about our particular universe is that through its history our cosmos has promoted a stable succession of ever more complex emergent layers of organization. Quarks and gluons gave rise to primitive nuclei. Then the plasma cooled enough for electrons to be captured, forming simple atoms. Then slight anisotropies allowed gravity to organize primordial stuff into lumps that became stars and galaxies and planets. Then some of those stars fused simple atoms into heavier, more complex ones and blew them out into space as supernovae or spectacular interstellar collisions. Then chemistry used those atoms in places like our planet to form geological systems and promote the growth of regular patterns like crystals that may, along with other emerging chemical features like lipid coacervates, have served as the precursors to make protected bubbles of even higher organization that emerged over time as autonomous cells. And then, these cells developed into communities - probably in ways and through teleological pathways that we little understand but that preceded our more familiar notion of Darwinian imperatives. And then those most primitive drives evolved to support perception and purposeful action and the earlies stages of conscious choice. Then language and persistence of thought through time and across generations (lots of steps skipped here!!) and in time reached our current stage of awareness, including introspection about the nature of introspection itself. Even with all these emergent layers, consciousness remains difficult to understand for the same reason we can’t see our own eyes. Our eyes are always occupied looking out at the world and are therefore unavailable to look directly back at themselves. This is a good analogy for why we need science, using our minds to reflect back to us what our eyes and experiences suggest but can’t directly perceive. My point is that the question about the nature of reality is less about what we prefer to put in the center of our worldview - physics, psychology, primordial/universal consciousness - ¬ than an appreciation for the exquisite choreography of stages and levels of ever more rarified and complex emergent phenomena. I love the stories our ancestors have told and preserved through the generations. Taken as a whole, they describe the ladder humanity has, and continues, to climb, towards ever greater understanding. As the late Paul Grobstein said, science isn’t ultimately about being right. It’s about being progressively less wrong. Amen (or Svāhā, if you prefer)!

@youarewhatyourelookingfor4496

2 жыл бұрын

Buddhism is technically a science of the mind is it not? Love your comments too!! Very interesting

@timetoreason7090

2 жыл бұрын

Wonderful reading your lengthy comment. I am a novice to Buddha Dhamma coming from Evangelical Christian tradition. Metta to all sentient beings [that drew me into Buddhism]

@stuartgreene5010

2 жыл бұрын

​@@timetoreason7090 Hi there. I'm glad you liked my comment. I actually love the original Christian teachings. From the perspective of our lived human experience, putting the primacy of love in the center, holding a spiritual imperative to find compassion and connection in even the most unlikely places, is a pretty great teaching. I think if I had been alive in the age of early Christianity I would probably have been a follower. But the gospels took the story of a man, living a wise man's life and making a great soul's sacrifice in order to demonstrate the transcendent power of love ("Father...forgive them" etc.) and turned it into a Marvel superhero comic with ever more outlandish sci-fi embellishments. That, for me, is the worm in the apple that over the centuries transformed a simple and beautiful teaching about universal love and turned it into a kind of Disneyland commercial operation - from selling indulgences in the middle ages so that reprehensible behaviors could be "erased" in the eyes of God by paying off the priests to the mega-churches of today that are nothing more than a con game played against the gullible. It's not just the crimes I hate - it's that good-hearted people looking for love and meaning in their lives are being fed a false diet and in the end are actually be cheated out of the great lessons attributed to Jesus. Sorry for the rant - I really care about this stuff. I love Buddhism because there are still teachings that retain the original notion that the Buddha was just a man, one who, like Jesus, attained a transcendent understanding of the world and attempted to teach people about it. There are certainly sects within Buddhism that fused the simplicity of the original teachings with existing religious traditions. Tibetan Buddhism, for example, is filled with God and Monsters that are nowhere in the actual teachings of the Buddha but carried over from local traditions - much like we celebrate Christmas on the 25th of December but there's no historical information that this date has anything to do with the birth of Jesus. Actually, that was the date of the Roman holiday Sol Invictus - the day associated with the sun reaching its lowest point in the sky and then beginning to climb again - the victory (Invictus) of the sun (Sol) over darkness. Anyway, science is supposed to be free of such biases and preferences - but it's not. I don't know if you're aware of Sean's dedication to the Many Worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics but he points out that it's practically taboo to study the foundations and deeper meaning of quantum theory. "Just shut up and calculate!" is the way many scientists approach the foundations of physics, but Sean - whether or not I always agree with him - is a rabble rouser, and good on him! OK - it seems I like to write a lot of words, but I hope you enjoy them. I understanding a rational person wanting to leave the evangelical world behind and I salute you - but I hope you can also retain that spiritual dedication to love and compassion so richly present in the original teachings of Jesus who, like the Buddha, Sean Carroll, and you and I, are simply good people trying to make sense of a complex world and experience both love and reason living in harmony. Peace.

