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What a fantastic discussion! Hoe lucky to be alive at a time we have access to this kind of media and material. I have been a long time fan of Sean Carroll, but am embarrassed to admit this is the first time I hear about Allan Wallace. Can't wait to go through his books. If anyone knows of any other discussion of that caliber (even if on unrelated topics) let me know! I am all ears!
Before i start i would just like to say, lets see if you guys have cracked the code yet or will i be disappointed yet again. 😂😂😂😂 19:17 so far he has missed the mark several times but he is kinda right about the level thing. As for spoin bending, depends on which level you are on. 24:40 yes it is made from stories, it's a lot funnier when you know how it all works. One of us is not like the others. 27:17 science hasn't even discovered the real laws of nature, they are just looking at the principles. When they look at the real laws, everything they thought was real will fall apart. 😂😂😂😂 30:39 that's being the underlying principle or reality is so wrong, it's so much more then that. Maths can in a way be used to interpret certain aspects but it will never be able to interpret all. It's all a system of possibilities and probabilities and that includes improbabilities and impossibilities. 😂😂😂
11:12 Pansexual joke ❤
sick people think they are so smart. no generation is more superstitious than ours: Evolution, big bang, global warming, gender identity, racial equivication, femminism : All belief systems based on lies and thats the definition of superstition
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the universiites are covens. this woman is so smug. arrogant. has no heart - all brain. Lucreitus would despise her because she breaks natural law
If Love has no measurable mass, does it not exist?
This scientist guy calls his opinions "facts".
It's such a great video! If you upload parts of it with titles like "The Crisis of Science" or "The Measurement Problem", it'll surely get way more views.
Isn’t it all about the chemical signals of hormones..
It's impossible to explain the Rainbow Body, a well-documented phenomenon, without recourse to a non-materialist philosophy.
Basically, B. is suggesting we use the scientific method on our own emotions and feelings, not just on the physical world. The scientific method is one of the greatest Western achivements, but we have not realized its full potential because we have not employed it to the part of our reality that is the most immediate and obvious: what we directly experience.
When Sean compared consciousness to geocentrism, it was kinda funny to me. In Buddhism, consciousness doesn't have a center, and you can notice that the deeper and deeper your meditation is. What I'm hearing is a big gap between a view that science should only study phenomena via external observation, and a view that science should also study phenomena and derive conclusions via direct observation and studying the observation itself through itself
As far as reality is concerned any theory is as good as any another theory.
What you believed it dictates your reality
Alan Wallace is a gem
What a great and respectful debate this was! Very informative and enjoyable! Thank you gentlemen!
Great conversation! Have just recently also published an interview with Professor Matthew Kleban "The Universe Unfolded: Inflation and the Question of the Multiverse,". Would love it if you could help promote that too. Have linked to your video in the description as well. Thanks so much for any help. kzread.info/dash/bejne/h5552NmjpLPTprw.htmlsi=8bkOIkQWJMJL8SyM
The time constraints don't lend well to this format. More than ½ the time was spent on the speakers restating what people interested in this topic have long known without giving them much time to talk through the sticking points. Thesis-antithesis→synthesis only works when there's time allotted for the back & forth at the interface.
in east we say we are God, nothing more nor less than him/her/other since when you let everything go including fear of existence you will be that, only problem that east lost the tradition of Buddha due to caste system of Hindu or due to violence of hindus on buddhist monks for being scientific like most scientist of west by christanity
Strange to watch Alan Wallace invoke the mathematical universe hypothesis and then proceed to demonstrate a complete misunderstanding of the hypothesis when he brings up the fine-tuning argument
Methinks AI has digested and processed this information, and has some answers to our questions of survival, in light of all things considered.
My conscious mind is fighting with my unconscious mind
Cosmos is a dream of mind . No created by matters .
@1:07:30 the omniscience observation is important, scientists regularly speak in a way that requires omniscience to know, demonstrating how few scientists (and the overall culture) have serious depth in epistemology, modal logic, etc.
Sean Carrol is an extreme sufferer of Maya 😂😂😂😂😂
I think the original sutras of Siddhartha Gautama are closer to Sean's side than all the religiosity and sutras, not written by Siddhartha's followers, that followed long after the "Buddha" died and continues to this day. Of course the philosopher resorts to insults about being a robot...and the scientific minded presenter remain humble in front of all we don't know yet.
The heartbeat mammal thing - not true when it comes to bats.
Only 600 odd people in the whole world viewed such an interesting and well presented lecture 😮😢
In Kairos God makes himself possible to man in the Incarnation, the birth of Jesus. God steps into a personal relationship with God and choose Kairos (God's time) or Chronus (flow of time). All time present, past and future lives in the Now with God. God is omniscent because God lives in forgiveness that spands all chronus the simple time flow that ends in death. In Kaison death is Resurrection of Christ and resurrection of man to a new life with God in Heaven. Gravity keeps us footed on earth instead of bouncing around as mindless molecules. I love this way of contemplating time. Remember, God creating the earth, animals, man by breating into the world so that life became possible. Without God science would not be possible for there would be no man. There would have not been the crudest amoeba to evolve from. All of creation is a plan in Kairos. We all live in chronus, but we live in God.
