I'm pleasantly surprised that the atheist acknowledged that Quranic argument is irrefutable on the existence of God and accepts that God does Exists

@MathewSteeleAtheology

6 ай бұрын

Irrefutable, hardly. 1) Causation is an argument that requires time to be coherent and time is only one of the nine dimensions. Time and space are four dimensions. Even if time and space began completely at the singularity 13.7 billion years ago, that still leaves at least five other dimensions, and as astrophysics currently shows, a quantum field and potentially gravity exists outside of space and time. 2) It hasn't been shown conclusively by anyone anywhere that anything can exist wholly independently of the cosmos, much less an immaterial mind, when every mind that we have evidence for requires a brain. 3) Even if there is a cause, that doesn't make it a named deity who is currently worshipped. If Islam were just about causation, it wouldn't be Allah. If Christianity were just about causation, it wouldn't be Jesus. If Judaism were just about causation, it wouldn't be Yahweh.

@TariqMahmood-qs5wx

6 ай бұрын

@@MathewSteeleAtheology So you are postulating that 2 of these 9 dimensions began at the beginning of the universe, but the other 7 or 5 haven't? I would really love to see the science that proves this. Also, if you're referring to string theory, I would like to see the paper which says that the extra dimensions (which they believe to be smaller) are somehow not-created. I would like to see where astrophyics shows that quantum fields exist outside of space and time. If it's just populations, then you are replacing one so-called "assertion" with another. Furthermore, the intelligent design of the universe must necessitate an mind beyond the cosmos. This is, of course, not conclusive proof of God, but when did we say it was? The speaker in the video made abundantly clear that these are logical proofs that God "Should Exist". Islam is not just about causation, it's about the Holy Qur'an as the speaker says.

@user-pc9bd9cf2o

6 ай бұрын

@@MathewSteeleAtheology as a physicist first point is completely dumb and you have no idea what you are talking about.

@zaryabfarooq4432

5 ай бұрын

@@MathewSteeleAtheology You said: "It hasn't been shown conclusively by anyone anywhere that anything can exist wholly independently of the cosmos, much less an immaterial mind, when every mind that we have evidence for requires a brain". This is an erronous claim. As the Muslim in the video stated, the burden of proof is to show: "the rule of thumb across every single discipline of science across the entire world of rationality and logic is that a thing cannot cause itself necessarily you need something outside of the thing caused to cause it time cannot cause itself space cannot cause itself materials cannot cause themselves matter cannot cause itself energy cannot cause itself you need something that is extremely powerful outside of energy outside of time therefore Timeless outside of matter therefore immaterial to cause it"

@valentino3228

5 ай бұрын

The only thing is that according to several schoolars, the Quran is based on greek legends, apocryphal christian texts and the torah.

This was some very constructive and productive discussion about the existence of God! Really liked the way he presented the arguments in the most kind and eloquent manner.

Alhamduilah! This is why Tahrik-e-Jadid is needed! I reverted before Jummah prayer at the Baitun-Nur Mosque here in Calgary Alberta Canada (the biggest mosque in Canada, we are followers of true Islam) 17 November 2023. I’m a former Catholic, and it was Surah Al-Baqarah that opened my eyes. I love this video, it respectfully and beautifully represents the truth and brings it out to the public in a beautiful way! May Allah bless you for your hard work! On a side note, Inshallah think the Jewish woman listening is close to making Shahada.

@rehan3600

6 ай бұрын

Love you, my brother. Jazakallah for sharing your story and your insights. And I agree, this video is extremely compelling.

@foodiez

5 ай бұрын

Welcome to the community. May Allah strengthen your heart and bless you. And yes, Tahrik-e Jadid is the biggest and most worthwhile spiritual investment.

Heartwarming to see the young people in the beginning who were so joyous at the mention of God on their campus. Great video!

A fantastic, thought-provoking conversation.

@pinkiethesniper6630

5 ай бұрын

to the lesser educated/unprepared people perhaps.

Incredible conversation. Needs to happen more at university campuses.

I really love this video. There is no argument or debate. It’s just a nice conversation.

Oh my God, what an amazing answer to all the dude's questions, such beautifully and Respectfully answered

Genius effort by. Review of Religions .You can change minds with constant efferts.God bless the whole team

I love it how we talk like without fighting over things and we are actually talking and with a desire to know both Sides .

Hoping to see more videos like this InshAllah 🙌🏾 And I love how respectful this was!

Muhammed pbuh was the last and final messenger of ALLAH SWT. He pbuh is the seal of the prophets as recorded by scripture.

Im glad I found this through Instagram. The Atheist guy was very refreshing to hear from. Like I can see his point of view as well and its fair. Very productive conversations

Very polite man I must say! May Allah guide him.

Im more impressed on how that young woman getting all the point and i think she have a very good understanding of this life works.

I really like this approach and the eloquence of the speaker. This should spread. Also I love kind dialogue

Beautiful video. Jazakallah Khair. We need more of such discussions. 🙏

How smooth a conversation can be . #Bravo_Respect

Thank you for being example of how to navigate a conversation without being unkind even in such controversial and delicate topic. Very happy to see it 🙌🙌

Awesome video! It’s great to see respectful and open dialogue. Looking forward to more vids like this

Please do some more talks like this .