@dylandutson1626

Жыл бұрын

Beautifully put! The most incredible thing about being a conscious being at this precise time in history is the cognitive access to the emergent layers of reality. Our ability, because of what we know and continue to learn, to feel a seemingly limitless sense of awe is something I am ever growing in gratitude towards.

@stuartgreene5010

Жыл бұрын

@@dylandutson1626 Thanks Dylan. I'm with your sentiments 100%. Gratitude on, brother. - Stuart

What a brilliant dialogue between these two fantastic men! Sean is an excellent/ impeccable speaker and Alan is captivating! I am so happy so have seen this video! I will be watching it again and again

@OscarWrightZenTANGO

2 жыл бұрын

Sean is horriblle ! conscious of being a public personality..selling

@miguelnewmexico8641

2 жыл бұрын

@@OscarWrightZenTANGO grow up.

Beautiful! Thank you!

Just a wonderful discussion.

First off, thanks to both of these guys for keeping this a formal dialogue and respecting each other's differences. That should be the main focus whenever we have any types of discussions. Second, this discussion captures the 2 sides of the same coin which we call reality. There's the quantitative (what you can measure) and the qualitative (what you experience; qualia). Neither can prove their existence purely by using what can be observed in both those realms. This is the reason why I respect Sean Carroll for coming because in his mind(the quantitative mindset), if there is no physical evidence to prove your claim, then it is invalid. However, he came on to hear a new perspective so he can ponder about the questions which were presented. But the main argument that Allan Wallace presented is that all we know fundamentally is what in the mental, which is the qualitative (our consciousness). Our earliest memories are memories of our emotions to a specific occurrence. It is not a quantitative memory. These are things that we can not measure physically, at least not yet. This is the part that Western objective science has neglected and should incorporate so that there is a full description of the 2 sided coin that we call reality. I think having both these 2 types of "radical" viewpoints expresses their ideas was a great balance. We should look at the world objectively so we can remove all the invalid superstitious beliefs but we should not neglect the very perceiving force which is experiencing life on all levels of existence.

"If there's any religion that would cope with modern scientific needs it would be BUDDHISM" //Albert Einstein//

@catcat1080

8 ай бұрын

Remove this... I am a buddhist.... But check facts before you post... He never said that... It's just a fake made up thing

@Mr.unpronounceable

8 ай бұрын

@@catcat1080 Oh really did Albert Einstein told ya? Look man idc I just found it on Google and commented here I'm an agnostic atheist anyway

@catcat1080

8 ай бұрын

@@Mr.unpronounceable no...I did a fact check... Just because it's on Google doesn't mean it's true... U can go search yourself if it's true or not

Thank you very much for sharing this with us. A lot of information to work on and to think about and thanks too for the humour. I enjoyed it and I'll take few notes about this video. All of 3 are very interesting and it's good to see so much respect. Thank you very much to contribute to teach us (left university more than 40 years ago but still have the taste to learn) and for doing it this way. Namasté

If I was programming a simulation I would have put this in just to mess with myself.

@robinhood6810

4 жыл бұрын

Me2

@TheAmazingColt

3 жыл бұрын

;)

@kennethwong6452

3 жыл бұрын

Haha yes. Hiding the truth in plan sight.

@EvenTheDogAgrees

3 жыл бұрын

I would've made the buddhist the physicist's equal, by having him also speak for himself, rather than reading off a notebook.