There is a man, Jason Padgett, who suffered brain trauma in an attack at a bar. Before this attack his knowledge of math had been at the per-algebra level, after the attack he became something of a math prodigy That seems to support the idea that math is a fundamental quality of existence, and therefore, so is consciousness.
(She is ridiculous .)
I shut this off because Sean Carroll is completely representative of the reason physicists are being seen for the useless know-it-all. They have given us a great many wonderful theories and proofs and forgotten that they DO NOT know everything about ANYTHING. FFS deflate and accept your ignorance. It's ok. You are ok. Even though you do not know everything NO ONE ELSE DOES EITHER. At least find the humility to consider this idea that so many throughout history have known as the FIRST STEP to true wisdom. You are very knowledgeable but you can't even see wisdom from where you are.
Thanks so much Roshi. 🙏🏻
The chrystal stones, have they consciuosness? What makes them grow to be structures, mathematics?
the double slit experiment....
There is no known mechanism by which something called "free will" can happen.
How would you know if the thoughts that you are getting from the amala consciousness (universal consciousness) are really thoughts from your former life and not thoughts from someone else?
10 minutes in and Sean has made at least two major logical fallacies. Is that the best you've 'got', Sean?
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I just can’t get that image of the Dalai Lama forcing that kid to kiss him on the lips. He’s not holy neither does he possess any real wisdom. Not hurting others is real altruism and wisdom.
Alan's position is much weaker than Sean's but Alan is a better debater than Sean
The oration here is beautifully woven rarely found these days. Such a delightfully skillful presentation, and very well formulated, organized and fun writing. Disagree with a lot of the premise because there are conceptually enforced dichotomies when it's language that's flawed in this case, considering semantics, trying to shoehorn the abstraction of pantheism into a prong of a subset of the same abstraction. It kind of makes the entire premise subject to itself. Nevertheless it's still fun to think on and discuss, and sociologically it has profound implications due to the ways people respond to interpretations and groups and libs etc make mysticism all the more real by manifesting said mysticism in action.
There is NO Grand unification theory. Sean knows this and yet to say physicists knows every partical is absurd. String theory and m-theory is what comes closes to explaining the structure of reality . Theory clearly states that our 4 dimensional universe is one of the universe in a 11 to 21 dimensions super structure. 10 dimensional being are gods by definition in our universe. Alan should have opened with Kalama Sutta and explaining it's meaning.
Sean keeps setting off my iPhone.
This sucked so much, mostly because of the Buddhist. The consistent straw manning using Sean as a scapegoat for all of the western philosophy when Sean said he’s open to these ideas and that he doesn’t know how everything works but is always wanting to learn. At the very least someone said “I don’t know” in this discussion. The quote sniping from physicists about what they think about philosophical questions is the most fallacious appeal to authority there is. Scientists have had a terrible reputation in the philosophy world because of their false authority on the subject. Sean has pointed this out when comparing his colleagues that work in the philosophy and physics department. Instead of the Buddhist saying how much of a head start the east had compared to the west, why not give an answer to any of the questions Sean asked? These should be easy, in fact, I’d wage he doesn’t have any rebuttal nor proof. Just solve consciousness bro since it’s been studied for 2,500 years.
it's not true that buddhism is just "the scientific method" and empiricism. The Buddha actually had a classification of how he would answer which questions, some of them not at all (such as the question of "is there a self"), because pondering the question would lead away from enlightenment and happiness. He told his followers not to participate in the religious debates which were a common cultural phenomenon of the time in part because they wouldn't be able to impose these rules. This guy strikes me as a bit of an orientalist hack.
the answer to the question around 1:06:00 was appallingly bad. Instead of giving an answer as to what discoveries have been made through the subjective study of the mind (since it's supposed to beggar belief that "we WHITE PEOPLE haven't learned anything from ASIA in the past 5000 years"--we did, but they were discovered through the ordinary objective method, such as gunpowder and alcohol distillation), he just begs the question again, and says he "knows people in tibet" who have deep insights on consciousness. The fact that he connects the idea "I'm not here to get you to believe buddhist doctrine" to his refusal to give an answer gives me the impression those insights are heavily infused with the precepts of buddhism.
A very quick way of showing the effect of mind with matter is to say to oneself "I want to raise my arm" and raise it! Thanks for the great conversation Alan, Sean and Marcello! 🌿
Evan Thomson should be in such debates
I wonder if the design of the first wheel by man was any less than the design of a rocket engine today. If we sum up wonders performed by science today, the share Muslim civilization in these successes would be much haviour .Why the west doesn't acknowledge it.
Sir you forget to acknowledge a sentence (Iqra be isme rabb) AlQuran,it was said at a time when thinking and inquiry in the so called white world was a crime punishable by burning the culprit.Wasnt it the beginning of renaissance.