5:30 - 6:30 is the best statement I have heard about seeking for truth ❤️

For the last few years I've been really set on the feeling that the onus is on atheists to prove that God doesn't exist and this video justified even more. I don't feel it's fair for the experiences of God through not just through prayer to be brushed off as fantasy or naivety or whatever. True Islam is irrefutable and is so much more than what you hear. Great video by the Existence Project team 🙏🏾

@pinkiethesniper6630

5 ай бұрын

the burden of proof traditionally lies on the one making a positive claim. In the case of the existence of God, theists posit the existence of a divine being, and atheists, in the absence of conclusive evidence, may withhold belief. It's not necessarily about proving a negative but rather seeking evidence to support a positive assertion.

@SpiritualTruth1889

5 ай бұрын

@@pinkiethesniper6630 I agree, that proof is needed for certainty in God's Existence. However, I'd like to mention that the onus lies also on the atheist to demonstrate the veracity of their claim, that this universe came out of nothing. Because when atheism presents a negative statement, that "I dont believe in God", it necessarily presents a positive one which is "The universe came out of nothing, and created itself". For this we demand proof from Atheists, to mention anything at all, which could come into existence on its own. The burden of proving such a statement, lies on the atheist.

ہر طرف آواز دینا ھے ھمارا کام آج جس کی فطرت نیک ھے وہ آئے گا انجام کار Excellent approach

MashaAllah, Need more of these!

I would love to see part 2 of it. Absolutely loved it

Very good job! More of these conversations please, Jazakallah.

It was a great conversation I pray and hope that atheists sooner experience the existence of God and enjoy the life that we are enjoying as ahmadi muslims

Great questions and discussion!

What an enriching exchange-a genuinely thought-provoking and respectful conversation. Would like to see more of this!

Love this video. Looking forward to more!

This is just wonderful!!! Want longer one plsssss more opinions and more answers !!!

Such an amazing and interesting video!!

Great conversation!

loving conversations!!! Awesome to see❤

I loved the civil dialogue!

الحمد الله، What a great video, hopefully you guys make more videos like this. InshAllah

There's a book collector on this platform who have different era of Qurans and based on the commentaries, it remains unchanged.

God job, mashaallah! Very interesting dialogue, alhumdullilah. May Allahtaala reward all the participants with true light and blessings!Ameen

Wow thats a great video, this is how public preaching should be. Calm and wise interaction

Allah bless you for such a sufficient deliverance of eternal truth..we need such young intelligent youngsters❤❤❤

Guys do more of these please.

Mashallah very kind conversation. God bless to all team

I dont think I have enjoyed any other video of people talking religion and science in public standing. I wish I could like this video a million times. Mashallah, all the barakats to the speaker here. Also the camera man/woman ofc lol

4 minutes into the video and I really love the way the discussion is going and the attitude with which both parties approach it. Also the interactions from the girl are priceless

Video warmed my heart - Alhumdulillah.

Great video. Hope to see more content like this!

Loved it. Want more videos like this.❤❤

MashAllah, what an amazing interaction. Well done to Murrabi sahib and team. I always like the programmes made by review of religion. They bring the topic which are need of the time. The right content and right timing. You always find something new to learn

We need more episodes ❤❤

As I’m muslim, your content is really interesting and inspiring, it wants me to research more and more about Allah and his signs.thanks for what you are providing on the srild and I know that you are really a clever man.

Very informative and interesting ❤ video

Maa shaa Allah...deep

Very please to see you may Allah bless you , Mashaa Allah you did excellent job 👏

Lovely, polite people

Mashallah wow!!!!

Really enjoyed listening to the arguments. May Allah bless us all ameen 🙏

Aww. Hugs are cool ice breakers.

ما شاء الله Great video

Just awesome, incredible

Keep making such videos pls … enlightening

This is so wholesome

mashaallah beautiful videos brother keep going

Amazing MashAllah

Excellent conversation mashallah

❤ Excellent presentation. I hope they gifted them Quran

Beautiful

amazing video

Mashallah good ❤

Good work

Well done

Brilliant! Masha'Allah

Loved the conversation and the arguments, you start questioning though why are you "ahmediya"!

Collective knowledge is real. Prayer and (connecting or) reaching have the same root in arabic.

May Allah bless you with barakah

Whoaaa awesome!

Mashallah good

Are you a Ahmediya?

I hope they both one day read the Quran. Btw you should also share you channel with these people you talk with so that they can read the comments of the users and interact. Perhaps even get hidaya from just reading the comments. May Allah(swt) guide them to the straight path!

You are underrated

I very liked it

Are you qadiani? You are very knowledgeable and seem sincere. . . . Im trying to connect the dots

Is this girl a friend of his ? Cuz come on she's killing him 😂😂😂

-I have that meaning - what is the meaning of your life? - I'm not sure.. Like what said about the disbelievers their harts are blind not their eyes..