@maythesanerain7515

3 жыл бұрын

That’s a religion I could get behind

Alan Wallace hits the nail bang on it's head: 40:30 - 45:30

@thenowchurch6419

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks. He does not mince or hold back his words. Science has overlooked Consciousness, the phenomenological reality of life

@michaelmurphree593

3 жыл бұрын

Sadly, it is only an appeal to emotion. That whole stretch is merely claiming it is unfair.

@champ10ns08

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmurphree593 I'm struggling with your claim - of which you could have a point. Could you elaborate, please?

Great Discussion. I have watched Carroll's other videos and liked them. Here Carroll's belief seems to be deeply rooted in physicalism and realism. But as Alan Wallace pointed out Quantum Physics has not yet solved the "observer effect". So, consciousness and "first-person experience of the mind" are crucial to understanding the nature of reality. Alan Wallace is very eloquent in putting forth his points. As he said, we need a lot more empirical research into the mind and consciousness from a first-person perspective. And I am glad that Carroll is open to evidence like any good scientist should be.

@Bandit19990

6 ай бұрын

@@jmc000 And the observer does not need to be conscious.

@naayou99

4 ай бұрын

this a rehash of the "god of the gap".

This is a stellar talk. These two chaps are really listening to each other. It’s almost as if they agree: two viewpoints saying that science and spirituality are the same.

@aliceinwonderland887

4 ай бұрын

Spirituality is science. Matter is derivative of consciousness. Multiplicity is only apparent in truth there is only one mind. No matter as such. Matter is 99.99999% empty space held together by virtue of the force of vibration. The mind is the matrix of all matter. We are forced to witness the ego and the universe become one, over and over again in the never ending cycle of rebirth death and destruction. I have known you since before you were in your mother belly. I sanctified thee before you came forth from the womb. I ordained you as a prophet to the nations. The lord said "Do not tell me you are a child. You will go where i command of thee and you will say the things I tell you to say." And he reached out and touched Jeremiah by the mouth and said "the words that you speak are my words." Do not fear the looks on their faces for I am right beside you and I will fight alongside you. Jeremiah 1: 5-8 The creator lives through the eye of every living being. He is getting to know himself and we are him.

20:15 Nobody's gonna talk about how Sean's ankle disobeys the laws of Physics

@paddydiddles4415

2 жыл бұрын

What are you talking about?! The other guys ankle is way more weird

@infinitenothingness

2 жыл бұрын

They both have rubber ankles. It's required for a Ph.D

@loxarloxi4958

2 жыл бұрын

bro he took off his shoe.

@nizbaaghi4163

2 жыл бұрын

Damn you, now I have to stop reading comments and go check Sean's ankle.

"Intersubjectivity" … .What a great word!

@pixyrosejes7133

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, it is.

@b.g.5869

2 жыл бұрын

You mean to say you had never heard the word "intersubjectivity" before?

@miguelnewmexico8641

2 жыл бұрын

@@b.g.5869 why are you being so judgy?

@b.g.5869

2 жыл бұрын

@@miguelnewmexico8641 I'm not being "judgy"; I was expressing astonishment that the OP had apparently never heard the word "intersubjectivity" before. You're being judgy in judging me to be judgy.

I watched and listened, instead of the news, going on FB, or checking e mail etc. interesting and thoughtful. I have some new things to consider to compliment my own reality... knowledge and spiritual understanding. The nature of reality. I certainly am not a scientist, but it made sense. I followed both men. The idea of where dreams fit in, that seemed to open a new view of a part of 'reality' that doesn't fit into the 'grip-able' scientific view. (I'll have to search the "Higgs Bozon'. I shall name drop it whenever I may.)

This was a very insightful dialogue

This was a great discussion: The chasm existing between matter and consciousness IS in fact the prime directive of material-based science itself. If it can't be measured physically then Sean has made up his MIND that it is not part of the universe. Alan points out perfectly that it is this scientific point of view which is firmly entrenched into its very own 3D physical hole of matter, space and time. It suggests that we become what we think; attaching meaning to certain thoughts over and over becomes that body-mind problem alluded to in the conversation. It doesn't take a PhD or a Doctorate to understand that consciousness precedes everything: Without consciousness there is no thought, no body, no things, no time. Every human being experiences this every time they lie down and rest in dreamless sleep. Would love to see more of this type of dialog between the scientific and philosophical in public. Although Sean wasn't prepared to begin to explore his own experience of consciousness during this talk, certainly there are many other scientists that would open to doing so: Sean needs to brush up on 21st century neuroscience, which has discovered that the heart also contains neurons, and is in fact more powerful than the brain in terms of generating electromagnetic energy. The science of body mind exists today - relevant discoveries made within the fields of epigenetics, neuroplasticity, cognitive neuroscience, endocrinology, and in the latest field of psychoneuroimmunology reveal that the mind (thought) and the body (experience) are intricately linked and intertwined. The Institute of Noetic Sciences has been around since 1975 - it is a research center and direct-experience lab whose mission for the last 45 years has been to reveal the interconnected nature of reality through scientific exploration and personal discovery. Main-stream scientists' understanding of consciousness is long overdue and must begin exploring the fundamental cause of mind, thought, emotions, the body, and everything we see and experience in our physical existence - it originates in this conscious waking 3D dream we call life on Earth.

@40551385

2 жыл бұрын

Beautiful and unfortunately too true, Sean conveniently leaves out non locality and the double split experiment which provides evidence that an intelligent observer creates reality. Therefore our most up-to date scientific thinking is that non- local consciousness creates our 3d reality we live in.

@Thundralight

2 жыл бұрын

I wish he would have asked him about so many people today they are pronounced clinically dead and brought back that describe seeing their loved one who passed on, and they all describe similar things, Also people that have been in comas say they could hear and knew everything being said and done. I think the reason they have so much trouble understanding quantum physics it because it is hitting on the supernatural, such as something being in 2 places at once or communication across vast distances. The CIA was using remote viewers to spy on the Russians and visa versa. There are documented cases of spontaneous healing. The placebo effect is well known to science, I just wish they had discussed some of these things.

I wish this had been more of a conversation. The format was rather tedious like a high school debate, each side giving their insights, but not enough one on one challenging of each other.

@fluentpiffle

5 жыл бұрын

It's propaganda for people looking for prizes and funding.. Luckily, genuine science exists.. www.spaceandmotion.com

@placerdemaio

5 жыл бұрын

Buddhism are extreme compatible with science, the most compatible actually i think.

@rick15666

2 жыл бұрын

It would have been a blood bath.

Great talks. Thank you!

What a great and respectful debate this was! Very informative and enjoyable! Thank you gentlemen!

"The greatest gains and values are farthest from being appreciated. We easily come to doubt if they exist. They are the highest reality. It is a little star dust caught, a segment of the rainbow which I have clutched." --- Henry David Thoreau

Alan Wallace should have a debate with a neuroscientist. Neuroscience deals with consciousness more than geology, astronomy or physics.

@backwardthoughts1022

8 ай бұрын

he has debated all the neuroscientists from chalmers to christof koch. the downside of that is you are dealing with 19th century physics. he prefers to debate with leading quantum physicists such as anton zeilinger.

Yes the mind-body problem is and remains (so far) UNSOLVED. Thanks Alan Wallace. And yet i also bow to DETERMINISM. All science has been able to discover (so far) is that thought, perception, or consciousness is inextricably bound to matter as we humans perceive it.

Amazing talk that will "never" get old.

It feels to me that the brain is the epiphenomena of the mind, and the wise attitude towards reality is just curiosity and agnosticism. We can know some things, but Mystery is greater.

@talastra

3 жыл бұрын

I'm sad that a lot of people will just not get how delightful and correct "the brain is the epiphenomena of the mind" is.

@talastra

3 жыл бұрын

@jdebri Indeed. And if you check, you will find that mind is prior to brain.

@Pheer777

2 жыл бұрын

That sounds similar to what Donald Hoffman says

@serverbedii

2 жыл бұрын

@@talastra Please explain your argument. This way, your remark may be meaningful.

@talastra

2 жыл бұрын

@@Pheer777 Very similar, yes. It's also what 5000 years of sadhu insight from "the east" says.

A very wise man at an advanced age told me once: “you know, at some point in my life I thought that when I grew old I was going to understand so much more; the reality is that you realize you are just as ignorant of mostly anything and everything”.