MashAllah love it. But...ROR needs to fund more online than physical books. It is better for saving and better spending.

@TariqMahmood-qs5wx

6 ай бұрын

Oh they have a lot of books, They've translated over 20 books of Hazrat Musleh maud (ra)

Surah Al-Jumu'ah (62:5) The parable of those who were charged with the Torah and then they failed to live up to it is that of a donkey laden with books. Even more evil is the parable of the people who gave the lie to the Signs of Allah.9 Allah does not direct such wrong-doers to the Right Way.

What you BELIEVE is not the truth. It is not more than a BELIEVE . The meaning of life is to live and be good to other people. But GOOD is a word unknown to muslims.

Who here thinks that God of Quran has debunked the precarious foundation of Atheism again?

I wish i could send you some free Quran, that you could use for dawah.

The time demands for Messiah and Mehdi, it's time to turn back towards God. The Messiah (Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahman) has come to bring us back to God.

Do people really doubt the existence of God... Seriously

CHALLENGE TO MUSLIMS. I AM AGNOSTIC. I SEE NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT AN OMNIPOTENT, OMNISCIENT, OMNIBENOVELENT EXISTS.(HEARSAY DOESNT COUNT) I SEE NO EVIDENCE FOR AN ALL WISE, ISUPREMLY INTELLIGENT GOD WHO CARES FOR HUMANITY OR INDEED THE ANIMAL CREATION. ANY MUSLIM CARE TO RESPOND.?

It's an unfalsifiable position so the question is redundant.

The one who makes the claim has the burden to prove it, this is basic law and a basic popular fallacy adhered to by any, the same argument applies in the opposite direction, if god is real prove that he exists, you can’t, it’s a clear lack of awareness and honesty to not be able to admit the same argument and the same flaw as a response simply proving a god would never change the fact that you don’t know which , but disproving god is universal

To the muslim : who created your god. And btw YOU have to proof YOUR statements. And with proof I will accept.

Just because a thing cannot cause itself doesn't mean a God must have necessarily caused it. All it means is that everything has a cause. The only evidence we have of things coming into existence is from natural causes. How do you take the logical leap from "everything must have a cause" to "God of the Quran"? Space, matter, energy could have always existed, but in different forms.

So Allah created time before time was invented 😂 do they not realise that 'before' is a temporal concept. So there would be a state before God has decided to create time. Then the next step would be the state where God has made the decision to create time, and finally the state of reality after God has created time. But this incoherent contradictory idea means time exists before God creates it. All these 'arguments' attempt to address difficult questions about reality but positing a God that's basically just special pleading all the time. God is the easy answer that in fact, doesn't really answer anything.

Even if things can't cause themselves, you still have to prove it is a god (in general) that is the cause and not something natural we haven't discovered yet. Then you would have to prove that *your* particular God is the cause. And then it would be nice if you'd identify the cause for your God, then cause for the cause of your God... and so on. Which you won't because "Oh, but my God is such a special snowflake, he alone did not needed a cause. He always existed! Because reasons." is a go-to non-answer for all apologists. Sorry my guy, but you did not come with anything new, original and not debunked yet.

@SpiritualTruth1889

5 ай бұрын

By something natura you mean an uncaused entity which is able to meticulously design and fabricate space and time out of nothing? Also, we agree that mere logical arguments won’t lead you to absolute certainty in God’s existence. That’s why the Holy Qur’an sets forth a regimen, whereby one can believe in God through witnessing and experiencing a relationship with Him, livid with fresh signs and proofs of His existence. The Holy Qur’an doesn’t leave one at the door of conjecture, but rather leads one to such a certainty, which is known as Haqqul Yaqin. This can be conceived of through the following analogy. You see fire from far away, you approach and see the fire, and then you touch the fire. The last stage, the stage of certainty of experience, is what is known as Haqqul Yaqin, which is the instruction of all believers to find. The Qur’an does not settle for anything less. Belief in God must be substantiated by experiential evidence. Next, Your own statement counters your “argument”. You can’t have a cycle of infinite regress and you unknowingly answer that point yourself. If I said X made God, you would ask who made X, then if I said Y made X who Made God, you would ask, who made Y. We would end up in a cycle that runs forever, and has no beginning, which thereby cannot exist. There needs to be an initial event, caused by something definitionally beyond what is being caused (i.e space, matter and time)

@TariqMahmood-qs5wx

5 ай бұрын

Infinite regress is a ery overplayed argument, and incredibly flawed. It cannot be a fair response, because if there was an infinite regress, then we wouldn't be created, for there would need to be an infinite number of creations before us, meaning there would always be creations that would need to be created for our creation. So we arrive at a cause which is uncaused, Who began it all. WE don't claim that this is end-all. ofGod, but rather that you can build a personal experience with Him, so that you can substantiate His existence.

You can't disprove God, but you certainly can't prove him, and Muslims do have the burden of proof.

If your god is outside of time and material, then it's outside of reality. In another words, it doesn't exist in reality.