@justlikeu7659

4 жыл бұрын

You only end up more ignorant if you stop learning

@NoLefTurnUnStoned.

3 жыл бұрын

Language and Programming Channel Lovely quote! Might use it in conversation so I sound less ignorant! lol

Yes beautiful discussion. It was at very general level. I think a good opening for being open. But then again I beleive we need to go to specifics from both sides of schools and establish the truth, which is not happening these days. Because we now one school of thought should be the truth.

I am just starting to listen to this and I know I have waited my whole life to hear Allan Wallace. Will be looking for him

I used to think that the brain was the most wonderful organ in my body. Then I realized who was telling me this.

@JoelNisson

3 жыл бұрын

That is by far the funniest thing I have heard this week.

@thebatman6201

2 жыл бұрын

Mmmm... we don't know how consciousness works at all really. Whos to say you brain isn't just an antenna? A focal point by which the universe can interact with itself? Humans like to think of themselves as separate and distinct from the universe, an independent observer. But we aren't. We are a part of the universe. A thread in the very fabric of reality. We are all a part of the same thing. Whos to say that you aren't a finger, confusing itself for independent, neglecting the fact that it connects to the hand, arm, the whole?

@berka8587

2 жыл бұрын

@@thebatman6201 but that is where the question of "who are you?" comes in. If I cut off my finger, will I still be me? What describes me? This phrase is very very interesting to me: The observer and the observed can never be the same. If you can observe your thoughts... Then there must be something outside of your body that is observing the thoughts. Why is this? Well for example, have you ever seen your eye before? Quick answer is no. Youve seen pictures, reflections of your eye, but you have never observed your eye. "the observer and the observed can never be the same" makes sense now. And the thing that is observing, is our consciousness. Our body right now is proven to be a completely different body than the body we used to have over 5 years ago because our cells are all dying and being replaced. So is your physical body, you? I dont believe so atleast. Is your mind and thoughts, you? I dont believe so either. The change in our physical and mental form should in theory never affect the consciousness. To help with this thought, imagine a time that you were drunk. When you are drunk, you are aware that your mind has changed and that you are doing all kinds of sloppy things, both physically and mentally. That is your consciousness picking up that info, so that should mean that the consciousness is seperate from body and mind. And this is kind of sad to me, we do not understand what consciousness is, we just know we are conscious. Well, what happens when we die? consciousness is just energy I suppose, so there should be 3 buckets of stuff that we will categorize when we die. 1st bucket: Physical body. 2nd bucket: mind. 3rd bucket: consciousness. But if consciousness is energy then the consciousness would still exist beyond death as energy can never be destroyed, only changed. So there is a linear existence of *YOU* even beyond death. Our body and mind is a representation of our existence and it is how we have gained a title for our existence in this world. But really, I think thats it, its only a title for me to have the name that I have, the body I had, the way I am thinking, the color of my hair, the clothes I wear. Its all just experience and information collected by consciousness. So when we die, our consciousness is still there. *WE* are still there...

@kinematics4999

2 жыл бұрын

@Joe Shumo Ask the experts: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZJ1tt7KNdLisetI.html

@berka8587

2 жыл бұрын

@Joe Shumo Well, physics is not fully understiod yet, but there is an experiment called the double slit experiment where if you observe the experiment while its happening, then it will change results EVERY TIME. So there are theories that say that our awareness is changing reality just by observing. There might be a link between awareness and quantum mechanics. We dont know is the simple answer. But lets be real. If we dont fully understand anything yet, we can only assume that the possibility of a God, or a simulation, or that we dont live in an objective world is a full possibility.

One of the Buddha's first teachings was a universal teaching of Right Understanding... which is an ultimate truth that we all need...

Very good discussion & commentary by mediator.

Longed to see something like this for a while now... One of the most beautiful dialogues

This was incredible. Couple jaw drops

Wallace is the best. The speech around 31:00 has profoundly effected me right now. Im almost in tears

Love the mutual respect for each other

I think it's just me and my concussion and it's guides me Yes you explain it beautifully.

They're both honest to themselves and knowledgeable. They both deserve all the respect

@hosamfikry2924

Жыл бұрын

​@@jimbomb3318 Being impressed by the knowledge of others and feeling their honesty doesn't necessarily mean I know any any better. Maybe it means I feel respect and grateful for them for educating me about topics in their expertise. You need to relax

This reminds me of what prof. Harari onc said , “when I found out it’s not ME who has control of my mind ,while trying to meditate , I learned something NEW “!

@counterculture10

2 жыл бұрын

Enlightenment has always been about who not why--excellent comment.

@jeffforsythe9514

2 жыл бұрын

We were all born on this planet to suffer. Now everyone is thinking, where's your proof. I have no proof but I do have a couple of hints. At all of our births, neither the mother nor the infant is laughing and likewise at our moment of death. What people today need is a new practice that shows us a way to handle our suffering with dignity and grace instead of trying to escape it. Falun Dafa, Falun Gong. May God be with you.

“This is a very narrow sliver of humanity that seems to regard itself as the center of the universe”

Very good and such a civil discussion. "Enlightening"!!!

Mr. Wallace gave a superb talk.I love how he gave examples of different physicists and that we are consciousness first and foremost.

We the Universe, conciousness questioning itself

@electricmanist

3 жыл бұрын

Rather, - We the universe, consciousness EXPERIENCING itself.

@mv8908

3 жыл бұрын

I would put questioning inside experiencing

@electricmanist

3 жыл бұрын

@@mv8908 Not quite sure of the point you are trying to make, but careful research into the 'phenomenon' NDE (Near Death Experiences) on KZread, will broaden (your) understanding.

Very thought provoking discussion. One of the best I have experienced. I tend to agree with Mr. Wallace that there is an intrinsic Western bias in regards to how science sees the mind/ consciousness. What I strive to know is; what METHODS can be used to empirically begin to understand what consciousness really is. Perhaps what Alan suggests in his Tuscany Institute idea of intensive study to develop a methodology is what we are missing in trying to answer this question. We must develop better TOOLS to define all these concepts and incorporate them in our search for the truth.

@user-zc9ce6dd2v

4 ай бұрын

Wow. The yogis of Tibet are talking about their experiences, this is information we’ve never had privy to until very recently. (Long story that I’ll skip). These people have spent years meditating in isolation. They claim to remember previous lives, even back to being animals. The U of Virginia has researched reincarnation. The information they have gathered is incredible! The discussions about Near death experiences… our consciousness is not what we’ve been led to believe.

What a difference in charisma! Very fun to watch.

DO instead of Talk, Test it for yourself!!! that was powerful !

I was fairly delighted when Alan Wallace quoted Wolfgang Pauli saying: "It isn't even wrong."

@pierrolunar8561

3 жыл бұрын

@Dirk Knight Great Argument, Good points. Buddhism is a genuine path to liberation and the truth of the universe. Of course, if one is stuck in close mindedness and his conceptual mind, he/she wouldn‘t understand because he/she loves his/her ego, similar to you. :)

@SimpleAmadeus

3 жыл бұрын

@Andreaz-64 He never said that he isn't. By the way, "the ego" is not the same as "arrogance". The ego is a layer of the conscious mind, described by Freud, that deals with problem-solving within your experience of reality. It's clear that you just wanted to insult the guy, because you don't like his way of talking, but you haven't really understood what he said.

@miguelnewmexico8641

2 жыл бұрын

@@pierrolunar8561 how very ironic of you.

Very enjoyable discussion

Interesting and now allowing to delve , surrendering to the deepest parts of my inexplicable subtle connections , a greater expanded awareness , experiencing what was before.

Buddha says "Test yourself".Genius 🙏

@zellfaze

3 жыл бұрын

Only halfway through and the Kalamas Sutta is cited.

@grosbeak6130

3 жыл бұрын

There is much more to Buddhism than that. It really is a deceptive conflation here of Buddhism and some of its principles with today's Quantum theoretical physics. Both are reduced in this conversation to basically a sort of Mind candy.

@etherealsunny3103

3 жыл бұрын

Thats my favorite part !

@shantanushekharsjunerft9783

3 жыл бұрын

I thought the Pali word is “Ehipasiko”, meaning come and see (observe) for yourself.

@dougporter2356

3 жыл бұрын

King David: [Of God] Taste and see.